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  • Nadal fifth in Wimbledon seedings

    6/20/13 3:38 AM | Johan Lindahl
    Nadal fifth in Wimbledon seedings Rafael Nadal faces a tough slog at Wimbledon after the committee elected to stick with the ATP ranking and leave the Spaniard on the fifth seeding for the grass-court.

    The 12-time grand slam winner trails Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, Roger Federer and compatriot David
    Ferrer in the list.

    Standing fifth means Nadal could face of with one of the other elites in the quarter-finals at the All England club. Under the complex ATP ranking system Nadal dropped from fourth to fifth the day after he beat Ferrer for his eighth French Open title 10 days ago.

    The king of clay has little to defend at this Wimbledon edition after losing in the second round at the 2012 edition to Lukas Rosol and then taking seven months off to rest knee problems. Since his February return, the Spaniard has won seven of nine events played.

    While Nadal is a dangerous floater, his seeding is not a particular bother for any of the other top names. Murray told the BBC that he would relish an early meeting with his rival.

    "I'd sign up to be in the quarter-finals against Rafa tomorrow if someone offered me that. If I get through that match, then the semi-final might not be as tough, But if you want to win the biggest tournaments you have to beat the best players in the world."

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First of all Wimbledon did not stick with the ATP rankings, they applied their formula, it just happened that it didn't make any difference to the rankings.

Calling Rafa a dangerous floater is laughable. He practically owns the top 4 seeds with a 73:34 h2h against them.


#bring it on
#GOTE

nadline , 6/20/13 7:51 AM


Well, he's gonna float alright, like a butterfly, and sting like a bee......

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 8:04 AM


Andy is confident to face RAFA, like his new attitude.

sabs , 6/20/13 8:04 AM


He practically owns the top 4 seeds with a 73:34 h2h against them.
nadline, 6/20/13 7:51 AM

So true, excellent point.

Raindrops , 6/20/13 8:06 AM


Grass may offer many Chameleons to crush a bee.

sabs , 6/20/13 8:15 AM


I happened to read Bodo's blog on tennis.com previewing the chances of the top four at Wimbledon, meaning Rafa, Murray, Nole and Fed. It's not surprising that he once again found a way to diminish Rafa's chances! What a shocker!

This guy's reasoning baffles me. He seems to nitpick and try to find things that would support his theory that out of the top four, Rafa is the most likely to suffer an early loss. This after Rafa won RG for a historic 8th time and has won all but two of the tournaments he played since his comeback.

Also, Bodo insists that he has it on good authority that Rafa's doctor ordered him not to play Halle for the sake of his knee! Ya think? What else is new?

I found it actually kind of funny this time, given that there is zero pressure on Rafa. He is defending almost nothing in points. He has just accomplished his most important goal of the year. My take on it is that even as the #5 seed, Rafa should be able to play freely and confidently once he gets adjusted to grass.

Nativenewyorker , 6/20/13 9:04 AM


"While Nadal is a dangerous floater, his seeding is not a particular bother FOR ANY of the other top names. Murray told the BBC that he would relish an early meeting with his rival."

How did the journo know that's it's not a bother to the other top 4 when it's ONLY Andy who has spoken on the matter?

phoenix , 6/20/13 9:16 AM


@phoenix
Exactly why Andy now gives cagey, boring interviews. Even The Guardian can do this!
#Shocking

deuce , 6/20/13 9:23 AM


Murray is posturing just like 'Novak I believe I can win Djokovic'. Murray is hardly going to say I don't want to play Rafa is the Qtrs. The fact that he needed to comment on it says much more about Rafa's significance than Murray saying he would relish a meeting with Rafa.

nadline , 6/20/13 9:26 AM


Murray can't even be so sure he can beat Ferrer.

nadline , 6/20/13 9:34 AM


One more interesting fact. Rafa has won 21 out of his last 22 matches against top 10 players.

nadline , 6/20/13 9:39 AM


^^^ In that how many of them are in Clay?

sabs , 6/20/13 9:52 AM


^^And your point is what, clay is a lesser surface?

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 10:01 AM


sabs, who cares? What stopped Djoko being made favourite at RG despite his miserable record against Rafa on clay. Up to this year final he had only taken 1 set from Rafa at RG in 4 meetings yet he was supposed to be the favourite.

In case you didn't know, Rafa is 2:1 against Djoker at Wimbledon, and 3:1 on grass. He is 3:0 against Murray at Wimbledon and 1:2 against Roger. When Rafa walks on court against any of them he is not going to be thinking that he is seeded 5, he is going to be thinking how many times he's beaten them. Djoker, Fed and Ferru - 20 times for starters and Murray 13 times.

Ferru got to the final without losing a set at RG then he lost in straight sets to Rafa is the final. That says a lot about who Rafa is.

nadline , 6/20/13 10:11 AM


Augustina08 , 6/20/13 10:18 AM


I was referring to the article which claimed that

"Rafael Nadal faces a tough slog at Wimbledon after the committee elected to stick with the ATP ranking and leave the Spaniard on the fifth seeding for the grass-court".

After applying the formula, the top 5 rankings were not affected, were the?

nadline , 6/20/13 10:27 AM


Augustina, do you want to discuss Kevin Anderson being seeded 27 and ranked 23 or all of the other changes due to the formula?

nadline , 6/20/13 10:41 AM


@nadline, 6/20/13 10:41 AM

Nope! It's solely a fact.

Augustina08 , 6/20/13 10:59 AM


'^^And your point is what, clay is a lesser surface?
rafaisthebest, 6/20/13 10:01 AM'

Oh for goodness sakes, you're all so defensive about Nadal being the greatest clay court player ever and take offence if people get too specific about it.
Rafa's overall stats are obviously ramped up due to this, what's wrong with recognising this fact?
He won RG 8 times FFS!

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:02 AM


All I was saying was that the formula did not affect the top 5, i did not say it didn't affect anyone else.

nadline , 6/20/13 11:02 AM


'Murray can't even be so sure he can beat Ferrer...'

I think the lady doth protest too much.
Who got knocked out when by a nobody last year eh?
Oh and if you think Nadal will continue to own Andy..
You know the one that's getting better and better?
Well, we will see about that won't we?
:)

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:08 AM


when is the draw ceremony?

rafaelo , 6/20/13 11:11 AM


^^^The draw is on Friday.

nadline , 6/20/13 11:13 AM


Sabs : Id say lets bring Roger to face Rafa in qtrs. If Rafa wins hope ull stick around n say Congrats. If Roger wins Im sure we will offer Congrats

Roger will not win Wimby this year, I am very sure of that. It will be 1 of the other 3 and I put Novak as the most fav as hell be very determined. I put Rafa and Andy as second co favs

sanju , 6/20/13 11:14 AM


Where is the evidence that Andy has gotten better n better as compared to Rafa? They may have gone equally better

Atleast the results so far this year dont point to Andy getting better n better in far higher capacity than Rafa

sanju , 6/20/13 11:19 AM


Novak is world number one but on a fast court it's easier to punch holes in his defences.
I'm going with all 3 being equal faves, well colour me equivocal!
Had Andy already won it I'd put him as the fav as he is by far the freshest of the 3 and stats wise is very impressive on this surface plus the final and gold last year,
But he hasn't so down he goes a bit,
The 2nd week will tell us more obviously.

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:19 AM


sanju, being very determined means zilch. Novak could not have been more determined to win RG or an Olympic medal.

nadline , 6/20/13 11:21 AM


@ nadline
The only place Ferrer beats Andy is on clay.
#FaceTheFacts

deuce , 6/20/13 11:23 AM


'Atleast the results so far this year dont point to Andy getting better n better in far higher capacity than Rafa..'

Read my posts properly before you start complaining,
Anyway to the point of capacity Andy being the most immature of the top 5 has the most TO improve this is not a slight on the others, it's a fact about Andy.
If you compare how he plays now to even a year ago the difference is far more noticeable than any changes the other 3 have made.
You aren't watching so you don't know.
I can't believe saying this would upset the Nadal fans as that is just crazy...
So I won't.

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:24 AM


Twinge, quit acting like you are @sabs's brain. You don't know what he had in mind when he said what he said. Let him speak for himself.

What is your point, @sabs?

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 11:26 AM


Twinge , 6/20/13 11:02 AM

And your problem is...???

phoenix , 6/20/13 11:26 AM


'Twinge, quit acting like you are @sabs's brain. You don't know what he had in mind when he said what he said. Let him speak for himself...'

Right now I'm going to get f**ked off if you all don't stop being such babies
I haven't even read sabs posts I am answering Nadline's

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:29 AM


@deuce

I could say the only place Murray beats Rafa is on hard, but I won't because I think it semantics at best.

nadline , 6/20/13 11:29 AM


One more interesting fact. Rafa has won 21 out of his last 22 matches against top 10 players.
nadline, 6/20/13 9:39 AM

^^^ In that how many of them are in Clay?
sabs, 6/20/13 9:52 AM

SABS, that one loss is happened to be on Clay.

Raindrops , 6/20/13 11:29 AM


Chronology of posts, for Twingey's sake....
............................................................ ..............................................

^^^ In that how many of them are in Clay?

sabs , 6/20/13 9:52 AM
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^^And your point is what, clay is a lesser surface?

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 10:01 AM
.................................................................. ...........................................
^^And your point is what, clay is a lesser surface?
rafaisthebest, 6/20/13 10:01 AM'

Oh for goodness sakes, you're all so defensive about Nadal being the greatest clay court player ever and take offence if people get too specific about it.
Rafa's overall stats are obviously ramped up due to this, what's wrong with recognising this fact?
He won RG 8 times FFS!

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:02 AM
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Ahem....you referenced my post, which was a response to @sabs, not @nadline..

Since you accused me of being a baby, might as well act like one!!! Now where's my dummy..........


rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 11:38 AM


Right now I'm going to get f**ked off if you all don't stop being such babies
Twinge , 6/20/13 11:29 AM

Go ahead Twingey, I will not be in your way of getting a good one :-)


phoenix , 6/20/13 12:01 PM


The numbers don?t lie. Ferrer is No. 4, Nadal is No. 5. Period.

These numbers don?t lie either:

Nadal: 12 Grand Slam titles; 43 wins, 95% win percentage, seven titles in 2013; five Wimbledon finals appearances, two Wimbledon titles.

Ferrer: 0 Grand Slam titles; 37 wins, 78% win percentage, two titles in 2013; one Wimbledon quarterfinal appearance.

Why is one set of numbers more important than the other? When did common sense get replaced with slavish devotion to meaningless point values?

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/06/rafael-nadal-wimbledon-seed /

nadline , 6/20/13 12:28 PM


Right now I'm going to get f**ked off if you all don't stop being such babies
Twinge , 6/20/13 11:29 AM

For someone accusing others of being babies, you're not far off from being one yourself, posting things like the above. "First take the splinter out of your own eye..."

TuesdayChild , 6/20/13 12:34 PM


Raindrops , 6/20/13 11:29 AM

Good one, :-)

@RITB,
Nadline's 21/22 stat shows her strong marketing credentials, selecting right numbers to position RAFA. I was interested and just questioning that stat.
never intended to state clay slam as a mediocre one.



sabs , 6/20/13 12:40 PM


sabs, I'd be interested in seeing which numbers you would select.

nadline , 6/20/13 12:43 PM


^^ :-)

Numbers will fall short, here brand is quite strong and still milking the brand equity at the age of almost 32.

Shhh............Genius at work.

sabs , 6/20/13 12:57 PM


"As far as 2013 is concerned there was nothing that could be done, we have an agreement on seedings in place and we have to stick with that," Wimbledon Referee Andrew Jarrett told Sportsmail.

"'Of course we always review things and we may debate it in the future."
Some argue that the seedings should just go straight off the world rankings of the time like other Grand Slams (which still would not have altered Nadal's place in the draw) but Jarrett is inclined against that.

My own view is that grass is still a different surface. We are in an era when players usually happier on slower courts have proved that they can do well here and it?s not like the time of Pete Sampras and Goran Ivanisevic when you often didn?t see a return. But grass is still different and so is clay.

"There is an argument that the French Open should have their own seeding formula and the US and Australian Opens another seeding formula, but that is for others to discuss."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2344326/Wimbledon-2013 -Rafael-Nadal-seeded-fifth-sets-potential-Andy-murray-quarter-final-cl ash.html#ixzz2Wkq9tzRB
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nadline , 6/20/13 1:24 PM


Shhh............Genius at work.
sabs, 6/20/13 12:57 PM


The genius has only won 1 250 event in 10 months!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nadline , 6/20/13 1:31 PM


As a reminder, prior to this year, I gave the edge to Fed as GOAT IMO, weak era and poor H2H with Rafa factored in.

