Doesnt anybody give a sjceit about him? That I am the one to start this thread roling.
He needs your support 1 set all and he is having a really bad day.

odds on him retiring after he falls a break down.....

oh ja I am supporting Novak cause tomorrow there is gonna be some serious asswhooping. TMF will run over him like pre 2011 stylo...

There is the break... wait for the hold and then we can wrap it up...bring the Swisssssssssszzzzzzzzzzzzzisssssssssssslllllllllllllllllings
Is Nishikori so good or is the POD still in the US?

If have to give Djoker credits he did not wnat a nother retirement after his name.....
It looks bagle time....

Fresh bagel for Djokovic. lol

How I enjoyed this match. Roger next. Good luck Roger.

beck,
Roger would have pulled the plug on this Djoker.

I know Sienna. But the less points djokovic gets the better. H2H means nothing in the end of the day.

I like Nishikori and congrats to him but this is awful for Nole and his fans. After all that time off his shoulder flares again. Wonder now about Paris and WTF.
So sorry Zare and all Nole fans. :(

Gee, what happened and where have all the Nole fans gone since the US Open? I thought the result was a foregone conclusion after the first set and stopped watching. Pity this happened, but I'm sure he'll regroup and make a good attempt at winning the big one.

Just note how much it took physically for djokovic to have a good season with 3 GS and 10 titles (although he could have easily lost in the US Open semis).
Roger won 3 GS and over ten titles in 2004 and 2006.

Just shows people how hard it is.

P.S.:Djokovic should get in touch with nadal's doctor or else he won't be able to mantain such a style of play.

Oh please, pray tell me who Federer had to beat in 2004 and 2006? Didn't see him beating anyone of his own calibre or Nadal's a combined 10 times in the season, all in finals or semis - or winning 5 Masters series titles before the US Open. What Federer did was great, but shouldn't take anything away from Nole or how he went about achieving it. As for easily losing the USO semis, he had the balls and the co-ordination to do something seemingly impossible and the rest is history.

The shoulder has nothing to do with his style of play - it has everything to do with not enough serving before the tournament. Intelligent preparation and better handling of the opening rounds is what is required moving forward. I'm sure he'll find the solutions needed.

Rafa doesn't get much shoulder problem after so many years of playing tennis, only three instances that I know of, at Queens one year where he had to retire against Hewitt because of shoulder injury, another was at Cincy in 2007 against Monaco, Rafa can't even serve properly during that match; and last year shoulder tendinitis and withdrawn from Paris Masters. It's amazing that playing with so much top spin, Rafa rarely get his shoulder injured.

Not sure what bleck meant about Nole seeking the help of Rafa's doctor. A sarcasm or what? Rafa's main problem is his chronic foot problem that can never be cured. His knee issues are under control now after the PRP treatment. Nole needs no PRP treatment, at least not yet. Perhaps Nole should seek the help of Fed's doctor instead, for his back problem.

Shoulder problems have a lot to do with ineffective preparation before serving tons of heavy balls during a tournament. And this is clearly what it seems to be. Nole doesn't have the abbreviated motion of many players today where they shorten the racquet arc so that it doesnt drop below shoulder level too much. Instead, he uses a fullish arc that corresponds to the classic service motion. For most people, that is a lot of stress on the shoulder, more so if you're unprepared.

Anyway, kudos to Nishikori. I heard he was 0-30 down and 4-5 and still didnt throw in the towel. He still had to win the match and bagelling the player of the year is no small feat.

^^ 0-30 down at 4-5 in the second set.

@luckystar, hitting topsin on groundies would more likely affect Rafa's forearm or wrist than his shoulder, because of the racquet head speed he generates. But he seems to have enough strength to not get injured. for most of his career, Nadal has relied on the sidespin serve or the slice, both of which stress the shoulder far less than flat, topspin/kick serve. As soon as he started using them both a lot at the USO last year, his shoulder got affected - which I assume happened because he simply wasn't used to doing it and it took its toll.

Yes samprallica, I think so, that's why he's not been serving like the way he did last year. The way he hits whiplash forehand, I wonder how much pressure he exerts on his shoulder. He certainly won't want additional pressure on his shoulder!

It seems that for all those who rely heavily on their serves, they're bound to have some shoulder problems. I guess having the right technique and right pace is important; among the active players, I like Fed's serve the best - good technique, reliable and effective and doesn't seem to give Fed any shoulder problem.

