that mean he is already feeling better that is very good news

tennislover, all the very best to roger federer.i remember watching the awards on TV, and again Usain Bolt had been nominated. (he won it last year). Presenter asked Bolt who he would nominate, he said "Federer". Then camera switched to federer and same question was asked of him, he said "Bolt".

I hope Roger wins it again this year, but really, if he doesnt, he's still the best.

Get well Roger and will be looking out for those "secret training sessions" in IW.

Why don't they just give Federer all the awards going for the rest of his career and save us all this charade year after year that there is a real contest going on. We already know that he walks on water, we already know that he is teflon coated so nothing sticks to him. He is the undisputed champion for any award going, think of an award and Federer is the winner.

WHAT IT MUST BE LIKE TO BE SUPER HUMAN!!

carrie: you shouldn't put all the blame on fed. it's the media and his fans who portray him in a particular light. he only represents their selection criteria.

homos, I'm not blaming Federer at all, it's the way the people who organise these things are bent on making tennis as stale as it can be, by just warming up and serving the same meal year after year after year. There is no anticipation of who will win these things, it's all so predictable that it's actually losing any impact it might have.

I have to say though, that Federer and Usain were nominated for the BBC international sportsman of the year, and Bolt won it for the 2nd year in a row.

I saw Bolt visit to real madrid he is a great champ and he enjoys the attention and he deserves the win of the last year and if he does again this year that would be nice for his country and himself ofcourse as it will give him more media attention.
So BBC nominated Roger i didnt know that , and it is pretty un expected i have to say,why they didnt choose Murray!he could use something like that he is good athlete and promising player, anyway i couldnt imagine Roger winning that one.

It was the international award, Murray was nominated for the British Sportsman of the year, but didn't win it.

that makes sense i missed the "international" part
anyway nothing new for the Federer, nominations and awards are no news
deja vu

As of right now , Bolt is the greatest sprinter of all time by far just like Fed is the greatest tennis player ever. That said,Bolt is in his prime and would fully deserve it. Go Jamrock! And carrie and homos really need to get over those sour grapes. AO seems ages ago by now.

chr18: you don't have the ability to engage in a discussion that you don't even have the capability of understanding so keep your cheap, low down shots to your pathetic self!

homos,
What's pathetic is that you're so easily infuriated. It's so easy to push your buttons. And your response clearly indicates you're not over it. Try to relax.

it's so pathetic when people cant wish others well, you know who.spoiling a thread again. carrie, i mean this really nicely, really.stay away from federer threads because you are going to give yourself a hernia.Like tennislover said, it's not federer's fault he is just so popular.
around the world.everywhere.

it's great. you really must try to look after yourself though.(i mean it).you are in a minority.i think you should send a love letter to rafa and i hope he responds to you, because it seems this is the only thing that is going to make you happy. i am sorry for that.

roggie deserves to win this award but i think the lightning will strike jamaica this time and bolt will win

Will any of the tennis players nominated be able to make it? Since it's during Indian Wells time? (Rog, Del Po, Kim)
A pity, but I hope they all win, it would be great for tennis.
And I just read an article on Blick (Swiss news) That Mirka now has the lung infection :(

And really not surprised that the same people over and over bring their hate comments over to any article regarding Roger. Quite sad, really.

10sfan, i read it too, here it is for federer fans,

Zurich - Roger Federer's recovery from a lung infection has progressed enough for the Swiss to start planning to travel next weekend to California with plans to return to tennis for the Indian Wells Masters.

An ATP official in close contact with the world number one said Sunday that the Swiss, while still taking medication for the infection he appears to have picked up several weeks ago during training at his base in Dubai, also says his condition is improving.

Federer, wife Mirka, the couple's twin seven-month-old girls and Federer's sister Diana, flew from Dubai to Zurich early Sunday on a flight delayed three hours until 5am by the storm which swept through the emirate on Saturday evening.
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The world number one has indicated that after a week at home near Zurich, he plans to fly to Palm Springs for the March 10 start of the Masters 1000 also featuring a women's WTA field.

But the trip will be contingent on a clean bill of health from doctors monitoring his infection, which also affected his wife this week.

The Federers were escorted into the first class section of the Swiss International Airbus from an airport lounge in Dubai in the early morning hours and upon arrival in Zurich were taken away in a vehicle on the tarmac next to the jet which brought them home the Gulf.

maxi, maxi, maxi, get a grip! we know! we know! we are all just a bunch of "sour grapes" as chr18 so eloquently stated! wow, the possibility of roger getting another laureus; oh my goodness, i am so surprised! i'm beside myself with disbelief! i didn't see this coming! what a surprise!


carrie, are you as surprised as me!

is that what you call it chr18? you must be proud of yourself. every single one of your posts indicates you are so not over the fact that rafa owns your dear fed and that's why you're deeply frustrated. by now, you should really try to get over it. it's pathetic to say the least. the fact that you respnd so quickly obviouly means your buttons are pushed. or didn't you realise that?

chr18: I think you either have nothing useful to contribute or you are just plain ignorant. Carrie, homos and many others hear made it pretty clear a long time ago why they/we don't like RF - long before AO 2010 happened (and long before you came onto this blog) so what has it got to do with that? And it has nothng to do with his tennis or wins. You sound terribly bitter about something. Perhaps you should take a break from pretending to be a tennis fan. It seems to be getting to you.

Memi: eloquent is indeed the word!

jean,etc.
I'm always completely calm when I post and never bitter like some. Unlike some others here who only post on Fed and Nadal threads, I am a true tennis fan. I have a broad interest in tennis and follow many players. I actually play tennis too.
It really is pretty noticeable how the Fed bashing has increased and intensified since last year's FO up to AO'10. Most of you were quite happy after AO'09. What a difference a year makes. It may even be a relief if Nadal does win FO this year. Maybe you people can regain your senses.

chr18 has plenty to contribute jean.as do you. If you keep the bitterness and sourness away from these blogs, then we might - just might - ALL - get on and act like mature people, with a degree of objectivity, less sarcasm, and more love. Where is the love?

chr18, Jean is absolutely right, I have never taken to Federer and that was even before Rafa hit his first ball in an ATP match. If you think it only goes back to Federer crying at the AO, you are very wrong.

There is no requirement to like Federer to participate in a Federer thread. The first time you came on this site it was not to talk about tennis, but to make insulting remarks about Rafa, so don't give me the I am a real tennis fan lark.

Fedfans will be pleased to know that Federer has just won the Footballer of the Year award.

Why don't they just give Federer all the awards going for the rest of his career and save us all this charade year after year that there is a real contest going on. We already know that he walks on water, we already know that he is teflon coated so nothing sticks to him. He is the undisputed champion for any award going, think of an award and Federer is the winner.