However, Rafa returning to the top so soon after such a long layoff winning his first hc masters in IW along with Rome, Barcelona and Madrid capped with yet another FO, a historical No.8 against the current No. 1, to lead the race to London by a large margin half way through the yeat cemented it in Rafa's favour.

His comeback has been absolutely incredible (and understated by the federatti media) and unprecedented.

Again, my opinion only.

#VamosRAFA
#GOAT

Conspirator , 6/20/13 1:55 PM


'Ahem....you referenced my post, which was a response to @sabs, not @nadline..'

ahem,
I did didn't I?
Sorry my sweet.
;)

Twinge , 6/20/13 2:18 PM


My prediction for the top 8 in the draw:


Top half

Djoko vs Nadal
Ferrer vs Berdych


Bottom half

Murray vs Delpo
Federer vs Tsonga

nadline , 6/20/13 2:36 PM


^^^ that's very unfair and not good!

rafaelo , 6/20/13 2:39 PM


Then it will probably be a Novak/Andy final.
So let's hope so!

Twinge , 6/20/13 2:41 PM


rafaelo, it's not about being fair, it's just my gut feeling.

nadline , 6/20/13 2:44 PM


That's how I think the draw will go, whether hey all make it that far is another question.

The seedings policy is going to revisited by Wimbledon as they no realize it doesn't cover all eventualities. They should just make it flexible as they do for the WTA.

Tennis is run by rules written on the back of an envelope. Why use a formula to seed the men and exercise discretion to seed the women?

nadline , 6/20/13 2:50 PM


Rafa being 5th seed is fine. He can confirm his GOAT status by taking out the other big three nicely one after another starting in the quarters. I love the desperation that is visible all around the web currently among Federer fans. They know his unjustified GOAT status is being taken down and the storm of Rafa appraisal after his incredible ongoing run this year, must hurt.

I just read another desperate attempt in the GOAT debate: "it's a pity Nadal and Federer never met on other surfaces than clay, when Roger was at his peak". Now please tell me, when was Federer's peak? I think it must have been somewhere around 2005/2006 when Nadal, Djokovic and Murray were teenagers and the level of competition was truly low (the weakest era). But if we have to believe the Fed fans, as soon as it comes to the Rafa GOAT debate, Roger's peak was when? Somewhere between August '81 and June '86 whoahahahahah!

JBeer , 6/20/13 2:51 PM


I am not bothered about Rafa being seeded 5 either. They all have to get to the Qtrs. first and if Rafa makes it that far, he'll be good and ready for anyone. I am not in the business of taking anything for granted, everyone is vulnerable in the earlier rounds.

nadline , 6/20/13 3:01 PM


I think this overall GOAT player stuff is impossible to prove and subject to people's personal biases. I think Rafa is the best player ever on clay, but not on every surface. There's quite a few players who are better in grass and hardcourts then him in history and he is yet to win a world tour final, however on clay, he is indisputably the best with Borg being second.

In terms of this seeding thing, it's obviously a flawed system if the defending champion is seeded third and Nadal is below Ferrer and 5th but hey ho there it is, I personally would like someone out of the top 5 to win Wimbledon, can't think of who that'd be though!

rbennett , 6/20/13 3:19 PM


He can confirm his GOAT status by taking out the other big three nicely one after another starting in the quarters. I love the desperation that is visible all around the web currently among Federer fans. They know his unjustified GOAT status is being taken down and the storm of Rafa appraisal after his incredible ongoing run this year, must hurt.
JBeer , 6/20/13 2:51 PM

+1

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 3:26 PM


Tennis is the only sport where the term GOAT is even mentioned. I have never heard anyone called GOAT in golf or F1. Women's tennis doesn't have a GOAT debate either even though they have players who have far more impressive resumes than Federer.

This whole nonsense was started when they thought the weak era would last for ever. They didn't see Rafa and Nole coming, especially Rafa who beats Federer for fun. It's time they dropped the subject because it's getting more and more ridiculous to call someone who went 10 months before winning a 250 event the greatest player to ever play the game.

nadline , 6/20/13 3:35 PM


nadline,
GOAT debates will continue for few more years. When Nadal overtakes Federer's grand slam tally in a couple of years, these same Fed maniacs who have appointed him as GOAT will claim that the whole subject is futile and be dropped.

NadalistheGOAT , 6/20/13 3:42 PM


^^^Quite.

nadline , 6/20/13 3:46 PM


' It's time they dropped the subject because it's getting more and more ridiculous to call someone who went 10 months before winning a 250 event the greatest player to ever play the game...`

For once (or twice) I agree with Nadline.
Post of the week really...

Twinge , 6/20/13 3:52 PM


My guess nadline is that you don't pay much attention to other sports then.

Just google "greatest of all time" for ANY sport:
golf: Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus
hockey: Orr, Lemieux, Gretzky, Howe
baseball: Ruth, Gehrig, Mays

It's discussed and debated in all sports. Team or individual.

NadalistheGOAT, 6/20/13 3:42 PM, that is the post of the week.

#RafaGOAT

Conspirator , 6/20/13 4:24 PM


^^^Notice that they're all plural greats, not `THE GREATEST` which is the crux of the matter i suppose...

'NadalistheGOAT, 6/20/13 3:42 PM, that is the post of the week...`

Well, you would say that dear boy wouldn't you?
lol

Twinge , 6/20/13 4:34 PM


Rafa will take part in the BNP Paribas Tennis Classic at The Hurlingham Club in London on Friday 21st June. He will play Kei Nishikori (at 2:30 PM).

Rafa: "I'm happy to play the event at the Hurlingham Club, especially as I haven't played on grass since the French Open. Thank you for this opportunity, I'm looking forward to a great match."
http://tinyurl.com/plh3kjn

Augustina08 , 6/20/13 4:40 PM


Kei is getting passed around the top players like a r**fer
hes playing Andy too at boodles I believe,
Oh my I'm being naughty again!
back to the goats thing...
Yes in womens tennis i've heard the goat thingy about martina or steffi,
but really this is just an offshoot of the male goat debate.
Is it not?

Twinge , 6/20/13 4:48 PM


what I've been posting here at tt for years: too many flaws in saying one goat, but talking about the 10 or so goats is meaningful... just don't go try ranking those 10 or so
and that the goats in tennis far surpass the accomplishments, by raw numbers, of those of men and this must have been noticed and pointed out by many long ago ... but beyond that it is perhaps hard to compare top women to top men meaningfully. Is the competition from other women players a lot weaker making more titles easier? Still, the stats of the 2 or 3 top women are insanely high compared to the top men stats.

chlorostoma , 6/20/13 5:01 PM


^that the goats in tennis --> that the goats in women tennis

chlorostoma , 6/20/13 5:04 PM


A-ha!
Muzz is playing the hurlingham aussi
With Kei Nishikori!
Or maybe he isnt
er yes...

Twinge , 6/20/13 5:10 PM


nadline, 6/20/13 1:31 PM

Yes I'm sure you're right and that if Fed played more than 2 grass tournaments per year he would still be in a 10 month title drought. Such insight! Then again I suppose if I mentioned Nadal's cupcake draw in IW I'd be crucified huh?

ts38 , 6/20/13 5:53 PM


I'll be at Hurlingham tomorrow so I'll try and give some insight into how well Rafa is hitting the ball and moving on Grass.

willmw101 , 6/20/13 6:16 PM


^^^I'm not sure I'm looking forward to your take.

nadline , 6/20/13 6:20 PM


IMG Tennis are thrilled to announce that World No.5, and twelve time Grand Slam singles titles Champion, Rafael Nadal, will play at the exclusive BNP Paribas Tennis Classic at The Hurlingham Club in London on Friday 21st June.

On confirming his place in this special event, Nadal, said: ?I?m happy to play the event at the Hurlingham Club, especially as I haven?t played on grass since the French Open. Thank you for this opportunity, I?m looking forward to a great match.?

Nadal will follow other top 20 ATP stars Andy Murray (World No2) Jo Wilfried Tsonga (World No.8), Tommy Haas (World No.14) and rising Japanese star Kei Nishikori (World No.16) and Tennis legends Pat Cash, Goran Ivanisevic, Henri Leconte, Andrew Castle, Fabrice Santoro and Mansour Bahrami who have played this week. Nadal will play Nishikori who reached the quarterfinals of the Australian Open last year and recently beat Federer in the Madrid Open.

The order of play for the day will be:
12pm: Tommy Haas v Matt Ebden
2.30pm: Rafael Nadal v Kei Nishikori
Followed by: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga v Tommy Robredo
After Tea: Lindsay Davenport/Fabrice Santoro v Rennae Stubbs/Pat Cash

nadline , 6/20/13 6:21 PM


Then again I suppose if I mentioned Nadal's cupcake draw in IW I'd be crucified huh?
ts38, 6/20/13 5:53 PM


Of course Fed was the cream on the cupcake.

nadline , 6/20/13 6:46 PM


So you have the confirmation folks, from no less than a Federatti, ts38, that drawing Roger Federer is considered having a cupcake draw! Rafa drew and played Fed in the quarters in IW, no? Slowly, the GOAT facade is crumbling.........

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 6:50 PM


Twinge, 6/20/13 4:34 PM
chlorostoma, 6/20/13 5:01 PM

That's the whole point. Tennis GOAT is plural too due to its subjectivity. Fed, Rafa, Borg, Sampras, Laver, etc.

Same as greatest teams in sport.

Just for fun. Chillax.

Oh, and yes, Fed is Rafa's cupcake, even on surfaces other than clay as ts20 points out.

#GOATpolice

Conspirator , 6/20/13 6:56 PM


It's good to hear that Rafa is playing at this Hurlingham Club. So he will get a chance to have some match play before Wimbledon.

I wouldn't be worried about how he looks. The whole point is to work out the kinks on grass and try to get the feel of it again. I also wouldn't read too much into his form at the moment. Just playing on grass will be good for him.

Nativenewyorker , 6/20/13 8:16 PM


I don't agree, being 'one of the greats or the greatest' is not the same as being THE GREATEST.
GOAT means that ie that one is better than all others before (the AT part of the acronym)
Both parts of the Fedal yawn-machine are already of the greats.
If its subjective then why use it at all?
Why not relax and accept the players as deserving greats than all of this crass hyperbole?
And really Rafa cannot be the GOAT anyway.
The numbers don't stack up beyond clay (where his stats are so outrageous one can say he is a kind of GOAT)
The end :)

Twinge , 6/20/13 8:57 PM


You completely missed my point. I wasn't clear enough.

For me, there is one GOAT and that is Rafa. His achievements have impressed me above all other players. It was Fed before that and Sampras before Fed.

As with any other sport, people will agree and disagree subjectively.

It must be subjective as there is no objective, absolute set of rules.

Twinge, do you have a favourite flavour of ice cream, or maybe more applicable, brand of scotch? If your opinion is subjective, then why use it at all. Just drink cough syrup.

I am relaxed.

I respect opinions of those that believe Fed or Laver is GOAT. It is their opinion. Or for that matter, I respect anyone who can't bear the thought that there is a player whose impressed them more than anyone else over the long term. Why not? It's their opinion.

BTW, chocolate ice cream is the greatest of all time. But if some of you prefer vanilla, I guess I'll just avoid all this crass hyperbole and eat strawberry from now on.

;)

#GOATpolice
#RafaGOAT

Conspirator , 6/20/13 9:38 PM


The word GOAT is used in culture as an objective standard
Rafa to you is 'the goat'
But really he's just your goat.
I get that now
Not THE GOAT.
However There are objective standards to judge goatdom beyond personal preference ie stats, slams etc
And the word is almost always meant objectively when used in the media and here also.

Twinge , 6/20/13 10:05 PM


If you want to have a tennis GOAT debate, have a tennis GOAT debate. And the debate is tennis GOAT in general. So also the surface on which all people in Europe learn to play tennis and play tennis outdoors counts. It's called CLAY people and Europeans (Nadal, Federer) play on it to see who is better.

Why a GOAT debate? None of the Nadal fans started the GOAT debate. But I will have the debate, when the wrong player is appointed GOAT. I remember it started around the time that Federer was about to equal Sampras' 14 Majors record. It was fed surely by the fact that a very weak era was taking place at the same time (not many people unfortunately realized it at that time, but the indications were there, look at what happened at RG 2003). Federer was winning almost everything, so people thought 'He is a Winner' not realizing that the majority of the top 10 consisted of relative Losers (all due respect to those Hewitts, Roddicks and Nalbandians out there).
Federer's sponsors, like Rolex, a brand that only wants to be associated with the absolute best (check out their marketing policy to verify this), played a big role too. And it worked. I was in New York City at the time of the 2005, 2006 and 2007 US Open and my NY friends made statements like 'Is the Great Roger Federer going to take this one'? I am an Ali fan and he is the Greatest, so I got annoyed. These New Yorkers preferred the so called Greatest to win instead of their home boy Andy.