Sad for Nole but I like Kei so much so... CONGRATS Kei and keep it up! ;)

I feel the same way danica. Great end of season from Kei.

samprallica, 11/5/11 5:25 PM

keyboard worrier sampra. If you saying that novak was greater than Roger..cough..cough..because of players played and all that, well Roger greater NOW because he beat Novak this year, the only one...and along comes this geezer. Kei..so he gotta be greater by process of logical thinking...and come on. Injured? where has this come from, last time he said he was fighting fitting, more excuses.

Where's zare?
sienna, you were only one here for a long time. Where are all the novak fans gone?

You response is typical of an insecure little fangirl. I never said Nole was greater than Federer, and I probably never will. But this season alone has been spectacular for obvious reasons: who he's beaten along the way. Federer never beat Nadal 6 times, let alone a player of similar calibre an additional 4 times by the time the USO was over.??Unfortunately, insecure fanboys/girls feel the need to keep putting down Nole's season by comparing it with injury free Fed seasons. I guess its alright, you guys rarely get a chance to gloat these days anyway, since Federer is not doing much to make you all feel like the champions you think you are as his fanbase :D

Federer never beat Nadal 6 times, let alone a player of similar calibre an additional 4 times by the time the USO was over.??Unfortunately, insecure fanboys/girls feel the need to keep putting down Nole's season by comparing it with injury free Fed seasons. I guess its alright, you guys rarely get a chance to gloat these days anyway, since Federer is not doing much to make you all feel like the champions you think you are as his fanbase :D
samprallica, 11/5/11 9:43 PM


How does that one work samp? when nadal didn't even make finals that fed did.

Bam!

Shot down in flames.

We doesn't need to gloat. We just look at 16 trophy slams and we smiles.

We neither... we just look at this season and smile...
Congrats to Kei... well done.
It is time for us Nole's fans to feel the same as Rafans...while he was fighting with injuries...
Still...little bit of points lost... not a big deal... I am fraid for paris now... shame, but injury seems serious...
OK... we will see...
So the scavengers are here... lol... gloating and bubbling .... hehehe...
He won Novak once....lol, what about other four times.
Fed's season... what were his success ...long forgotten 250 tournament, probably his own tournament and two MPs against Nole... hahaha...
Just keep counting.... what a Quest... If I may quote Mr Lindhal, so called journalist...

zare, nadal and djokovic fans would kill for their idols to have such a season Roger has had when they are 30 years old (if they don't retire before that).

You are again playing prophet???
Where can I find the results of 30 years old Nole's season? Give me link pls :)

...and BTW you and your friends would kill for start of carrier like Rafa's carrier...
Everyone keep forgetting how young Rafa was...

There you are zare! Why did you let sienna hogs all the novak space here? :)))

We missed you! (really did) :)

The 250 events you talk about helps Murray to no. 3, the pos novak held for ?3 years? cos he couln't get past rogie.

You talking about Rafa in the past tens? Remember how long rafa was no. 2, 3 and 4 before he frogs leaps forward, then back again.

I will not let me dragged down into this guerilla war from Zare.
He obviously is completely lost contact with reality. Poor soul.
Tennis has left the Djoker he just cant handle a full year of TMF.

War? with you Sin and you fleury friend....lol...
You can't make war with pests...
Just gloating and showing your real characters...
Keep counting missed MP for your idol.. hehe...Sienna just read my post to you after Nole took the USO SF... you see the diference ???
Fleur... have you again forget to take your pills ... past tense....?
How old was Rafa when he won over Fed fist time... when he took first GS???
How old was Novak when he defeated your fakey ?.... when he took his first GS???
...and how old was Rogi when he took his first GS???
Bleck like to speak about carriers and wishes...
Just enjoy... with Nole injured... Andy retired and Rafa not there... even your guy has a chance to take second title this year...( second title.... phuuuuahhahah )...
And you speak about reality.... LOL???

Too bad about Nole's shoulder. So 3 of his 4 losses this year are related to this shoulder injury. He may decide that the best thing to do is to take the rest of the season off. Better to look at long term. If he's had 6 weeks off and it comes back this fast better to be cautious. Shame though.

zare, I feels sorry for you that you envy the friendship of two devout peoples who enjoy watching tennis and you comes up with misunderstandable language?

