But who this Harrison kid thinks he is to give advice to the GOAT?!

If federer meets him, harrison is sure to get a beating, on the tennis court that is.

He should probably take Ryan's advice here. Cocky or not, the kid is right.

Well, Harrison has some valid point there. I don't agree he doesn't play convinced against Djoko. But against Nadal it is obviously he has some mental issue. Besides the trouble he gets every time Nadal throws those spins against his backhand.

*Despite the trouble he gets every time Nadal throws those spins against his backhand.

actually federer was the only player to beat novak this year, so I don't agree with the lack of confidence against djokovic. Of course Nadal remains his main cause of fear.

Don't agree with Harrison. Fed's last two matches, against Nole and then Rafa, at the FO, showed that he had plenty of confidence. I don't think Fed fears anyone these days, as he has nothing more to prove. He's more relaxed these days once he achieved his career slam and surpassed Sampras in the slam counts, everything else is bonus to him now. His win against Murray, Nole and Rafa last year at the WTF would give him confidence that when he's at the top of his game he can beat even the younger top few guys. I think he doesn't set any time frame for him to win his next slam so he can take things easy and plays freely, unlike Rafa, who I feel now has something to prove, ie that he's able to beat Nole again and regain the no.1 ranking, and of course wins more slams.

Can't wait to see Sweeting "swagger" when next he's playing Rafa or Nole......

Aaaaahhhhhh, Harrison not Sweeting of course for above comment, wish you had an "edit" button on this site!

And Lindahl is still a reporter for this site...how?

At the FO, he was flying under the radar, everyone was counting him as the underdog, he himself to an extent I'm sure. I think it's the wimbledon where he'll probably forever feel pressure.
I feel in sport (or in anything competitive for that matter) the challenge of a younger opponent is always mentally taxing, but well now I hope when he finally looks at the number 30 today, past his prime and with nothing much to prove anymore, he can play more freely, take more chances.

If I were Federer, I'd get a bit of a chuckle out of Ryan Harrison offering me advice on how to beat Nadal.

I mean, he's lost to Michael Berrer and Arnaud Clement recently...he doesn't even make it far enough to try his "swagger" against Nadal. :D

Well one thing that nobody's mentioned is that seemingly Ryan is a Fedfan and wants Roger to get back to #1. Why else would he give him advice? I don't see him giving Rafa advice on how to beat Nole.

Doesn't Harrison realise that ballet and agression don't go? Ryan is talking from experience because he's only played Federer of the top 4 so he doesn't know what it's like to play the others.

numero, Rafa can beat Nole or anyone anytime providing he is well in body, mind and spirit. numero - 'Seemingly, Ryan is a Fedfan' isn't everyone????? hahaha

So Roger has a 8-17 h2h with Rafa and he's got nothing to prove!! I'm sure he wouldn't want Rafa's tally of games over him to mount to 20-8.

How come H2H is again in the mix?

It looks to me that you look at the h2h from a certain point of view.
Wether it is 20-8 or 17-10 makes absolutely no difference from youre point of view.

be carefull what you wish, you just might get it. And when it does happen on the quick HC it might not be as easy as you think.

So what if Harrison is a Fed fan? That doesn't mean that there are no Rafa fans among the young players. Why all these bickerings again? BTW we here don't represent all fans so how's is it that 'everyone' is a Fed fan now?? Harrison also doesn't represent every tennis player! Just stop all these arguments, winning arguement here doesn't mean that one is correct.

It's funny how some people see a silver lining in everyone's cloud with the exception of Rafa's and if anyone so much as says anything in his favour it's bickering and it's about winning arguments. It would be nice if everyone was alowed to express an opinion.

Of course there are those who think Rafa's achievements still leave a lot to be desired, because he's got a lot to prove!!!!!!! hahahahahaha!

I see only one person here bickering and attacking Fed. Where do you see any malicious remarks (is that correct spelling?) against Rafafa?

Ha Ha Ha, the wrong ones respond!

