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  • Federer compliments Nadal's standout season

    11/12/10 9:37 PM | Johan Lindahl
    Federer compliments Nadal's standout season Roger Federer has nothing but praise for the record-setting 2010 season of Rafael Nadal as the Spaniard works to resume training after his recent shoulder complaint in time to front up to next week's ATP World Tour Finals.

    Meanwhile at the Paris Masters, Federer is thick in the bid for a third consecutive title during the post-US Open period after lifting his third and fourth trophys of the season in Stockholm at Basel.

    Federer called Nadal's effort at winning three of the four majors "obviously an amazing season."

    "Winning three Grand Slams in a year is something I've done a few times, and I know how hard it is to do. So it's an amazing effort from his side. Not only did he dominate there, but he's won multiple other titles.

    "He went through some tournaments where he was unbeatable, unreachable, which makes this a great season for him."

    But the 29-year-old Swiss knows there is more of the same likely in store from the Spaniard. And the chance to prove it could come in just over a week when the eight-man season final starts in London next Sunday. Nadal missed Paris with his shoulder problem.

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Well done Federer for finally complimenting Nadal on his achievements!

rbennett , 11/13/10 12:07 AM


wow, federer finally gives rafa a genuine compliment after 6 years.

attackingtennisrulez , 11/13/10 12:34 AM


"Winning three Grand Slams in a year is something I've done a few times, and I know how hard it is to do."
Only to illustrate that he was twice able to do it himself, lol

2flow , 11/13/10 1:03 AM


Mmmm but Rafa won 3 in a row Fed!
"I've done it a few times, and I know...bla bla.."
He just cannot help himself lol...

afrodite7 , 11/13/10 1:14 AM


If Roger had really wanted to compliment Rafa he would have mentioned the Career Golden Slam and that Rafa is only the 2nd man in the Open Era to have achieved that. Instead he praises him for the three Slams but cant resist pointing out it is something he himself has done 'quite a few times'. Where I come from that is known as 'damning with feint praise'.

ed251137 , 11/13/10 1:25 AM


who said I am a fed fan? I was the first one to notice the not so genuine compliment :P

2flow , 11/13/10 1:31 AM


afrodite7: Fed has twice won three consecutive Slams - Wimbledon-USO-AO but you're right he has not won three in the same calendar year.

ed251137 , 11/13/10 1:35 AM


2flow, 11/13/10 1:31 AM You get brownie points for that! Please fess up, are you he or she? My guess is you're a guy.

ed251137 , 11/13/10 1:52 AM


I'm looking forward to next Spring after RR. Let's see if we hear these words from Federer: "Congratulations to Rafa on winning 5 grand slams in a row. I don't even know how hard that is, because I've never done it myself."

grafight , 11/13/10 3:49 AM


Federer: 'Winning three Grand Slams in a year is something I've done a few times, and I know how hard it is to do. So it's an amazing effort from his side. Not only did he dominate there, but he's won multiple other titles'.


Why can't he praise Rafa without alluding to himself as having done it himself a few times?

nadline , 11/13/10 5:30 AM


ok, I think fed genuinely praised Rafa here for once.
He finally decided to accept Rafa's dominance..haha
The stupidest comment he made this year was that the "clay season will be decided at Roland Garros"..
how conveniently he tried to reduce Rafa's record breaking clay season till then to trash..lol
Now he seems to have learnt his lesson after 6 years. Playing mind games with Rafa will give him no joy...so might as well be genuinely honest.

atul1985 , 11/13/10 6:08 AM


It's so typical of Fed, praising someone without forgettting to mention his own achievements! Maybe that's really part of his nature, ie a bit self centred, so much so that he can't help himself when it comes to his own achievements. He just has to blurt it out loud, may not be intentional though.

luckystar , 11/13/10 6:15 AM


I think Federer was sincere in compilmenting Rafa. He added his own achievements as a reference point and spoiled the whole compilment. He came across self-centered. I think he bought into his own press for so long that unconsciously, he can only measure anything by his own achievements.

But in this case, Rafa achieved something greater than he did: Winning three straight majors on three different surfaces in a calendar year. By comparing to his own achievements, which was by no means minor or easy, he knocked Rafa's achievements down a notch. I don't think it's intentional. I think the self-centerness has been ingrained by now and it came out unconsciously.

Latennis , 11/13/10 7:32 AM


I don't think that Roger is self-centered here. If Djokovic had said... "I know how hard it is to win a single Slam, let alone 3 in a year". Or Murray would have said: "I know how hard it is to win a Slam, let alone 3 in a year". Should you have considered them as self-centered?

Fed is speaking from his own experience, the only other player on tour knowing how tough it is to win 3 Slams in a year. He knows the effort it takes and I believe he's genuine here with his praise.

Bonker , 11/13/10 7:48 AM


Every time Roger is asked about Rafa on any subject, he goes something like this - I beat him on clay in Hamburg and Madrid, I beat him twice at Wimbledon, and on hard in Miami and I beat him at the Tennis Masters Cup; he beat beat me at Wimbledon and Australia, but I was sick at the time......bla, bla bla.

Rafa praises people without bringing his own achievements into it. Not that Rafa is a saint, because only Federer has this urge not to be outdone. Other players can acknowledge other's achievements selflessly.

nadline , 11/13/10 7:59 AM


Bonker, you miss the point. No one says that Fed is not genuine, but it is his self centered nature that caused him to compare everything to himself or his own achievements.

You see, if Nole were to say 'I know how hard it is to win a single Slam, let alone 3 in a year', it would not sound as self centred, as winning three slams was definitely more difficult than winning one! However in Fed's case, he mentioned specifically that he himself had achieved that, while that was true, it made him sounded boastful of himself and might get the wrong message across, ie while Rafa's achievements was excellent, Fed himself had already achieved that well before Rafa. Do you see the difference here?

As I've mentioned, Fed may not be doing it intentionally but subconsciously his self-centerness has taken over. There is no big deal actually, so no hard feelings from me, a Rafa fan. I do not doubt Fed's sincerity in this case.

luckystar , 11/13/10 8:05 AM


Of course Roger is self centred! But then again which top player isn't? It's what gives them the fighter mentality and brings them the great results. But then again, at least faking a little modesty wouldn't hurt. @ Ed - yeah I'm a guy, funny you should guess so ;-)

2flow , 11/13/10 8:59 AM


@ luckystar - I also agree that it was probably not intentionally. He can't hide his self centeredness.

2flow , 11/13/10 9:03 AM


Many, many times federer compliments nadal, they are massive friends and agreed to play for each other's charity events in December this year - it is only that people want to see the worst. Self-centred? No 2flow. It's what you want to believe. You need to read a whole range of interviews from roger where he holds rafa in the highest regard. Once again only mean, embittered people think otherwise.

Nice that Lindahl writes something complimentary for a change, but you should read the whole of it, not this, which doesn't do it full justice.

And fed has won 3 slams consecutively for three years, not 2.

A. Won 11 of 12 non clay Grand Slams (2004-2007, won all but the 2005 Australian Open. That's four years and winning all but one non clay Slam!)

B. Won 8 consecutive non clay Grand Slams (05 W-07 USO)

C. Went 12-0 in his first 12 non clay Grand Slam finals.

D. From 2004-present, has made the finals of 17 of 19 non clay Slam finals.

E. From 2004-2007, won 7 of 8 hardcourt Slams.

F. From 2004-present, has won 14 of 19 non clay Slams.

maxi , 11/13/10 11:13 AM


---"Winning three Grand Slams in a year is something I've done a few times"---
Federer has won zero Grand Slams. He has won three Majors tournaments in a year. This year, he has been defeated at three Majors tournaments.

Federer's worshippers call him "King of the Slams". It's far from the truth. (I have read it on other sites)

Augustina08 , 11/13/10 11:23 AM


Why are people mean and embittered?? maxi, by listing down all those records, what purpose does it serve? Are you like Fed, trying to remind people about Fed's achievements? You mentioned that Fed compliment Rafa for his achievements, yet you like your idol, start telling people all about Fed's achievements. Don't you find that ironical?

Nobody said that Fed did not compliment Rafa of his achievements, and we didn't doubt his sincerity, however we also saw something that Fed's fans would most likely failed to see, that of his self-centerness.

luckystar , 11/13/10 12:22 PM


hard to make out what fed really meant when he mentioned the fact that he himself won 3 slams a few times...but yea it would have been nice had he mentioned rafa's golden slam at such a young age and the ability to bounce back frm a point when ppl had started calling off his career , and then rafa wins 3 slams on the trot on 3 diff surfaces.

@maxi, hello there...all of fed's feats u have mentioned are mindblowing, without doubt but lets not go too much into those non-clay thing because clay is not optional it is as important as the other surfaces. from 2006 onwards rafa is a staggering 57-3 in non-hard court slams !! but this stat isnt that relevant becoz we cant take out those hard court events :) cheers.

vamosrafa , 11/13/10 12:28 PM


Fed has a history of trying undermine Rafa's achievments. During last weeks, Fed has made innuendoes that Rafa is winning Major tournaments thanks to the slowing down the speed of the surfaces everywhere.
Fact is that the surfaces has not been slowed down recently.

Augustina08 , 11/13/10 12:56 PM


Hello vamosrafa, how are you? You don't seem to post that frequently nowadays. How do you see the two semifinals? Can't see Monfils beating Fed, though anything is possible nowadays in tennis. Sod/Llodra will be interesting.

PS Sorry for going off topic. Its hard to get hold of vamosrafa nowadays.

luckystar , 11/13/10 1:06 PM


fed has a history of being a very good friend to rafa. they both have a history of respecting each other and complimenting and supporting each other. Rafan fans have a history of never taking anything related to federer in context. Period.

FEDistheGOAT , 11/13/10 1:08 PM


augustina, you are entitled to your opinion which is unfair and biased. Federer embodies everything that is good about tennis. Everything.
Fedis, hello. it is a pity that there are hardly any federer fans here now, being driven away from embittered rafa fans. ridiculous, completely.
vamosrafa, lovely to see you again. I often read what you say, but notice there is another 'vaamosssrafa'? Is that a different person with a similar spelling or is it you?
luckystar, what is ironic, is i have read a few threads here where you have actually been attacked by your own kind for saying what you feel - oh my dear - no need to list roger's achievements - well, i was trying to correct a poster, (if you had bothered to read it properly), who said that roger had achieved 3 slams in 2 years, it was actually 3 slams CONSECUTIVELY LUCKYSTAR, in 3 years. That was the reason. So try to read more carefully next time, though I know that you can't cope with the truth sometimes.
people are mean and embittered luckystar when they want to believe the worst about federer and you know it so this is a conversation which is going nowhere as you refuse to comment on the posters who swing from the hip with insulting words about roger federer.

maxi , 11/13/10 2:14 PM


2flow, 11/13/10 8:59 AM Put it down to feminine intuition ;-)


Bonker, 11/13/10 7:48 AM
You clearly have a generous, kind-hearted nature and are prepared to think the best of people. But I remain cynical about Roger's motives in paying Rafa this 'compliment'.

Had Nole, del Potro, or Andy being paying this compliment to Rafa it would have been motivated by admiration for what he had achieved based on their own experience of what it takes. And, I might add, tthey would have included a mention of the career golden slam.

Dont tell me Roger had forgotten all about the CGS when he planned his speech! That he deliberately didn't refer to it makes me think his compliment was merely a grudging acknowledgment of Rafa's status. And by comparing his own achievement in having 'done it quite a few times' was reminding Rafa there's stlll 'way to go' before he can match his own records.

Unless a compliment has been elicited by genuine admiration for someone, or something, the person giving the compliment is in danger of simply paying lip service or being patronising.

ed251137 , 11/13/10 2:34 PM


@maxi haha, no i am not aware of mr 'vaamosssrafa' lol , thats not me :)

@luckystar, lol..thank you , i am doing good what about you? ywa I have not been posting much lately but i keep checking out discussions between you guys :) I will surely start posting regularly when rafa is back , eagerly waiting for his matches...


and the 2 semis , one is underway and going on level terms, llodra can be very dangerous on such a surface adn we all know how good robin is on indoors...both have a good chances but i am going with soderling..

in the second one i think federer will be too strong altho i like how monfils is engaging himself in the matches...looks more focused as he is feeling some responsibility because of playing in home..shd be a good one but fed is playing really good and serving darn well.

vamosrafa , 11/13/10 2:36 PM


maxi, Fed won three slams in 2004, 2006 and 2007. If you are not talking about in one calendar year, then there are only two times that Fed won consecutive 3 slams: 2005 Wim & USO & 2006 AO; 2006 Wim & USO & 2007 AO. He won 2007 Wim & USO but not the 2008 AO (won by Nole). He won 2004 Wim & USO but not 2005 AO (won by Safin). Did you get anything mixed up?

Why I can't cope with the truth? Why all these personal attacks? Its seems that you turn up to be one bitter fan and not us. I say what I feel, others have their right to say what they feel too, since when am I responsible for what others said? You wish to defend for Fed, that's your choice. I respond to your post because you call some people here mean and embittered, which is uncalled for. So, we do not have the right to say anything about Fed?

luckystar , 11/13/10 2:46 PM


Hello vamosrafa, I'm fine too! I agree with your take on the Fed/Monfils match, but I think Llodra has a chance against Sod. They are now into the first set tie-break, fingers crossed and see what will happen.

luckystar , 11/13/10 2:53 PM


I agree with luckystar in reference to maxi's posts and vamosrafa in reference to maxi's post of fed's achievements. I couldn't help but notice that maxi had to type "non clay" quite a bit there. Sorry, but clay is an integral part of the game of tennis (fed grew up playing on it) and you can't dismiss achievements on clay just because your fave doesn't do as well on it.

Another thing noticed (since maxi referred to "embittered rafa fans" driving the fed fans away) is that once Rafa started winning again this year, the fedfans slunk away. And what do we as Rafa fans, have to be embittered about? Rafa's Golden Slam, his astonishing clay season, his bounce back from the knee injury?? What do we have to be embittered about or is it just you hurling your personal attacks as usual? When fed lost to Delpo, I remember tons of fans, Rafa fans included, trying to calm down the fed fans who were insulting delpo. It was always said, that fed would be back and he would win again, he wasn't through and all that. I personally was the target of one poster, no longer here, who let loose a tirade of curses that would make a sailor blush! All in the name of fed I guess.

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 3:16 PM


I do want to say, in defense of this site since on another site (that I only read and do not post), many there are spreading the gossip that all the writers on here are biased to Rafa, Murray and Nole and are "anti-fed." Those who post here know that is not the case, but people like maxi are perpetuating it on her home site. When Rafa wins and fed doesn't, they all gather there and commisserate. When fed was losing and Rafa was winning alot, they disappeared from here to trash talk Rafa over there. There was no "embittered Rafa fans" driving the fed fans away. They left on their own because they couldn't handle having to defend their arguments on how Rafa would never win USO, or the Golden Slam, or even come back from injury.