I was pissed off about this over-admiration basically from the get-go. Why? 1) I thought Federer was great, but not very great. If a 35-year old Agassi could challenge him and a teenage Nadal could kick his #ss, he might be great, but certainly not the greatest (also considering that Sampras had always owned a prime Agassi) 2) His attitude after a loss. Federer, during the weak era, would be rude to journalists and hardly give any credit to someone who beat him. In other words, he started to act as if he believed he himself was the GOAT. The over-admiration led to arrogance. 3) I prefer humble champs. In comes....

Around 2008, Federer's 14th major came into sight (remember, he was in the final of basically every major, every year). Journalists all over the world started to repeat the mantra: he must be the GOAT, and when he gets his 14th major, he surely is the GOAT. Fans loved it.

But then the Nadal subject turned from an issue, into a Major Problem. Wimbledon 2008 was the jab and the 2009 Aussie Open was the straight right that finished it off nicely. Tears and disbelief all over the place. It's tough to accept for all those people who thought it necessary to call Roger the GOAT for years (THEY started this nonsense all together) - but at the rate Nadal is going - this medal of honor has to be taken off soon. It's going to Manacor. And yes, "it hurts so much".

Lesson from all this? Only start calling someone the GOAT at the end of his career, when he beat all his competitors (has a leading H2H, especially in majors), has all the important records AND no other active player is anywhere near taking this GOAT status away (let alone someone has a winning H2H of 20-10 against your GOAT candidate). PS For SEO purposes: Rafael Nadal is the Greatest of All Time (Rafa Nadal the GOAT).

JBeer , 6/20/13 10:15 PM


@JBeer,

It's easy to fall into the trap that some Fed fans set with this GOAT debate. No matter what you say, no matter what arguments you present, they will always say that Fed is the GOAT.

That's why I don't bother to get involved in that discussion. Also, the Fed fans conveniently forget that Rafa didn't turn pro until three years after Fed. So they are comparing Rafa to a player who had a three year head start.

There is no GOAT. There can never be a GOAT. Some Fed fans need it because it builds up their own lack of self-esteem. They live vicariously through Fed. If he is the best, then they can bask in his reflected glory.

Once Rafa and Fed retire, then their achievements in this sport can be analyzed and discussed. For myself, they will both be included in the select group of the greatest to ever play this sport.

Nativenewyorker , 6/20/13 10:23 PM


No twinge. Rafa is the GOAT as I've already explained.

JBeer explained it so much better than I did.

Well said. +1 and then some.

I take it all back. It is the absolute truth for which there is no debate.

#VamosGOAT

Conspirator , 6/20/13 10:29 PM


You are flipping your flop conspirator!
Believe what you want bitches!
As long as you all retire soon I won't mind
:)

Twinge , 6/20/13 10:41 PM


'He has never won the year end tournement...'

So what?
A 3 setter exhibition of tired players cannot compare to a 2 week 5 setter tournament
WTF is given its due for what it is.
It's never prominent on the cv's of players including on tv prior to the matches, and that should tell you enough 'sweet' 17.

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:10 PM


Red Clay GOAT : Nadal with Borg second
Grass GOAT : Fed/Sampras
Hard Court GOAT : Fed/Sampras with Agassi third
Indoor GOAT : Fed (really I didn't see many indoor matches in the '80s because tv coverage was limited)

chr18 , 6/20/13 11:14 PM


AO GOAT : Agassi/Fed/Djoker. Djoker will take this individually soon
FO GOAT : Nadal then Borg
Wimbledon GOAT : Fed/Sampras
USO GOAT : Fed/Sampras/Agassi
TMC/WTF GOAT : Fed with Lendl second

chr18 , 6/20/13 11:19 PM


^^^yes, but being one of a small number of goats on any one surface is not the same as being 'LE GOAT' of course.....

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:24 PM


Which is why Rafa can never be the GOAT
Too specialist.
But he sure has brought the so called GOAT into question
Terminally so in my view
And stfu about the god damn WTF
Honestly who cares about it?
Just a bit of fun that's all.

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:28 PM


Lol, goats are so funny and cute, they'll nibble on your shoes too.
But beware
For they are the DEVIL's servants on earth!

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:37 PM


Tennis players care about winning....
End of.

Twinge , 6/20/13 11:48 PM


Haha Rafa's Slam winning rate has slowed down? He won his last major. On average he wins a stunning 35 percent of the majors he enters into (ahead of any of the competiton including cry-Goat). Out of his last 4 majors played, he won 2 (and 1 runner up). Now tell me, what's wrong with his rate lately? Any other player taking 2 out their last 4 played. Look at his career average, he is taking the crown.

JBeer , 6/21/13 12:09 AM


Nativenewyorker , 6/21/13 12:22 AM


I think we'll find the 'luck' of the draw will place rafa and daveed in the same quarter.

Just watch and be amazed ;)

alex , 6/21/13 12:53 AM


^^^i have heard on good authority that Davydenko considers the WTF a major too.
So there you have it
This thread is a WRAP!

Twinge , 6/21/13 1:17 AM


For the stat geeks : 67% of Nadal's majors are FO. Sans FO he has 4, hardly 'Le GOAT' stats. Even without the Wimbledons which account for 41% of his total, Fed still would have 10. When Nadal gets 4-6 more non-FO majors he'll have a chance. If the Djoker can win 2 FO along with a few more Wimbledons and USO he too will have a chance.

chr18 , 6/21/13 1:34 AM


'Indoor GOAT : Fed (really I didn't see many indoor matches in the '80s because tv coverage was limited)'

Actually that has affected it somewhat, Roger is fifth on career so maybe he isn't the indoor goat despite the larger prizes won.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Reliability-Zone/Reliability-Indoo r-Career-List.aspx

Twinge , 6/21/13 2:06 AM


In fact he is not...

Twinge , 6/21/13 2:35 AM


Twinge, 6/21/13 1:17 AM,

You seem to be on fire today! :)

Nativenewyorker , 6/21/13 4:12 AM


rafaisthebest, 6/20/13 6:50 PM

HAHAHAHA you idiots crack me up.

ts38 , 6/21/13 4:35 AM


Tsk, task, ts38, clearly you didn't think about the implications before typing did you? I am hoping the tennis Gods deliver another cakewalk draw, ala IW, with Fed as the cherry on top!

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 7:13 AM


@JBeer 10:15PM, salute! Well said, thank you.

*claps*

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 7:29 AM


JBeer, thank you.

I distinctly remember commies bemoaning the fact year after year that if only Fed could win RG then no one would dispute his GOATness. Year after year they picked him to win and year after year the clay genius won the crown. Until 2009 when the door opened forhimand he didn't have to beat the matador.

How ridiculous is it to appoint someone the GOAT when he's won just one title on one of the 4 slams? Rafans celebrate his achievements but crowning him the GOAT is going too far.

Federer holds the record for winning the most slams, end of. That does not translate into the greatest player to ever play the game when he is owned by one of his peers.

nadline , 6/21/13 8:21 AM


The tards are all over the place again, same as before RG...enjoy your stay out here guys, before you crawl back to your dungeons. After the qtrs of Wimby?

phoenix , 6/21/13 8:24 AM


UK sports reporters say Murray is waiting in trepidation to find out where the Great Rafael Nadal will fall in the draw because his task would be much harder if he has to play Rafa in the Qtrs.

Evidently, no one cares where the so called GOAT will be in the draw, and this isn't even clay. The King of Clay is feared more at Wimbledon than the 7 times Wimbledon champion.


#GOTE
#Vamos Champ

nadline , 6/21/13 8:33 AM


To be fair, the GOAT argument from Fedfans these days is more a desperate plea for recognition than absolute conviction. They know, "the barbarian" is at the gate.......

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 8:36 AM


Lol "Uk sports reporters" with a hot line to what Andy is feeling *eye roll.*

deuce , 6/21/13 8:36 AM


I think there is desperation plus intense anger in the pleas of the Fed fans these days. They are not happy campers! I don't blame them either, what with a healthy Rafa having nothing to defend for the rest of the year!

Nativenewyorker , 6/21/13 8:40 AM


deuce, they spoke to Andy and play a short clip of it on SKY, and he sounded very apprehensive at the prospect of meeting the King of Clay on grass.

Why are we not discussing where the 7 times champion will be in the draw. All the attention is on the #5 seed who is supposed to be a clay court specialist! You couldn't make it up. Even the King of Grass is scared of the King of Clay in his own Kingdom.

nadline , 6/21/13 8:47 AM


guys forget about this arguments :D heat is the champion :D hurray :D

rafaelo , 6/21/13 8:53 AM


Everyone fears the King of Clay on grass.

nadline , 6/21/13 8:55 AM


Nadline, agreed. However, when they crown the wrong player GOAT, I might as well bring forward the better candidate. Within 3-5 years, the discussion is closed.

JBeer , 6/21/13 9:04 AM


Sky Sports says it's a big day for Andy Murray because he is going to find out in a couple of hours if he'll have to play Rafael Nadal in the quarterfinal, which means he'll have to play Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic on his way to the title because Nadal is seeded 5.

Murray says every one of the top 4 seeds will have to get to the quarterfinals first to have to meet Nadal and he would sign up to it now if he was guaranteed to reach the quarter final no matter who he has to play there.


#The King of Clay rules on grass

nadline , 6/21/13 9:31 AM


6/21/13 8:55 AM,

Yeah, they are scared to death.

sabs , 6/21/13 9:51 AM


Hoping for a Nole-RAFA QF, FED- RAFA SF and Andy-FED Final.

sabs , 6/21/13 10:04 AM


Rafa is the topic of conversation at Wimbledon not Federer or even the world #1 but the King of Clay. Hopefully, the King of clay will have a cupcake draw with Federer being the icing on the cake a la ts20.

nadline , 6/21/13 10:06 AM


Hoping for a RAFA-FED QF, RAFA-ANDY SF and RAFA-NOLE Final.

Can't wait for the draw...

phoenix , 6/21/13 10:17 AM


Andy was the topic of conversation during last USO, just because fans were curious to know whom will he play in SFs, Roger or Nole. dont spice up things in insane terms.

As far as articles about Wimby is concerned Andy is the hot topic, people are talking about his chances, certainly not about RAFA's chances. Not many are picking RAFA to win either.

sabs , 6/21/13 10:18 AM


sabs, it's futile discussing facts with you. I'll leave you in cloud cuckoo land.

nadline , 6/21/13 10:25 AM


...and why is the defending champ history in the making 8 wimby not the topic of conversation?

phoenix , 6/21/13 10:29 AM


Lol "Uk sports reporters" with a hot line to what Andy is feeling *eye roll.*

Indeed, but Nadline can't help it, although at this point she is spinning around like a whirling dervish with these
Trashy, Repetitious, anxiety filled posts, the poor woman cant help herself!
I hope she doesn't suffer a prolapse as the tournament has even begun yet!

Twinge , 6/21/13 10:50 AM


Rafa is in the bottom half of the draw with Fed.

nadline , 6/21/13 11:02 AM


Rafa vs Fed in the Qtrs in Murray's half, so Djoker ends up with just Ferru.

nadline , 6/21/13 11:06 AM


Another cupcake draw for djokovic. What a joke.

willmw101 , 6/21/13 11:07 AM


DREAM draw for djokovic, easiest path to the finals in grand slam history.

willmw101 , 6/21/13 11:09 AM


Fed vs Murray sf, Djoko vs Ferrer, QF RAFA vs ROGER!!!!!! Djoko vs Berdy, Ferrer vs Delpo, Murray vs Tsonga, !!!! Damn ferrer doesnt even deserve the no4 seed but has the best draw. Fed has a BRUTAL draw

rfnadal23 , 6/21/13 11:12 AM


Rafa vs Fed in the Qtrs in Murray's half, so Djoker ends up with just Ferru.
nadline, 6/21/13 11:06 AM

Exactly my wish nadline...i hope i don't run out of wishes. :-)

phoenix , 6/21/13 11:13 AM


Hope here after draw rigging comments will not pop up here.

sabs , 6/21/13 11:13 AM


Rafa will play Steve Darcis in the 1st round.

nadline , 6/21/13 11:17 AM


So Rafa will have to go through all 3 then
Correct?

Twinge , 6/21/13 11:17 AM


Both Roger and RAFA will have to go through other three slam winners.

sabs , 6/21/13 11:19 AM


Hewitt vs Wawa in 1st round.

nadline , 6/21/13 11:19 AM


Fed vs Hanescu

nadline , 6/21/13 11:21 AM


Fed might play Rosol??

willmw101 , 6/21/13 11:21 AM


While Novak just has to go through little Ferrer, the Spanish terrier.....
Result!