Sienna, when did I say anyone passing malicious remarks? I was responding to numero's post but had mixed up with nadline's and now realized that there's nothing wrong with numero's assumption(that Harrison is a Fed fan). My point still stand though, that there are Rafa fans among the young players too. Fedal have their own fan groups and there's nothing wrong with individuals preferring one player to the other, and that's why my comment 'so what if Harrison is a Fed fan?'

I was not trying to get you into something you did or did not say. Sorry if you felt like that.
Nadaline is again the instigator(is that a word?) of a Fedal war.

For that her alter egoor her girlfriend holdie is getting on bleachersreport really dirty and mean. No holds barred for that woman.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791425-roger-federer-and- novak-djokovic-are-two-sides-of-the-same-ungracious-coin

I think if nadalino is holdie is Veejay(bleacher) then she must be banned from this site.
full out attack on Fed and Djoker.

If Numero can drag in Rafa's name (that Harrison isn't giving Rafa advice) than Nadline has every right to drag in H2H and whatever she likes. Thank your fellow Fednatic for instigating trouble!

Here is the gist of the article from The Bleacher Report, I have to say I couldn't put it better myself, I totally agree with the sentiments.

Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic Are 2 Sides of the Same Ungracious Coin
By Vee Jay
(Correspondent) on August 3, 2011

Roger Federer is gracious in victory but ungracious in defeat. Novak Djokovic is gracious in defeat but ungracious in victory. They are two sides of the same coin. No wonder they have the same type of fans.

Roger Federer was fortunate that when he reached his prime in 2003, there were no other great players.

So, Federer was not pushed, easily won his matches and was gracious. If you remember, he had a bad temper in his pre-prime years but not so after he reached his prime in a weak era.

Then when Nadal started challenging him, Federer began to lose some of the veneer of graciousness. Federer bitterly complained about Nadal's on-court coaching (which was strange, considering that he did not believe in the value of coaching).

Anyway, when he discovered that he was getting bad press, he stopped. Federer thereafter has been very gracious on-court with Nadal but has never missed opportunities in his various interviews to put down the great Spaniard.

Federer has not, however, been so gracious on-court to Djokovic, but then in "ungraciousness" the two are evenly matched.

What about Djokovic? He is the kind of guy who applauds his opponent's good shots and victories. At US Open 2010, his graciousness was personified in how he congratulated Nadal and spoke about him afterwards.

Yes, Djokovic is gracious in defeat.

However, just as we caught a glimpse of his "ungraciousness" in 2008, it has very much been evident in 2011. The "unclassy" way in which he and his team celebrated his victories over Nadal and in particular, the silly jokes ridiculing the great Spaniard reflect poorly on him.

Just as in Federer's case, the fans of Djokovic have picked up the cues and have posted garbage on the Spaniard's Facebook wall as well as on many tennis forums.

In contrast, Nadal is humble. So is Andy Murray, but unfortunately as he hasn't won any slams as of yet not many people have remarked on his humility.

I subscribe to the theory that a humble player, focusing only on his own improvement, is likely to be more successful than an ungracious or conceited player of the same caliber.

So let us wait and see who laughs last for is it not said, "he who laughs last, laughs best?"

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Yes , let's wait and see how all this pans out and I hope Rafa gets the last laugh.

Yes you are absolutely right. Fist pumps in youre opponents face are very gracious and respectfull. Absolutely nadalino.v

I have to say that poor Rafa is always at the receiving end of bashings. I do agree that some Nole fans at the other forums posted some nasty stuff about Rafa. Its shocking to read some of those comments. I don't understand why Rafa attracted so much of such bashings. I guess as a Rafa fan, I won't be able to understand, as I find Rafa being such a lovely person, a passionate tennis player and a compassionate person. To me, there's nothing not to like about Rafa. His fans will always stand by him and bashings or not, his fan base is increasing as always.

I don't see anything wrong in fist pumping. I saw Fed fist pumping, I saw Nole fist pumping, I saw Delpo fist pumping, and I saw the Sod fist pumping in his opponent's face. Why single out Rafa again?