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 3:47 PM


f4t: ' They left on their own because they couldn't handle having to defend their arguments'

The bottom line is that few, if any, can construct an argument to support their views. The Fed Groupies rely on posting selected quotes to justify their claim, or on trotting out endless statistics - also carefully edited. Then when knowledgable people here counter their ever more extravagant claims with logic and informed analysis they cry 'foul'. I'm not surprised to hear they migrate elsewhere to bad-mouth TT in general and Rafa in particular.

ed251137 , 11/13/10 4:14 PM


I always support great tennis and although being a hard Rafa fan I fully recognize Fed's achievements and I respect it very much. I posted comments here a couple of days ago praising Fed's latest successes in winning two titles in a row and giving him big chances in Paris...however, I must say that when I read this article of Fed praising Rafa's achievements I instantly got sick with his stupid way of emphasizing that he has done it twice...why for God sake did he need to bring himself into the picture once again? No matter what Fed wanted to accomplish by stating this he just sounded arrogant and self-centered...

natashao , 11/13/10 4:18 PM


Rafan fans have a history of never taking anything related to federer in context. Period.
FEDistheGOAT , 11/13/10 1:08 PM

do you guys notice only fed fans always say this...that rafa fans always take things out of context. it's always fed who's taken out of context, no other player gets taken out of context. instead of just admitting that fed himself ALWAYS makes conceited comments but you'd only see this if you were ready to accept he has shortcomings.

homos , 11/13/10 5:22 PM


As a parent, you tell your child things like, "Don't make faces like that or it will freeze that way." It is an attempt to stop that behavior but it seems that fed's backhanded compliments are so ingrained in his nature by now, that it is second nature to him.

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 5:22 PM


Hi fan4t, r u holed up in yet another gorgeous watering hole, u lucky thing :-*

deuce , 11/13/10 5:29 PM


Hi deuce! Been stuck in Puerto Rico for awhile now due to weather and visiting some of his family. Gonna head out in the next week or so we think back up to the Keys and then home for the holidays. My kids would kill me if I didn't--lol.

Sorry bout Andy but I still think he is about to surprise everyone! Conch fritters for all!!

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 6:10 PM


Yum, yum! :)
Oh blow the kids! U r having the time of your life!

deuce , 11/13/10 6:14 PM


The kids aren't used to 'Mom got her game back' kind of stuff--lol. They still aren't used to me dating (and travelling alone with) a surfer 'dude' so to speak. His parents are where I live too so he is going home for them too. We are already talking about travelling to Europe now (maybe I can see Rafa when we're there....heeheehee).

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 6:21 PM


Hmm fan4t, let's see you pull the wool over your friend's eyes with that one ;)

deuce , 11/13/10 6:33 PM


I'm working on it! I mentioned Spain at one point and he rolled his eyes, so I mentioned, well how about Mallorca or Ibiza (the islands) and he just told me not to even start--lol. I don't understand.....I don't complain about him ahhhing over Sharapova?

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 6:44 PM


strange fan4, how you lie in waiting, glad I provide some food for you.

oh luckystar, try not to be so me, me, me. I have my facts right thank you. go check yours.

ed, did you say your name was edwina? or ed-whiner? I can't really see the difference, because that's all you do, is whine, like a whinger.

yawn.

maxi , 11/13/10 6:52 PM


federer fans don't 'slink' away fan4, they just get tired of the same old rubbish and same old conversation, of which you are right up there peaches. Plenty of comps for rafa, alas, little for fed from yourself, so take a dose of your own medicine for a change. Did you say you're moving to spain? I sort of glaze over when i see your boring posts, hopefully you'll stay over there - for good.

maxi , 11/13/10 6:55 PM


Ahhh, as expected, nothing but insults and NO, REPEAT NO, answers to anything!

***YAWN*** ***BORING***

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 6:56 PM


maxi what facts are you talking about? What's your definition of consecutive slams. Does your consecutive slams means having a clay court slam in between??

You certainly sounded rather hostile aren't you? So when you are so offensive, we can't feel offended? What's the me,me,me? For you its Fed, Fed and more Fed! maxi not capable of proper rational talks right now, resorting to insults and more insults, insulting every one here!! Good day to you, you better stay away for the time being to allow your blood pressure to get back to its normal level.

luckystar , 11/13/10 8:00 PM


luckystar is right in pointing out that federer won 3 consecutive slams 2 times,not 3.
Chill out guys , did u guys watch the semi?? it was electrifying! gael finally living up to his potenail..he was focussed...altho fed made a mess out of the final tie brk gael deserved it.

vamosrafa , 11/13/10 8:21 PM


vamosrafa, we were chilling as you said. That person didn't start posting those insults until after fed lost the first set, then I guess she had the time. I heard monfils saved FIVE match points! If that is true, he deserved to win and gl in the final!

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 8:27 PM


Yes vamosrafa, Monfils has finally produced the kind of tennis that he should be producing all along with his talent. His forehand is unbelievable, varying the pace at ease. His serve is excellent today too, and what gutsy play! This is one of the best matches he has played so far, I can think of another one, ie the match vs Rafa at Doha 2009. Well done Monfils!

luckystar , 11/13/10 8:35 PM


yup , Luckystar , his doha 2009 qtr against rafa was also really impressive.. he is a capable player if he utilizes his potential like this

@f4t , yeah he saved 5 mtch points, GUTSY !

btw monfils joins the group of safin,gasquet,nadal, tsonga ...these guys have saved mtch pnts against fed and then won those matches...nt sure if i missed out any one

vamosrafa , 11/13/10 8:53 PM


@ Vamos: u missed the big man djoko, lol.

Guys, I think it wasn't intentional. May be it's a little bit not well said but it's probably not intentional.

bolbol , 11/13/10 9:05 PM


oh sorryy BOLBOL..dont know how i missed his name..lol..was telling the nams to my younger brother some time back and i took djo's name at the first place..lol..infact his saves were the best !

vamosrafa , 11/13/10 9:14 PM


Fed wished to experience fun on a fast court. I think, it was shown him today.
(I did not watch the Fed&Monfils match. To me, Fed is boring to watch)

<<Roger Federer Thirsts For Double Shot Of Speed.
"It's nice that some tournaments have made the courts faster again./---/
"It's good for the players, honestly, to experience a faster court again, and a bit of 'two-shot' tennis is fun for a change to do. It's tricky ? it's not easy ? but it's fun," said Federer, who will face Frenchman Richard Gasquet in his opening match tomorrow. /---/ >> [tennisnow.com, November 9, 2010]

Augustina08 , 11/13/10 9:28 PM


Correction of the text of Augustina08, 11/13/10 9:28 PM: no questioning marks.

<<....It's tricky - it's not easy - but it's fun," said Federer...>>

Augustina08 , 11/13/10 9:41 PM


well, at least we can watch a final without rafa fan nadline clicking in and saying 'c'mon whoever', spoiling it for fed fans all the while when they are watching a match. I'm going to remember that one next time rafa plays. You really are teaching me more and more here rafafans. You love giving federer fans the jackson funk, don't you?

Fan4, you do talk complete and utter rubbish sometimes. really. 100% happy with federer and what he has achieved. I'm going to say what nadline says now when rafa lost earlier on in a tourny - 'don't worry fed, go and get some well-earned rest'. she says that so often it's become even more boring than your posts, and that's saying something! I just wish you had some kind of personality that could engage in decent dialogue, but you don't know the meaning of the word 'discussion'. poor thing.

Great SF's today, true fighters spirit. Monfils was brilliant today - hope he goes on to win the final for Paris.

maxi , 11/13/10 9:42 PM


But of course Federer had to mention his own grand achievements when "complimenting" Rafa. He couldn't simply say, 'It's been a great year for him and he's done brilliantly'. Because then where would the focus be? On Rafa. We must not, by no means, forget about his achievements too!

Federer is so predictable.

I enjoyed his SF with Monfils today and was really glad Gael pulled out the victory. I thought for sure he'd wilt under the pressure but he came through. Hope he goes on to win tomorrow.

Zooni , 11/13/10 10:05 PM


monfils is so happy right now!

?I'm happy I won against Rog. He's someone I admire a lot. He's a legend of tennis, ?the? legend, and beating him is a beautiful victory. I will remember that for my whole life,? declared Monfils. ?And also it happened in very special conditions for me, in Paris, so it's only happiness.

maxi , 11/13/10 10:06 PM


On any tennis site (except for a player's personal website), most people would expect cheers and encouragement for both players in a match...not just one special one. Monfils does have his own fans, and others also can like more than one player, hence they cheer for more than one. Gets tricky when you like 2 players and they play each other..lol...but it happens. I am glad Monfils was able to win in front of HIS hometown crowd, much like fed did in Basel.

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 10:22 PM


maxi, go back to your home site and leave your venting there. For someone who claims she NEVER says anything bad about Rafa, here is an excerpt of your post over there that shows you are a hypocrite:

"Hopefully he?ll overcome the 11 straight losses he had last year and there won?t be any retirements either. I mean, really. It?s not brilliant that he should be doing this as world no. 1."

That was after accusing the original poster of venting because he didn't have Rafa to watch. Some things never change! YAWN

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 10:43 PM


fan4tennis, you are absolutely right, I did say that. But could I ask you to read the posts BEFORE that, with the rafa fans (I think it's you actually), attacking federer! I have NEVER, repeat NEVER attacked rafa. when antifed fans start, which they do in 98% of all cases, and I read those posts, then I will say something. You will NEVER find a post from me that has ever started anything against rafa. On the other hand, there are plenty might I add from you. Go back to wimbledon and see the garbage you wrote around that time. You are the pure meaning of attack.

It must be real fun living with you.
yawn.

maxi , 11/13/10 11:20 PM


I think it's rick; guy; fedend; fed is afraid - you might want to defend those attackers fan4, but really, you are becoming the joker by substantiating their disrespectful, disgraceful comments. you add your own acceptance of what they say by silence. well done.

maxi , 11/13/10 11:22 PM


@fan4tennis , 11/13/10 10:43 PM
---maxi...For someone who claims she NEVER says anything bad about Rafa, here is an excerpt of your post---

I add another excerpt:
<<maxi , 6/1/10 7:46 PM: "I hope Soderling breaks Nadal's back side.">>

Augustina08 , 11/13/10 11:36 PM


that's a downright lie augustina and you know it.

fan4, play fair. This is one of the more postable posts which fedend wrote BEFORE I wrote what I said.

Fedend Says:
Huh,
Agree with u, only then he will have a chance.
WTA is lacking quality players, hope Fed gets to play there.

Problem is fan4 AND Augustina, you only post AFTER the event, you NEVER write what's beforehand. And Augustina, seriously. You want to play dirty. Go list the many dreadful things you have said about federer, and dont doctor my words, because that is just fake and you know it.

maxi , 11/13/10 11:41 PM


Have you ever thought that the ones you accuse of attacking you (I've noticed you claim to be attacked alot and not the other way around) do so because of the very things you post as I showed and Augustina posted?

fan4tennis , 11/13/10 11:55 PM


I don't agree with all that fedend says, but there were plenty of inflammatory remarks in every blog on there. May I remind you, that is not a fed site, it is a tennis blog to serve fans of every player, not just YOUR fave. You want your own blog, then make your own site and you can set the rules.

I noticed that you had to mention the 11 losses but conveniently left out the 3 GS wins, his sweep of the clay season, and his triumph at the USO, and winning the GOLDEN career slam. Selective memory if there ever was one!

fan4tennis , 11/14/10 12:01 AM


fan4tennis, aptly sidetracked. look at the posts posted by rafa fans BEFORE I responded to them. You clearly miss the point, over and over again. because it suits your purposes, because you simply cannot admit that I am right and you are very, very wrong. Rather than attack the defenders, how about attacking the attackers for once. You see it fan4, but you can't quite make the transition can you.

Augustina knows that there were ample posts prior to mine, she chose to ignore them to give another distorted view. There is no point in trying to justify the unjustifiable. You are part of it fan4, because you are not prepared to acknowledge, nor to change.

yawn.

maxi , 11/14/10 12:03 AM


I AM attacking the attacker! lol You just can't see that it is you!

fan4tennis , 11/14/10 12:04 AM


i am actually enjoying this fan4, because I understand this is how you play your games. I think you commented recently on the facts that the few fed fans here keep quoting stats! well, shawaddayaknow, what have you done exactly? And before you start blowing your bugle, i didn't conveniently leave anything out. if you put your specs on you'd see the losses were quoted first by a fed attacker, so i returned the stats to stat man. fan4, I am very concerned about your selective memory.
Do you have a condition that you want to share with everyone here?

maxi , 11/14/10 12:06 AM


@maxi , 11/13/10 11:41 PM
Your comment <<maxi , 6/1/10 7:46 PM: I hope Soderling breaks Nadal's back side >> is at this article:

Federer, Soderling collide in French Open quarterfinal
6/1/10

http://www.tennistalk.com/en/previews/20100601/Federer,_Soderling_collide_in_French_Open_quarterfinal

Augustina08 , 11/14/10 12:13 AM


thanks Augustina.

Now please post the posts beforehand and your comments about federer.

maxi , 11/14/10 12:21 AM


Augustina,

this is fun.
You made me reminisce all over again, and see the lovely comments throughout the thread. Thank you. Plenty there for all to see, hope you all revisit the link too!

Here's another one from me (please read the posts beforehand when all the fed fans were having some fun!).


Sod will take a set, but he won't win the match, more is the pity.
nadline
, 6/1/10 4:55 PM

this is so tense.

Nadline, when rafa plays, I am going to do what you do - you are a disgrace. The "pity" is that you cannot appreciate a great tennis match. what's your problem?
It'll be a pity if Amalgro rolls over, which he probably will. No he definitely will. They all do.


Good luck to roger and to soderling, roger pleeeasseee concentrate for the rest of the match!
maxi
, 6/1/10 4:57 PM

You see Augustina, you miss the point in a big. BIG. way. Never attack. Always defend the fed for everything good that he has brought to tennis. If perhaps you want to be a police dog, then what you need to do is sniff around the posters who write such awful stuff in the first place - but that link proves it, plus there are plenty more. Should keep you busy tonight. I hope so, might keep you out of some trouble then! Woot Augustina!

maxi , 11/14/10 12:27 AM


maxi,

Somehow I am not suprised that you have managed to pull your rubber ball act again, bouncing back and forth between this site and tennis-x to cause your usual mayhem.

What happened? Did they delete your response to me on tennis-x? Are you losing control again? Be careful or you will find yourself in the same predicament you were in on tennis-x, your usual playground of choice.

I know you are bent out of shape, because Fed lost, but why do you have to spread your hate and venom here where it is truly not appreciate? By the way, talking about lies, how about you trashing Rafa for spitting saliva on court? You do have a way of getting at the important things, don't you? I mean, the things that everyone would want to say in a reasonable discussion!