Twinge , 6/21/13 11:23 AM


Still Andy is the favourite to win Wimby 2013

sabs , 6/21/13 11:23 AM


Murray vs Becker

nadline , 6/21/13 11:24 AM


Shouldn't you have ended that last post with a '?'Sabs?

Twinge , 6/21/13 11:26 AM


That draw is a disgrace to actual form and ability. Ridiculous that Djokovic should only have to play Ferrer.

willmw101 , 6/21/13 11:26 AM


this djoker's draw is crazy!!!!! I don't know why are draws always so rude to rafa? :(((

rafaelo , 6/21/13 11:28 AM


Guess who has drawn the short straw in the Qtrs? The matador will not be worried at all.


#bring it on.

nadline , 6/21/13 11:29 AM


Tough for Rafa, tough for Fed, but that's life...bring it on. Vamos!

phoenix , 6/21/13 11:30 AM


No Twinge, I really believe Andy will win this time.

This year we will get to see somany (potential) great matches, heavyweight SF,QFs, Rnd 4s etc.
Mounth watering grandslam indeed, thats why it is rated as the best.

sabs , 6/21/13 11:30 AM


LOL at Federer - Rosol 3rd round.

willmw101 , 6/21/13 11:35 AM


Djokovic will roll over Ferrer in the semis if the 2 men meet at that stage. Berdych is not a threat either, as his form has been awful. So Djokovic will cruise into the final. The question is who he will face at that stage.b

tj600 , 6/21/13 11:36 AM


hmmmm, i smell conspiracy against the fedal...:-)

phoenix , 6/21/13 11:36 AM


Federer wanted Rafa as #5 seed, now he has got him, literally. Be careful what you wish for. If Rafa wins this Wimby with the draw he has got, I will join @Conspirator and crown him GOAT, caution be damned!

Vamos!

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 11:37 AM


Not so sure Djoker is a lock for the final. There are a few pitfalls in his path.

nadline , 6/21/13 11:39 AM


no chance rafa's going to win wimby:

Best case scenario he does manage to beat fed and murray he'll be exhausted for the final and djokovic will be fresh.

Worst case he'll get beaten by fed in the slick, fast indoor conditions of centre court because of the rain.

willmw101 , 6/21/13 11:39 AM


Fed fans will cherish a possible QF with RAFA @Wimby CC.
Honestly Wimby is most suitable place for a slam win against RAFA.

Fed will have to fight this one and show us his great grass court skills, if he goes down here to RAFA then he should retire. Dont just hang around for 70+ Million USD alone.

sabs , 6/21/13 11:40 AM


I wouldn't write Berdych off he beat Djokovic at Wimby in 2010.

nadline , 6/21/13 11:41 AM


^^ Berdych will lose in straights.

willmw101 , 6/21/13 11:43 AM


Looks like TT moderators are not interested at all, there is no live chat window for Wimby draws. Especially when somany interested poeple commenting about the draws.

sabs , 6/21/13 11:44 AM


Coming from you, willmw101, that is a ringing endorsement of Rafa's chances. I'm putting the champers on ice!

Hehehe!

Vamos!

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 11:45 AM


Berdych was having a dream run at that tournament. It's not the sort of form he shows on a regular basis.(It's pretty rare actually) On top of that, Djokovic was not the same player back then that he is today. Berdych did beat Djokovic in Rome(although that was an inexplicable choke from Nole-can't see that repeating at a slam) so he has a small chance, but it is highly unlikely.

tj600 , 6/21/13 11:46 AM


^^ Jinxes everywhere ;)

willmw101 , 6/21/13 11:46 AM


At least Rafa's half will play first.

nadline , 6/21/13 11:52 AM


Conspirator must be realigning his telescope and going through his numerology again - or maybe there's been a change in the beneficiary of rigged draws...

Shireling , 6/21/13 12:04 PM


With the draw Djokovic has got he really should get to the final, the main question is who's gonna play him!?

rbennett , 6/21/13 12:12 PM


Where is @abhirf? He must be ecstatic that Fed is slated to play the #5 seed in the quarters!

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 12:13 PM


^^^ Andy Murray

sabs , 6/21/13 12:14 PM


Rafa has played Steve Darcis before, hard court Doha 2010 and he beat him 6-1, 2-0 after Darcis retired.

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 12:50 PM


anything after wawrinka is a good result for me!

rafaelo , 6/21/13 1:02 PM


What Rafa has already achieved this year is nothing short of a miracle. For my part it is enough that he won an 8th title at the tournament closest to his heart. Hoping for another Channel Slam is just being greedy :-D

ed251137 , 6/21/13 1:03 PM


I'm sure no fan is being greedy by wanting their favourite player to win everything tournament they enter. Sport is about winning it's not about sharing.

nadline , 6/21/13 1:09 PM


Fedal shall not have the luxury of sharing anything except DEFEAT!
lol sorry, i couldn't resist it

Twinge , 6/21/13 1:17 PM


All the best made plans. They thought they had a watertight formula but they've ended up with the 2 biggest achievers at Wimbledon in the last decade facing up each other in the Qtrs.

#laughable
#Rafa will be smiling

nadline , 6/21/13 1:23 PM


The operative word being....`last`
;)

Twinge , 6/21/13 1:24 PM


Well, we had a similar scenario at IW didn't we? And we all know how that turned out.....

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 1:34 PM


^^^Exactly. Some people are burying their head in the sand.

nadline , 6/21/13 1:37 PM


Nadline: I assume you did notice the :-D

Even you have to admit a Wimbledon crown is a tall order this particular year.

ed251137 , 6/21/13 1:44 PM


I don't see Berdy and Delpo making the sf and final.

chr18 , 6/21/13 1:45 PM


Sorry ed, I don't think it's a tall order by any stretch of the imagination that Rafa could win Wimbledon this year. He is the YTD #1 and the only player to have a positive h2h against the top 30, plus a 73:34 h2h against the top 4 seeds. He is 3:0 against Murray at Wimbledon, 1:2 against Fed and 2:1 against Djoko.

Explain to me why you think it's a tall order. I'm curious.

nadline , 6/21/13 1:51 PM


Novak is my pick for Wimbledon this year. The main reason I think this is due to his extremely easy draw prior to the final.(he won't meet a big 4 member prior to the final).

tj600 , 6/21/13 1:54 PM


^^^But he could meet a Big 4 member in the final and there is no guarantee that anyone will make the final.

nadline , 6/21/13 1:56 PM


As for picking the winner, that's a complete waste of time. I wish all those who picked Djoker for RG bet their house on it.

nadline , 6/21/13 2:01 PM


I actually think Andy has a better draw than Novak,
I wouldn't want him to be so untested to get to a final anyway and even though Andy has not won Wimbles and Novak has, I just think he has an overall better grass court game.
He also `only` has to beat 2 of the big 4 seedings wise, whereas fedal will potentially have to beat 3, but it could open up for any of them.
It usually does

Twinge , 6/21/13 2:36 PM


Twingey, I never worry about draws. I've seen Andy win tournaments with "tough" draws and lose them with so-called easy ones, que sera.
All I know is, Andy has a mighty fine record of getting to slam finals these days, except clay of course.
You've gotta be in it to win it.
Let's Go Andy :)

deuce , 6/21/13 2:45 PM


+1 to what tj600 said.

I agree Nole got an easy draw, but as the No.1 player in the world, he deserves to get the easiest draw of the top 4.

Unless Roger/Andy makes it to the final, you could as well handover the trophy to Nole right now. I still remember how he flogged rafa in the 2011 final. He absolutely thrashed him. It was a total massacre and uncle toni's illegal coaching could win a 3rd set for Rafa, but novak righted the ship and got the title.

Let the real tennis season begin.

Fedkovic23 , 6/21/13 2:49 PM


Nadline: Of course he COULD but I am not as convinced as you he WILL win.
Wimbledon has always been the most unpredictable of the Slams and H2H stats have even less relevance to the outcome than usual.

Bearing in mind the intensity of the past few months since his comeback, culminating in what must have been one of the most emotionally and physically draining RGs he has ever played, there is a question mark in my mind as to whether he has sufficient resources to draw upon to win a second Slam in the space of two weeks.

Like i said, it is a big ask. If he does do it then I really will start believing in miracles.

ed251137 , 6/21/13 2:57 PM


When somebody other than Rafa wins, it will be the triumph of real tennis.

When Rafa wins, it will be because the grass played like clay in the final days.

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 2:59 PM


ed, NOWHERE have I said Rafa WILL win Wimbledon, I just don't agree with you that it's a tall order.

nadline , 6/21/13 3:05 PM


'I agree Nole got an easy draw, but as the No.1 player in the world, he deserves to get the easiest draw of the top 4...'

Spoken like a fed fan really.
if he is world number 1 he shouldn't need an easy draw,
Anyway it is done.

Twinge , 6/21/13 3:08 PM


I know people like to ignore the h2h if it doesn't suit their purpose. Wimbledon is no more unpredictable than any other slam. One person has won it 7 times, 2 players have made the final 5 or more times in the last 10 years.

It's easy to dismiss as irrelevant stats that don't suit.

nadline , 6/21/13 3:08 PM


Those who hope Murray will win the title are doing their best to run Rafa out of the picture.

nadline , 6/21/13 3:12 PM


'Bearing in mind the intensity of the past few months since his comeback, culminating in what must have been one of the most emotionally and physically draining RGs he has ever played, there is a question mark in my mind as to whether he has sufficient resources to draw upon to win a second Slam in the space of two weeks..'

This is my view exactly,
Rafa has come back from injury (?) or resting or whatever and has had a far longer clay court season than before and now he's expected to win the channel slam after been taken further than he ever has in the final of RG and all those other finals (9!) too and then potentially taking out 3 of the top 4?
Well if anyone can do it it would be him, but I would be awfully surprised if he did.

Twinge , 6/21/13 3:12 PM


You know you are toast when your fans write you an eulogy instead of your prospects in an impending tournament:

http://espn.go.com/tennis/wimbledon13/story/_/id/940646 4/wimbledon-decade-king-roger-federer%19s-journey

rafaisthebest , 6/21/13 3:13 PM


ed, what I said was
"I'm sure no fan is being greedy by wanting their favourite player to win everything tournament they enter. Sport is about winning it's not about sharing."


Wanting your favourite player to win is not the same as saying he WILL win. I thought every fan would WANT their favourite to win every time.

nadline , 6/21/13 3:17 PM


tj600, 6/21/13 1:54 PM

Agreed. Just based on potential difficult rounds on paper, Nole is the favourite here.

Yes, they all have to make it to the later rounds for these matchups to be realized but the other three may have to go through three of the true Top Four to win and, relatively speaking, that is a tall order compared to Nole's potential task.

This was a truly random draw. Hoping the days of fixed draws are done. Believe it when I see the next draws from the worse offenders USO and FO.

Fed has the toughest draw. Then Rafa, Muzz and Nole.

For Rosol to beat Fed (or anyone in the Top 8), Fed would have to be injured.

Here's hoping the roof is broken.

Should be a fun fortnight.

#VamosGOAT

Conspirator , 6/21/13 4:10 PM


Ooops, Muzzard would only have to face a maximum of two current greats. My bad.

#OutdoorTennisIsTheBest

Conspirator , 6/21/13 4:12 PM


ed thinks it would be a miracle for Rafa to even think of winning Wimby because he swept the clay season barring MC. How many times has Rafa not swept the clay season and made it to the final of Wimby and winning it twice. He's won RG and Wimby in the same year twice, a feat not many can claim.


#Vamos Rafa

nadline , 6/21/13 5:02 PM


Well said Nadline

venkianz , 6/21/13 5:25 PM


Rafa won the exhibition match 7-6(3), 7-6(?) against Kei Nishikori at the Hurlingham Club. Twitter: "Both played well".

Well done, Rafa!

Augustina08 , 6/21/13 5:32 PM


Nadline@5:02PM

Don't imagine for a moment I am not aware of the space between your words.

ed251137 , 6/21/13 6:10 PM


Don't worry ed, she doesn't. She counts on it. ;)

Conspirator , 6/21/13 6:26 PM


idiot.

Raindrops , 6/21/13 6:51 PM


Raindrops: Hope you're brushing up on the 'go away' technique for the second week ;-)

ed251137 , 6/21/13 7:00 PM


I am preparing the best I can ed. Don't you you worry i'll be around the next full two weeks.

Raindrops , 6/21/13 7:03 PM


@ed,

I just got here to see the news. You are just being realistic in your comments. This will be a tough challenge for Rafa. I would love to see him do it, make no mistake about it! I just believe in being honest about what it means to beat the top three consecutively. It's not that Rafa can't do it. But it's dishonest to say that it won't be a tall order. That's just giving respect to the other top players.