There are others who are far more arrogant or ungracious etc thenFed or Djoker so why single out them? Besides I think the topguys are all very humble maybe the one a lit more the the other but a rant articole about Fed or Djoker is uncalled for. Why blame the players if some fans do silly stuff.

One thing can be mentioned Fed doesnot fist pump after every single point even when a match is tied or close Rafa on the ther hand fist pumps his way through a match sometimes even on bad misses from his opponent. That sureluy is bad sportsmanship? I mentioned Rafa because he is the fave player of nadanino. That always makes a good counter argument when stating anargument.

My goodness I did not even mention Rafa's name in my previous post. Pff that just shows you are a little biased. Dont mather so am I;-)

Well, Soderling is the worst fist pumper EVER! Plus the very evil look he gives. Delpot is another bad fist pumper/evil eyer.
Of course, if you don't like a player you will look for every which way to find reasons to justify your dislike. I don't like Sod or Delpot, 'tis obvious!
However, I do agree with you that you can't blame a player for the way their fans/parents behave.

Sienna, you yourself is biased against Rafa, as shown in your previous posts on other threads. What you mentioned about Rafa happened long time ago, when he was still a young player. I don't see him fist pumping about his opponents' errors these days, I don't see him fist pumping in his opponent's face these days. He did his fist pumping to pump himself up and did that when his back was facing his opponent or when he was walking towards his own bench, NOT fist pumping in his opponent's face.

Fed had his 'come on' loud and clear too, so why is fist pumping being criticized but shorting 'come on' with fist pumps are acceptable?? Who sets the standards? The article mentioned Fed and Nole, two of the top guys, being arrogant, so I mentioned the top guys Fed, Nole, Delpo (once in the top few guys) and Sod doing the fist pumps, other than Rafa, any conflict?

Luckystar. Let me make one thing clear.
Whenever I am in a dispute with Nadanino and you butt in to bring something to the table, I am entitled to take any argument brought to the table by Nadanino because you are stepping up to (her) plate in order to defend youre Rafa.

and please do not try to make a saint out of rafa or try to explaine his fistpfumping.
Just as all the top players he is a very sore and bad loser. He would not be a champion if he was a good loser. And he often does not give credit to his opponent whenever he loses (en he does lose sometimes, not one full year with less the 10 losses.) he (and his team) often blame injury or so called injuries. So they have all badpatches in their behaviour and that is ok because they are human.

Sienna, I don't care what happen between you and nadline, and I don't care what the article is all about (as the writer is entitled to his/her opinions), all I care for is that Rafa is not being wrongly accused or being singled out as the only evil when many others also doing things like he does. Now if you mentioned for example, that Rafa like many others, takes too long to serve, I can't argue with you on that, but to single him out as if all others are not guilty of the same then to me that shows biased views against Rafa.

I don't care whether Fed or Nole is arrogant or not, what I care is how they play tennis. I also don't hold them responsible for how their fans behave, for they can't control their fans. I only remark about the bashings Rafa gets from some of those fans, recently from some of Nole's fans at other forums.

Sienna, Rafa doesn't blame injury for his losses, its just that with his injury history, the media will always try to 'trap' him with questions about his injuries and trying to sensationalize any little thing that they suspect is an injury. Nobody says Rafa is a saint, you assume Rafa fans thinking so. Why would Rafa's team needs to think of excuses for his losses? I don't see him blaming any injury for his loss to Tsonga at the AO SF in 2008; his Wimbledon losses to Fed; or his recent losses to Nole. Rafa can afford to lose some matches, even some important slam matches. As a comparison, even Fed in his hay days did lose some important slam matches too. Why must Rafa think of any excuses when he lose?? Who says the no.1 player cannot lose matches? Rafa fans accept that Rafa may lose his matches here and there, as, like you mentioned, he may lose up to ten matches or more each year, so must we or must Rafa's team think of ten or more excuses each year for his losses? We just have to accept that sometimes he lost to the better man on the day; sometimes, like other players, he can get injured during a match and has to retire.