Guess what! I know all about you! You aren't deaf, aren't a writer or an English major. You are a clerk! It's sad that you have to pretend to be something that you aren't or to try and get sympathy by creating a fake disability. So sad!

You think that you can go after people here to destroy the decent discussions we manage to have. Your misery spreads itself everywhere. You are a loser, so please stop giving yourself airs and pretending that you don't fight dirty.

We have all seen you for who you really are! You are not fooling anyone!

Nativenewyorker , 11/14/10 2:03 AM


Maxi came out of hiding because he smelt a title for Federer in Paris sadly Fed has gone home empty handed, she'll now now disappear and come out IF Federer get to the WTF final.

nadline , 11/14/10 5:09 AM


Sigh of relief. Monfils did us a good turn.

ed251137 , 11/14/10 6:27 AM


It seems someone needs her med.

Latennis , 11/14/10 7:06 AM


nadline, 11/14/10 5:09 AM ,

We know her too well.

ed251137, 11/14/10 6:27 AM,

Amen!

Latennis, 11/14/10 7:06 AM,

You catch on quick! I guess if you have been lurking and reading, then you know what we have been dealing with from time to time.






Nativenewyorker , 11/14/10 7:48 AM


It seems someone needs her med.
Latennis, 11/14/10 7:06 AM

Lol.

nadline , 11/14/10 8:29 AM


vindy! mindy! von! woot! You're here. Trolling back and forth. Nadline, it's a pleasure to see you here. Really. I waited until late last night for you to post, but then I got a bit bored so I went to bed, but now. I can see your name, and trouble finds you, von, (she'll be here, whoops, I forgot, she's mindy - we call her vindy at tennis.x - she provides us with so much fun!).

Yes vindy, you are the one who has so much time on their hands.

Maxi came out of hiding because he smelt a title for Federer in Paris sadly Fed has gone home empty handed, she'll now now disappear and come out IF Federer get to the WTF final.
nadline
, 11/14/10 5:09 AM

You see nadline, this is what I am talking about. You instigate, confirm and involve yourself in silly posts like this? If you want to get serious, then of course fed will spank every female player on the tour. Sadly, he is a man and he plays on the ATP. World No.2, working hard to regain No.1. Wouldn't surprise me in th slightest if he did it. Fed fans wait to see how 2011 unfold.

Nadline, I know. We were a bit disappointed that fed lost the SF's. But we expect it these days, he has had quite a few losses. In our 'group', we are trying to analyse what it is that causes fed such problems, and obviously hoping that he can come through it. I am so pleased though that he reached the SF's, because that was a first time in paris, so at least he has gained more points.

It would be wonderful if Fed was able to regain the No.1 from rafa next year. May be he will, may be he won't. Rafa has a lot of points to defend for next year, and after the AO, fed has a bit of a gap whereby he can gain more points, so we are all crossing our fingers nadline.

I don't need to 'slink' away. I read a lot over here and your inanely boring posts, along with native. oops. sorry. von. nope. mindy. we call her vindy in our group because she just cant make up her mind. but we have some fun, as I am sure you have your fun with ed-whiner - god, does that woman whine nadline. yawn. i am sure when you wake up this morning, you'll come downstairs, switch on, screw up your face and search for maxi! I'm here nadline! feel free to post away and say all the crap you usually do. I look forward to it.

Native/Von/Mindy/Vindy - trust me, you are the but of many jokes when we get together. We particularly love it when you get on your soapbox. Hilarious. you're so funny. you've made my day this morning. can we have more of it please?



maxi , 11/14/10 9:50 AM


vindy! mindy! von! woot! You're here. Trolling back and forth. Nadline, it's a pleasure to see you here. Really. I waited until late last night for you to post, but then I got a bit bored so I went to bed, but now. I can see your name, and trouble finds you, von, (she'll be here, whoops, I forgot, she's mindy - we call her vindy at tennis.x - she provides us with so much fun!).

Yes vindy, you are the one who has so much time on their hands.

Maxi came out of hiding because he smelt a title for Federer in Paris sadly Fed has gone home empty handed, she'll now now disappear and come out IF Federer get to the WTF final.
nadline
, 11/14/10 5:09 AM

You see nadline, this is what I am talking about. You instigate, confirm and involve yourself in silly posts like this? If you want to get serious, then of course fed will spank every female player on the tour. Sadly, he is a man and he plays on the ATP. World No.2, working hard to regain No.1. Wouldn't surprise me in th slightest if he did it. Fed fans wait to see how 2011 unfold.

Nadline, I know. We were a bit disappointed that fed lost the SF's. But we expect it these days, he has had quite a few losses. In our 'group', we are trying to analyse what it is that causes fed such problems, and obviously hoping that he can come through it. I am so pleased though that he reached the SF's, because that was a first time in paris, so at least he has gained more points.

It would be wonderful if Fed was able to regain the No.1 from rafa next year. May be he will, may be he won't. Rafa has a lot of points to defend for next year, and after the AO, fed has a bit of a gap whereby he can gain more points, so we are all crossing our fingers nadline.

I don't need to 'slink' away. I read a lot over here and your inanely boring posts, along with native. oops. sorry. von. nope. mindy. we call her vindy in our group because she just cant make up her mind. but we have some fun, as I am sure you have your fun with ed-whiner - god, does that woman whine nadline. yawn. i am sure when you wake up this morning, you'll come downstairs, switch on, screw up your face and search for maxi! I'm here nadline! feel free to post away and say all the crap you usually do. I look forward to it.

Native/Von/Mindy/Vindy - trust me, you are the but of many jokes when we get together. We particularly love it when you get on your soapbox. Hilarious. you're so funny. you've made my day this morning. can we have more of it please?



maxi , 11/14/10 9:53 AM


World No. 2 and working hard to get back No. 1?

ohhh the lunatic queen of fedfats is in full swing again. EVEN you include ANACONDAyou include your toes crossing, it won't work

GET BORED OF POSTING LIKE ROGER IS CLASS? hahaha.

Class ass-hole !!!

Raindrops , 11/14/10 10:30 AM


my post above is unfinished, it was sent inadvertently.

World No. 2 and working hard to get back to No. 1?

ohhh the lunatic queen of fedfats is in full swing again. EVEN you include ANACONDA with your crossed fingers and toes in favor of Roger is just just doesn't work because big mouth Federer is oldman.

No matter how you tried to convince yourself using records of other people who managed to regain No. 1 is just doesn't work because Rafa is healthy, fit and strong and at his supreme prime along with the big boys in the top 10.

The more you dream about it, the more you live in despair Gwaharkharkhark !!!

GET BORED OF POSTING LIKE ROGER IS CLASS? hahaha.

Class ass-hole !!!

Raindrops , 11/14/10 10:40 AM


Since our friend is so fond of sending quotes about the virtues of her idol I thought I would redress the balance and remind her that many journalists - who are normally pretty respectful, if not fawning, towards TMF - were appalled by his lack of grace after Berdych beat him at Wimbledon:

Federer's excuses, dismissive remarks at Wimby invite criticism


These were some of the reactions, all from journalists with experience and perspective:

"The press conference was embarrassing, the words of a man in denial."
-- longtime Wimbledon chronicler Art Spander

"The excuses fell from the king's sky like acid rain...so put-upon, so unlucky...to see Federer fighting reality so hard was disturbing."
-- Matt Cronin, TennisReporters.net

"It strayed dangerously close to rationalization."
-- Greg Garber, ESPN.com

"His reaction -- that he was dogged by back and leg injuries that hampered his movement -- was particularly ungracious."
-- Neil Harman, the Times of London

"Federer's aura of infallibility at the All England Club? It's long gone, up the hill in the Wimbledon village, having a pint at the Dog & Fox."
-- Mark Hodgkinson, Telegraph

"He was sour, sarcastic, self-pitying, the portrait of an ungracious loser."
-- Linda Robertson, Miami Herald

"The day that Roger Federer says that the 'quarters is a decent result' for him at the All England Club, we really have reached the end of an era."
-- Steve Tignor, Tennis.com

"It wasn't his back that failed, and it wasn't his leg. It was his nerve. That's how it is when a great champion's determination and courage begin to ebb. And, like the proverbial cuckold, he's always the last to know."
-- Pete Bodo's TennisWorld

All in all, Mary Carillo concluded, "I heard him give a bunch of different interviews, and he kept bringing up the injuries, which is not like Roger. I feel bad. Berdych played the match of his life and had to defend his win."

ed251137 , 11/14/10 10:49 AM


@ed


As i remembered this is the 3rd or 4th time that you are posting the same thing.. whats the point??

Federer always speaks what he really think and he can't filter out the things like others to sounds good and diplomatic correct.

I know many times things don't looks good but they seems true e.g. his comment about WTA tour!!

mani4Tennis , 11/14/10 11:27 AM


oh dear,oh dear, oh dear, ed-whiner. we do like to have a little temper tantrum don't we. thanks for the article though. i do like to see both sides of things. two can play at that game lovey. i've just found this - thanks for the link ed! on the flip side, here are some thoughts or comments if you like about rafa's behaviour as wimbledon as well - i was just wondering though ed-whiner, what you think about rafa's cheating, and the fine he received for cheating, twice I believe? and second the fine he received about the time he was taking to bounce the ball. what are your thoughts about this? We really do want to keep this fair now don't we? I am all for discussion peaches, and i know there are zero fed fans on this forum because of the callous depiction of federer more often than not, but I'm up for it today. Have had my breakfast and really understand that you play by different rules here, so I have to have that sort of spirit and fortitude that you possess, it's hard though, but i'll try my best for you.

Rafa's poor sportsmanship:

"We're finished with him," he once said of former Spanish federation president Pedro Munoz, after witnessing some appalling behaviour that would take too long to relate here.
"I don't have nothing to speak with this man," he said after getting exasperated with former ATP head Etienne de Villiers' plans for shaking up the tour.
At Wimbledon, though, there often seemed to be some nagging conflict. First, he couldn't meet the Queen because it was scheduled for the same time he had to get ready for his practice.
Then, he got warned for receiving coaching from his uncle, Toni Nadal, during his five-setter against Phillip Petzschner in the third round. Rafa responded angrily, telling the umpire, "We gonna talk with the supervisor later."
It didn't stop him from being fined for the incident. "Sometimes in the past, Toni talk maybe too much," Nadal maintained. "But not today, in my opinion."
In the quarterfinals against Robin Soderling, he got ticked off once more.
Early in the second set, the umpire decided to award a crucial point to Soderling instead of replaying it when Soderling successfully challenged the call. Nadal did appear to have had a play on the ball, but his parting shot at the umpire still seemed a little paranoid: "So you want to see another No. 1?"

During that match, Soderling called for the trainer when Nadal was about to serve for the third set. The Spaniard wouldn't criticize his opponent afterwards, having received mid-match treatments himself earlier in the tournament. But he did believe that the trainer took too long to arrive. "For me, the wrong thing is we wait for the physio five minutes," he said.

Nadal has long shown a more opinionated side of himself when speaking in Spanish, and now looks to have become quite confident expressing himself in English as well.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon10/columns/sto ry?

Ed-whiner what are your thoughts here about rafa's behaviour? his fines? his cheating? his retirement from matches? I am really, really interested.

maxi , 11/14/10 12:18 PM


Mani4tennis. 'Federer always speaks what he really think and he can't filter out the things like others to sounds good and diplomatic correct.'

Exactly. I rest my case.

ed251137 , 11/14/10 1:18 PM


All Fed managed to do was turn a lot of diehard tennis fans off the sport with his lack lustre game, dancing his way past players who let him win.

Rafa, The Ultimate Tennis Player.

nadline , 11/14/10 1:21 PM


maxi, no one is the least bit impressed with your 'edwhiner' nick name. Yawn!


Rafa is the ultimate tennis player.

nadline , 11/14/10 1:28 PM


oh really? But nadline, I'm impressed with it! Had me laughing all morning.

All Fed managed to do was turn a lot of diehard tennis fans off the sport with his lack lustre game, dancing his way past players who let him win.

Rafa, The Ultimate Tennis Player.
nadline
, 11/14/10 1:21 PM

yes of course. that's why he has 5 million fans on facebook nadline, and won endless edberg awards - 6 now I think? How many has rafa won? Um, zero.

Roger is the ultimate tennis player!

VAMOS ROGER!

Nadline, I am really enjoying the conversation with you this morning. Can I have some more please. Next time, 200 miles an hour though. Not 50. :(

Ed-whiner, can you answer my post please on rafa's cheating? his time wasting? his bad manners on court, all the evidence is above, but you've kind of gone a bit quiet. are you okay?

maxi , 11/14/10 1:49 PM


maxi: I am not in the habit of plagiarising other peoples' comments. Those quotes were from an article in Sports Illustrated.

ed251137 , 11/14/10 1:51 PM


ding dong ed! can you answer my post please?

Oh ed,

could you read this please? I just think it's brilliant, that despite federer being no.2, ALL, including rafa still regard him as THE BEST TENNIS PLAYER EVER!

LEGENDARY!

"He's someone I admire a lot," Monfils said about Federer. "He's a legend of tennis, the legend, and beating him is a beautiful victory. I will remember it for my whole life."

Federer had a 5-0 record against Monfils before their semifinal.
I'll wait for you ed. :)

maxi , 11/14/10 1:54 PM


I would have thought by now you would have learnt that I dont sink to futile slanging matches. Go and play your games somewhere else ducky.

ed251137 , 11/14/10 2:08 PM


maxi, if you can't grow up, go get some professional help. this is beyond disturbing behaviour. you don't have to identify so closely with federer....if a fan criticises him, it's not going to kill him...or you! he's no perfect, none of them are! you are totally out of control.

homos , 11/14/10 2:34 PM


"out of control"

sums it up nicely homos.....;)

vrael , 11/14/10 2:39 PM


come on ed! I'm waiting! I haven't got all morning!

morning homos! Homos, try to be reasonable. Ed posted a link, I read it, and I posted one back. I don't actually know why that is a crime? or is it because you don't like the truth staring in your face? oh dear homos. smile a bit more lovey.

homos, I am really enjoying this, this morning. I have just read your posts for a long while, but had a really healthy breakfast and it's made me feel really good.

homos, you are absolutely right about your comment above, so I have posted it here, and changed the name from roger to rafa - so we are then equal!

"you don't have to identify so closely with rafa....if a fan criticises him, it's not going to kill him...or you! he's not perfect, none of them are!"

homos. you are right. and this is all in good fun, a bit of humour on a cold, grey sunday morning. really, ed has cheered me up. finding that link was the best thing she could have done! thanks ed! so much excess energy has been released. it feels good.

c'mon ed, I woudl love to hear what you have to say to my questions, if you can spare some time?

maxi , 11/14/10 2:39 PM


Save your breath maxi, you just made yourself looked like one vengeful soul. Go back to your Fed worship, I think you'll be happier there. Why make yourself so miserable, fighting a lost course. Whatever bad things you post here about Rafa, it won't affect us a bit. Unlike you, can't even accept any comment about Fed. Fed doesn't even know of your existence! You are making life miserable for yourself for worrying about every comment about Fed.