That's exactly what Rafa always does - gives respect to his opponents.

Nativenewyorker , 6/21/13 8:05 PM


I was actually laughing at you calling me a Federatti, whatever the hell that means.

ts38 , 6/21/13 8:12 PM


"now he's expected to win the channel slam after been taken further than he ever has in the final of RG"

Rafa won the final of RG in 3 sets. Taken further than he ever has been???? I think not. Unless of course you are referring to the SF with Novak, in which case do you REALLY think that a five setter that didn't stop him from winning his 8th FO title two days later will hamper his chances at Wimbledon three weeks later? That's beyond clutching at straws and you know it.

TuesdayChild , 6/22/13 12:41 AM


I obviously meant the 'real final' ie the semi final
Sorry I won't be pandering to your wishful thinking,
Lets see how it plays out oh wise one.
Oh and I'm pretty sure his 2nd round bomb out last year was due to the stresses of dealing with Novak among other things.
This CC season has been enormous.
This is a straight forward analysis and my track record is pretty good so far.
If you think a channel slam under these circumstances is likely and I'm the one clutching at straws oh well that's why 'fans' are called fans isn't it?
He's got a shot however...

Twinge , 6/22/13 1:13 AM


Twinge @ 6/21 and 3:08 pm.

Do you know how draws are done in sports? no.1 team plays no. 16 in 4th round or 8th in quarters and so on. I am sorry, but that is how it is supposed to be. The whole point of the seeding system is to help the top players be protect from the unseeded.

Given that, your logic that no.1 player should have toughest possible opponents holds no water. I have no problems with a Nole-Andy 1st round, with winner meeting winner of fedal, in 2nd round.

They did that in AO 2012. Guess who won? :)


"Rafa has come back from injury (?) or resting or whatever and has had a far longer clay court season than before and now he's expected to win the channel slam after been taken further than he ever has in the final of RG and all those other finals (9!) too and then potentially taking out 3 of the top 4? - "

@Twinge : Good that other people can see the "injury" for what it is. Let us not forget that kneedal got spanked big time in the 2nd round by a guy ranked 100. Yes! 100. I can't think when that happened to Nole/Fed. Do you remember when/if murray lost to a top 100 player. Or maybe even ferrer - when did ferrer lose to a 100th ranked player in a GS?

Anyone who knows their tennis? Cheryl? Ricky?

Answer will be given tomorrow if no one is upto the tennis trivia challenge.

Fedkovic23 , 6/22/13 4:26 AM


Oh you are here Fedkovic...before we go into the tennis trivia challenge, what's the answer to your H2H quiz?

phoenix , 6/22/13 5:58 AM


No Twinge, your track record has been woeful to-date. You first wrote off Rafa' chances of coming back to the top after his injury lay-off, he is now leading in the Race to London by a wide margin. ou predicted Novak would win Rome, Rafa did. You predicted Novak would win RG, Rafa did. You predicted Muzza would be a force on clay, we all know how that turned out.

You may turn out to be correct about Wimby, but you have not been on the money recently.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 7:12 AM


rafaisthebest, 6/21/13 12:13 PM
Yes I'm really happy that Fed drew the no. 5 seed. Rafa is definitely more susceptible for a loss in quarters than in semi or final. I would have been more happier had Fed-Rafa been a 1st or 2nd rd match.
Anyways as far as things stand, it is Rafa's match to lose. And its not Rafa with a tough draw. Nole or Andy would have been counted as much tougher opponent than Fed. At the moment even Berdych and Tsonga are far better than Fed.
Yeah I know that Fed is at home at grass, but please guys, the man is well past his prime and probably in the worst form of his life and his age isnt helping him either. If he would have been 27 or 28, I would have zeroed on him to win the trophy.
Still, I would give Fed some chance to win against Rafa even though its less than 5% roof closed or not ( yes, Fed doesnt need a roof if he can still play his best). I would really love if Fed of last year's final does turn up.
and yeah to some of you who have been saying that even if Fed wins against Rafa, he would be toasted in the semi, then mark my words, IF Fed does beat Rafa then neither Nole nor Muzz can stop TMF. Fed will be full of confidence to go down against them.

abhirf , 6/22/13 7:54 AM


Thanks @abhirf for your response. Please ignore my post on another thread asking you your opinion on the same.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 8:23 AM


@abhirf, disagree on the following:

1. Rafa's form in the quarters. Quarters come in the 2nd week, he will be well adjusted then, not,like the 1st week. I do not see Fed beating Rafa.
2. If by some freak of happenstance Fed beats Rafa, he will fall to Muzza because he does not have the required stamina anymore. Look what happened at RG after Simon stretched him, he was easy pickings for Tsonga. You can be sure if Rafa goes down to Fed, he will have gone down with a fight, taking a big toll on Fed.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 8:29 AM


^^^ You are entitled to your own opinions as I am. Btw, for your 1st objection didnt I mentioned in my post that, I would have been more happier if the same would have happened in 1st or 2nd rd. also it's the energy with which rafa plays the semis and finals that made me remark about his Qf match rather than adjustments.
And as far as your 2nd objection stands, I dont think Fed will like to lose his title to Nole or Muzz after beating Rafa. ( of course its just my opinion.)

abhirf , 6/22/13 8:39 AM


And to all the guys talking about roof and it's benefits to Fed
P.S: As long as Fed can play at even his 75-80% on Grass, he doesnt need a roof to beat anyone. And to those citing last year's final, Fed had already levelled the match with his supreme play in the 2nd, and he broke down murrays resilience in that epic game. Muzz too was playing very well after the roof came on until Fed broke him. Muzz has probably played more matches than Fed under the roof and as far as I know he too is a great player indoors. So this whole roof talk becomes a bit absurd.

abhirf , 6/22/13 8:50 AM


As long as Fed can play at even his 75-80% on Grass, he doesnt need a roof to beat anyone DURING HIS PEAK YEARS...We are now year 2013 in case someone failed to notice.

phoenix , 6/22/13 9:03 AM


@abhirf, I ignored your comment about wishing Fed and Rafa's meeting would have been in the 1st and 2nd round because it is outside the realm of normal conjecture. When have you ever seen top 10 players meeting in the 1st or 2nd rounds of any tournament, never mind Slams? It is not possible. However, if it is a fantasy of yours, you are entitled to it, not everybody has to participate in it.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 9:14 AM


@phoenix, Fed's slow decline is difficult for a lot of his fans to accept. For them, it is like a death in the family, Fed's fans have to go through the 5 stages of grief:

Denial;
Anger;
Bargaining;
Depression; and

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 9:19 AM


.....Acceptance.

All not necessarily in that order.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 9:21 AM


@rafaisthebest, 6/22/13 9:14 AM
--- When have you ever seen top 10 players meeting in the 1st or 2nd rounds of any tournament, never mind Slams? It is not possible. ---

Yes! All the seeded players can't meet each other in the 1st and 2nd rounds of GS tournaments.

Augustina08 , 6/22/13 11:45 AM


@abhirf, 6/22/13 8:39 AM

Seeds ## 1 - 4 can't meet seeds ## 5 - 8 before QFs.


Augustina08 , 6/22/13 11:53 AM


No Twinge, your track record has been woeful to-date. You first wrote off Rafa' chances of coming back to the top after his injury lay-off, he is now leading in the Race to London by a wide margin. ou predicted Novak would win Rome, Rafa did. You predicted Novak would win RG, Rafa did. You predicted Muzza would be a force on clay, we all know how that turned out.

Oh haha,
I can't even remember any of that.
I would like to see where's I consistently said Murray would be a force on the clay, because that is not my view, maybe in a few years towards the end of his career.
Hoped yes but nothing more.
This is just more resentment from Nadal fans who think we all should be fans of Rafa when I am never going to be one, I look forward to him (& Federer) going in fact.
Particularly Federer.
Also his curious return from injury makes me wonder just how injured he actually was.
Did anyone predict such a strong comeback? oh wait maybe you did!
Del potro had a wrist injury and disappeared for a year and a half, he still hasn't got back to where he was.
Nadal comes back and he wins a slam and 9 tournaments.
Of course people like yourself think he will win everything as in last year when you said to me he was going to win all four slams, I deal with the logic of the situation but sport like life doesn't have to follow the logic.
Life's full of little surprises isn't it?

Twinge , 6/22/13 12:49 PM


Oh and Novak didn't win but he came awfully close this time, didn't he?

Twinge , 6/22/13 12:54 PM


'And to all the guys talking about roof and it's benefits to Fed
P.S: As long as Fed can play at even his 75-80% on Grass, he doesnt need a roof to beat anyone. And to those citing last year's final, Fed had already levelled the match with his supreme play in the 2nd, and he broke down murrays resilience in that epic game..'

Fed won that match and was helped by the closing of the roof.
Nowadays if he can ie his attempt at Shanghai he will get the roof on.
He plays better with the roof on, it's an advantage for him which is fine.
Andy can now (although it wasn't all away so) use the wind to his benefit.
Murray also lost the match due to his lack of a mental edge and he will come a cropper again if he hasn't gotten over this yet should he make the final.

Twinge , 6/22/13 1:05 PM


Oh no, you are not jumping onto the Fedfan bandwagon of doubting Rafa's injury caused absence, are you? Please don't tell me you are, please don't. Of course nobody, including Rafa and his team, thought this high level comeback possible, me included. But that does not mean the injury was not genuine. People react differently to treatments and people heal differently. If I recall correctly, Delpo had surgery and maybe this is why Rafa and his team resisted the surgery route.

Well, after he withdrew from Oz2013, I of course revised my predictions and said he will win 3 Slams. So far, my predictions are on schedule, let's see how Wimby pans out. I hope you will not join the inevitable Fedfan chorus of delving into whether he was injured at all, given his remarkable success!

Please, just accept that we are bearing witness to a remarkable sportsman, no need to slander him with innuendo.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 1:08 PM


^^^you say he will win 4 slams every year hahah!
But this time as he withdrew from one its down to 3
Well he won't and no I don't think that his need to leave (at least) the tour for long periods of time is not genuine but I'm less sure that we are hearing the full picture now,
You can't come back from a serious injury and do what he has done.
Clearly it wasn't as serious as originally thought.
As with many things Fedal are great at putting on a nice front for the masses,
Who lap up all of this well controlled rubbish like its beans on toast.
And how on earth is someone, with the health problems he has, going to take the US Open exactly?
Based on what, clearing up bush league clay tournaments, doing his (very impressive) usual in the clay in Europe, well not quite as impressive as Novak had something to say about it for sure.
Face it you're a fan girl that always makes these kind of 'predictions' still you think you can get in my face and tell me how woeful I am.
Oh well,
Lol
:-)

Twinge , 6/22/13 1:20 PM


No apologies for being a fan girl, guilty as charged. That does not mean I cannot be objective and call it as it is. Fact is, Rafa has surprised us all and he will continue to do so. Nobody thought he was going to play, let alone win on HC after his comeback. He played and won at IW while all the HC specialists fell like nine pins. Rafa will play and win at Flushing Meadows, you watch.

But first, Wimby. I believe the bottom half is playing on Monday. Let's see how our favs progress shall we, and then talk.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 1:31 PM


Objective?
Yeah right lol
Yes his team were 'amazed' we all were but I wasn't allowed to be according to your post.
I'm just wondering if you and your friend Nadline post from Porto Cristo as well paid shills for one of the sports key cash cows.
You have your moments however unlike the aforementioned.
I know someone who knows (or knew) the Nadal family btw
He told me during lunch recently,
He wouldn't tell me anything juicy about them however,
But one thing I know, when it comes to Fedal, unlike Andy,
What you see is not always what you get.

Twinge , 6/22/13 1:48 PM


Twinge,
Shame on you. It's a known fact Nadal was out with 'Jimmy Hoffa' Syndrome. ;)

chr18 , 6/22/13 1:48 PM


So if Andy makes a deep run at Wimby we can safely say that he did not have a dodgy back at all and he "like" Rafa was playing it strategically :D

vmk1 , 6/22/13 1:58 PM


See Twinge, you know you are on a slippery slope when a known Rafa hater like chr18 comes to your rescue. I don't think this is who you want to associate with.....this is a guy who told all and sundry that his new favorite tanked Madrid and Rome to save himself for RG. We are still waiting for his explanation of why his new fav lost RG........maybe he tanked it saving himself for Wimby!

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 1:59 PM


@Twinge, 6/22/13 12:49 PM
---Also his curious return from injury makes me wonder just how injured he actually was.---
It's Hoffa's syndrom (in his left knee) that has bothered him most. It means that the fat pad (aka Hoffa's Pad), which is situated behind the knee cap, becomes swollen due to the inflammation and, as a result, is getting impinged between the knee cap and thigh bone. It's very painful.