WHAT IT MUST BE LIKE TO BE SUPER HUMAN!!

carrie, it takes a big person to admit this. you are a champ!

chr18 are you saying the "done and dusted" rafael nadal has a chance of winning the french open? are you talking about the rafael nadal, the tennis player! my, my, are you preparing just in case?

is there a law that says we have to post on every thread? don't bore us with your fake pretense that you are fan of tennis, when we all know what you're here for! homos hit the nail on the head about you!

@carrie 2/28/10 10:05 PM

'Fedfans will be pleased to know that Federer has just won the Footballer of the Year award.'

:) That really cracked me up! i wish you would use your wonderful sense of humour moe often than be so spiteful on fed.. I mean, why be bitter about a great player winning awards that is so obviously well deserved. How can you go about slamming the whole sporting world itself to be bending backwards to give awards to federer and make themselves boring. Surely, you are not going to question the entire world's bussiness sense as well.

Come on, the greatest achievements in various fields of sports is acknowledged by this award. Surely what fed has achieved (the greatest possible in tennis right now) deserves a nomination or do you think tennis is too inconsequential for that?

as a tennis fan you should be proud tennis is represented there by a worthy ambassador.

Cheers. love your sense of humour no matter what else carrie :)

ROGER FEDERER is the GOAT...... RAFAEL NADAL is the BULL!....... Just check out who's got the better horn!

Maxi, thanks for bringing that article over here.
I hope Mirka recovers too, and of course I just hope the Mighty babies aren't exposed to it. I really want to see Roger play IW, it's such a fun tournament!
As for the Laureus sports Awards - RF FTW ;) :P

memi,
Nadal should be the favorite to win the FO given his history. Doesn't mean he will.

carrie,
We all know that you don't like the maestro. You're more than welcome to participate on any Fed thread. My point was that many post only on Fed and Nadal threads and my interests in tennis are much less one dimensional.

chr18, don't feel that you have to be two-faced! it's no secret that you show two faces when necessary! please, spare me the "nadal should be favorite given his history" crap! you have never said anything remotely positive about nadal winning anything, especially after he lost the FO year! all you have done is predict and promote the his demise! "phony" should be your middle name!

@carrie 2/28/10 10:05 PM

'Fedfans will be pleased to know that Federer has just won the Footballer of the Year award.'

Not sure about Footballer of the year but we know for sure that Fed is not going to get semi-porn star of the year award which Nadal has an excellent shot at.

vmm, typical fedfan, have to resort to gutter talk as a defense! sorry, somebody beat you that line! you'll have to think of one on your own! nadal showed off some pretty good acting skills, don't you think?

Memi and carrie: absolutely spot on!!!

If being much less than one-dimensional and a true tennis fan means making comments like "he choked" and "Nadal fans are sour grapes", I guess the rest of us have a lot to learn about the game!! The bitterness and nastiness says it all. Like NNY calls it: slimy garbage.

" If you keep the bitterness and sourness away from these blogs, then we might - just might - ALL - get on and act like mature people, with a degree of objectivity, less sarcasm, and more love." maxi

OY VEY!! LOL, if only we could practise that which we preach, and/or see ourselves as others see us.

I know, I know, don't bother to say it again, I'll say it for you -- "Von, is a nasty woman and a troll." And, that, maxi, is worth zilch in the grand scheme of things.

Rick and TT Admin. I'm happy to see you edit nonsensical posts and ban abusive posters. Good job.

memi: Can you tell me who posted that before me? Glad to know that you will be happy for Nadal to get that award. Btw, my impression on the video was that Nadal looked okay but he is a bad actor, face expressions were poor, looks like these days he can not perform anything at the top level.

Fed fans dont need to be bitter or throw garbage on anybody, he already won and achieved almost everything, we are playing with the house money. Its just that Nadal fans are so bitter they can't stand if anything positive happens to Fed. Just go through all the comments in this blog and see who started it. Nadal fans can only hang on to H2H and nothing else. Btw, Glad that Fed has a loosing record to another great player due to match-up problem instead getting beaten left and right by all top 10 players.

Von,

Great to see you here! It appears that you are being plagued by the nemesis of this site - the one and only maxi! I got a strong dose of her on the blog about Fed not being the right choice for sportsman of the year. Read it for yourself! I am sure you won't be surprised.

It appears that my posts are way too long and bother maxi a great deal. She doesn't like any single thing about me - my attitude, my superior attitude, my tone, everything. So I see you are getting the same treatment.

I have pretty much had it up to here with certain Fed fans trying to come on this site and clutter it up with their intimidation, threats and vitriolic personal insults. They get away with it on tennis-x, so they have decided to come here and spew more venom. It's a total disgrace.

So you and I are demons to be driven from this site, no matter what! I am just glad to see you here posting again. Please, please do not let a few wrong-headed people drive you away. You are a welcome voice of reason amidst the madness.

Btw, H2H is up in the air until Fed hangs his racket but 16 GS record is not going broken by Nadal. You Nadal fans dont think he breaks it do you? He tried to overcome Fed once and payed for it by braking his knees for sure. Hahahahaha...

vmm, darling, the "h2h" is a fact, the "gutter talk" is an opinion! check the other thread about the video, i'm sure you will find out who loves to post from the sewer! if that's all you know, then that's all you know! about the h2h, hopefully, roger and rafa will meet more this year! i hope so!

memi,

I agree with you. It would be great to see Rafa and Roger meet again sometime in the near future! It's nice to see that Fed has recuperated and will be back on court soon, just like our Rafa! :)

memi,
I said Nadal should be the favorite at FO. As somebody who knows tennis, I'd be foolish to count him out on clay, don't you think? I didn't predict him winning nor would I celebrate if he won. Let's make that clear. You are entitled to your opinion of me. I tell it as I see it and give my opinions. Take it as you like. Cheers.

memi, darling, agree about H2H but you left out another fact, that is braking the knees, what do you think? Why did you also left out the GS count, at least show some optimism on your guy, not looking good, isn't it?

Right, I hope Nadal will be good enough to go through the draw and meet Fed 20 more times.

My main point is don't bring Nadal into discussion on every Fed blog, he does not deserve it or I should say just the H2H does not make Nadal eligible to be in the discussion with Fed on everything. He did not show the same level of consistent play on all surfaces, keep him in discussion with Djokovic, Murray, Delpo, and previous same level players. Nadal is a great player and it stops there.

NNY:

Thanks for the welcome. I'm only passing through though, and will do so once in a while. I couldn't help commenting on what I feel was a joke from maxi. LOL. Maxi Of all people should be the last to lecture anyone on decorum and proper behaviour. It seems that public opinion on the blogs are very important to maxi. That's a joke because when all is said and done, all posters are faceless, and their opinions on our character are of little importance, as it will not earn us a dime. I suppose in her little world that's very important though. LOL I'm glad to see that quite a few TT posters are cognizant of her behaviour.