Fellow Rafa fans, I suggest we leave maxi alone and stop responding to her posts.

luckystar , 11/14/10 5:05 PM


luckystar?

c'mon. you can dish it out, but you have to take it too! Of course fed doesn't know of my existence. here's some news for you too! rafa doesn't care one iota about you either!

Let's just discuss, not digress!

maxi , 11/14/10 5:52 PM


maxi,

Oh, dear! You have gone round the bend yet again! The only one who has multiple identities is you - hi tennisnba! You can try to once more make your pathetic loser attack that von and I are the same person. To that all I can say is - *yawn*!

I notice that you didn't answer me on your other site. What, still in moderation, girl? That's what you get for opening up your big foul mouth all over the place.

The truth is that we are all laughing at you! You never answered what I said, did you? Coward to the end! Just keep going on the attack! You lied about being deaf to get sympathy. Or do you even remember saying it? Do you just write these inane blatherings and then forget what you said? You aren't an English major, you are a plagiarist who copies and pastes comments from those who know something, to cover up your ignorance.

You are coming on here to disrupt this site, to take out your revenge. It's what you do because you have no life, no profession, nothing! A wannabe, a pretender, a never-was!

That's you!

madmax/maxi/tennisnba - Yikes, I can't keep up with all your names.

Come to think of it, I liked it better when you posted in that laughable broken english. Now that was more at your normal level. But keep on posting, copying and pasting, like a good little girl, because there was never an original thought in your poor excuse for a brain.

Cheers or is it Cheerio!

Nativenewyorker , 11/14/10 6:50 PM


One last response to you maxi. I don't go around websites, looked for every comment about Rafa. I also won't bother to respond to any negative talks about Rafa on other websites. There are only two websites that I visited and post, this is one of them. I don't care whether Rafa knows me or not, what's important is he plays good tennis and I get entertained by that. Of course at the same time I'm happy for him for his achievements. I don't go around looking for every comment and started to defend for him each and every time. Only those bordering slandering, like accusing him of doping, then I get infuriated and respond.

When people criticize him of time wasting, grunting, butt picking or whatever, I don't bother too much, as I accept that Rafa is not flawless. I believe I have the right to discuss about other players shortcomings, Fed included, as long as I'm not slandering or sound abusive; that's my stand.

luckystar , 11/14/10 7:01 PM


mindy/von/nativenew/

sorry to let you down. I said about 3 months ago here. It's just me, i have no other name and I said to cheryl, i have no problem whatsoever in her checking my IP address as I have nothing to hide. You, peaches on the other hand, troll back and forth from TX to TT, to TMS, you are all over the place! Geeeeezeeee louise, i cant keep up with you. but i do understand that you think my posts are important and that you cling on to the hope that you can recover from your dreadful vindyitis.

good luck.

luckystar, i'll repeat once more. ed posted a link. wimby link. i responded as a follow on link - it's absolutely true. you dont want to believe that. there is nothing i can do about that, is there? I have responded to attacks on federer. i have never attacked as a first person. i leave that to vindy,native, and all the other aliases she uses. she is mad, you see. have a look at her posts and see who is the attacker here. i completely understand that you have to defend the rafafans, but not a troll like vindy. it serves no purpose.

i accept also that roger is not flawless. i just wish that rafa fans (you included - as I have read what you have said), would just give it a break. it gets tiresome.

that's my stand.

maxi , 11/14/10 7:14 PM


maxi, what is your definition of attack? To comment about Fed being self centered is considered an attack? So, practically everything under the sun about Fed, saved for some praises, cannot be discussed?? And you said that you accept that roger is not flawless! So we are not allowed our opinions, and have to seek your approval before posting anything about Fed? I DO NOT think that by saying that Fed is self centered, I'm attacking Fed, unless you really think that Fed is flawless beyond any reproach! I think I'm just expressing an OPINION that I'm entitled to express and I'm NOT handing out any attack on anybody.

Whatever happen between you and ed, I'm not interested and you do not need me to believe anything. I just don't like the idea of going to every Rafa related thread and seeing similar things being posted by you. I'll leave you and ed alone. That's my stand!

luckystar , 11/14/10 7:33 PM


maxi/madmax/tennisnba/rogerlove (sorry, not enough room for all the names),

You didn't do your homework! I specifically requested that you provide everyone on your home base forum with your do's and don'ts for how we should conduct ourselves. What happened? Did you get put into moderation again? Is that why you are here spouting off?

I have been waiting for you to come on there and tell us all what to say and how to say it. So have you decided to campaign for moderator of this site now? How about some rules of conduct from the one who knows best how to incite, inflame, disrupt?

Is your life really that dull these days? Can we be of any help in your distress?

I am so sad that you are in such a terrible state. It appears that this latest Fed loss has made you lose what little was left of your mind.

Tsk, tsk!

Nativenewyorker , 11/14/10 7:33 PM


oh deary vindy. we have got it in for maxi at the moment have we not? No. really. I am fine with fed's loss. We are used to those more and more now native. we have to get used to it. when rafa reaches 29, (I cant wait by the way!), fed fans will see whether he is world no. 2 and still winning tournaments. we shall just have to wait and see.

native. do you actually know what you sound like. really? read your posts and then maybe, just maybe, pause and take a breath, then let out a really big scream, and see if you feel a whole lot better. Like I said to you before vindy, (i dont know what to call you!), if i dont respond to you, try not to take offence, you are windier than a pair of scottish bagpipes. forgive me for not answering all your posts. It's just you write soooooo much, but say soooooo little!

nitey nite vindy, oops, native!

maxi , 11/14/10 7:54 PM


maxi, I'm glad to read that you're tired and giving it a break, that gives me a break too. Please don't address any more things to me, I've enough from you. I'll continue to express whatever opinions I feel like expressing and need not get any approval from anyone. Thank you in advance.

luckystar , 11/14/10 7:55 PM


lucky, i absolutely agree with you. you dont have to thank me in advance. i have been on a bit of a roll today, its unusual. but after reading so many crappy posts from zero tennis fans, i had to have my say. it has been fun today because i actually stood strong all day and didn't 'slink' away as nadline put it. now as for ed who started this by posting the wimby link, looks like she's disappeared.

you dont have to address me either luckystar. i respect that.

nite nite.

maxi , 11/14/10 8:01 PM


@maxi, waiting for nadal to reach 29 and wondering if he would still be winning is a bit unfair.. he started wiining earlier so the comparison is not fair.. we have to look at the number of years they spend at the top.. say if federer spent close to what 7 years at the top now? nadal is closing in on 4-5 already I would say.. So if nadal stays in top 5 for two more years, he would have to be acknowledged to have had more longevity than he was ever expected to have by most experts...

FEDistheGOAT , 11/14/10 11:17 PM


maxi: "I can see your name, and trouble finds you, von, (she'll be here, whoops, I forgot, she's mindy - we call her vindy at tennis.x - she provides us with so much fun!)."

Now who is the one who includes the other's name in her posts all of the time, you? STOP your nonsensical jargon/ranting and assigning aliases to people who are not like you, it's irritating. Only an idiot would campare me to NNY, because our writing styles are so different. You''re just trying to stir up trouble for the posters here because your beloved Fed lost, and we all know how much you become depressed when he loses. The end result, everyone has to pay, which is what you're doing now.

As for your remarks "she provides us with so much fun!)." You're so right I provide "us" so much fun, considering you're Sybil and there are many of you locked up into that dimwitted head of yours. I provide the fun for you and the other inhabitants in that grey matter of yours which is now full of many compartments to accommodate the many "US". Gosh, it must be a daily battle of which one overtakes the other, to present to the world a face, on a united front. Good grief girl, I feel for you. There's only one of me in my head, and yet I sometimes have a problem of whether I'm doing the right or wrong thing, but for you, it must be a humoungous war of immeasurable proportions.

Listen everyone, she can't do this on Tennis.x, because she's in moderation, so she comes over here and does her two-bit act trying to out posters who are normal and who only post with ONE post name. We all know she has many, Tia maria, et al. . The Nadal posters on Tennis.x, would blow her to smithereeens (now look up this word Maxi and digest it) if she dares say anything out of line, not the mention the moderation which cuts her posts.

Maxi/Sybil, I once told you to BEHAVE yourself, now run along and do just that. Gosh it must be so sad to be so miserable and let hate be the center of one's life. you're a pitiful case of jealousy. sheesh.

BTW, I don't come here often, but I knew you'd be here today stirring up trouble, and I can see I'm right. now you can say I can read you like a boook.





Von , 11/14/10 11:35 PM


And, maxi, one more thing. it's sad you have to stoop so low as to try to disrupt the posters here, not to mention bringing what happens on one site to the other, and distorting the facts of what actually goes on on the other site. Whether it's here or Tennis.x, don't you see no one interacts with you, unless you specifically draw them out, which is what you make a point of doing. sheesh. It's so pitiful how much you crave being in the spotlight and taking over the podium. You'd start a war with any poster just to see your name in the mx up. MAD-max.

Von , 11/14/10 11:47 PM


"I wish I was lefty".... this is the most idiot comment that I have ever heard from Roger... If I am not wrong, he said this after lost to Rafa in AO 09...

tettylds , 11/15/10 1:36 AM


I was hearten to read the comments of others. I am so glad to see that others totally get Roger's narcissim/ insecurity/ what ever. It is most obvious when he speaks about Rafa, but I hear it every time he utters a word. His commercial about a visit to needy children has something like all the children come running, 'to see me of course'. I bet most if not all of those children never heard of him before organizer set up the visit scene. Why can the run of excitment or just because they are children? I don't mean to so cynical but this guy has a genuine problem. Charity work should not be about anything but the charity. Doesn't he know that charity work reflects well on him; he dosen't have to talk about himself.

I heard once that Marus Arelius (Roman history) gave one slave the single task of following him around only to remind him: 'you are only a man', especially when he was praised by the population. Perhpas Roger should put some of his hard earned money to work and hire someone to curb his ego, or if not his ego, then his mouth. The point is that no matter how good he is at tennis, he will likely always fall terribly short in realm of character and a champion's attitude. That is a shame because his skill can make him apprcieated, but people see through every thing else.

lillylew , 11/15/10 3:22 AM


I am sooooooo sick of all the fighting! Seems a lot of people just need to STOP! WHy don't we just let this play out on the damn court! Their tennis will speak for itself.

How lucky we are to be around for these 2 great players.

Holly , 11/15/10 5:03 AM


Instead of saying you're sick of the fighting, which I am also, but there's just one person who's doing the fighting and attacking innocent people because she has a case of displaced anger. The truth is she cannot handle any of Federer's losses, so innocent people have got to pay for what he didn't do to satisfy her ego.

That said, instead of saying you're sick of the fighting, why not address the source. I'm sure you can see without a doubt who's responsible for the comments which are comprised of lies, exaggeration, name calling, etc., and are aimed to incite and instigate a war.

Von , 11/15/10 5:16 AM


Von, I think what Holly was trying to say was that personal comments made to or about other posters should just be ignored. Although I read a lot I am not a frequent poster here but it seems to me that the more you respond to certain people the more they enjoy it.

cal23 , 11/15/10 5:46 AM


I read the comments here with amusement, exasperation, followed by sighs of boredom, and lastly indifference. It really is best just to ignore people like maxi - they get their kicks from doing what they do. Ignore ignore ignore. Why glorify them by responding??
To get to the post - really Fed is not very diplomatic is he? Every time he opens his mouth to compliment Rafa, he just sounds arrogant. It's actually quite amusing LOL.

Blessed , 11/15/10 6:37 AM


I am sooooooo sick of all the fighting! Seems a lot of people just need to STOP! WHy don't we just let this play out on the damn court! Their tennis will speak for itself.


Holly, 11/15/10 5:03 AM

Their tennis have spoken, and Rafa is No 1, so let's leave it at that.

nadline , 11/15/10 6:41 AM


Just come across this on Bleacher:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/518567-roger-federer-h is-hubris-the-gods-rafael-nadal-and-nemesis

Hmm...the writing sounds familiar.

Latennis , 11/16/10 9:10 AM


Wow, just logged in now and seen how quickly this thread has filled in - there's no way I'm going to read all of it - but let Fed say what he wants without searching a second meaning to everything. So, he's a bit self-centered - I guess that's partly why he has achieved so much. I'm willing to give him a break.
It's good that he praises Rafa, no?

Shireling , 11/16/10 10:00 AM


Whoever is No.1 is better? Rafa fans especially you nadline, never used to leave it at that till nadal became one :). Strange shift in philosophy that.

FEDistheGOAT , 11/16/10 10:02 AM


@Latennis, 11/16/10 9:10 AM

It's a great article. Fed is self-admirer, indeed.

Augustina08 , 11/16/10 2:07 PM


FITG: and fedfans would never accept that Rafa had earned his number 1 rank (it was only those pesky clay tourneys that helped him) and even fed said at one point that he will not ever get used to NOT being introduced as the World Number 1. Even your idol himself is guilty of what you accuse Rafa fans of doing.

fan4tennis , 11/16/10 3:51 PM


yes fan4tennis,
I also found this statement from Fed a tad 'larger-than-life'... Anyway, whether he wants to see it or not the time of his dominance has passed.
By the way, I've just seen that Rafa will play again Djoko, Roddick and Berdych in the first round at O2 London.

Shireling , 11/16/10 5:14 PM


Whoever is No.1 is better? Rafa fans especially you nadline, never used to leave it at that till nadal became one :). Strange shift in philosophy that.

FEDistheGOAT , 11/16/10 10:02 AM


If you think back it was their h2h that was always the bone of contention.

nadline , 11/16/10 5:32 PM


f4t, for what it is worth, i have no issues with acknowledging rafa as a worthy No 1. If anyone was worthy of taking the mantle from TMF, it was rafa.

Nadline, so the yardstick is where you draw it right? Thanks.

FEDistheGOAT , 11/16/10 5:58 PM


Nadline, so the yardstick is where you draw it right? Thanks.

FEDistheGOAT , 11/16/10 5:58 PM

You could say that. Lol

On another note, Delpo is now No 259 which means he is likely to play anyone in the 1st round anywhere; he's only got the 180 points from the AO last year, and if he doesn't do well there, where will that leave him, I wonder. How different things look from this time last year, when Davy and Delpo made the final of the WTF, players really have to be on their toes all the time to stay at the top, because it could all change so quickly.

Will Delpo get protected ranking, because he did come back and then hung up his racquet for the rest of the season.

nadline , 11/16/10 6:25 PM


I looked up the rules on protected ranking, so it looks like Delpo will be covered until the summer.