He had also tendonitis in his knees and a small tear in a tendon. According his doctors, his tendons have healed.
During all the months he was away from the tour, he worked out in gym. And he didn't forget how to play tennis (as he said).

Augustina08 , 6/22/13 2:01 PM


'See Twinge, you know you are on a slippery slope when a known Rafa hater like chr18 comes to your rescue..'

I don't need anyone's rescue dealing with you or anybody on this site ritb,
Trust me on that one..

Twinge , 6/22/13 2:05 PM


'So if Andy makes a deep run at Wimby we can safely say that he did not have a dodgy back at all and he "like" Rafa was playing it strategically :D

He did have a dodgy back!
As to the the situation you've laid out however
I'll take it vmk1!
And let the accusers take a spin
:-)

Twinge , 6/22/13 2:08 PM


Augustina,
You fell into the trap. It's Hoffer's Syndrome.

chr18 , 6/22/13 2:11 PM


Augustina08, you Re wasting your breath. Twinge and all know what Rafa's problem was, IN DETAIL. They deliberately choose to cast aspersions just to wind Rafans up........

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 2:12 PM


RITB..Please give yourself a rest and stop arguing with Twinge..

From past 3 months he/she is on an anti Rafa brigade spewing crap about Rafa and he says he is not a Rafa hater. 90% of his posts are about putting Rafa down, not sure why you even reasoning with him/her?

Let us focus on positive things pal and focus on Rafa and his incredible comeack and hope for better things for him.

Haters will be haters, cant do anything about it.

sanju , 6/22/13 2:22 PM


Ritb you do strike me as someone who believes everything you hear,
Rafa is not a religion he's just a tennis player,
Anyway I've heard various things on this but I'll take augutinas explanation.
But if you're out every year for months on end,
Your body is definitely telling you something
And it's not 3 slams on the trot, that's for sure.

Twinge , 6/22/13 2:24 PM


'From past 3 months he/she is on an anti Rafa brigade spewing crap about Rafa and he says he is not a Rafa hater. 90% of his posts are about putting Rafa down, not sure why you even reasoning with him/her?'

Sanju why don't you take your own advice on this and stop complaining about me being a hater etc?
It really is starting to get pathetic, I don't like Rafa I like another player
Get over it
I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear so stop projecting and deal with your own hang ups on the matter.

Twinge , 6/22/13 2:28 PM


@chr18, 6/22/13 2:11 PM
---You fell into the trap. It's Hoffer's Syndrome.---

Nope. I started to prepare my comment (I read again old articles) before your post.

Augustina08 , 6/22/13 2:44 PM


Hey Twinge : Tell you what . Murray did not have a bad back. He knew he had no chance in RG so he gave it a skip. He knows he can't win RG in his entire lifetime.

So, the back issue started coming up even in Madrid; just to get the excuse going. You know what this is an insider news; somebody very close to his family told me that ? Aren't you aware of that ? Really surprised.......

fedexal , 6/22/13 2:50 PM


I did not write to you Twinge..I wrote to RITB..you continue naa with your tirade..who is stopping you.

Even though I am a Rafa fan, I have not posted negative about Nole, Fed, Muzza on this site even a fraction of what anti Rafa folks do here. So yes I take my advise seriously. I love Rafa and respect the other 3 and I love watching all 4 go against each other on court cause its fascinating and competitive.

And for he record check ur own posts..You did project Rafa to go down at Rome n RG, you just are too surprised he did not stop and won it all, so now you casting doubts if he was injured in the first place. And you say you not a Rafa hater..oh come on..Not liking and hating are 2 different emotions and your posts almost border on as if u ahve an axe to grind with Rafas success :-).

Murray is a Rafa fanboy..I am sure since he watches Rafa so much and so closely, he will pick up all of Rafas good qualities and to add it Lendls coaching will help him too :-). I like Muzza by the way and like him more than Nole n Fed and mainly as Muzz adores Rafa :-) I really wouldnt mind Rafa losing to Muzza but ofcourse hope n wish he doesnt :-)

sanju , 6/22/13 2:51 PM


abhirf, what percentage playing level was Fed at in the '08 Wimby final?

Twinge, what is impressive about Rafa's performance regardless of the severity of his injury is that he was able to perform at such an outstandingly high level after no exposure to professional competition.

Conspirator , 6/22/13 2:57 PM


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jun/21/roger-federer-wimbledon


Fed has spoken :-)

sanju , 6/22/13 3:05 PM


FFS so what about Madrid or losing in RG?!
Is it hating hoping someone else wins at RG for a change?
Had the weather been colder it probably would have happened too.

'Ilike Muzza by the way and like him more than Nole n Fed and mainly as Muzz adores Rafa :-) I really wouldnt mind Rafa losing to Muzza but ofcourse hope n wish he doesnt :-)'

Oh dear lol
I think you need to get yourself a little friend Sanju, you like Murray because he 'adores' Rafa?
Haven't seen that one perhaps you know him better than we do, I think the adoration part is another of your little projections really. And honestly if that is the only reason you like Andy, then there isn't too much to say about someone like you is there?
I mean who cares?

Twinge , 6/22/13 3:08 PM


I dont care what you think about me Twinge..I give zilch importance to it. I am more happy talking with my fellow Rafans here, ..keep going at it and continue to frustrate yourself more and more as Rafa gains more success.

And Yea I always wish Andy well

And Andy being a Rafa fanboy is not my projection, its Andys own words I repeated. Guess you read far too little about Andy and are only focussed on your hate brigade about Rafa :-)

sanju , 6/22/13 3:13 PM


Hey Twinge : Tell you what . Murray did not have a bad back. He knew he had no chance in RG so he gave it a skip. He knows he can't win RG in his entire lifetime. '

You are now trying my patience Fedexal
We have already had this exchange before
I'll speak for all non Nadal fans and state that (with the exception of completing a grand slam)
RG is not the be all and end all of the tour.
There are other slams, so try another approach please.

Twinge , 6/22/13 3:13 PM


RG is not be all and end all of tour, neither is AO, Wimby, USO

They all give equal points (2000) to the winner and all are equally important but AO is the least among equals

sanju , 6/22/13 3:16 PM


rafaisthebest, 6/22/13 9:14 AM
Wow.. what a great piece of information as if I didnt knew that the top seeds cant meet in rd 1 or 2.
I said it becoz I thought you were thinking that somebody is afraid of meeting Rafa before the later stages of a tournament. I hope I have cleared myself on that point.

abhirf , 6/22/13 3:20 PM


'And Andy being a Rafa fanboy is not my projection, its Andys own words I repeated. Guess you read far too little about Andy and are only focussed on your hate brigade about Rafa :-)..'

Honestly you're full of it.
The top 4 do not 'adore' each ever.
They cannot.
It's all nonsense, unless you are the most shallow person in the world that is.
Andy has never went public (seriously) and stated he was a fan boy of anyone you silly person.
He has said that Rafa is his favourite to watch AFTER he beat him.
And they are all watching each other for obvious reasons.
Get real if it were up to any of them they would triple bagel each other every time!
All this adoration crap is very patronising also so go take your place with other ninnies here, well done!

Twinge , 6/22/13 3:23 PM


Augustina08, 6/22/13 11:53 AM

Hope that my 3:20pm post clears your doubt too.

abhirf , 6/22/13 3:29 PM


rafaisthebest, 6/22/13 9:14 AM
Wow.. what a great piece of information as if I didnt knew that the top seeds cant meet in rd 1 or 2.
I said it becoz I thought you were thinking that somebody is afraid of meeting Rafa before the later stages of a tournament. I hope I have cleared myself on that point.
abhirf , 6/22/13 3:20 PM

Don't look now, but you sound like you are hurtling towards a meltdown.......

This is what you said:

rafaisthebest, 6/21/13 12:13 PM
Yes I'm really happy that Fed drew the no. 5 seed. Rafa is definitely more susceptible for a loss in quarters than in semi or final. I would have been more happier had Fed-Rafa been a 1st or 2nd rd match.
abhirf , 6/22/13 7:54 AM

Now you want to tell me you know what I think? Newsflash, when you post something, you leave a trail...........

Good luck to Fed, for the sake of his fans like you..........

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 3:39 PM


The tards and trolls will be jumping for joy for their new self appointed leader. Go ahead Twingey, show your true Rafa hating colors and run with the trolls...

phoenix , 6/22/13 3:40 PM


Twinge thank God you did not say that Queens was better tournament than RG.

fedexal , 6/22/13 3:45 PM


Adore, hate.
Hate, adore.
Honestly some of you need to live in the real world for a change.
As you clearly have no conception of what these words truly mean
But if you wish, I'll demonstrate to you all just how harsh it can be when someone hates on the Internet......

Twinge , 6/22/13 3:46 PM


@ritb,
Wowzer.. cant believe how RAfa fans cant accept that Fed fans are not affected by Fed's decline.. unnecessarily trying to rub in wont have any affect on us. I have already mentioned in the past that Fed has achieved all that one can have.. anythig from here will just be a bonus. You guys seem to be imagining meltdowns on your own.
And BTW, why what did you really wanted to confirm by posing that question of Fed-Rafa Qf. If an early meeting was not what you meant by it, then I dont know what you really meant??

abhirf , 6/22/13 3:47 PM


And BTW, why what did you really wanted to confirm by posing that question of Fed-Rafa Qf. If an early meeting was not what you meant by it, then I dont know what you really meant??
abhirf , 6/22/13 3:47 PM

Ah, so this is what all this is about, why didn't you say so in the first place instead of going round and round the mulberry bush?

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 3:52 PM


phoenix, 6/22/13 9:03 AM

Well, I do know its 2013, and what has happened at Wimby after 2008, I think that 80% would be enough for Fed to win untill and unless somene else decides to really step it up.

abhirf , 6/22/13 3:53 PM


Everybody seems to be a bit crotchety today. lol.

Come Monday there will be hard news to discuss!

ed251137 , 6/22/13 3:54 PM


....and btw, if you don't care that we care that you care, you're making a very bad job of hiding it.

#WimbyQuartersFedal

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 3:55 PM


You know what is causing all this crotchetiness eh, ed251137? It's the Mallorcan Bull! His snorting is getting louder and louder and he is getting too close for some people's comfort...........

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 3:59 PM


@ritb, well I do have a habit of going round and round the mulberry bush..
And pardon me if I dont do a good job of hiding it but I would have been more nervous for a Fed-Tsonga Qf.. As for now, I'm a bit more relaxed as I know whats the result going to be.

abhirf , 6/22/13 3:59 PM


Conspirator, 6/22/13 2:57 PM

Ahmm.. well even after some of his inconsistent game in 1st 2 sets, I would rate him to be at 90% max. Credit to Rafa for being at almost his 100% best. I havent seen him play that good on grass after that final.

abhirf , 6/22/13 4:08 PM


@abhirf, I do admire your powers of being able to know results of matches which have not yet taken place. Sadly, I am not that endowed. I can only feel positively about my fav's chances, that's what gives me comfort.

Please do not tell me what you see in your crystal ball, suspense is a huge part of the dance!

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 4:12 PM


^^@ritb, okay so first things first then. Let's see how the 1st rd matches pan out on Monday. Great opening day line up in store!

P.S: Btw, I too am positive about my fav's chances :-) { it's always a battle between the mind and the heart.. sometimes the mind wins, sometimes the heart and sometimes both}

abhirf , 6/22/13 4:18 PM


abhirf , 6/22/13 4:27 PM


@abhirf, while I am positive about Rafa's chances, I am not writing Roger off completely:

RT @darren_cahill: "Federer may need to defeat Nadal, Murray & Djokovic to win Wimbledon. He's done it once before to win the 2010 World Tour Finals in London."

btw, Cahill is picking Novak for the title...........

And yes, Monday will be exciting....

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 4:27 PM


@ritb, neither am I writing off anybody.
Agree with Cahill. If he can bring the same amount of energy and passion (the thing that has been lacking so far this year), he does have a chance.