Federer is no fake. Why can you evens say such a thing?

It makes for nonsense. It's gladness that Roger is recovered from strains of an insurmountable career, ?1,000 matches. hej hej!?unmatched..age is a number..to be relied on by people with what else to say? Who cares the age for when players wins a slam? Like Li Na and Franscesca...OTH...You say murray because he is OTH, won't win because of age? or skill or talent? or what? Age is nothing.

sienna, morning to you! I think zare needs a serbian brandy to still his nerves.

Lets hopes Novak recovers from his injury. Is it an injury or what? He's quiet about the problem.

Novak may need further rest to continue to compete at high levels and that's no joke zare.

Yes numero... I was hoping for Nole Fed finale....
That would be match to watch...
I have never enjoyed in players injuries... all combinations are off in second.
Well ...we will see...

OK fleur...must admit that, this is the first post by you... that is not poisoned...
My nerves are OK thank you.... and I don't drink...
Nothing has changed... Nole has huge reserve of points so he can loose hundred or two... so it's not a big deal.
Injury...well it is back over and over... we will see... Sure that he will know what is best for him...

I know my english is not the best on this site but Zare after a Novak loss is incomprehensible. What on earth are you trying to say? Btw the loser in Nole is back.

Siena...didn't mama said to you... Shutup while adults are speking...

^^ Love how Sienna and Fleur are overreacting after one Nole loss in very reasonable circumstances. Can't handle a full year of TMF? What a joke - let me remind you that Nole has a head to head of 4-1 this year against Federer, and on two occasions Federer was playing lights out tennis. He's also had a winning H2H over Fed in 2009, so that is absolute nonsense.

@Fleur, Nadal didn't reach the finals of course, because he was a pup. Consider Federer lucky that he wasn't 25 years old and had come off a season with 3 successive slams. Like I said, it doesn't make Nole greater than Federer, but what Nole has achieved this season is unprecedented and is being talked about so much because of who he beat on the way. I would have to be a fool to claim that anyone is greater than Federer when the measuring stick seems to be statistics. Nole's season will be talked about more than any of the TMF seasons, fact! But greatness has a lot more to it than one season.

Federer>Nole. Doesn't change the fact that he never has, and never would beat a Nadal 6 times in one year, let alone at this stage of Nadal's career.

It is a shame that Nole losing due to injury, but he has a part to play in them. He doesn't seem to have a naturally flexible upper arm structure, and therefore should work on strengthening it. And try to be a whole lot more prepared when you come off a break. His complacency this time around was tad unprofessional.

If you think they are overreacting now, just wait to see what happens when Fed wins. Now that Nole is out of the way, I don't think there is any suspense about the outcome. But expect to see it played up as the second coming!

But expect to see it played up as the second coming!
Nativenewyorker, 11/6/11 7:12 AM

LOL. Couldn't have put it better myself!

An article about Nole dominated by arrogant fedtards who have nothing to say about the topic but to gloat.

phoenix: Don't you think we should give them a break - it's been such a very long time since they had anything to gloat about, it's hardly surprising they should go overboard about this one.

7:12 AM Nice one NNY.

@Fleur, Nadal didn't reach the finals of course, because he was a pup.

When will you below with the excuses? Pup? baby? knees? divorce? darkness?

Ed, phoenix: Don't you think we should give them a break - it's been such a very long time since they had anything to gloat about, it's hardly surprising they should go overboard about this one.
ed251137, 11/6/11 8:05 AM

This is where you miss. Where has fed

been all year? Always there. Always at the forefront of danger, rafa fraid of darkness and federer, he's lucky that novak steps in and takes some of his tennispower, because he underprepared.

Fed always been there, with a beautiful game.

It's no glotting, it's sheer embarisment for you to admit it, yes?, and you a murray fan, must be such a long wait for you to wait and wait for andy to win a slam, so much time you can be doing things, shopping, skating, cleaning windows, ironing, washing, switching TV back on to see if andy won a slam, 3 years later, washing still drying in the green grass.

NNY,If you think they are overreacting now, just wait to see what happens when Fed wins. Now that Nole is out of the way, I don't think there is any suspense about the outcome. But expect to see it played up as the second coming!
Nativenewyorker, 11/6/11 7:12 AM

What would you knows about second comings...that's all you do is coming and going...and coming backs again...you never goes away...you pure entertainment value here...with your words...nole out of the way?