Q. What is a protected ranking and who is eligible?
A. A player may petition the CEO for an Entry Protection when he is physically injured and does not compete in any tennis event for a minimum period of six months. The written petition must be received within six months of his last tournament.

The Entry Protection shall be a position in the South African Airways ATP Rankings, as determined by the player's average South African Airways ATP Rankings position during the first three months of his injury. The Entry Protection shall be for entry into the main draw or qualifying competition or for special exempt consideration. The Entry Protection shall not be used for seeding purposes, Lucky Loser consideration or for entry into the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals.

The Entry Protection shall be in effect for either the first nine tournaments that the player competes in using the Entry Protection (excluding wild cards and entries as a Direct Acceptance with his current position in the South African Airways ATP Rankings) or for the period up to nine months beginning with the first tennis event that the player competes in, whichever occurs first.

nadline , 11/16/10 6:32 PM


vindy, you are such a big *yawn*. Look at the length of your posts - crazily, eerily, seriously, distortion of the truth. von didn't you promise everyone that you would go away for 6 months? what happened? Don't you think it's strange that when mindy is here von appears within minutes/an hour, and then all of a sudden your posts melt, no merge, into one post which is full of blah blah.

Great news about the draw at the O2, out today. Group B, harder than Group A on the following basis:
If you go by indoor results this season then Group B is toughest by far with 5 indoor titles. Group A has no indoor title holders this season. (thanks nelta!).


maxi , 11/16/10 7:38 PM


That was actually good information maxi...

So nadline, can you put it in a nutshell? what happens to delpo when he comes back? I didnt get the implications... maybe we can have an artice on this.. ricky? cheryl?

FEDistheGOAT , 11/16/10 8:29 PM


I believe that Delpo will be able to enter all tournaments that he would have qualified for as World No 5 (except for the WTF) which was the rank he held before he took injury time out, but his placing in the draw will be as someone outside the top 100 because he is currently No 259 in the rankings, which means he could be drawn against the top players in the early rounds.

The protected ranking will last for 9 months from the first tournament he competes in, or for 9 tournaments whichever happens first. I assume that because Delpo came back briefly and played 2 tournaments in Tokyo and Bangkok, he will have the protected ranking for another 7 tournaments or until July 2011, whichever comes first.

nadline , 11/16/10 8:47 PM


thanks carrie.. i hope that works in delpo's favour.. HE has to win a LOT of points to get anywhere though.. mind boggles when i start to think of how much and how well he'll have to play to scale the same heights again.. Top 10.. wow

FEDistheGOAT , 11/16/10 9:40 PM


Yep maxi, agree that Group B is the tougher group and more harder to predict the the top two. At this moment and time I'd probably pick Federer and Soderling to go through. One thing's for sure, Rafa's definitely not going to lose all 3 matches like last year..

lebsta2 , 11/16/10 10:00 PM


lebsta, it actually makes a change for a rafa fan to say that rafa has an easier draw for once. Who cares, if he is no.1 he should be able to beat everyone - I'm just looking forward to watching it live, was able to get tickets, so i'm happy. the top 8 players all playing each other, just crazily fantabulous!

maxi , 11/16/10 11:05 PM


maxi wrote: "if he is no.1 he should be able to beat everyone"

So when fed was Number 1 all those years, he won the WTF every year and never lost?

fan4tennis , 11/17/10 12:59 AM


Maxi-MAD-MAX, Tia maria, TennisNBA, ET AL: What in God's name is wrong with you woman? Your ramblings are indicative of an unsound mind, or didn't you know that. Homos was right, you are schizoid, Sybil.

Question: Do you think you appear intelligent to anyone when you try to show these ridiculous correlations between myself and NNY? No, you only appear STUPID, AND DUMB. GOT IT????? You're like an angry/rabid dog who's gotten hold of a bone and won't let go of it. If you have just a smidgen of pride left, you'd stop with these nonsensical ramblings and make an effort to behave in an adult manner, instead, you persist in making yourself appear to be a juvenile delinquent. I suppose they closed the doors at Creedmoor and look what they left on the doorstep.

Do you like being the laughing stock of this forum? Please, for the sake of your decency try to salvage what's left of your pride (I'm hoping there's some left) and try to behave like a normal human being. Or is that too much to ask? You know what my training tells me, that you're just a frightened little girl who's in need of some tender love, and it makes me sad that you're damaged in such a way, but only you can help yourself. Your attempts to anger people, is displaced anger, and is indicative of someone who's hurting pretty badly and desperately seeking attention, but you're going about it the wrong way. You'd like for everyone here to be nice to you, and it's why you seek them out, but ridiculing them is not the way to gain the attention you so despertely crave. Rememeber, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I wish I could dislike you, but instead I feel a deep sorrow for you, and I wonder what has happeneend in your life to make you so bitter and fearful. I say this to you not as someone who hates you, as I'm incapable of hating anyone, but more out of concern for my fellow human being.

Von , 11/17/10 6:53 AM


Hi everybody. We need to take collective action to put an end to the troll's activities.

I propose we all register our disgust by email to the TT administrators in the hope they will take action.

Meanwhile if people can resist the temptation to respond to the ramblings and refrain from rising to the insults and taunts maybe she will get bored of talking to herself.

ed251137 , 11/17/10 7:33 AM


Maxi: "von didn't you promise everyone that you would go away for 6 months? what happened? Don't you think it's strange that when mindy is here von appears within minutes/an hour, and then all of a sudden your posts melt, no merge, into one post which is full of blah blah"

Now, exactly when and where did I say i would go away for 6 months? And, which one of YOU saw that post.? I want evidence of that statement. if you can't produce it, which i'm certain is not available, then stop LYING. I'm sick of your childishness to draw people out just to gain attention. You'll take the attention anyway you can, even if its a big old drawn out mudslinging contest. sheesh. You're beyond pitiful.

Everytime I come here to read, i see something nasty written by you towards me, and i'm still baffled as to what I ever did to you, except to prove that you are a liar of the worst kind.

you're lucky the writers on this site aren't mean like some on other sites, or else your posts would have been deleted. Both ricky and cherly have been the center of your many attacks when you get with your friends in an effort to discredit TennisTalk. And, yet you persist in posting here, even though you badmouth this site so much. Not only did you do the damage, but you had your clique of friends saying unkind things about TT, because they are just a bunch of dimwitted dummies for listening to you. Shame on you!!

Von , 11/17/10 9:18 AM


annoying Nadal fan.

tennisnba , 11/17/10 9:46 AM


players are always made to wait time. useless time is spent. misbehavior of medical time out. saliva is vomited in the clay court.

formally protested against by other players in the past. To the nadal's usage at egocentric time. annoying move in play. annoyingness of movement when win.

and the trophy is always bitten like the infant. muscular power. always shout play

tennisnba

I superadd. Do you know? Nadal said nigger-, To the black man. a racist. hypocrite. I never admit Nadal. And, arrogant Nadal's fan is really hated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFIVbyKIGQw

haha

tennisnba , 11/17/10 9:48 AM



>Again Nadal gets an easier draw. The other 2 besides Djokovic are free points

agree

tennisnba , 11/17/10 9:51 AM


Moderators,

Please do something about this filth on this site! Must we read inappropriate and unacceptable racial slurs, too, from our resident troll? This will keep happening until you act and do something! No one on a tennis forum should have to come on here and read this filth about Rafa!

Nativenewyorker , 11/17/10 10:06 AM


Roddick, Nole and Berdych are no walks in the park. Rafa has a tough draw to get through make no mistake about it, I hope he is 100% fit for the task ahead of him with no niggles to worry him.

nadline , 11/17/10 10:07 AM


Though Roger was obviously tired. Monfils is great victory. However, he of the final was too tired. Robin congratulations. Robin comes to London by fantastic play. And, Marais and David. It is a very tough draw. go Roger. true class. love you Roger

tennisnba , 11/17/10 10:19 AM


LOL,Again Nadal gets an easier draw and Robin comes to London by perfect play -- nothing wrong with these sentences. This person is only disgusing her writing style, with bits and pieces of improper grammar, however, at times, she forgets that she is in the disguise mode, and writes properly. I suppose she's at work and using her office computer which is why her IP address will show up differently from her home computer. sheesh

Von , 11/17/10 11:10 AM


why the personal attacks? isnt it possible that someone might have bad english? this site is based out of Spain i think and currently site location is sweden... so there shouldnt be any requirement for perfect english to be on this site right?

And i dont get which invisible person everyone is attacking all the time... Are we talking of GoMuzza? That was long back wasn't it?

FEDistheGOAT , 11/17/10 2:16 PM


FITG: You ask why the personal attacks. I see you are pointing this at the Rafa fans and STILL have nothing to say about the mountains of harassing, attacking, lie filled posts of your best friend maxi. She was the one who always brought up the racist comments (and voila...here they are again under tennisnba). By trying to disguise herself, that says more about her state of mind than anything. Try looking in your own fedfilled corner before you start throwing stones!

fan4tennis , 11/17/10 3:42 PM


REMINDER.

Vote for Rafa on the ATP website !
Voting ends TODAY, on 17 November.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Fans/Fan-Favorite/Fan-Favourite -Voting.aspx

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Fans/Fan-Favorite/ATP-Worl d-Tour-Award-Nominees-2010.aspx

Use the links
or click "INSIDE ATP WORLD TOUR/ATP World Tour Awards/Vote For Your Favourites" on the bottom part of the front page of the ATP website.

(If you click the button FANS on the top part of the front page of the ATP website, you'll see Fed)

Vamos, Rafa the Superstar !

Augustina08 , 11/17/10 3:58 PM


maxi wrote: "if he is no.1 he should be able to beat everyone"

So when fed was Number 1 all those years, he won the WTF every year and never lost?
fan4tennis
, 11/17/10 12:59 AM

that wasn't my point. My point is that nadline makes excuses all the time for rafa's losses. she doesnt watch his matches, only on record (by her own admission), she says he is tired, he is ill, why does she even support him? I just dont know.

Federer had nothing to do with the conversation, so read more carefully next time before you start accusing. sillymilly!

maxi , 11/17/10 9:03 PM


Point made!

No excuses were made for a Rafa loss that hasn't even occurred yet. To put the pressure on him that was not also afforded to fed when he was Number 1 is hypocritical. YOU missed the point! And you stated this on 2 different threads.

fan4tennis , 11/17/10 9:22 PM


By saying Nadal has easy draw is so silly.... Berdych, Djokovic both beat Federer in grandslams this year.... absolutely tough for Rafa to beat these two guys.... while Federer probably only Murray can trouble him... in my opinion Federer's draw is easier....

Btw, I like this article photo... is very nice memory for me as a Rafa fan.... Rafa is fantastic human being.... great champ!!!!!

tettylds , 11/18/10 1:53 AM


These are the top 8 players in the world, no one has an easy draw. Any of them could win :)

cal23 , 11/18/10 3:25 AM


tennisnba is idiot.... Rafa is No 1 player.... he is much better than your idol.... whatever you said about Rafa personal behavior, there in nothing more humiliating than trophy presentation AO 09.....

tettylds , 11/18/10 3:59 AM


LOL, tettylds, your above post sounds similar to tennisNBA's posts, which is a form of idioglossia, and it's quite funny. an d is characterized as follows, and I think No. 2 is an apt description of what she's doing, or what TennisNBA is doing:

1. A private form of speech invented by one child or by children who are in close contact, as twins.
2. A pathological condition in which a person's speech is so severely distorted that it is unintelligible.

Von , 11/18/10 4:48 AM


Von, absolutely I am far different than tennisnba. Even if I dislike Roger I never accused him. What I told is real.... Rafa is No 1 player, why I said he is much better than Roger now because he won 3 slams and 3 masters this year....

tettylds , 11/18/10 6:35 AM


Saying Rafa is racist is worse than an idiot also... in our country we call black people niger also, but absolutely we are not racist.... it's only a language...

tettylds , 11/18/10 6:43 AM


This tarnishing of Rafa's character should be stamped on. Just imagine if Rafa had been accused of betting, how some Fedfans would have jumped on his back calling him all sorts of names, compare that to the objective attitude taken towards Federer by Rafans, who actually came out to defend him, because whether they think Federer is the GOAT or not, and for all his faults, they know that he would never do anything like that.

No one should get away with gratuitous character assassination of anyone especially a player who is not here to defend himself. Saying Federer is arrogant doesn't fall into this category, but calling someone a racist is.

nadline , 11/18/10 8:58 AM


nadline,

I already contacted the moderators of this site about it. I also told them exactly who it is, writing it under a phony screen name with badly disguised broken english from her computer at work, so the ip address won't be the same.

If they won't do anything about it, then all I can do is express my personal outrage.

FEDistheGOAT,

Why on earth would a reasonable and intelligent person like yourself even want to associate with someone like maxi and all her other identities and screen names? Why would you even believe the nonsense she spews? You can see for yourself what is going on here.

Also, I disagree with your sad attempt to try to pass off tennisnba's ridiculous and phony broken english, as somehow authentic and to even imply that we would disrespect those for whom english is not their first language! Now that is beneath you!

There are people who come here and don't speak perfect english, however their posts may have some grammatical errors and mistakes and they may not get all the words exactly right, but they don't attack other posters gratuitously. That's all tennisnba does all the time. By coincidence, maxi said the exact same things on tennis-x, only she said it in her usual writing style and syntax and grammer. The comments were the same, only the broken english was the difference on this site and the screen name. The details were exactly alike, right down to the disgusting reference to Rafa spitting saliva on court. She wrote all of the things she despised about Rafa's on court personal behavior. The content and attacks in both posts were precisely the same.

You are trying desperately to distract attention away from the real issue. This is NOT about people here who do not speak perfect english and you know it. I am quite disappointed to see you even attempting to lamely defend a person who is clearly seriously disturbed and in need of psychological help.

You never answer those of us who have asked you direct questions about maxi's revolting personal attacks on us? Or is the mere fact that we are Rafa fans sufficient justification in your mind for some of the things she has said? She instigated the latest series of attacks. Here's a little bit of advice - just because you don't like what Rafa fans are saying on a tennis forum, doesn't give you or anyone else the right to throw around the most baseless, vulgar, gross attacks on their character.

I am fed up with seeing myself referred to as a fictional person named "Vindy", which is Von and Mindy combined. Von wasn't even on this site posting, yet she had to come here only to find that she was being attacked in absentia.

Please take off the blinders!

Nativenewyorker , 11/18/10 9:38 AM


NNY,

first of all, i was not trying excuse any behaviour..

I dont read all posts here and I dont read all the blogs here.. only the ones wit fed/rafa as the subject.. and i read only the posts f people i know from talking to before (like yu, nadline,ed, raindrops, maxi, senorplaid, etc)

So i have seen only one post of tennisnba till now and i ddint think it derved the kind of concerted attacks you all were directing at that post, hence my reply. I probably should have scrolled up to see why such a reaction hapeened but i didnt cos i was outraged at your rection.