What can I say about maxi's dislike for certain posters?? I think she dislikes anyone with a smidgen of intelligence, especially if she can't run them off by her insults. It's a puzzlement to me as to why she feels it's necessary to be so twisted; why can't she deal with the facts? I must say she's very adept at twisting other people's words, though, and making them out to be the bad ones; so kudos to her for that skill. Unfortunately, not everyone sees through her little schemes, and they back her, which is very sad.

I noticed a couple of weeks ago she said that she does not like posting here, yet I see she's here EVERY DAY, SEVERAL TIMES PER DAY posting, insulting and arguing. LOL.

Native, hang in there and don't let the negativity get you down. I don't have an alternate email address at the moment, but when I create one, I'll post it here for you, so that we can discuss the other topic you enquired about. Take care.
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maxi: save your breath if you're going to blast me on my post, as it will fall on deaf ears. And, I'll say it again for you, 'Von is a very nasty woman, and a troll." Happy now??

Or keep him in discussion with other semi-porn stars, how about that for a change?

vmm sweetheart, you should follow tennis more! it seems to me that you left out one tiny, little,, important point ; if rafa's knees are broken, why do you worry so much! why worry about a player who has broken knees! enlighten me!

btw, i wouldn't use the word "deserve" and "roger" in the same sentence if i were you! you might want to ask the writers not to publish articles about nadal, then there won't be a reason to discuss him here, would there? until then, i will discuss him! understand!

nadal owns roger, do yourself a favor and accept it! just pray that they meet more and roger will get the chance to change that little fact! let's just see what the future holds, i'm sure a player with broken knees can't hurt the greatest player of all time! we will see!

chr18, you are breaking my heart with your nadal sentiments! " Nadal should be favorite at FO. As somebody who knows tennis; I would be foolish to count him out on clay."" your words have brought me to tears! like i said, you're as phony as a three dollar bill!

memi: btw, i wouldn't use the word "deserve" and "roger" in the same sentence if i were you!

What? Are you that bitter, not good for health I guess?

memi: nadal owns roger, do yourself a favor and accept it! just pray that they meet more and roger will get the chance to change that little fact!

Agree. But dont worry, even 200% Nadal can't get it done against Fed from now onwards. He was able to beat Fed when he did not have anything to loose and Fed was under a lot of pressure of achieving his media hyped goals. Now roles reversed and hoping for your boy to beat lower ranked players to get the privilege to meet Fed. Thats why I want to see them meet many times this year. His raking is also looking go south so that helps.

Von,

I understand that you aren't going to be posting on a regular basis. Thanks for your insight and words of encouragement. It's just nice to know that you are out there. Remember when I posted on tennis-x after I saw that little dustup with your usual nemesis. It would seem that she is intent on creating the same havoc here.

Thanks for the offer of an alternate e-mail. After what I read on that sportsmanship blog, I think I have a very good idea of who it was. It's narrowed down to two people. If you happen to check out the comments near the bottom of that blog, you will know who I am talking about. The tone of one post kind of gave it away. It had the same wording as the one on tennis-x.

When you get that e-mail, just post here and let me know. It should be very enlightening to have a private chat about it with you. :)

vmm, oooh! roger lost to nadal thirteen times out of twenty because he was under pressure each time and nadal had nothing to lose each time! are you saying that the "greatest player ever" felt pressure from a player with bad knees! very interesting! i didn't know that!

sweetie, you're been reading too many internet articles! don't get yourself worked up over it, we will see!

i read the last comments so anti- Federer you cant realy make a right guess about the title of the article.
when memi get over the H2H issue and focuse on the big picture since after 50 years people will remember the streaks and GS numbers but not the H2H
when Carrie stops feeling so in love with Nadal simply because of the good body and the spanish accent
and when NNY start to build an opinon maybe the talk will be usufull
Maxi here is a delight for you:from CNN website
CNN Worldsport had a little interview with Fernando Gonzalez about the earthquake in Chile... his family is fine and he said that he got a text from Roger expressing sympathy and support.
that is for my sweet Carrie whom thinks it was all popularity contest maybe it hepls to mention that Blake said that only Federer spoke to him when he was suffering from his brain trama!
Copper so good for people whom can apperciate the dimonds: enjoy the Copper dear memi!

Sorry
Copper so good for people whom cant apperciate the dimonds: enjoy the Copper dear memi!

Th facts are that Federer has not been the best player in anything in the last two years. His achievements have been dismal, winning only 8 titles out of 38 in 2008/9, three of them being 250 events.

I have done an analysis on Federer named 2009 player of the Year to show how much better Rafa has been in the last two years, and even achieved more than Federer in 2009, when he was hampered fro part of the year with injury.

Federer is slowly grinding down, he'll be finished in a couple of years.

oh my god
winning 3/5 of the last slams are not enough
ok you are offecialy LUNATIC

tennislover,
This we already knew. It's odd that the #1 Nadal fan here is completely clueless about tennis or is seriously deluded. She doesn't still realise that GS are most important when considering player of the year. By her logic Mandy could have been considered.
It's also odd that she's counting down the years to Fed's retirement when her boy is rapidly "grinding down".

On what authority are you saying that player of the year is determined on the No og GS won in the year, in that case why do they have to vote for it?

You see what I mean, I give you a the facts, and all you can do in resort to insults, because you have no counter-argument.

Guess what Carrie your man is not only not nominated for the laures award but not even for Oscar:
Judging by the set, which is composed of chain-link fences and rubble, it looks like the premise behind the video is that a nuclear bomb was dropped on a tennis court, and Shakira and Rafa survived (along with the cockroaches, I?m guessing). Yes, they make an attractive couple (in videoland). But?and I hate to say this, because I really wanted him to do well in case he needs to quit tennis and take up a new career?he looks a little uncomfortable, like he was trying to hold back nervous laughter every time the director yelled, "Action." (Or I guess it would have been "¡Acción!" because it was shot in Spain.) Who can blame him? It must so weird to have Shakira staring longingly at you or shaking her famous hips in your face.

Though it doesn't sound like Rafa minded it too much. "Shakira, as always, was spectacular," he said. "Working with a woman as charming as her, well, it makes it a lot easier to tell the truth. It was great, very easy, she?s really sweet and that always makes the hours go by faster."

So Nadal didn't hate it, and he did his best acting job, but the Oscar is still going to go to Jeff Bridges.

this from tennis.com
GUESS what CArrie

EAT YOUR HEART OUT

carrie,
I didn't say the number of GS won. I said they were most important. Let's compare:
AO Nadal-champ Fed-finalist
FO Nadal-4th round Fed-champ
W Nadal-DNP Fed-champ
USO Nadal-semifinalist Fed-finalist

You couldn't find any tennis writer/commentator or anybody with an iota of tennis IQ to say Nadal deserved player of the year 2009. It's just so absurd it's shocking. What would the writers at tennistalk say?