Luckystar Well said and now try to give Fed the same courtesy as you give Rafa.
I don't get it when Fed isallowed to getbashed on this siten and the slightlyist remark about Rafa and you get a fit. Lets keep it as neutral as possible.
Off course I kow that is not possible. Tennis can in my opinion onoly be enjoyed when there is a favorite/ No need in watching matches when I do not care who will win.

You see sienna, I'll defend Rafa because I'm his fan, so I assume it's Fed fans' responsiblity to defend Fed. I won't join in any bashing that's all I can say.

I actually think you are very tolerable being like this.
But now we will wait to see the draw tomorrow? I can seethe posting allready. Cupcake draw for Fed. NoRafa always gets the easy draws.
and the Nadanino (or holdie) kills it with the weak era and that Fed has earned his 23 semis streak dew to all those cupcake draws. Or something like that.

how quickly this has veered from talk of Harrison giving Rog advice. :D

Look...all of the top players hate losing, I agree with Sienna. They DETEST losing. It's what makes a champion great. I see no problem with this.

deuce, 8/5/11 8:23 PM,

I completely argree with you about Sod and Delpo! It's not like Rafa has the exclusive patent on fist pumping, for heaven's sake! Many see what they wish to see.

Now to get back on topic - I think that Harrison needs to focus on his game and work to get better before he starts giving Fed advice. Coming from him, it's beyond presumptuous. This kid has the potential to become a very good player if he continues to improve. I am not fond of shooting off your mouth before you have done anything to warrant it.

Well this Harrisson kid first have to get his physique up to the standard that is required. He is that american highschool kid with that funny hair? Still had a litle babyfat around the waist few months ago. It could be better now I havent seen him play for a wile.
I actually don't know why he would even bother trying to explain how Roger does against others. May be a rich kid? or spoilt. Well nothing better than the ATP tour to get youre act together. Roger knows that and Harrisson will have to batle verrr hard to get even remotely close to having some sort of tenniscareer.

I think Roger responded in exactly in the right way. Laugh and don't give credence to somebody who has no business giving advice to ANYONE much less a player who has won 16 Grand Slam titles.

Rog might as well have said, "Ryan who?" :D

^^^^^^That's a good one.

Luckystar. Let me make one thing clear.
Whenever I am in a dispute with Nadanino and you butt in to bring something to the table, I am entitled to take any argument brought to the table by Nadanino because you are stepping up to (her) plate in order to defend youre Rafa.

Sienna , 8/5/11 9:02 PM


You and I have never been in dispute because it takes 2 and I prefer to ignore your constant taunts as you seem to thrive on confrontation. We will never agree on anything so no point in trying to persuade each other about what we think.

Where's our Montreal blog? Wake up guys!

Arrogant. Annoying. Overrated. Nadal

always looks down past great players. Arrogant and Smug.


always fake of time-out. always fake take time. always ugly gamesmanship. etc. etc. etc.



Annoying. Arrogant manner. Overrated. Arrogant fans. unsportsmanlike.


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sucks nadal

Oh no, Our spiteful sprite is back :(

can someone do this site a favour and ban this nuisance..

" Sampras's tennis is Not tennis. " Nadal said.


LOL. Arrogant and Smug and Shame

LOL. cocky Harrison.

then Roger's comment.

ROGER FED: I haven?t heard about it. I didn?t read the piece. The only reason why I kind of heard about it was because Ryan wrote an apology to my manager to me saying he was misquoted. I like Ryan as a guy, as a player, as a kid.

Everything gets blown out of proportion. I think that?s his opinion. At the end of the day it doesn?t matter much to me because I know what I need to do to beat those guys. He didn?t even need to write me a letter, but he did. So that was very nice of him.

great expected response from Roger. The END

Wow what a tough draw for Djoker! and of course again the more difficult semi.