As for title picks, they are really haywire this time with 3 favs - Nole, Rafa n Muzz. There is too much diversity among the picks.

abhirf , 6/22/13 4:36 PM


But if you wish, I'll demonstrate to you all just how harsh it can be when someone hates on the Internet......
Twinge, 6/22/13 3:46 PM

Go ahead Twingey, make my day!

phoenix , 6/22/13 4:41 PM


Phoenix: Talk about laying down the gauntlet. There will be no stopping him now.

ed251137 , 6/22/13 5:34 PM


Twinge
, 6/22/13 3:23 PM


You have just shown what you are actually made of, no one needs to say anything more . You dont even exist for me now on..good luck with ur jealousy , crappiness and non stop rants..Get well soon and God really needs to less you abundantly, you really need it.

sanju , 6/22/13 5:49 PM


rafaisthebest
, 6/22/13 3:59 PM


True RITB..They are just running scared. Its hysterical.

sanju , 6/22/13 6:19 PM


sanju
, 6/22/13 5:49 PM

I meant bless :-)

sanju , 6/22/13 6:20 PM


ed251137
, 6/22/13 5:34 PM

ed..you can take a face to face live sesion too..Hes your fellow city /country neighbour after all:-)

sanju , 6/22/13 6:22 PM


fedexal
, 6/22/13 3:45 PM

Dont be surprised fedexal :-). You can be rest asured anything can be said to put down Rafas incredible achevements. Jealousy and hatred knows no limits.

sanju , 6/22/13 6:25 PM


'Get well soon and God really needs to less you abundantly, you really need it'

And you really need English lessons, judging from this atrocious post!
Sanju you also need to get your third world ass down to the nearest beauticians in whatever sub continental hell hole you inhabit....
have a Brazilian and a nice new hair do, for you are now officially the biggest little bitch on TT.

Twinge , 6/22/13 6:40 PM


Out on Court 14, in the shadow of Centre Court, eight-time French Open champion Rafael Nadal conferred with his coach, his uncle Toni Nadal, in whispered Spanish. He was hitting with Kevin Anderson, a willowy South African, who is on the other side of the draw. Not to alarm anyone, but Nadal seemed to be nursing a slight limp as he worked his way around the court. Nadal, a little fast and loose to start, eventually got serious and started hitting some ridiculous forehands you could actually hear tearing through the air. When a half-volley clipped the top of the net -- and fell back -- Rafa issued a comic "oooh!" that drew a snicker from the dozen or so fans watching.

After sitting out seven months with a knee injury, Nadal has played nine tournaments -- and reached all nine finals. This will be his first on grass.

"Since I start from today, I was able to play all the tournaments that I wanted to play," Nadal said. "That's the best news possible. Before I came back, I take this year like a transition year. I will compete here as good as possible. I going to try my best, and then we will see what's next for me."

http://espn.go.com/tennis/wimbledon13/story/_/id/9412663/wimbl edon-rafael-nadal-getting-feel-grass-courts

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 6:43 PM


Sanju: Under that somewhat waspish exterior deep at heart lies gentleman.
He was probably taught as a young boy to show respect to old ladies so I may get off more lightly than the others. lol.

ed251137 , 6/22/13 6:44 PM


And would that God you're referring to have an elephants head perchance?
Or maybe 8 arms?
You vile savage!

Twinge , 6/22/13 6:45 PM


Twinge
, 6/22/13 6:40 PM

Haha..hes burning as hell from within and can only take recourse to filthy language to prove to himself hes won the war of words..Dont worry..you can feel happy with your bloated ego and filthy tongue :-)..Bye Bye

And yeah the supposedly third world country I am from has far higher GDP than yours both in purchase parity and exchange rate terms ..well but I doubt you even know what GDP means, what to tell you :-)

ed251137
, 6/22/13 6:44 PM

Ed, you are like assuming the impossile. His behaviour on this forum and arguements with all and sundry does not reflect he has learnt anything good in life ;-)

sanju , 6/22/13 6:52 PM


And would that God you're referring to have an elephants head perchance?
Or maybe 8 arms?
You vile savage!
Twinge
, 6/22/13 6:45 PM

Ahh now hes resorted to making fun of Indian Gods and Goddesses. Well just shows what a BIGGGGGGGGG loser you are, no more proof needed

sanju , 6/22/13 6:54 PM


rafaisthebest
, 6/22/13 6:43 PM

RITB..Is this against Nishi yesterday or prctice today? Again the media brings up the limp..Leave Rafa alone :-)

sanju , 6/22/13 6:56 PM


you are now officially the biggest little bitch on TT.
Twinge
, 6/22/13 6:40 PM

Well you were from time immemorial the mother of all b!tches. Get well soon :-)

sanju , 6/22/13 7:03 PM


'And yeah the supposedly third world country I am from has far higher GDP than yours both in purchase parity and exchange rate terms ..well but I doubt you even know what GDP means, what to tell you'

Are you serious?
India has a per capita GDP PPP of less than $4000 it's about a 9th of Britain!
My home town's economy is half the size of all of India with its horrendous overpopulation.
What kind of idiot would even go there!?!
Oh that right a nadaltard...

Twinge , 6/22/13 7:04 PM


@sanju, it's from today's practice I think, but definitely after the Hurlingham exho. Yeah, I would not make much of the slight limp, he is still recovering for goodness' sakes. I remember being freaked out by his limping during Madrid. Also, I remember him saying when it's cold, the knee is a little stiff.......

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 7:05 PM


BTW Rafans, where is luckystar. Haven't seen her posting since quiet some time . Not sure but I dont remember even seeing a post from her after Rafa won RG.

sanju , 6/22/13 7:06 PM


There's not a lot of hatin' in them posts Twingey...come on, you can do better than that.

phoenix , 6/22/13 7:09 PM




I said GDP, not per capita GDP..Understand the difference :-). Go and google it cmon.

Here is the link, go and check it buddy. All 3 lists have India far higher than UK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

W ell who would go there?..there are hordes and hordes of people from your country here. Please take a tour around all IT majors and Financial service firms in India, you will be surprised to see the number of folks from al first world countries here, not just that, all IT and Finance majors have offices and Dev centres in your first world country too. Wake up:-).

And yeah go and google some quotes from David Cameron on how strategically important India is to UK. I am sure he knows far better than you who only craps here behind a pseudo id.

sanju , 6/22/13 7:16 PM


phoenix
, 6/22/13 7:09 PM

Hes not just a hater, he has proven beyond doubt hes terribly rascist too with his nasty comments on other countries, their Gods and goddesses. He really needs help bigtime :-)

sanju , 6/22/13 7:19 PM


Oh God, please make Monday come soon enough............for TT's sake!

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 7:20 PM


RITB, ed, nadline

What is the weather forecast next 2 weeks, any idea?

sanju , 6/22/13 7:22 PM


rafaisthebest
, 6/22/13 7:05 PM

Yeah RITB, the limp comments need to be ignored. We saw comments about it during IW, Madrid and he won them . I am sure he is def not as bad as he was last here after RG, so I hope for far far better results, let us c.

1 match at a time ;-)

sanju , 6/22/13 7:26 PM


You are a deluded IDIOT.
Have you actually been to Europe or the US?
If a country with 20 times the population of another has an economy about the same size as Britain how can that make it 'richer'?
A 3 year old child could figure that one out.
And it's still smaller now!
That is a fact.
India is one of the most grindingly poor countries in the world!
Part of my family were involved in India in the 20's and 30's
It was a corrupt, filthy and evil place then and little has changed to elevate it now.
But who knows, perhaps in another 100 years it's economy will be 5 times bigger than Britain's is!
I personally hope for its sake...
And it will still be a third world nightmare!

Twinge , 6/22/13 7:36 PM


Twingey, if India is poor today, maybe you brits have bled the nation dry in the past.

phoenix , 6/22/13 7:55 PM


LOL! I thought I had seen it all when rafabots argued that Spain was the greatest football and tennis nation of all time.

They are trying to convince Twinge that India is a developed nation? I wonder what DUNCE has to say about this. I will take a guess she is going to sit this one out and let Twinge take the bile from rafabots.

Where is yapper and rafaistheworst to support "our" Twinge?

Just a preview of what will happen when murray beats rafa 7-0 like Novak does or win more slams than kneedal, like Roger did.

Fedkovic23 , 6/22/13 8:11 PM


@sanju, 6/22/13 7:22 PM

Weather Forecast
Next week: on Friday & Saturday: scattered showers; other days: partly or mostly cloudy. Max temperature 18 - 22 degrees Celsius.

Monday:
max temperature 18 degrees Celsius (64 degrees Fahrenheit)
Partly Cloudy
CHANCE OF RAIN 0%
WIND: WNW at 19 kmph

http://uk.weather.com/weather/10day-UKXX0085:1:UK

Augustina08 , 6/22/13 8:19 PM


Rafa's pre-tournament presser:

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2013-06-22/20 1306221371910033612.html

Rafael Nadal: Last year was too much

Rafael Nadal has it pretty down pat how many days off he can spare between his regular stint sinking his teeth into the Coupe de Mousquetaires at Roland Garros and his shift to the grass.

Almost as sure as Nadal stepping off the plane with the French Open trophy under arm is the Mediterranean sun greeting him at his island home on Mallorca, something the Spaniard knows not to take for granted when he arrives in these parts.

?You cannot forget the tennis when you have Wimbledon in two weeks [after the French Open]. It's impossible,? Nadal said. ?But, yes, I stop for a few days ? [The] first day I play tennis [was] Saturday. Sunday I play a little bit. I arrive here Tuesday morning.

?The rest of the days I was able to enjoy a little bit the island in Mallorca with friends and family. Was great, because this part of the season the weather there is great and we have the chance to enjoy the sea.?

Intentional or not, he was subtly rubbing in the fact as drizzle fell on SW19, with a cheeky grin lining his face after making reference to Mallorca?s enviable summer.

Almost 12 months ago though, relaxing at home was the least of the Spaniard?s priorities after suffering one of the greatest upsets in Wimbledon history; beaten in the second round in five sets by Czech Lukas Rosol.

It would be his last match for seven months, with a knee injury putting an end to his season.

But he was not about to detract from Rosol?s level of play that day.

?I don't have nothing to learn about [last] year because is not an excuse. Rosol played a fantastic fifth set. He probably beat me if I was healthy,? Nadal said. ?That's tennis and that's the sport. You lose, you win ? But that experience for me last year was too much. I suffer too much.?

Seeded fifth for this year?s Championships, Nadal begins his 2013 campaign against Belgian Steve Darcis, a player whose all-court talent belies his ranking of world No.113.

?He knows how to play tennis in all the surfaces. He has good shots. I say he is a complete player,? he said. ?Here, in these kind of surfaces, well, in this surface, on grass, all the matches are close. Matches can be decided for a few balls.?

Facing the prospect of having to find a way past Roger Federer, Andy Murray and Novak Djokovic in succession to land a third Wimbledon crown, Nadal?s path in 2013 could not have been tougher.

After last year?s first-week shock, the dream showdowns with Federer or Murray in the bottom half of the draw are still a way off.

?The rankings say these kind of things can happen ? but I don?t see them before quarter-finals and semi-finals,? he said.

?My view is if I arrive to quarter-finals is because I will be ready ? But for me, going to be very tough to be there.?

Despite a heavy schedule since his February return, which included title runs in seven of nine events, Nadal admitted he had exceeded even his own expectations in what started out as a ?transition year?.

?At this point of my career the most important thing is be happy for me,? he said. ?And (I?m) happy when I have the chance to compete well.?

Should his season continue at its current rate, he will have plenty to be happy about at the 2013 Championships.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 8:35 PM


Does anyone seriously expect Fed to state publicly that there is no way he wants to play Rafa in the quarterfinals? Of course he is going to say exactly what he did. You have to play the best players to win Wimbledon and sometimes you have to play one in the quarterfinals. That's life!

Fed has always been the master at mind games. Unfortunately for him, it never worked with Rafa. Fed is going to come out and say it's business as usual, this is the way it is, Murray is tough, Ferrer is tough, Nole is tough, blah, blah, blah. Then he is going to quietly hope that Rafa doesn't make it through to the quarterfinals.

Nativenewyorker , 6/22/13 9:20 PM


Here is a very detailed weather breakdown for the part of London where Wimbledon is where you can check on what is forecast virtually hour by hour.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/kn7jg47

ed251137 , 6/22/13 10:19 PM


It is shame to bring religious beliefs, culture, country, race etc. to a tennis forum.
Request Cheryl to DELETE all posts connected to this remarks.

Each country/culture/race has its own positives and negatives, this world badly need assimilation not aversion and thereby better fruits for human race in general.

# world peace
# Universal love and care
# Unity in creation

sabs , 6/23/13 7:38 AM


^^^Totally agree, @sabs. Let's talk, and argue, tennis.

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 8:17 AM


Rafans, anyone seen pics of Rafa grocery shopping yet, or cooking gambas for the team? Can't be Wimby without those......

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 8:23 AM


@sabs
#Well said.
#Agree

deuce , 6/23/13 8:46 AM


@ 8:21 AM
And pray, what is YOUR agenda? Do tell.