She doesn't still realise that GS are most important when considering player of the year.

chr18 , 3/1/10 1:41 PM


Who said????

I am not making a case for Rafa to win it this year, I am saying that at the moment Federer is just an average player, he hasn't achieved much in the last couple of years, people just have this aura about him in their heads, but when you look at the bare facts, there isn't a lot to shout about.

Let me stress again, that I was NOT pitching for Rafa to win it in 2009, I was saying that even though he was injured for part of the year, Federer has not achieved that much more, and he gets accolades for being the supreme player, when the evidence is to the contrary.

If it's only to do with the no of GS won, then everyone would have known from July 2009 that Federer would be player of the year, because once he won RG and Wimbledon, it wasn't possible for anyone else to have more GS than him.

Sadly, tennislover, your take on the video is very opinionated and your synopsis is sadly lacking. Don't give up your day job and become a film critic, I can tell you now, you will fail.

I wouldn't sit by the phone waiting for that call from the Oscar committee you simply haven't got what it takes.

Yes Federer called Gonzo, talk about working the crowd towards his next popularity award.

oh my god you consider his call a work toward that i bet he asked Gonzo to speak about it you know because if he didn't no body would knew about it he said: hey Fernando you know i took sometime between getting well and the babies because my eyes are on new trophy, don't forget to tell the press i called,
Your lack of judgment is beyond anything i have witnessed before, your biased opinions and subjectivity are un believable you quite a peace of work
am sorry because i engaged in conversation with you because your last post will humiliate my average standers
I hope you don?t take everything in you life using the same perspective. you should expand your horizons ,like here :read for tennis critics : Bodo,Tigor try to know the opinions of the references of tennis, try to enjoy the game because you really so one dimensional which so pathetic.
Explore. Expand, Embrace
And may god save your soul. he only can help you

tennis.com is not exclusive to you tennislover, I read all those writers you mentioned, and one of them, I think it's Steve Tignor has actually said that he is a Rafa fan but admires Roger.

Rafa says on his facebook that he has called all the Chileans to express his concern and that he is thinkg about them.

"I am saying that at the moment Federer is just an average player"

Right, the guy who has won four of the last six Slams is average.

So, you would argue that the four tournaments during the year that are worth nearly twice as many ATP points as EVERY other tournament out there -- and pay at least four times as much in prize money for a reason -- are NO MORE IMPORTANT to win than Monte Carlo, Dubai or Johannesburg in determining the best player? This is your idea of a rational debate, as you claim elsewhere to long for, carrie?

I'm sure the other players on the tour agree with you, which is why they all grew up dreaming of winning at Delray Beach or Acapulco just as much as winning at Wimbledon or Roland Garros.

Yes, Federer doesn't win as many tournaments in a year as he used to.

SO ... WHAT?

When the money's on the table, Federer still wins more than anyone else the tournaments that EVERY PLAYER WANTS to win more than anything else. That's "average"?

Maybe you didn't mean that quite the way it sounded, but if you seriously believe that a run where a player wins four of the six biggest tournaments during a given period is average, than you really don't know anything about tennis.

(And for the record, Nadal has NEVER won four out of six Slams in a run. His best was four out of eight from 2007 FO to 2009 AO. The last three players to win four of six in a given run were named Sampras, Lendl and Borg -- you know, average players from other bygone eras.)

SP, I like your last post, now at least you are engaging in meaningful debate.

Though it may sound shocking to some people, I actually think the 1000 tournaments are more difficult to win than the GS. In GS, players don't usually have any worthwhile competition until probably the 4th round. In earlier rounds, top players play qualifiers, wild cards and those who have seen better days. So yes, GS are not the be all and end all, not being able to win a 500 even when you have a bye in the 1st round is significant as to your prowess.

You see, no one else claims to be the best player in the world of all time; if you want that accolade, you should be winning tournaments in bucket loads, not 8 out of 38.

ya exactly! GS are the easiest to win! they are skewed in defending champion's favour!! Even though carrie might be saying and advocating for these smaller tournaments because nadal can win GS anymore, i still think it is a very valid and reasoned argument. Ferrero is winning more and shuld be second after Muzza!

ya exactly! GS are the easiest to win! they are skewed in defending champion's favour!! Even though carrie might be saying and advocating for these smaller tournaments because nadal CAN NOT win GS anymore, i still think it is a very valid and reasoned argument. Ferrero is winning more and shuld be second after Muzza!

ya exactly! GS are the easiest to win! they are skewed in defending champion's favour!! Even though carrie might be saying and advocating for these smaller tournaments because nadal CAN NOT win GS anymore, i still think it is a very valid and reasoned argument. Ferrero is winning more and shuld be second after Muzza!

GoMuzza, I don't have a crystal ball so I couldn't tell you who will win which tournaments in the future, and I am certainly making my argument to suit anyone.

I have never been someone who takes anything at face value, I like to evaluate things for myself, and looking at draws for different events, I've come to the conclusion that GS are really not the be all and end all of tennis.

I am not easily lead, and never go with the flow; I could easily go with the flow and proclaim that Federer is my favourite player, but he isn't, and this was the case even before Rafa came on the scene, so it's not a question of not liking Federer because I like Nadal.

tennislover, when you accept the fact that the h2h is a reality and that stat that is here to stay, then you will begin to live a fuller, happier, life!

if your goal is to change my mind, save your breath! you should know by now, what i believe is what i believe. you can hammer on how many other players have beat nadal all you want, but the point is not how many other players have beat nadal, the point is how many times and on how many big stages has nadal beaten the "greatest player ever." the discussion is not about how many times nadal has lost to other players it is about how many times nadal has lost to roger federer. fact is, in my world, roger is not the "greatest player ever", nothing is going to change that. from where i'm standing, he has help staying on top and a lot of it!

chr18, did someone just drop you off a turnip truck! do you seriously think commentators are going to nominate nadal for anything, when nadal is the one who the majority of commentators see as a threat to roger! nadal is the one who exposed roger, remember! 99% if not a 100% of commentators are roger federer supporters. give me one good reason why a roger federer supporter would select nadal for anything! please, pretend you have some common sense!

memi, as a fan of roger federer, i have no problem with the head to head being as it is against rafa, never have. h2h's dont mean that much (imo) or certainly arent the whole picture (I mentioned this before). the h2h is a reality, you are right (your post above),you could also argue, how many players have pushed rafa to his limit? how many more slams would rafa have won, if it hadnt have been for roger? 2 more? 3 more?.I'm not going to change your mind on who is the greatest player, that is a subjective one, definitely, but i will say this. (posted by another fan on tennis.x).