By the way i dont know about maxi on other coloumns, and i make it a point to skip most 'personal vendetta' posts ( of which there seems to be more nad more) in which onlt personla insults and no tennis discusson happens. So my judgement of maxi is purely from her interactio with me and not how she talks to you.. and i consider her a normal tennis fan

to repeat, everyone here are strangers to me and i judge people here only on how they talk to me, not on how they talk to others.. hence i dont judge maxi on how she talks to you just like i dont judge you on how yu talk to her.

This is the third time someone is asking why id ont react to her posts.. well my naswer is that i havent seen any posts attacking any tennis player...

FEDistheGOAT , 11/18/10 10:10 AM


Bad case of keyboard trouble. reposting without the typos

NNY,

first of all, i was not trying to excuse any behaviour..

I dont read all posts here and I dont read all the blogs here.. only the ones with fed/rafa as the subject.. and i read only the posts of people i know from talking to before (like yu, nadline,ed, raindrops, maxi, senorplaid, etc)

So i have seen only one post of tennisnba till now and i didnt think it deserved the kind of concerted attacks you all were directing at that post, hence my reply. I probably should have scrolled up to see why such a reaction hapenned but i didnt cos i was outraged at your reaction.

By the way i dont know about maxi on other columns, and i make it a point to skip most 'personal vendetta' posts exchnged (of which there seems to be more and more) in which only personla insults and no tennis discussion happens. So my judgement of maxi is purely from her interaction with me and not how she talks to you.. and i consider her a normal if passionate tennis fan

to repeat, everyone here are strangers to me and i judge people here only on how they talk to me, not on how they talk to others.. hence i dont judge maxi on how she talks to you just like i dont judge you on how you talk to her.

This is the third time someone is asking why i d nt react to her posts.. well my answer is that i havent seen any posts wantonly attacking any tennis player and hence didnt see the need to...

Besides she seems to be the last fed fan left here and i dont want to be the lone ranger here.. that might be a bit selfish of me, but that is the truth.

FEDistheGOAT , 11/18/10 10:16 AM


Taking guilty pleasure in seeing a cocky person who 'shoots his mouth off' being 'taken down a peg or two' is one thing: it's different matter entirely to join in the cowardly behavour of 'kicking a man when he is down'.

The former is a an understandable and normal human reaction. The latter is the antithesis of fair play.

It is possible to be critical of TMF's arrogance whilst at the same time admiring what he has achieved.

The constant fighting and smear campaigns by warring fans reflects badly on the noble sport of tennis.

ed251137 , 11/18/10 11:37 AM


Hey ed251137

From my part - I believe now that, in this open e-medium where anybody can write pretty much whatever comes to their minds, the best defence against aggressive posters is complete indiference - anythingelse it's a waste of effort.

But it is posts like this last one of yours - (very decent indeed :) - that keep me coming back to this site - thx :D

Shireling , 11/18/10 2:44 PM


Thanks Shirling. That's made my day >80

The very gladiator nature of all sports which are a duel between two people polarises their supporters. But my god it gets out of hand sometimes. Agree 100% that turning your cheek the other way is the only defence - but easier said than done when you are are the target of spiteful attacks.

ed251137 , 11/18/10 3:22 PM


FEDistheGOAT,

You just will not see what you don't want to see. Everyone was perfectly fine here, having a nice discussion until she swooped in on her broomstick and started lobbing grenades here and there. It's not my nature to back down when attacked. She won't intimidate me at all.

The posts are on all the blogs for everyone to see. I have no problem letting people see the truth. She starts it, so I get in there and finish it. I will never back down, never stop standing up for what I believe to be the truth, no matter what fictional and infantile names I am called.

I have no problem with Fed fans being here, as long as they behave. She doesn't know the meaning of the word. However, she is a good manipulator and I can see why you would be fooled. You imply that she is somehow righting a wrong. That is simply not the case. She is gratuitously and self-indulgently throwing personal attacks at people who aren't even posting on this site. What does that tell you? Then they come here and see that they are being attack in absentia. So should they just roll over and let her get away with it?

She lives for this, it's all she knows, the attention is what she must have at all costs. Negative attention is still attention.

I am sorry, but in this case you and I will have to agree to disagree. It's too bad, because you are one of the more reasonable and intelligent Fed fans who have posted on this site. I have no problem with you, only your choice of friends! :)

Nativenewyorker , 11/18/10 8:36 PM


native, PLEASE will you stop your preaching. I'm not going anywhere, and really, who is the one flying on their broomstick (that's funny, you do have a sense of humour!). This is what I am talking about vindy. looky here:

*****"You just will not see what you don't want to see. Everyone was perfectly fine here, having a nice discussion until she swooped in on her broomstick and started lobbing grenades here and there. It's not my nature to back down when attacked. She won't intimidate me at all.****

I dont expect to intimidate you at all vindy. but you have to respect the fact that not everyone will agree with you. the fact that everything was perfectly fine, is because ALL rafa fans were patting each other on the back and agreeing with each other. count the federer fans here on this forum vindy. how many do you find? hardly any. so why should i go away because i am in a minority? I am enjoying seeing the odd intelligent post (which doesn't by the way, include you, because you just go off on one every single time - WHO might I ask throws the grenades? certainly not me, but you! really, you are such a blinkered person). calm down. see the funny side of your posts. It's you that is getting wound up here. You are going to give yourself a heart attack lady if you're not careful, and really, I think I might miss your badly aimed throws of paranoia. take care now, really. you must take care.

maxi , 11/18/10 10:23 PM


maxi/Madmax/tiamaria/tennisnba,etc.

When you refer to me properly by my screen name, then I will stop. I am not going to dumb it down just because you can't keep up. I know you, I know a lot more than you think I do. If you want to play, that's fine. Some in your little group are talking because they have a conscience and can't stand to watch your insanity anymore. I am just repeating what I have been told on good authority. That's what you simply do not get. Even people who knew you and were on your side, have been appalled by your actions.

Please stop pretending that you are fighting the good right for the right of Fed fans on this site. I have no problem with Fed fans being here, I have a problem with YOU! Get it? You are not intelligent, this copying and pasting of someone else's ideas to make yourself look better, is pathetic and obvious.

You told me that I think that I am "hot" with language". No, I don't think I am, I KNOW I am! So am I to understand that I should dumb it down just so you can keep up? You tell me that your little group laughs at me. Why would you think I care what any of them think? Yes, they would laugh because they don't like smart people who can use words that they don't understand.

Keep up the google stuff! You are getting better. Don't expect me to stop using big words you don't understand. You see, that's the way I talk. I don't have to prove that I am smart and knowledgeable, because I am. A wannabe, a poseur like you isn't going to shake me up.

I am strong and healthy! I have no intention of getting a heart attack. Longevity is in my family, so sorry to burst your bubble of a possible imminent death or illness, but it just won't be happening any time soon.

Keep the good work! Since you have no life, why not waste some more time pretending to be someone who has a brain. I would never say that I laugh at you - no, I just feel incredibly sorry for you. That's about all I think I can muster for someone who is as lacking as yourself.

Cheers! Have a nice day!

Nativenewyorker , 11/18/10 11:53 PM


Honestly, maxi, this has really gone too far. Is your head so thick that you don't understand that Von and Mindy are not the same people? Anyway, since you insist on using my name in your posts, which is some kind of fun for you read the following:

I've been p;osting on Tennis.x much longer than you have, using the same post name Von. The only reason I began posting on this site was due to you and your other firned Duro who got on Tenniks.x and referred to me as *crazy Von*. I was decent enouigh not to confront you there, but came on this site to ask you what you mean by calling me *crazy Von*. you lied and said you meant it as being a passionate person.

Since that time you've joined up with several groups against me, the djokovic group,the email group, and lately the bracket group, all of which is just a breeding ground for gossip, using me as the one who's responsible for all your woes. I'm discussed for no reason. This information was given to someone who is in touch with one of the djokovic group and I now know what goes on in the emails and the bracket, where your goody two shoes friend jane, and another poster, were shooting off their mouths of how much they don't like me. Well, ask me if I like the phoney jane, whose mission is to be anyone's side kick the latest, DR. It's the only way jane can get the attention she craves. Because sitting on the blog all day, isn't doing it for her, so now she has to do the most despicable of all things, amke the bracket her chat room to call me all sorts of names.

I told you to stop using my name and you won't, well, guess what, I'm going to post this thread on Tennis.x, for all to see your lies and madness.

Von , 11/19/10 12:45 AM


I think it is nice for Federer (an immortal with 16 slams) to praise the spaniard ( a mortal with 9 slams). This however, does not change the fact that Nadal is boring. I'm glad to see players like Del Potro and Soderling making breakthroughs, as they'll slowly start to blast him off the court. And we won't have to go through the whole, will Nadal catch Federer debate. Amen.

eelesino , 11/19/10 1:13 AM


For a hater like you eelesino, of course Nadal is so boring, but for experts and fans, seeing Nadal is so satisfying.... lots of run, lots of rally, lots of tactics.... and please don't forget Federer at Nadal age, only had 6 slams while Nadal already 9....

tettylds , 11/19/10 1:54 AM


eelesino,

Since when do you get to decide who is the immortal and who is the mortal? You mean Rafa at the age of 24 is expected to have 16 slams? Do you really think that argument makes an iota of sense? You have to be kidding! Your logic is non-existent.

Don't hold your breath for the likes of Sod and especially, Delpo, to blast Rafa off the court. As I recall, the last two times Rafa and Sod met, Rafa won decisively. Oh, in case you forget when it happened - how about in this year's RG final in straight sets and then again at Wimbledon in four sets.

Now as far as Delpo, well, it's not Rafa's fault that he hasn't played him this year. In case you have been hiding under a rock, Delpo was out for most of this year with serious wrist injury that required surgery. He won't be back until 2011. I wish him luck and hope he can come back, however, I think if you are expecting him to blast Rafa off the court, as you said, then you will seriously disappointed.

Don't get too depressed! Rafa isn't going anywhere and will be around for a long time.

Nativenewyorker , 11/19/10 3:43 AM


@eelesino - When I speak to some of my friends who are Fed fans, they now say that they are beginning to like Rafa's game especially the kind of play he produced at the US Open. The are Fed fans, but they also have a keen sense of tennis.
Unfortunately, you are not one of them. You are one of those fed fanatic, who cannot appreciate anything good in tennis apart from Fed

atul1985 , 11/19/10 5:05 AM


not to worry...when federer starts losing more frequently and in earlier rounds (which has and will continue to happen to all players), those who jumped on his winning bandwagon (which was the in-thing to do) will jump right off it... ;)

homos , 11/19/10 5:53 AM


cal,

rafa has got an easier draw - read my post earlier, here is part of it: (you obviously missed it). try and back yours up with something though, not just emotion.

maxi , 11/18/10 8:03 PM

Maxi, there's no emotion in my post at all. Like I said, these are the top 8 players in the world and there's a reason why they are. There is no easy draw. Just because some of them have had success indoors doesn't mean that they'll have success here.

Is it likely that Ferrer or Berdych will win? No, but that doesn't mean they can't. Who would have thought that Davydenko was going to win last year? It only takes one of these players to have a stand out tournament (which they are all capable of doing) for them to win and it only takes one of them to have a bad day to not progress.

By the way, I'm not an expert nor a fortune teller so I can't back my opinion up with anything other than the fact IT'S MY OPINION.....

cal23 , 11/19/10 6:56 AM


Some Fed fanatics seemed to forget that Sod had blasted Fed off the court this year at the FO, and then went on to be blasted off the court in straight sets by Rafa. Also Fed was blasted off the court, not once but twice by Delpo last year. Its more likely that going forward Fed will be the one being blasted off the court by these big giants, as Fed is physically on his decline. Rafa on the other hand is reaching his peak and hence its more likely that he'll counter the giants better than what Fed can do.

luckystar , 11/19/10 12:16 PM


This however, does not change the fact that Nadal is boring. I'm glad to see players like Del Potro and Soderling making breakthroughs, as they'll slowly start to blast him off the court. And we won't have to go through the whole, will Nadal catch Federer debate. Amen.

eelesino , 11/19/10 1:13 AM

The fact is Roger is just as likely to be blown off the court by Sod and Delpo, when he is fully fit and firing on all cylinders. Don't forget that these two players have never beaten a fully mentally and physically fit Rafa.


The thing is, Rafa has already passed Roger, here are just a few of his achievements that Roger can only dream of, there are so many that I have just selected a few, if you wish you can look it up on Wiki.

Some of Rafa's achievements:

With Mats Wilander, winning at least 2 GS on grass, clay and h/c
Only winner of GS on clay, grass and h/c in calendar year
With Rod Laver, winner of three consecutive GS in calendar year
Simultaneous holder of Olympic singles gold medal and GS on clay, grass and h/c
Most Masters titles
The Clay slam plus Roland Garros
The youngest player in the Open Era & fourth overall, at just 24
The only player to reach nine different ATP Masters tournament finals
The first teenager to win a Grand Slam singles title since Pete Sampras won the 1990 US Open at age 19.

Roger's 16 GS titles are more than Rafa's 9 because Roger is 5 (FIVE) years older, give Rafa another 5 years, and then compare.

Funnily enough, I find Roger's tennis boring, it actually put me off tennis for a while until Rafa came along; so one man's meat is another man's poison.


Rafa is the ultimate tennis player.

nadline , 11/19/10 12:47 PM


eelesino,
Sodall couldn't stop Rafa winning RG and Wimbledon this year did he, but he stopped Roger at RG. Roger couldn't even get passed Berdych whom Rafa brushed aside to take the Wimbledon title, so I think you are going to be disappointed if you think Sodal and Delpo are Rafa's nemesis, you are clutching at straws.

nadline , 11/19/10 1:36 PM


Hey nadline, thx for the stats - hope that you enjoyed your time with your daughter.

Let's see in what shape Nadal is , I can't wait to see him playing again!

Shireling , 11/19/10 1:50 PM


This is probably not the best place to put this but Nadal's threads are scarce
For Rafa's fans :)
(he came 2nd in this 1998 Spain's junior championship - against all odds - all the other kids were 16-17 and he was 12!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzD82bpvIok

Shireling , 11/19/10 2:01 PM


't is been gettin' a lit'l 'eavy 'round 'ere, so.... lit'l anti-dote...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBQCN_eaKjk&feature=rel ated

chlorostoma , 11/19/10 5:13 PM


@Shireling , 11/19/10 2:01 PM
No wonder that three years later (in 2001) Rafa became a professional player.
Thanks for the lovely video!

Augustina08 , 11/19/10 8:01 PM


The whole talk of Rafa getting blown if the court by players like Sod and Delpo is rubbish. It happened in 2009 when Rafa was of his game. Rafa never lost to them in 2010. If fact Rafa feeds of such players. As long as he is fit, he will likely never lose to mindless ball bashers.