Whose falt that?

Fed would have given him a mastersclass.

When will you below with the excuses? Pup? baby? knees? divorce? darkness?
Fleur, 11/6/11 9:04 AM

I'm sure you didn't mean to add 'darkness' because that was the excuse given by Fed when he lost Wimb 2008. Says it all really, huh?

Fleur. Great posts!! You always know how to bring it to them and how to show the falts in there comments.
Fed was indeed always there. He is and will be untill he retires be a top contender.

When he takes court you see the eternal flame, the hunger, the will teh dedication, the love for the game. You SEE the spirit of a champion.
He is and always will be the emperor of tennis.

It is incredible that his level is always at the same high standard. It is even more incredible because Rafa could not sustain the intensity for a whole year and now even Djokovic shows just what Fed has done over the years is impossible for anybody else.

To keep the standard for a full year and that 8, 9 years in a row most blow the minds f the Nadalfans and Djokerfans on this site. Jealousy is taking over into share hatred where admiration should be in place.
Fed did not win a slam but he always is there with the level required to win, wit the mindset required to win, with physical body required to win.

ed,

Thanks! By the way, you beat me with Lew Hoad! :)

jean,

Perfect! Thanks so much for reminding them that it was none other than Fed who blamed the 2008 Wimbledon loss on darkness! :)

heads up!NNY?Jean...what says it all is that nadal should play paris and faces his darknesses and his dogs.


I'm sure you didn't mean to add 'darkness' because that was the excuse given by Fed when he lost Wimb 2008. Says it all really, huh?
jean, 11/6/11 9:43 AM

facts is incorrect boys...You such great entertainment value NNY. I could watches you on screen all days...TV people in interview asked fed whether darkness to affected his game. Go work it. Course he didn't say, darkness is reason why he lose.

You losing your nerve.

I believes past 9pm...may be even nearly 10pm... that match ended...sienna that right? and no lights, just cameras flashes to play in. If you ask my opinion, course it was too dark to play on. Everyone says so, bart nadalites.

You sit breathing heavy now?

To keep the standard for a full year and that 8, 9 years in a row most blow the minds f the Nadalfans and Djokerfans on this site. Jealousy is taking over into share hatred where admiration should be in place.
Fed did not win a slam but he always is there with the level required to win, wit the mindset required to win, with physical body required to win.
Sienna, 11/6/11 10:14 AM

sienna, you always right. You always gets it in a bombshell.

You is a pleasure to read.

"When he takes court you see the eternal flame..."
Well... that's some argument...
Never argue with woman in phase of multiple orgasm....
I just have dilemma... what is bigger pleasure for someone with hyena soul?
Fed lifting the trophy or Novak in pain.... sick!

Its not an excuse, it is a fact. Nadal reached several finals at the start of this year and he didn't in 2006; the reason simply being that he wasn't as good then as he is now. If Djokovic was even playing at his USO 2010 level (his best for last year outside the Davis Cup Finals) Nadal would have won each and every one of those finals.

Going back to 2004 and 2006, pup Nadal destroyed Federer at Miami in 2004 and beat him in the finals of Dubai. I dread to think of what would have happened if it was this version that was playing at the time; i.e. if both of them were similar in age.

Anyway, enough of the hypotheticals. They aren't required for anyone to see that Nole's season is unique in a lot of ways. He might even make it better with two more tournaments to go, but what he did up to the US Open was something special, beyond what even Federer achieved up to the Open in 2004/2006. Of course whether the entire season will be better is up to debate, since Nole would need to round of his season with a win at the WTF, but it doesn't need to be. I'm sure he's satisfied with what he's done so far.

"Fed did not win a slam but he always is there with the level required to win, wit the mindset required to win, with physical body required to win." He's still not winning the slams. If they had awards for level, mindset and body, your statement might have some validity.

samprallica why you leave out Fed's 2007 year. He worked very hard foor the 4 majors he won that year and tokeep his losses under 10. The year stillwas better then Nadal's 2010.
With Novak losing to a player ranked outside of the top 30 you see how difficult it is to dominate the tour like he did 2004 till 2007...

ed,

That's true, let's be charitable and give them a break...this is only Federer's 2nd title of the WHOLE year and I'm sure they will have less and less reasons to gloat about
in the coming months.

asshole Arrogant Cheater Nadal's fan.