Roger Federer= 16 slams
Rafael Nadal= 6 slams
Roger Federer= 270 weeks ranked #1 (and counting)
Rafael Nadal= 46 weeks ranked #1
Roger Federer= 4 ATP World Championships
Rafael Nadal= zero ATP World Championships
Roger Federer= 4 Australian Open Titles
Rafael Nadal= 1 Australian Open Title
Roger Federer= 1 French Open Title
Rafael Nadal= 4 French Open Titles
Roger Federer= 6 Wimbledon Titles
Rafael Nadal= 1 Wimbledon Title
Roger Federer= 5 US Open Titles
Rafael Nadal= zero US Open Titles
Sorry, Fed: You're still the best

(but of course memi, this is subjective).

cheers memi.memi, when both roger and rafa are long gone, in your opinion, do you think the grand slams are what they will be remembered for or how many? or the h2h?

carrie,
Your post above said Nadal "achieved more than Federer in 2009" then you changed your tune "Federer has not achieved that much more". Which is it carrie? Your attempts to diminish the importance of GS just because Nadal has not won one in a while are comical. Try to think sometimes before you post.

memi,
I also said writers and anybody who has an iota of tennis IQ, not just commentators. Who cares how many of them back Fed or don't like Nadal? So by your reasoning you think Nadal was player of the year in 2009? It's just that the commentators didn't nominate him for it. Give me a break. You couldn't convince any sane person of that. You're just bitter and jaded because you think everything goes against Nadal. If you have common sense, I don't want it. I'll keep my extraordinary sense thank you very much.

maxi, why don't you make a copy of your research and post it in every corner of the world as a roger federer's raise awareness campaign; include every city, state, country, and continent! that will probably make you feel better. you are wasting perfectly good stats on me and i am already familiar with them! do they change my belief! NO, but thanks!

chr18, or should i call you mr. intelligent! could you so kindly direct me to where i stated that nadal should have been named 2009 player of year! player of the year is based on the previous year's achievements; just for the record, nadal did not earn 2009 player of the year; i am all for players earning their keep! sorry, but we were disgusting "sportmanship award", there is a difference! maybe you are the one who is a little jaded! be careful, you have begun to confuse fastasy with reality!

memi,
You stuck your nose into a discussion I was having with carrie who proclaimed that Fed had an average year and Nadal had achieved more in 2009. She started discussing player of the year not me. You obviously didn't read the above posts and just responded in a reactionary way. By the way, Dr. Intelligent would be more apt.

memi,
i wasnt trying to say anything else other than what is fact already.plus, i was really wanting an opinion on my last paragraph and whether you think that perhaps rafa had been pushed by roger in the finals of the slams that he lost to roger? i am interested in your opinion.

I said that inspite of Rafa's time out, Federer's record wasn't that much more, granted that he won two GS, which carry a lot more points. Numerically, Rafa won 5 titles and Fed won 4 in 2009.

I do think before I post, very much so, that is why i very rarely have to retract anything I say.

chr18,
I have taken great pains in pointing that I am not suggesting that Rafa should win player of 2009, the point of my excercise is that Roger did not achieve much in the last two years, certainly not enough to be player of the year in 2009, and certainly not enough to even come close to being called the GOAT.

maxi, those stats are pointless. Why not compare a 15 yr old to a 20 yr old in terms of educational qualifications. They have not been in the circuit for the same length of time, so why do you expect them to have achieved the same thing.

In my eyes, Roger is simply an average player who got lucky with weak competition.

chr18, oh excuse me, i meant to say Dr. intelligent! i'm sure you are as smart as you sound! i have one tiny suggestion, if you really want to earn the title of Dr., try researching your facts first before you use the keyboard! just a friendly suggestion! refer to the part of your 8:07 pm post directed to me!
btw, it would also help if you really knew what you were talking about one-fourth the time! i suppose that will never happen!

Same usual suspects carrie, homos and memi...

All they do is posting Rafa stuff on Fed's thread...

Rafa is not in the discussion here, 2008 is like 2 years ago guys... WAKE UP!!!!...

What rafans should focus on is how weak Rafa is now.

Sourest of grapes we have here....

Newsflash: Rafael Nadal is #4, when was the last time Roger Federer was even #3?

I think we should want Roger Federer to win this award as it assists in the marketability of the game 'Tennis'. Bolt could very well win it, but we need as many tennis players winning sport awards as possible to aid the game.

As much as I do love Federer's style of play when compared to Nadal's, I think we all need to rally behind Nadal and encourage him back up to the top, as he makes Federer better, the two of them in their prime, Fed healthy too, is so enjoyable to watch, almost unreal.

eelesino, if players were to use up some of the energy beating federer that they use up beating nadal, federer wouldn't be where he is! more often than not, they back down with federer; not because they can't beat him, they just don't seem to be as important ot beat federer! nadal doesn't need to concern himself with a ranking, be it #1, #4 or #10. when he was #1, it was only on paper, roger still got the priviledges! it doesn 't help nadal to fight and play tournament after tournament, week in and week out, giving his all for something that won't benefit him. he has already shown he can hang with the greatest; he doesn't need to prove anything else; all he needs to do is to be healthy and happy playing tennis and wherever that leads will be find!

eelesino,

Last time I looked Rafa was No 3.

Nationality :
« Previous week
Latest ATP ranking - Mar 1, 2010
# Player Country Points Diff rank
1. CH Roger Federer Switzerland 11 350
2. RS Novak Djokovic Serbia 8 310
3. ES Rafael Nadal Spain 7 520
4. GB Andy Murray United Kingdom 7 255
5. AR Juan Martin Del Potro Argentina 6 265
6. RU Nikolay Davydenko Russia 5 290
7. SE Robin Söderling Sweden 3 855
8. US Andy Roddick USA 3 720
9. HR Marin Cilic Croatia 2 970
10. CL Fernando Gonzalez Chile

Pffttt... If Fed's career is based on some instances where he could 'hang in there with the greatest', then he could have been satisfied with his win over Sampras in Wimby and the wins over Agassi and just play tennis and be no. 100 and still talk about how he 'hung with the greatest'.

If Rafa is good enough to beat Fed then he should continue to prove that he can beat other challengers as well. You cant just have a good year and then gloat about it till the rest of your career.

That's why Fed stands out. Because he keeps winning and not get stucked in the past.

carrie,
You said Fed did not achieve enough to be named player of the year for 2009. Then who achieved enough to be player of the year for 2009? I'm eager to know.

memi,
Sorry but I earned that title back in '98. You can't keep up with me because you're just not on my level. Get back to me when you grow up.

torres, that's the point my friend, roger may be able to hang in with some great players, so far, he hasn't been able to consistently hang in with one great player named rafa nadal. i guess rafafans gloat the same way you guys gloat over how federer won the french open by beating robin sodlering, after having three or four years to prove he could beat rafa at roland garros. if that's what you call "standing out" i guess he stands out! maybe roger fans need him to prove some things, on the contrary, rafa doesn't need to prove anything; all he needs to do is compete to the best of his ability and the rest will come! i think he has learned that lesson!