Fed on the other hand is more likely to lose to such players as he is stubborn and tries to out hit them. We have seen Fed lose to such players time and again (and in BIG matches) to such players in 2010. 2011 will not be any different until Fed devises a strategy to counter such BIG hitters just like Rafa did.

atul1985 , 11/20/10 3:35 AM


maxi,

I am going to request one more time that you stop this insanity of referring to Von and myself as the same person. Just because we support each other and have a common enemy, doesn't mean that we must morph into one being. We have different writing styles, Von is a staunch Roddick fan and I am a diehard Rafa fan. We don't even always agree with each other, as you have seen.

It's funny that you see what you wish to see. You project your own personal problems into others. You don't get to sit on your high horse and lecture other people here about how they should act, what they should say, who they like. Your own friends, people who have known you well, have finally had enough of your antics.

As far as ed, I cannot speak for her, but somehow I think you would be the last person she would want to be trapped in a pothole with in any way. You stalked her shamelessly when you first swooped down on the people who were posting respectfully. You went from blog to blog, even as she tried to get away from you. She is not a person who engages in insults, fighting, inciting, inflaming or starting any kind of trouble To see you going from blog to blog, calling out ed?, ed?, was truly bizarre.

You are not interested in having a reasonable discussion. You simply want to impose your opinions and beliefs on everyone else. There are Nole fans, Murray fans, Roddick fans, Delpo fans, Sod fans all posting on this site. We do have disagreements at times, however, unlike you we can manage to do it like mature adults, not with a temper tantrum like an overgrown baby.

Von wasn't even on this site posting when you started attack her and me at the same time. If you continue to post the blatant falsehood that we are one and the same person, then people will persist in believing that you have gone off the deep end.

Nativenewyorker , 11/20/10 9:51 PM


native,
get lost will you and stop deliberately coming on here trying to start something.

Dont for one moment think that I am going to fall for what you have said - oh, and by the way, YOU and VON had a MASSIVE argument on TX. and you damn well know it! It is there for all to see!

Then I thought to myself, what a convenient argument to have to throw people off the scent. Just wait a few minutes, a couple of hours, and Von will be here. You're the same person and you know it. How can anyone fall out with themeslves.

I didnt start attacking von. This is exactly what I have been warned about. I defended Jane, Jane thanked me, von went ballistic. You know it, I know it, von knows it, vindy knows it - you are NOT mature. You are mad.

It is you who has completely lost the plot.

Are you going to admit mindy that you fell out with von and von fell out with you (if of course, as you say you are two different people), or do you conveniently gloss over the fact that you two are now the best of friends. That was one incredible tantrum the two of you had over there - why forget the argument of the year mindy?

And dont come on here telling me that I am a variety of people, when YOU chose to use another name - my god, what a hypocrite you are.

"You simply want to impose your opinions and beliefs on everyone else. There are Nole fans, Murray fans, Roddick fans, Delpo fans, Sod fans all posting on this site. We do have disagreements at times, however, unlike you we can manage to do it like mature adults, not with a temper tantrum like an overgrown baby.".
Nativenewyorker
, 11/20/10 9:51 PM

This is quite incredible Mindy. Why dont you tell everyone how YOU spoilt the tennis bracket set up by kimberley! Spoiling it for everyone, yes Mindy! we all felt the same. YOU spoilt it. Blatant lies, blatent falsehoods as you so kindly describe YOURSELF. You talk in religious speak, just like von. It's vindy at her best.

Blog to blog - I just have to laugh at your audacity, you are the most arrogant of people. I read what Ed said, I disagreed with her. That's it. Go get fixed mindy.




I find this laughable!

maxi , 11/20/10 10:17 PM


I dont have any friends on tennistalk mindy, but that doesn't bother me, because none of you are worth being friends with any way.

When I visit, I visit here when I like and post if I feel there is something I want to say, it's irrelevant whether you are here or not - we are always going to be enemies because i have no respect for what you say - you are a pretender.

As for the following:

"Your own friends, people who have known you well, have finally had enough of your antics".


I have plenty of friends on TX as you know, what you don't know is that we talk outside of TX (on the phone, by email and have even arranged to meet), we have some great discussions which occasionally involve saying what an awful person you are and how hateful you have become), so two can play at that game vindy. You would not be a nice person to know in real life, so look at yourself before you start judging others. As for the pothole situation, I mean it. I would do what I could to save someone else. I remember some of the hurtful comments you made towards me about my hearing and the fact that I wanted sympathy. No way. Not ever. It's the worst possible thing you could say to someone in my position. It just makes me feel even more determined to understand the hearing world and to succeed. You just show yourself up with your nasty comments and I am glad that I am in good company with people who think the same and feel the same way about you.

You are not a nice woman.

maxi , 11/20/10 10:36 PM


maxi,

Why on earth do you think I would deny that Von and I had an argument on tennis-x! You are a little fool, aren't you! Yes, that is what two people do when they happen to be friends and have an honest disagreement. They can also find a way to come together again. So, yes, sorry to debunk your fanatic ravings, but we are two people and you know it.

There was a person who called us "Vindy" on tennis-x. Now you are doing it. So it was you who instigated it on tennis-x. I know that you are frustrated because you were put in moderation by tennis-x when too many people complained about you. So you have to come here. You can't embarrass me or scare me. I don't work that way. I just keep on coming back with the truth. I have been on this site for enough time that people know who I am, how I speak, how I act.

You fight with everyone, all the time, any time, any place. You keep turning around the argument. You started up with me again. Everyone knows who instigated it and lying to protect yourself won't work. You are the resident "troll" here, only you hide your real agenda under a lot of lofty aspirations.

You just don't like smart people who think for themselves. I am not a phony and a wannabe like you. I don't have to google things, so that I can talk on a forum. You are the lowest form of humanity, the lowest of the low. You throw dirt on people without thinking.

You stalked ed and everyone saw it. You think that you can connive, manipulate and control. You are not going to control this site, that's for sure. No one wants to take to you, even acknowledge you. However, you will not responsiblity for your own rotten actions. You have the reputation here that you deserve. Well earned, I might add!

Nativenewyorker , 11/21/10 1:06 AM


One last admonition to you, maxi. I know nothing about your bracket challenges or whatever you call them. Your ludicrous accusations are getting more bizarre by the day. If this is the only thing you can do, make things up out of thin air, then it's unfortunate.

I will not be responding to any more of this deliberate attempt which YOU started yet again, to disrupt, inflame, defame or use character assassination. We all know who you are are and all the ridiculous games you play.

I will leave it up to the moderators to decide how to deal with your persistent attempts to intimidate posters on this site.

Can't you find something more useful to do with your life? Really!

Nativenewyorker , 11/21/10 2:13 AM


LOL, MAD-max, @ 6:53 pm, to quote you, another one of your "elongated bagpuss posts" yet again, brimming over with lies to distort the facts. Now, I'm positive you have gone off the deep end, as one of your acquantances whom you think of as a friend, as confided to me a few days ago. They have all read your lying posts on this forum..

I won't dignify your lies with a rebuttal, because about 99.5% of the sane posters on this forum know that YOU ARE the liar, as they've been subjected to your wrath and lie spinning on numerous occasions. Is there even ONE poster on this site you've not attacked????

As to who's the troll and who's not, well, that's an easy deduction Watson, IT'S YOU. Who's the one that's going back and forth between Tennis.x and TT? YOU. You are the resident troll on both sites.

Re the following quote: "I'd like to state, thank you to maxi, who on Tennis.x mentioned a few months ago I was a nice poster. Von , 9/11/09 11:13 PM" That was written before you teamed up with your buddy Duro and launched an all out war on me, even stooping so low as to call me "crazy von". I got suckered into your little scheme of trying to win friends. If I weren't decent, i wouldnt have thaked you, I would have ignored you.

I don't need to explain again why I came on this site to confront you, as I said it all before a few days ago. I remember the reason you began with your nastiness, because you got onto Tennis.x and decided to lecture me, with your didactic ramblings. You are the worst kind of personality to deal with, as you're so out of touch with reality, it's sad. Have you forgotten those stupid posts about liking everything to be *calm* and it's why I confronted you, as I've not seen anything *calm* in any of your posts -- you keep fighting with everyone.

BTW, you lied about my presence on the bracket site where i'm allegedly disrupting the discussions and causing problems for everyone. To begin with, you're not registered over there, and to get on you have to have an account. i was able to read because someone gave me the information on how to log on, just so i can see how two of them in your little group were bad-mouthing me. The cowards couldn't confront me, so they did the cowardly act of going on there and ridiculing me, because they are gutless. That said, you are only lying about what's transpiring on that site, because you're not a member. sheesh. How low can one go.

You know very well that Mindy and I are not the same person, but it makes you feel justified when you use your aliases, as you rationalize your behaviour away in your sick mind, which probabaly goes like this: *if they can do it, why can 't I*.

I'm glad you saw the disagreement between NNY and myself, but only you would think of us staging that argument to fool others. Why?? Because it's something you'd do, and have done many times to take the focus from you and try to throw people off. You're a very street/gutter smart one I can tell you that. Let me guess, est-end, cockney, et al. I lived in the West-end, so I know your type and run from them as fast as my legs can carry me.

According to you I'm not decent, ask me if I care about your demented opinion. But all of your alleged friends (even though you don't really have any) have told me they think you've really lost it and have gone too far with your insults. If you only knew how many of them talk about you, you'd be shocked. Don't you notice that NONE of them rise to your defense, and they leave you hanging by the thinnest thread, hoping it will break and you'd fall flat on your derriere? Get real, and wake of from fantasy land.

You stated:

"I have plenty of friends on TX as you know, what you don't know is that we talk outside of TX (on the phone, by email and have even arranged to meet), we have some great discussions which occasionally involve saying what an awful person you are and how hateful you have become), so two can play at that game vindy."

You think you have friends on Tennis.x, but in reality you don't, as it's the same so- friends who are spilling the beans on you and telling others how much they can't stand you.

I'll say this much, you all deserve each other, as to stoop so low as to form a club for the sole purpose of bashing other posters. The hate is very thick. The love group that's comprise of a bunch of liars that get together for the sole purpose of discrediting other people.

BTW, how do you talk on the phone, when you claim to be DEAF? I CAN NAME YOUR LITTLE GROUP, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO SO? I still don't understand why they don't defend you when you spout off your garbage. I know the answer, because they're just using you to do their dirty work If you call a group whose main focus is to gossip about others, then WOW, you're all very ,low. BTW, didn't you notice that I called out two of them for their gossiping? and, if they are really you friends why are they letting your little secret out of the bag?

FYI, and theirs, I care nothing for your group and any of you, you're all very pitiful, and have nothing to do, but all day to do it in -- so much time on your hands, as to stoop so low as to wform a group for the sole reason fo destroying another's good name. This is what happens when a bunch of low class people get together. Not one can be rational as they are all down in the mire. At least three of them agreed you're crazy and they know for a fact that Von and Mindy are not the same person. One of them is so ashamed of his actions, that he can't bear to speak my name. he and I were email friends long before you came on the scene with your marmite.
As per Edward Gibbon: "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."

Have fun Maxi, and give your groupies this message from me: "Hi y'all" I love you all."

I rest my case.

Von , 11/21/10 3:31 AM


Mad-max: "The friends you have lost are because you have been rude and insulting towards them and they are fed up with having to hear it from you. "

I didn't lose any friends, I lost nothing. If you call a bunch of gossipers who'd gossip behind my back and badmouth me, friends, then one has really got to be sick. They are backstabbers, and you can tell that to the chief one, Ms. Goddy two shoes, and your marmite buddy, as they're the perfect hypocrites. I noticed goody two shoes mentioned the other day that she's not a nadal fan, what a turn-coat, she used to pretend to like Nadal until he began beating the hell outta the Djoker. And, now she's sucking up to the Fed fans, pretending to like him. This is why I'm not liked because I'm not a turn-coat, i stock to my guy through thick and then, unlike her, and I call her out on her phony behaviour.... To think I used to defend that phoney one. sheesh.

Von , 11/21/10 3:45 AM


Oh Maxi: I just figured something out, now I understand why you felt it necessary to defend your *friends* albeit they were wong. Just remember this, i'm the one who stopped interacting with them on the site, not the other way around. And, I never had to get into a group via phone or email to bash other people as they are doing to me. FYI, yhe same dog that brings a bone, carries a bone, and if they can turn on me, they'll certainly turn on you. GT IT???

Von , 11/21/10 5:25 AM


see what I mean? Whereever mindy goes, within minutes, alter ego von appears. von, native, mindy, vindy, I have been told 'not to feed the trolls'. I am your food. You two are hilarious. It's like a puppet show. a bunch of gossips? Not at all, von they think you are mad. and you are. How are you getting on with your failed final exam on psychopaths?

maxi , 11/21/10 11:18 AM


'BTW, how do you talk on the phone, when you claim to be DEAF?'

von, please read my posts carefully, you are becoming selective - von, I am partially deaf - if you read my prior posts about a year ago - it is there in black and white - i have had a cochlear implant, it helps a lot, and enhances my hearing. some sounds are not as muffled now - I can still speak to people on the phone - I lip read and I also use sign language - BSL - not the american version - so that clarifies that one.

as for however long you have been on TX, it makes no difference. People see you for what you are. you're not liked von because you cause trouble and are rude. That is why duro no longer converses with you.

maxi , 11/21/10 11:26 AM


You know its a shame that you are all spending time arguing, instead of getting on with each other like we all should basically be as we all share a mutual love for tennis, even if you disagree on certain points theres no need to get personal with each other is there?
Anyway to address a point Nadline made earlier, I agree that Soderling is not a particular rival to Nadal (Despite being the only person to beat Nadal at Roland Garros), I would have to say Del Potro is, beating Nadal three times in a row, and the argument that he never beat a 'fully fit rafa' is nonsence, even though Nadal clearly wasn't at his best at montreal and the us open, he still competed, meaning he was fit enough to play tennis at the highest level, and he beat Nadal early 2009, whilst Nadal was in a very good physical/mental condition.

rbennett , 11/21/10 1:11 PM


maxi: I would suggest you get your facts straight. I'm the one who don't like them, and I've said so to some of them, and it's not Vice-versa. I don't communicate with Duro because he decided to be abusive towards me, and even took it further by incorporating lies into his argument. He was banned from this site, and it's the reason he does not post here any more. Then he got onto Tennis.x pretending to be a nice guy, but a leopard does not change his spots, and his nastiness was soon revealed. I have a thread archived that I can print here on this site, to show who attacked whom , and who is turning the situation around to save face -- Duro. It's impossible to deal with a liar. The two of you are very similar to each other, as you make up lies to get yourself out of a corner, when the opponent backs you into same.You fight back by making up stories -- you'd make a good low-class fictional writer or the famous Bronx fighter you keep harping on, the only thing is the Bronx Fighter was not mentioned in the cotext you are using it nowadays. Poor, poor, Maxi, she's got her facts all distorted, and now seems to have run out of lies..