Nadal said. " to watch a Sampras versus Ivanisevic match. or one between those kind? of players, is not enjoyable. It's not really tennis. it is a few swings of the racquet. For me in? the past it was just serve. serve"



clay excluded. successive win 0. ? If grass and a? hard are fast. Like Sampras era. Nadal is able to win only with clay. power of defense and muscles. boring ugly. All the surface is slow now. SICK.

cheater. fake time-out. gamesmanship. too noisy and annoying. exinjury for lose always. most arrogant fan.

I want see, Roger Federer - Novak Djokovic final.

Fed also lost to players ranked outside the 30s, when he was ranked no.1. He lost to 17yo Rafa in 2004, Rafa was ranked outside the top 30s then; Fed also lost to 19 yo Murray in 2006, was Murray ranked inside top 30? Have to check that one. Also in 2007, Fed lost to Volandri at Rome, I don't think Volandri was ranked in the top 30s.

There's no rule that say that a no.1 player can't lose to players ranked outside the top 30s, what more if the top player is carrying some injury.

One thing Nole did that both Fedal almost done but still failed, ie to win five Masters titles in one year. Rafa as a nineteen year old in 2005 had his chances. If he won that Miami final, he would have won five Masters that year. Fed had his chances in 2006, he had match points against Rafa at the Rome final; had he won at Rome, he would have won five Masters as well. Fedal actually killed each other's chances there.

One more thing about Nole's achievement, he's able to win the very first tournament he played after becoming no.1, something Fedal couldn't do. If Nole goes on to win the WTF without losing any match there, I think I can say his 2011 is better than Fed's 2006, even if he plays and lose at Paris.

Well Sienna your bosom buddy mentioned 2004 and 2006, that's why I responded in kind. And they were both better than 2007 anyway. I'm not even debating that what Federer did (three ultimate seasons) is possible for another player. It takes a lot to achieve that. I'm just talking in reference to this one year. 1 Nole year can't eclipse the greatness of 3 Fed years combined - so I'm talking in reference to single years only. And Nole's season is amazing for the reasons I gave above.

@luckystar, I would add beating Nadal twice consecutively on clay in straights to that set of achievements. Has never been done before.

Murray was effectively a pup in 2006 as well, Nadal outside top 30 in 2004, Volandri must've been. Kuerten at Roland Garros too - although that wouldn't really be a dent in Roger's 2004 because Guga was a special player. So Federer did have his losses along the way and therefore your hypothesis that this one loss is proof that Nole can't dominate for three years is false.

I will tell you why it will be difficult for Nole though. Nadal looking to make a statement next year, and Murray looking to make his mark. These guys along with Del Potro (I hope he regains his form of old) will be around and hungry.

Yes samprallica, beating Rafa in two back to back clay Masters is a first(I hope it's the last) and it's an achievement in itself. I think going forward Rafa, Nole, Murray and Delpo may form the new top four. If Rafa is to retire before the other three, then I wish for Cilic to fill in the slot. I hope 2012 will turn out to be an exciting year, for the players and their fans.

I see the sycophantic sisters (plus their little friend absinnet) are indulging in an orgy of gloating interspersed with venom directed at all and sundry on every thread. Why? Because Federer won a tournament which he was heavlly backed to win and Nishikori was playing out of his league.

Stops lying Ed. There's no gloating.

Just happy for Federer.

LOL, the way they gloat, one would think that Federer has won another GS...Oh well, if they are happy scraping the barrel, I guess we can give it to them...Congratulations guys...

We's happy Rogie has won another event phenix. Thanks for congratulations, but we knows you don't mean it.

I suppose a 500 is scraping the barrel? Must mean Murray's 250 this year in Asia, is lining the suburbs then? I s'pose we can give that to you too...well done Rogie love!

Here Phenix, this is for you. I know sienna won't mind sharing. She is a generous sort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=febTxKn-Sfc

We doesn't gloat. We happy for Rogie.

Happy love.

Because Federer won a tournament which he was heavlly backed to win and Nishikori was playing out of his league.
ed251137, 11/6/11 6:51 PM

Ed, you needs to read Ricky's backing and all bets was for novak, not Rogie. You needs to pay attention closer.

I was referring to the final.