Tipzarevic.

chr18,
Tipzarevic was meant to be my response for player of the year. I don't k know what it's based on, so I couldn't tell you.

chr18,
The problem is, we never see a citation so no one knows what these awards are about, if they said this player has won it for achieving this that and the other, then we could have an informed opinion on who deserves to win it.

chr18, you can say that again! i'm not on your level , in fact, i don't know anybody who is on your level except for maybe torres! you and torres probably have the same rating for that level! i can tell you've been there since 1998; probably way before then! but, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt!

My apologies to Mr Djokovic, the new #2, of course, don't know how I forgot they had swapped round, my bad, first time Novak has made #2 as well, fair play to him, although he has some serious points to defend with all the finals he made.

So Carrie, well done you, I made a ranking mistake, I must be deemed unintelligent when it comes to tennis now, banished to the depths of darkness with all those pretenders. ;)

On a serious note, Memi, please explain yourself, I'm terribly confused, if players were to use up some of their energy they use beating Nadal on Fed he wouldn't be #1, I find this concerning to say the least, you're confusing a lot of tennis fans on here. I don't think Davydenko in the OZ QF would answer your question in an interview "I could have beat him, but I didn't feel the need to use up the same amount of energy I did in Doha to come back from a bagel first set to beat Nadal in the final, I just wasn't as motivated"

Honestly, does anyone know what we are talking about here.

The difference is, if the audience will allow me to answer it, is Federer stays calm and finds a way to turn it around, Tipsarevic, Berdych, Adreev, Roddick, Hass, Del Potro, even Nadal in 07, these were matches Fed could have easily lost. What's even more impressive is Wimbledon '08, Nadal was cruising, Fed nearly came back to win that, he lost in darkness on center court, to a deserved winner, but if the conditions had been lighter, who knows eh!

I think memi is confusing the long matches that opponents have to play against Nadal whether they win or lose. This is all down to his style of play, not his greatness. Davydenko and Del Potro both admit they'd take playing Nadal over Fed any day of the week, simply because you get more time to return his shots and there is less variety. Although, with that you risk a more physical game where Nadal's endurance and power can come back to bite you in the ass.

Conclusion, I want Nadal back to his best, I believe Fed is nearly back to his best (forget the lung infection, hopefully thats just unfortunate and temporary), needless to say Fed is a much better player than Nadal, however Nadal's blistering 2008 was incredible, just like Federer's 2009 was, although he has done it in 2004-2007 too, all incredible years. Nadal's 2008 was heavily affected by Fed's mono, just like Federer's 2009 affected by Nadal's knees. What goes around comes around, but its who takes the opportunities that counts.

The reason I want Nadal back to his best and the rivalry back, is because I believe there is no argument anymore about Federer and Nadal, I mean we are fools to believe so, Federer has 16 slams, ten more than Nadal. I bet my life on the fact that Nadal will not win 10 slams in the next 5 years, hence why I'm not worried or eager to carry on the argument. Roger Federer has done enough people, he has done enough to be called the greatest player of all time, on and off the court, lets just hope to see them back to their best, so that we, the fans can carry on enjoying the level of tennis they bring out of each other.

Native:

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maybe roger fans need him to prove some things, on the contrary, rafa doesn't need to prove anything-

I dont see why Roger fans need Roger to prove anything. He has beaten Nadal 7 times (2 times on clay to the 'greatest claycourter'). Holds 16 Slams. Breaks so many records.

Dont be coward memi just because Rafa is minced meat rite now, u r gonna say Rafa need not beat anybody anymore.

Rafa has so much more to prove. He's 23, you act like he's retired.

When he's 27 and some young guns beat the crap out of him, you'll turn ur head to 8 years ago when Rafa ;hung with the greatest'

But Fedfans need not to turn back to the Sampras victory so long ago because Fed will keep resfreshing our memory on how He's THE BEST>>>

torres, if you say so! ok rafa is minced meat! you're right, roger would chew him up and spit him out right now! like i said, rafa doesn't have to prove anything, we'll take your word for it!

Rafa has a hell lot more to prove than Fed, that's for sure.

Fed has proved almost everything there is there to prove.

What else is there? After he breaks the longest weeks at no.1, he can just retire and still be the best player ever.

Now Fed is playing for fun and love of the game.

FED's THE BEST

eelesino, Fed lost in the dark to Nadal in the dark. So Nadal sees in the dark does he? There is no end to his attributes.

Again talking about the past, carrie. Hw bout we discuss Rafa's last match against Muzza.

How did the defending champion get kicked out in str8 sets in the QF stage?

You're just running away from the reality. Talking about 2008 all over again. Funny Fed had 3 glorious years 04-07 and Fedfans dont go talking about it like a broken record.

torres, no sane person will bring up the AO qtr fin between Rafa and Murray. Rafa retired injured, but I wouldn't say that Murray won because of that, because he was leading by a long way, but if Rafa was fit, there is nothing to say he couldn't have fought back, or that he would have lost in straight sets.

Like someone said, no one is perfect, Rafa can't win every single match, and losing to Murray is no shame, because he is one of the best players in the world at the moment. To beat him you have to play well, and not have injury issues.


You're just running away from the reality. Talking about 2008 all over again. Funny Fed had 3 glorious years 04-07 and Fedfans dont go talking about it like a broken record.

torres9 , 3/2/10 9:54 AM


What planet are you on?

losing to Murray is no shame, -carrie

So Fed losing to the 'greatest claycourter' on clay so many times is a shameful thing?

Rafa is no.2, Fed lost to Djoko at no.3 when Fed lost to those guys at Slams. And Rafans repeat this 10000 times as if Fed is supposed to be the master on every surface.

No player in history has dominated all 3 surfaces. Fed is as close you can get. Even Laver won the GRAND SLAM on 2 surface only.