#WarpedMindDrippingPoison

ed251137 , 6/23/13 9:22 AM


sabs , 6/23/13 7:38 AM

i think this is the first time that i totally agree with you...

phoenix , 6/23/13 9:28 AM


on second thought, i think i may have abetted that meltdown...sorry guys, especially to sanju.

phoenix , 6/23/13 9:32 AM


^^You are a good man, @phoenix

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 9:53 AM


sabs, 6/23/13 7:38 AM,

Great post! So well said! Thanks for that! Goodness knows we need it now with what is going on here.

@ed,

Obviously the agenda is to say as many vulgar, profane, evil, sick things as possible! What sabs said is way over her head.

sanju,

I am sorry that you had to endure those comments. It's never okay to denigrate one's native country or their culture or race. You are one of the nicest people on this site. You don't deserve it. I don't know what comes over people sometimes.

Nativenewyorker , 6/23/13 10:15 AM


The only way to silence these abusive posters is to ignore them and not respond to ANYTHING they say no matter how tempting. When I read the insults levied at sanju yesterday I was lost for words and it came from a British poster who knows full well that in the UK such racial abuse is an offence liable to prosecution.

Let's just try and ignore them because they feed on counter punches and if we ignore them they'll get bored and go away. TT has become such a spiteful forum because posters seem able to get away with murder nowadays.

nadline , 6/23/13 10:17 AM


Thanks all. He has given a bloody good account of himself now and it is there for all to see now. What he said def does not effect me and should not effect any Indian also. He has zero standing in the scheme of things and I for sure am ignoring him ..

I am happy to also see that when it comes to rascist and religious comments, it is humanity that rules and not whether you are fans of Rafa, Andy, Roger or Novak.

Yes let us talk tennis . Very excited for Wimledon and seeing the beautiful green lawns . Pretty sight :-).

I feel Rafa will play in a relaxed way, cant wait to see him in full flow.

sanju , 6/23/13 10:50 AM


Some good interesting statements from Rafa.

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/tennis/nadal-not-bothered-by-wi mbledon-fifth-seeding/article4841710.ece

http://www.rappler.com/spo rts/world/31966-nadal-i-wasn-t-ready-to-play-in-2012-wimbledon

http ://tvnz.co.nz/tennis-news/nadal-happy-arrive-wimbledon-two-knees-54734 97

sanju , 6/23/13 11:21 AM


the one that should not be named,

judging from your posts it's obvious that you haven't read my comments...:-)

phoenix , 6/23/13 12:11 PM


"I will compete here as good as possible. I'm gonna try my best, then we will see what's next for me," he added.
"I haven't completely decided my schedule after here, because I have to analyse a little bit more what's more or less favourable for my future."

I don't know what it is but something about these quotes worries me?

phoenix , 6/23/13 12:50 PM


phoenix, don't look for things to worry about. Rafa's classic pre-tournament statement is that he's gonna try his best. As for his calendar, he is the only one who gets pestered about it, so he is just saying I'll announce it in my own time. He's already committed to Beijing.

nadline , 6/23/13 12:57 PM


John Inverdale, BBC Sport presenter

"I can't see Novak Djokovic losing. He would have won the French but for it being on clay,........"

Can someone please explain to me what the heck the above sentence means? Does it mean Novak would have won if RG was not played on clay, when it is in fact played on clay, and has only ever been played on clay? Novak won hypothetically, theoretically, in people's minds, what? What is the point of this statement?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/23013684

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 1:13 PM


Seems like he's given up on homeboy Murray even making the final.

2013 W-L ratio

Nadal 43-2
Djoker 33-5

Nuff said.

nadline , 6/23/13 1:51 PM


@phoenix, 6/23/13 12:50 PM
@nadline, 6/23/13 12:57 PM

Rafa is also going to play in Basel in October.
---The French Open champion decided to play at the hard-court tournament in Roger Federer's hometown of Basel, which is held at the same time as the Valencia Open 500, between 19 and 27 October 2013.
Valencia is home to David Ferrer, and it also the tournament that showcases other Spanish favorites. If Rafa were to play in Valencia, he would draw the crowds and sponsors, but would he not eclipse the other Spaniards on their home turf? Is this perhaps an altruistic move on Rafa's part?
The surface in Basel is similar to the surface at the WTF. Perhaps it's not about altruism, but rather, a need to hone his skills and confidence, and that's why Rafa chose Basel. Or it could just be that he wanted to play Federer in Switzerland.---

http://rafaelnadalfans.com/2013/06/22/rafael-nadal- still-raises-eyebrows-on-choosing-basel-over-valencia/

Augustina08 , 6/23/13 2:07 PM


@phoenix, I am actually encouraged by the statements. They show Rafa is focused on winning this Wimby. Think about it, if Rafa wins, he will have potentially beaten the #1, 2 and 3 in a row, no mean feat. He will emerge understandably tired and will have to calibrate his schedule to reflect this. So, in the above statements, Rafa is being realistic and taking this into consideration.

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 2:13 PM


Brazilians protest Nadal?s Wimbledon ranking

In Brazil, over a million people are reported to have joined demonstrations against the seeding of Rafael Nadal in this year?s Wimbledon. While many might consider the tennis tournament to be an elitist, predictable and insignificant waste of strawberries; for the disenfranchised youth of Rio de Janeiro it means everything.

The ?King of Clay? has slipped down the rankings after seven months out with a knee injury, but has won 43 out of 45 matches since returning. The newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo highlighted widespread inequality throughout Brazil, citing as an example Wimbledon?s own formula for men?s seedings. One protester said: ?Exorbitant transport fares, corruption and taxation we can tolerate, but placing the two-time champion behind David Ferrer is an outrage!?

The Spaniard has turned into lightning rod for all forms of protest, ever since a masked, bare-chested protester interrupted his victory at the French Open. Despite tournament director Gibert Ysern condemning this as ?pathetic?, he could not deny that Nadal has become the Che Guevara of grass tennis. The All England Club is already considering the use of tear gas and rubber bullets on Henman Hill should things ?turn nasty? later this month.

The BBC?s correspondent in Rio, Julia Carneiro, commented: ?It is not yet known how this will end, but with so much at stake, it might be worth Andy Murray considering an escape in the early rounds.?

nadline , 6/23/13 2:16 PM


^^^
http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2013/06/22/brazilians-protest-nadal-ra nking/

nadline , 6/23/13 2:17 PM


Thanks nadline,Augustina...

This Rafa is sometimes an enigma even to us his fans. We cannot presume to know the reason/s behind his moves. I wonder how the haters can claim to read Rafa inside and out.

phoenix , 6/23/13 2:23 PM


...and ritb too tnx. i did not see ur post 'til i sent mine. :-(

phoenix , 6/23/13 2:29 PM


Fed has no fear now that the outcome is known. He is used to losing to Rafa all the time now. Would be no different indoors whether it be Basel, WTF or Wimby.

#NoSafeHavenAnymore

Conspirator , 6/23/13 4:00 PM


@Seventeen. Actually the singles gold medal is the most important non-slam event. Yes WTF is really important, but the olympics is even more desired. The fact that roger was so elated when he won even the doubles in 2008 really showed that. I've never seen him so happy apart from his 1st wimbledon win.

DeadManWalking , 6/23/13 4:07 PM


draw analysis - http://www.tennistalk.com/en/blog/Ricky_Dimon/20130623/Wimbledon_draw_ analysis:_Federer,_Nadal_in_same_quarter

RickyDimon , 6/23/13 4:21 PM


WTF is a glorified exho. If it was serious they would rotate the surfaces, just like they do the Olympics and the Slams.

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 4:22 PM


DeadManWalking, it is a pity that seventeen did not have the brain to think of your moniker first as it better describes her fav in terms of Fed's recent performances. It would be more... current and realistic.

Fedbots should learn to accept the way Fed has. He has achieved so much but only one can be the greatest.

#RAFA

Conspirator , 6/23/13 4:47 PM


John Lloyd:

"What Nadal has done in 2013 is the stuff of legend - and should be acclaimed as the work of a special talent, a man who has an aura and appeal that everyone loves."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2346657/John-Lloyd-Inc redible-Rafael-Nadal-darkest-hour.html#ixzz2X3F8azDf
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Thanks, ritb.

nadline , 6/23/13 4:55 PM


Deadmanwalking - I disagree. Sone sports are centered around the olympics, tennis definitely isn't. The 5th slam is the year end championships. Especially if you take ranking points into consideration!

rbennett , 6/23/13 5:06 PM


rbennett in terms of points only though. For instance, I was a huge Sampras fan and can reel off lots of career achievements of his including how many of each major he won. However, while I know he had good success at the WTF, I have absolutely no idea how many he won as I didn't see it as that important nor do I today.

It's more of a spectacle really. After the USO, the remainder of the season is more of a curiosity and becomes for me just about watching the points race. I still watch the indoor tournaments but they are just not the same. More like indoor football. Tennis was meant to be played outdoors.

Conspirator , 6/23/13 5:19 PM


Rafas presser

http://www.rafaholics.com/2013/06/wimbledon-pre-tournament- press.html

sanju , 6/23/13 7:18 PM


Poor seventeen. Identifies with fed indoors. Probably doesn't get out much so please to understand. Sorry. So sad for you. Try to enjoy what little life affords you. :)

Conspirator , 6/23/13 8:04 PM


rafaisthebest, 6/23/13 1:13 PM,

I loved your response to that comment. John Inverdale is absolutely hilarious! Novak would have won the French if not for it being on clay! Comedy gold!

As for Rafa's comments about his schedule for the rest of the year, I think he is just being cautious. I am sure that he will have periodic evaluations of the knee and consult with his doctor to make sure that he is careful to schedule accordingly. He now has the luxury of not having to defend any points, so he's in a really good place.

Nativenewyorker , 6/23/13 8:39 PM


According to Gilles Simon, Rafa is the most respected player on Tour and Federer a bad loser:

http://www.lejdd.fr/Sport/Tennis/Actualite/Gilles-Simon-Le-p lus-respecte-c-est-Nadal-615139

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 9:37 PM


^^^So how come they tell us that Federer wins the Sportsmanship Award every year.

nadline , 6/23/13 9:44 PM


RT @adel1609: "Federer and Tsonga : the bad losers of the circuit according to Simon: They don't like to admit that an apponent can play better than them."

RT @adel1609: "Most respected players? #Simon: "Nadal. Pretty much the same with Federer. Djokovic is still far from being respected as much as they are"."

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 10:09 PM


Same reason pre-Nole 2.0 was "randomly" drawn into His Highness' half in 13 non--clay majors in a row.

#NewMath
#BusinessAsUsual
#Marketing101

Conspirator , 6/23/13 10:09 PM


disagree about Tsonga. He seems genuinely congratulatory at the net win or lose.

Conspirator , 6/23/13 10:11 PM


Simon says:

Most bad losers: Tsonga and Federer
"In the whole" I do not like to recognize that the other has to be better than me, "it would be Jo. This is not reflected in interviews but I know him well.

nadline , 6/23/13 10:15 PM


Thrash Fed and make yourself news worthy!

Good strategy indeed.

#reflected glory

sabs , 6/24/13 7:43 AM


"However, while I know he had good success at the WTF, I have absolutely no idea how many he won as I didn't see it as that important nor do I today. "

Because you are a moron who thinks draws are fixed and makes an ass out of yourself for our entertainment at every slam. Any real sampras fan would know the answer to that. I am sure you also didn't know that Sampras did not give a f$%k for the FO. He left it for the bottom-feeders - the spanish armada.

He also said Wimbledon is the greatest tournament tennis has and he would not trade even one of his Wimbledons for a FO. LOL!

JamesDjokovicFan , 6/24/13 12:14 PM


#VamosSyndrome
#40-25

rafaisthebest , 6/24/13 12:54 PM


The way these tards are obsessing with Rafa, it's not unlikely that they think about Rafa even in their sleep...

#Rafanightmare

phoenix , 6/24/13 1:21 PM


JamesDjokovicFan , 6/24/13 12:14 PM
And in saying so (if he ever did), Sampras shows us why he never won the FO and why people will always question him as the GOAT.
These arguments make no sense at all. What is the use of saying you 'don't give a f?%k' about a tournament you've never won? how can anybody take you seriously? :)

Shireling , 6/24/13 1:42 PM


Shirling: Surely nobody does. He's just a nuisance factor like a wasp buzzing around at a picnic.

ed251137 , 6/24/13 2:11 PM


Uncle tony fucks the rafa mam in the ass . They just mustnot let Rafa know about it otherwise he loses passion.
seventeen, 6/23/13 6:55 PM

phoenix , 6/24/13 10:56 PM


Seems like he's given up on homeboy Murray even making the final.

2013 W-L ratio

Nadal 43-2
Djoker 33-5

Nuff said.

Yes Nadline, enough has been said by a tard like yourself to last a number of lifetimes
;-)

Twinge , 6/24/13 11:21 PM



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