What a match. Although Tipsa played better than Berdy throughout the match, Berdy deserved to make good his unlucky loss against Nole the other day.

The finish was amazing and it appears that Tipsa got injured making a dive for the last point so might have to pull out. Time for Almagro to start packing his bags.

That was amazing, to the wire. Sorry to see Tipsarovic break down at the last and hope he`s not injured. A lot of unforced errors from Berdych, Tipsarevic moving behind the baseline second set let Berdych into the match and he used his backhand to get Tipsarevic on the move. Tipsarevic the better player throughout though.

The WTF becomes the What The F**k tournament
which turns into the WWF - the Walking Wounded Final
and the title is known as the LSM - the Last Man Standing.

Crazy. Will we see Nico vs Nole?

Finally Berdych is able to win a tie break and a match here, not with nerves though. Hopefully he can do better in his next match.

So Tipsy also injured? Almagro next in line and will have to play Nole, what luck.

The whole set up of the WTF is nothing short of a farce. It should just be an exhibition with no ranking points or prize money, just appearance fees, but penalty points should be imposed to ensure the top 8 do turn up.

Did Ed just swear? Haha!

Well, the stars seem to be aligning for Nole don't they?

Wow sour grapes are on this thread!

The whole set up of the WTF is nothing short of a farce. It should just be an exhibition with no ranking points or prize money, just appearance fees, but penalty points should be imposed to ensure the top 8 do turn up.

nadline , 11/23/11 6:31 PM


Hahaha ...very much understandable :)

I think the RR set up is interesting but it falls apart when players pull out in the middle of the tournament and are replace by others so it's possible for Tipsa, for instance to win the whole thing even if he plays one less round.

As a matter of interest, if Federer pulls out now, would Almagro come in and take over his place at the top of Group B?

I will go 1 further if Ferrer beats Djokovic and Almagro needs to play in third RR then he still has a chance to get through with only 1 win.

That is just the way it is. Those player have a terrible disadvantage because they need to get the points from lesser matches.

It has been like this for many many many years. I do not see what the prpoblem is other then that Rafa underperformance greatly in this indoor event.
Why do you even want to get rid of this major indoor tournement= I feel it is great that there is a major trophe in indor tournement just after indoor masters,
Indoortennis is spectaculair and always great fun for spectators. Great atmosphere. and it has a long history of tennis. Just because Nadal is a claycourt specialist should not mean that indoor tennis is somethin less then outdoor.

ohh wrong thread. Tipsarevic is out according to b.

I thought I understood the rankings in RR.... Until I saw this..
So this means Tipsarevic is out? I guess he can only get 1 win and 1 loss as to Berdych with 1 win and two losses!



Semi-final Qualifying Procedure
At the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, the final standings of each group shall be determined by the first of the following methods that apply:

a) Greatest number of wins;

b) Greatest number of matches played;
Comment: 2-1 won-loss record beats a 2-0 won-loss record; a 1-2 record beats a 1-0 record.

c) Head-to-head results if only two (2) players are tied,

d) If three (3) players are tied, then:

i) If three (3) players each have one (1) win, a player having played less than all three (3) matches is automatically eliminated and the player advancing to the single elimination competition is the winner of the match-up of the two (2) players tied with 1-2 records; or
ii) Highest percentage of sets won; or
iii) Highest percentage of games won; or
iv) The player positions on the South African Airways ATP Rankings as of the Monday after the last ATP World Tour tournament of the calendar year.
v) If (i), (ii), (iii) or (iv) produce one (1) superior player (first place), or one (1) inferior player (third place), and the two (2) remaining players are tied, the tie between those two (2) players shall be broken by head-to-head record.

Comment 1: 1 player has 3 wins and the other 3 players have 1 win. Of the 3 players with 1 win, 1 player has only played in 2 matches while the other 2 players have played 3 matches. The player who has only played 2 matches is eliminated and then the 2 remaining players revert back to head-to-head results with the winner of their match advancing to the semi-finals.

Comment 2: 1 player has 3 wins and the other 3 players have 1 win and they all have played 3 matches. The tie-break for % of sets won has 1 player with a better % than the other two. This player advances to the semi-final round.

Comment 3: 3 players have 2 wins and the other player has 0 wins. The player with 0 wins is eliminated. Of the 3 players with 2 wins, they are ordered by their % of sets won. This produces a 1, 2 & 3 order and the players finishing 1 and 2 move to the semi-final round and the player finishing 3 in % of sets won is eliminated. The player with the best % of sets won is the winner of the group.

Comment 4: 3 players have 2 wins and the other player has 0 wins. The player with 0 wins is eliminated. Of the 3 players with 2 wins, 1 player?s sets won-loss is 5-2 for 71.43%; the other 2 players both have a 4-3 record in sets for 57.14%. In this case there is 1 superior player (71.43%) and the remaining 2 players are tied; it now reverts to the head to head result of the 2 remaining players with the winning player advancing as group runner-up.

Comment 5: 3 players have 2 wins and the other player has 0 wins. The player with 0 wins is eliminated. Of the 3 players with 2 wins, 2 have set won-loss records of 5-3 (62.5%) while the other player is 4-3 (57.14%). In this case we have 1 inferior player (57.14%) and he is eliminated. The remaining two players both advance to the semi-finals with the winner of their head-to-head match advancing as the group winner.

Comment 6: 3 players have 2 wins and the other player has 0 wins. The player with 0 wins is eliminated. Of the 3 players with 2 wins, all have played 3 matches and all 3 have set won-loss records of 5-4 (55.56%). In this case we move to % of games won. The % of games won breaks down like this: 44-40 for 52.38%, 45-43 for 51.14% and 44-43 for 50.57%. This produces a 1, 2 and 3 order of the group and the number 1 player in % of games won is the group winner while the player finishing 2nd in % of games won advances to the semi-finals as the group runner-up. The player with the 3rd best % of games won is eliminated.

nice match.

Tipsa will be fine. Plus he plays Djokovic next, so if he isn't feeling 100 percent he can just retire and send his buddy through to the semis.

Ricky tipsy is out.

even if he wins 2 sets to love he is out because of b. see my post above.

I dont know about RR seems more like musical chairs.

you mean djokovic. yes that is true.

i know Tipsy is out of contention....

tipsa will play a few games against Nole, maybe one WHOLE set but certainly not more than that, and then nicely and humbly retire...

I just finished watching the replay of the Berdy/Tipsy match and that was a nasty fall for him at the end. He limped off the court. So he will be play a bit and then retire? What a crazy tournament!