So if you're sane enuff not to talk about Rafa getting beat by Muzza (no.5 in the world), then you should be sane enough to know that there is no shame for Fed to lose to the no.2 player in the world.

torres, forget about Laver, there were NO hard courts in his day so how could he win matches on them. Clay, grass, and carpet were they only game in town in thos days.

eelesino , 3/2/10 3:09 AM

how respectful eelesino you are to both great champions - rafa and roger - it is pity that others degrade, yet again, another fine post by a twist of words.

torres, i agree with you that fed is the best and look forward to watching him play again.

torres, could you explain once and for all what does murray's match has to do with nadal having the edge over roger! no has ever been able to answer that question logically.

when murray can consistently beat nadal, i'll be the first to give him his merit!
last year, when nadal cleaned murray's clock in indian wells final; what was the excuse; it was windy, murray played badly because it was windy; yet, nadal played in the wind also! when you are among the best you are expected to adjust to unexpected circumstances; however, there will always be excuses made for other top players when they lose! it has become the norm!

when davydenko beat roger in the semis of doha; i looked for an article or analysis on the lost because i was interested in what the experts had to say; no surprise to me, nothing to be found; swept under the rug as if it didn't happen; the minute nadal lost in the final to davydenko of the same tournament all choas broke loose; that was the topic for days, weeks; so you see, you can save your negativism about nadal because i, for one, understand what's happening and i know the way it works when it comes to nadal! i know how great he is and that is the reason why he is the player out of the top five who gets dragged down in the media! when roger loses; it's because he had a bad day or he didn't care about winning a small tourament or he is saving himself for slams or he has already won everything or he is not motivated, yet he should be anointed the "greatest ever." when have so many excuses been made for a great in the history of any sport! there are expectations that go with being declared "greatest ever." are you kidding me?

eelesino's comment is a prime example of how excuses are made!
he/she has the audacity to say that roger's mono was the caused of him losing to nadal. how stupid is that! did roger have mono everytime he played nadal! next thing we know fedfans will be using his recent "lung infection" as an excuse the rest of the year! so, torres, you spew away, because i know what the deal is and the media didn't have to tell me that!

memi, Roger's mono was fianally cleared when he won RG, suddenly, there was no more mention of it. It was as excuse for losing the AO 2009, and the lung infection will probably last him for the rest of the year.

more boring talk.

@ carrie,

obviously you think of fed as super human and above any kind of illness. But that apart, the fact is that we heard of fed's mono and his lung infection before any defeats.
that is not the case with rafa, his injuries seem to surface only AFTER a defeat. He never talks of them before. Who hen is using injuries as excuse? i he is so ashamed to talk of injuries, why make it a point to mention them after losing? Why not tell beforehand unles it is an excuse?

In AO, throughout the tourney he seemed to be playing well and was repeatedly talking about how good well his knees are feeling etc as long as he was winning. but when he was losing? bingo, i am sorry but my knees ae not feeling well.

Fed is always upright and upfront and if he's having a problem, he shares it with his fans and gives his 100% neverthless. he never conjures up an injury or illness out of thin air after being beaten.

Mono is a very tough condition and takes a long time to get over it. if you know nothing about it, google about mono and find out. you will see that the effects might last upto 18 months. Even then, fed didnt attribute his bad season entirely to ono even though it is a fact that he was not 100%.

@memi, are all the tennis pundits and legends and fans so ashamed of having rafa as part of tennis that everyone is conspiring against him?

Has he done enough for any legend to be 'jealous" of him? get over it. People like him and his game is as much analysed and talked about as roger's.
The problem is simply that you read only news concerning rafa. A LOT was said when Davy beat fed. That was the prime reason that Davy went in as a favorite at AO 2009 and the Davy-fed match-up was so eagerly awaited.

FEDistheGOAT, what's your point? what part of what i said did you not understand? does what you think suppose to mean something to me? ask me how much i care about your ready-made excuses!

FEDITG, as far as I know, Federer did not miss a single tournament due to his so called mono. If was probably just a minor virus, but he milked it for what it was worth. Now, Mario Ancic suffered mono, and he certainly knew about it, it ruined his whole career.

when davydenko beat roger in the semis of doha; i looked for an article or analysis on the lost because i was interested in what the experts had to say; no surprise to me, nothing to be found; swept under the rug- memi

Clearly what u say and what happened are 2 different things.

All the writers and bloggers including the RickyDimon here didnt gave Fed a chance becoz of his barren run of 4-5 tournaments and most people including the ESPN writer favoured Nadal more than Fed. The ones that favoured Fed was just the his fans.

I was talking about Rafa VS Muzza because I tot it's getting old talking about past Rafa glories over and over again so i suggested changing the wind and tot u should talk about Rafa at present and what's more recent than his str8 loss to Muzza in Slams.

NEWSFLASH: THIS IS A FED THREAD NOT FED VS NADAL SO THE DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT RAFA AT ALL

@ carrie


First of all, what mono is - Mononucleosis is an infection usually caused by the Epstein-Barr virus. It can produce flulike symptoms and extreme, lingering fatigue.
Nobody is saying fed was not fit enough to play. The fact is only that fed was not 100%. it took a less than 100% fed and a nadal at 110% at the peak of his powers ti take fed off the top of tennis. The process seems to have broken Nadal's body. that is the fact and wont change no matter how much you beat your head against it.

@memi, Another peurile response. Wow. Am i amazed? No.

@carrie

A crash course in 2008 history for you-

- Beginning of AO 2008, fed had what was then thought to be a bout of food poisoning.

-Around the time of the exi-match against sampras, fed started getting more and more ill.

-After falling ill for the third time in six weeks, he had extensive tests in his native Switzerland and in Dubai, where he lives part time. The conclusion was that he had contracted mononucleosis.

-Doctors were of the opinion that it was not food poisoning at Ao1008 but the initial stages of Mono. Fed later said he was lucky he was able to compete because nomally doctors advice against playing as it is a big risk. Cilic etc case in point.


-Fed claimed to be back to 100% fitness around the year ending masters tournament. Hence, there is no allegation that rafa won the AO2009 because fed was not 100%. rafa won that fair and square and the fear of losing his dominace was what reduced fed to tears.

-But most important of all, 2008 is history now and like a true champion fed roared back in 2009! Nadal is still recuperating from his body-smashing effort to haul fed off the top spot. it was amighty effort and it reamins to be seen if nadal will ever recover.

And comeon, Rafan gave a lot of 'excuses' too everytime Rafa loses it's because he have an injury bla bla bla...

@ carrie


First of all, what mono is - Mononucleosis is an infection usually caused by the Epstein-Barr virus. It can produce flulike symptoms and extreme, lingering fatigue.
Nobody is saying fed was not fit enough to play. The fact is only that fed was not 100%. it took a less than 100% fed and a nadal at 110% at the peak of his powers ti take fed off the top of tennis. The process seems to have broken Nadal's body. that is the fact and wont change no matter how much you beat your head against it.

@memi, Another puerile response. Wow. Am i amazed? No.

@carrie

A crash course in 2008 history for you-

- Beginning of AO 2008, fed had what was then thought to be a bout of food poisoning.

-Around the time of the exi-match against sampras, fed started getting more and more ill.

-After falling ill for the third time in six weeks, he had extensive tests in his native Switzerland and in Dubai, where he lives part time. The conclusion was that he had contracted mononucleosis.