I mentioned the amount of time I've been on Tennis-x just to show you that (which is something you know anyway) NNY and I canot be the same person, but it tickles your fancy to hold onto that piece of nonsense as your whole baseless argument is premised on that little piece of trivia. So keep it up if it tickles your fancy and also is empowering for you.

Your little gang does not like me, but did I ever tell you, that I don't like them?? The one you defend so vehemently is someone I distrust most of all, as she sits there lips sealed and engages in the discussions and attacks aimed at NNY and myself, without even venturing to speak even though she's mentioned to someone else that she knows you are wrong.

NNY an d I are both too smart for all of you put together and it's why you all don't like us, because we can see though your transparency. Isn't it strange that no one on this site likes you, but in order to save face, you've turned it around and sings a different tune, b ut it's still the same , when all is sid and done, we don't trust and/or like you. You are like a nuclear explosion which will blolw up at any moment. No one on this site like you, I wonder why??

With respect to my failing of exams, what are you talking bout/ something you've pulle out of a clown's hat, the one you wear? I've nevr failed anything b ut if it makes you feel good to know that i faile something, then so be it, I won't be the first and/or the last to do so.

As for the pathetic bunch, I don't commuinicate with them because I was alerted a long time ago that they were discussing me on the bracket. They are a bunch of mindless twits, who've got nothing else to do but sit on the blog al day long and chin wag, as their tennis knowledge is limited.

With respect to people seeing anyone for what they are, that applies to you loud and clear. You are not normal in many areas of your life and you are a virtual nuclear explosion waiting to happen. You and Duro are of like minds -- lying to get yourselves out of a mess -- your motto: when everything else fails, revert to lying. Just remember you can fool some of the oepole some of the time, but ot all of the oeple all olf the time.

I think you're too daft for me to say this as I doubt you have the understanding to comprehend what I'm about to say, I sailed through college with straight A's and never failed an exam, so don't even go there. I was the youngest, who graduated at the top of my class,. I suppoe that's what happens when one is blessed with a 178 IQ.

Anyway, Mad-max or as you're more lovingly referred to as Mad-A$$, I hope you had fun. This is the last time I'm replying to you as you're definitely not worth my time. You've achieved that which you wanted from the posters on this site, and that is to disturb everyone's peace of mind. I hope now that you've muddied the waters here and elsewhere you'll bury your head in a pile of quicksand. Tah, tah maxi.

Von , 11/21/10 4:05 PM


Well hello all! A warm greeting from a banned poster Duro.

Duronole1 , 11/21/10 8:13 PM


Moderators, please put a stop to this contextless to and fro!!

Arent you supposed to be deleting out-of-context posts? All this has nothing to do with the news... Besides it is really really tiring..

Some people actually log on here to read tennis news and to read what others think of what is going on in the tennis world.. This really shouldnt be allowed to continue..

Please warn all the posters who continually engage in these kinds of personal battles please... It is a sincee request.

rafanadalfanforever , 11/21/10 8:47 PM


I completely agree with rafanadalfanforever
, 11/21/10 8:47 PM,

I tried going through the posts above and could not make head or tail about it.. it was about some sort of gossip and old friendships and back biting etc etc..

No relation WHATSOEVER to tennis...

If you guys cant spend time without talking about each other, take it to some other forum please.. please talk only tennis here... otherwise as RNFF said it is really tiring for the rest of us who is not in on your story..

FEDistheGOAT , 11/21/10 8:54 PM


DUH! Nadal fans are just like nadal, they get their kick out of being the Big Bad Bully!!

seethetruth , 11/21/10 8:57 PM


FEDistheGOAT,

I forgot that you are supposed to be the voice of reason here all of a sudden. Maxi started this insanity and some people are tired of being called stupid names and being called the same person. You can read exactly what is being said and why. You have never been honest enough to call it the way it is. Everything was fine and people were happily talking tennis, until maxi swooped in with her hideous personal insults.

You wouldn't like being accused of being the same person as someone else. I am not Von and Von is not me. We are two separate people and those who live in the real world, know that. So what are we supposed to do?

Fan4tennis is calling for the moderators or Ricky or Cheryl to do something because she can't even post something about Rafa without being attacked by maxi. So far they haven't intervened. As it happens, we were all talking about tennis until maxi decided to take over with her insane personal insults. So you can't understand any of the above posts? What makes you think any of us do?

You are not the only one who has been asking that this forum once more go back to being what it was supposed to be - a discussion about tennis! Please stop acting like you have the moral high ground here and are the only one who wants to see people take it somewhere else. If maxi would go take her craziness somewhere else, then we could all go back to the tennis!

Nativenewyorker , 11/21/10 10:04 PM


NNY, just ignore the current fedfans doing all the trouble. They aren't worth it! Come have a beer with me and we can enjoy tennis without the 2-faced comments!

fan4tennis , 11/22/10 12:10 AM


fan4tennis,

Thanks for the support! It's not pleasant to read these absurd fantasies that are being conjured up about me every single day. I messed up someone's bracket challenge! My goodness, I don't even what on earth that is about!

It's good for you to remind me to just try my best to ignore it and enjoy all the tennis we will see this week! I honestly wish that I was with you right now in the Keys enjoying the sun and the water. However, it's wine for me, girl!

Maybe if we stay strong and keep supporting each other, we can just get through this latest bit of craziness. I am so excited to see Rafa tomorrow! It seems like it's been forever since we last saw him play!

Enjoy your time in the Keys. My Mom lives in West Palm Beach and has gone down there and she says it's beautiful.

Nativenewyorker , 11/22/10 1:01 AM


My boyfriend and I actually live in Daytona Beach and are heading back up there after we've been sailing around the Caribbean and hiphopping islands. We are talking of a trip on the boat to Europe in the spring and I'm trying hard to rally support for a stop in Spain or RG or Wimby or anywhere Rafa is.

Can't wait til tomorrow to see Rafa play and then hopefully, his form is good and we can breathe somewhat easier for the next round!!!

Stay strong and let "them" fight their own battles with each other and themselves across both sites. Stay with us and you'll be able to smile!!!!

fan4tennis , 11/22/10 1:08 AM


seethetruth, why don't you name to seethewrong.... I must know now who your idol is because you really reflect him.... better you read and learn more because Nadal is the best player at the moment and why the good people admire him???? because as No 1 player in the world, he is so humble and generous...

tettylds , 11/22/10 1:40 AM


NNY: Do you see what I see? Imaginary friends?

ed251137 , 11/22/10 1:55 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBbzcj1t2WY

rfzr , 11/22/10 2:27 AM


Hello all. I was on vacation this week (no tennis means vacation week for me). I'm in the airport on my way home. I'll have all of the nonsense cleaned up tomorrow.


Cheers!

Cheryl

cherylmurray , 11/22/10 3:24 AM


ed,

Just be cool. Don't get involved with anything. They are all coming over from that other site.

cheryl,

Please help us!

Nativenewyorker , 11/22/10 4:35 AM


"Some people actually log on here to read tennis news and to read what others think of what is going on in the tennis world.. This really shouldnt be allowed to continue..

rafanadalfanforever , 11/21/10 8:47 PM
____________________
I agree with you re the above. i don't post here often, but I do log on to read the news on tennis and the writers ' opinions on matches and previews, however, it seems that even though i don't post here, my name is mentioned in the most derogatory way by Maxi, and for what reason? I don't understand this obsession she has with me and NNY being the same person. And, why is it so important to her for her to ridicule other people if they post as someone else on another site.? I post as Von all of the time, but some people like a change and use a different name on this site and on Tennis.x, and what's wrong with that? Nothing. Except that maxi behaves as though we've committed a felony and should be locked up. Also, Maxi brings over to this site whatever transpires on Tennis.x, why? I think what happens on Tennis.x should remain there, likewise what happ;ens on TT, shoujld remain here. The only explanation i can find for what maxi is doing moving between sites and mentionikng what goes on on the other, is to keep perpetuating a war. She never lets go.

I stopped posting on this site due to her, and I decided to keep it to readikng, but it's disturbing to me to see myu name mentioned in her posts and I'm not even here.

If you want to see something done, then you need to start with maxi and her numerous attacks on the posters here,. Just look at the stalking ed had to endure not to mention all the name calling others including myself are subjected to. The insults are way more than anything I've ever seen. A, if you think it ends here, it doesn't, it's carried over to Tennis.x, which is so very wrong.

Because of her, it seems that TT is a bad name on olther site, why?
I think Maxi should be warned.

Von , 11/22/10 5:00 AM


cheryl: I've sent an email in about what's been happening. Hope u can sort things out! Not sure it's "nonsense" though, seems a lot nastier than that.

deuce , 11/22/10 9:33 AM


I think the 'moderators' don't actually have the time or will power to actually erase these ramblings, just ignore and talk tennis - no so difficult to do, is it? ;P

Shireling , 11/22/10 2:07 PM


I don't know why the TX feud is being brought over here, but it doesn't belong here. This is a tennis NEWS site, not a social networking site with a bit of tennis thrown in.

I've cleaned up some of the offensive posts, and a warning e-mail has been sent.

Thanks.

cherylmurray , 11/22/10 3:06 PM


Hey cheryl, even though i see that most of the off-topic posts are still here, I thank you so much for clearing the confusion some people have that this is a social gossip site specifially designed for bad mouthing...

It is a wonderul tennis news site and i hope it contionues to be so. I personally like TT to TX anyday by the way...

One last suggestion, when you do a clean up, be completely thorough about it and get the message across...

And with that, let us get back to the exciting world of WTF! A blog on dlpo please cheryl.. about how difficult it would be for him to get back etc..

FEDistheGOAT , 11/22/10 4:39 PM


I'm getting there, FITG...but I wanted to watch the..you know...tennis first. :D

cherylmurray , 11/22/10 5:04 PM


Fedisthegoat: today on beeb, Andrew Castle, ex not very good player now a commentator, was wondering if he's ever get back! However, Henman jumped on him mighty quick, for this.
Shireling: true of course but then you and I haven't been personally attacked have we?

deuce , 11/22/10 5:18 PM


Deuce, check out the ATP site and their new fedex reliability index. Is about how the players have stacked up against other Top 10 players YTD and in career and surfaces. Is very interesting!

fan4tennis , 11/22/10 5:31 PM


Will do. Ta.

deuce , 11/22/10 7:19 PM


thank goodness for that. At least cheryl will stop the insults from fan4tennis, von, mindy, vindy and native. Enough is enough. Let the federer fans post here in peace, you want to pat rafa on the back all the time, well get into the real world. He isnt perfect. no one is. At least von, you'll be watched each time you decide to write something which is 2 pages long - as if we have the time to listen to you offload. *yawn*. This is a tennis site, so hope you learn your lesson.

maxi , 11/22/10 7:24 PM


anyone have a spare extra large mirror?

homos , 11/22/10 7:28 PM


cheryl,

You know where I stand. I said it all when I contacted you. I have confidence that you know the difference between people who are regular posters being friendly and gracious, versus creating a social or gossip site. I also have confidence, despite efforts to shift the blame onto those who were the victims, that you can see how and why this started and who was responsible for initiating it.

Thank you.

Nativenewyorker , 11/22/10 8:34 PM


shut up von and shut up native. you are equally to blame. Look at the insults from yourself to me and my disability! They came from YOU, no one else. I have faith in Cheryl's ability to be discerning and fair. You are no saint and for you to turn this completely on me is totally unfair. It takes two people to start an argument. Not one person. So you should listen to your own words. It stops now native. Learn from this yourself. I dont need to listen to anything you have to say anymore. I will just simply ignore you. Also, a warning to you. Dont ever accuse me of being multiple people here when I have told you I am not. Stop it Native. Cheryl. You have a copy of this post and all the insults received from von and native about my deafness - that's called bullying by the way.

maxi , 11/22/10 8:43 PM


Don't listen to Maxi Von, Native.... Your posts are so true, I do love reading it.... I think only people like Maxi, and other haters don't like it.... Please keep posting...

tettylds , 11/23/10 1:49 AM


tettylds: Thanks ever so much for your vote of confidence, but I'm afraid that I've had enough. As you can see in the post above yours, the trash-talking will never stopas some are privileged.

I've tried on several occasions to post here on this site, but each time, I'm up against a wall which is a huge deterrent. I don't know where you live, but In NYC, we used to say, you can't fight city hall. And, that's the sum total of the situation here. I 'm a roddick fan and I don't participate much in the posting, but I like to read the writers' perspective on the matches, which is the underlying reason for visiting the site. Unfortunately, the day i decided to visit this site, was perhaps due to wrong timing, becuase even though I wasn't posting, I had the displeasure of seeing several references to me which were very shocking. After reading, I realized there was a war in full force, and I was a party to it in absentia. i can't put into words how infuriating that is to another person, especially when they are made part of something they didin't instigate and/or incite. As a result of which, I answered the charges proffered against me, and it seems as though I'm being made out to be the guilty party instead of the one that's been wronged. I'm sorry but I don't understand that kind of thought proccess, as I'm a logical person. i believe blame should be assigned where it's due and not to the innocent. I'm an innocent party to all of the madness that took place before my initial post.

Thanks for your kindness, but sad to say I've lost all interest in this site. Take care.

Von , 11/23/10 9:55 AM


deuce: I just want to say thank you for all of your suppoort. You're one of the few posters who are smart enough to see through the nonsense, assign blame where it's due, and unafraid to speak the truth. Unfortuinately, lies are too tough to fight.

I don't think I'll be posting here and/on the other site, at least for the time being, but I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate all you've done for me and your kindness will always be in my thoughts. I wish you and Andy M all the very best at 02 and hopefully he'll win the whole thing. Take care mon amie. You are a real sweetheart.

Von , 11/23/10 10:04 AM


" It takes two people to start an argument. Not one person."

absolutely. No one can start an argument in absentia. i was absent when the war began, therefore how can I be guilty of doing that which you accuse me of doing.

Von , 11/23/10 10:10 AM


Von: Your reasons for leaving are very understandable. There comes a time when even with the best will in the world people tire of pushing hot treacle upstairs.

The irritating thing is she has succeeded in what she set out to do - i.e: drive you away.

ed251137 , 11/23/10 12:03 PM


Von: that's so sweet :) thanx.
And can I say I admire your honesty and integrity so much. I think your honesty can make you enemies but it can make you friends too.
Whatever you decide to do, take care.

deuce , 11/23/10 2:04 PM


Congrats to fed and fans. he was great today. muzz awful but no excuses, both got what they deserved.

cheryl - glad you're doing a bit of 'spring cleaning' on the site. despite what von says - please don't leave, by the way - i think things are a lot better than they used to be when that psycho nole fan (poor nole, with friends like that ...) used to come on ranting and raving.
maxi needs to turn it down a bit, if you ask me - i say that as someone who rightly took the rap for over-reacting recently when someone described muzz as 'anti-tennis'.

alex , 11/23/10 5:41 PM



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