-Doctors were of the opinion that it was not food poisoning at Ao1008 but the initial stages of Mono. Fed later said he was lucky he was able to compete because nomally doctors advice against playing as it is a big risk. Cilic etc case in point.


-Fed claimed to be back to 100% fitness around the year ending masters tournament. Hence, there is no allegation that rafa won the AO2009 because fed was not 100%. rafa won that fair and square and the fear of losing his dominace was what reduced fed to tears.

-But most important of all, 2008 is history now and like a true champion fed roared back in 2009! Nadal is still recuperating from his body-smashing effort to haul fed off the top spot. it was amighty effort and it reamins to be seen if nadal will ever recover.

Food poisoning, that's a new one!

*sorry for the double post and few typos
*AO2008, Ancic not Cilic etc.. sorry

@carrie, it would be new for you but for people who actually follow their players it is not.. i follow fed's career closely and i remember. IF you cant remember the best year of your hero's life and what factors contributed to it, i don't know what to say.

torres, rafa is not the one claimed to be the "greatest ever" therefore, he doesn't need to produce anything. let you tell it, he doesn't have anything to offer; expectations are low; if that is true, should we expect anything from a person who doesn't have anything left to give! goes to show, you wouldn't know nonfiction from fiction if it jumped up and slapped you! does anybody know how to spell "Mentally Disturbed". I spell it, TORRES!

carrie, you know better than fed's doctor now?

"FEDITG, as far as I know, Federer did not miss a single tournament due to his so called mono. If was probably just a minor virus, but he milked it for what it was worth".

yeah. so fed's doctor is a liar is he? gosh. what a statement.

Von,

Thanks for the e-mail address. I sent you a reply from my personal e-mail, using my screen name in the subject section, so you know it's from me.

I look forward to chatting with you privately. We have a lot to discuss.

Take care!

FEDistheGOAT, some of you fedfans needs therapy to get to the root of why you continue to live in a distorted reality!

roger had 70 hours of rest between the semis and final of 2009 australian; nadal had roughly 42 hours between the semis and final; nadal played a 5+ hours semifinal; came back and defeated roger in five sets in the final and you people have the nerves to use a psychotic excuse like roger wasn't well! i'm sure you had to make an excuse because it was so embarrassing for roger to get that many hours of rest and still lose! may i ask, when will roger be well or will he ever be well again or is he just well when he wins! i've observed many things in sports over the years, but nothing compares to the irrational mental state of fedfans! they can come up with lame excuses at the drop of a dime! there is nothing, nothing like it in any sport!

@memi

This is what i said -
'-Fed claimed to be back to 100% fitness around the year ending masters tournament. Hence, there is no allegation that rafa won the AO2009 because fed was not 100%. rafa won that fair and square and the fear of losing his dominace was what reduced fed to tears.'

please have the basic manners to read before abusing.

should we expect anything from a person who doesn't have anything left to give-memi

Owhh puhhlezz.. If you are not expecting anything, then why whine everytime Mr.Rafa loses and Fed wins..

New way to spell, 'idiot'- MEMI

FEDITG, look at how they try to talk abt Rafa's past glories again. Coz that's all they can talk about. No titles for months.

Getting owned by top 10 players. That's why Rafans are the most delusional and angry fans here... All they can do is rewind and rewind..

FEDistheGOAT, if you can't run with the big dogs, go sleep on the porch! if you can't take it, don't dish it out!


torres, be original please! oh, my bad! how can you be original if you don't know what it means!

@memi,

i tried to be reasonable and furnish facts that you delusional rafa fans are lacking and you call it dishing it out? You said that i was making an excuse for the 2009 final and i just quoted my own post to show that i was saying rafa 100% deserved that win. And this is your response? Better get some sleep then, kiddo.

My mistake in trying to address you like an adult, I will try not to do so again. i didn't know you were a big dog ready to dish it out. Sorry. Anyway, keeping the trend with all your posts, your reply doesnt answer my question or raise anything new.

@torres,

look at the person asking you to be original, there are two worn out cliches in the very post making that demand. :)

FEDistheGOAT, i'm shaking in my boots! bring it! i'm sure you as vicious as you sound!

Haha this is memi, she cant take it when ppl attacks her points and then she will resort to childish jabs.

I am focused on the discussion so i'll just use ur childish insults on you memi and looks like u cant handle it.. LOL...

Oh goodness, I can't help but reply to a few points here.

First of all, Carrie, I said 'who knows' what would have happened if the conditions had been lighter, still could have gone Nadal's way, but it would have been nice to see conditions not have an effect on such a breathtaking match and watch it played out without any interruption. I play decent tennis and enter a lot of tournaments, I for one cannot play in wind, simply because I play so aggressive, that the smallest difference of going for lines means most my shots fly wide or long, however, if I had as much margin for error as Nadal, I'd probably do a lot better. Same in the dark, Nadal's topspin is far easier to execute in wind and darker conditions than say a game like Fernando Gonzales, flatter more penetrating shots. So yes, the darker conditions definitely had an effect on both players, Nadal just handled it better, mainly because of what I just explained. Still a worthy winner though, I'm not doubting that.

Secondly, memi - I don't think you understand what mono is, and I don't need to hop on the bandwagon and go google it and post a definition, I feel confident enough to just talk to you like a person and explain what I think is most relevant to this conversation surrounding the condition.
Mono is not a cold, its not a bruise, its not an ache from a twisted muscle, nor is it a headache or nosebleed, all of which come and go, it is a lingering shitstorm that can take a very long time to completely recover from, ask Ancic, poor lad.
Federer lost in Australia to Nadal because he served at 35% in one of the sets, which is the worst match I have ever seen him play in terms of serving, so yes, I'd hope Nadal at his very best could beat Federer when playing so poorly.
Nadal beat Federer in Wimbledon the year before because he took it from him, a simply incredible match, however, Fed was still not at 100%, I personally don't even think Fed was back to full health till the end of the year, mono wise, he had back issues too which probably accounted for poor serving in the OZ open against Nadal, but mono speaking, yes it would have taken him a year to really get his spring back in his step, simply because he didn't take enough time off in the year to focus solely on recovery. That being said, after losing in Australia '08 and finding out he had mono, he still made another 3 major finals, and won the US that year, believe it or not, I still don't think he was 100% then either, when he won it in straight sets against Murray.

I think if you asked Ancic would he rather have knee trouble or mono, he'd probably take the dodgy knees, as a knee can heal far quicker than what mono can do to you, I think one of the all time great unexplainable sporting triumphs is how Federer made it to a slam semi with mono, overcoming Tipsarevic in 5 sets to do so, that to me is actually more mind boggling than him making 23 consecutive semi's throughout his career.

So there we have it, Tiger Woods won the US Open on one leg, Federer made all four major finals with mono, and Nadal won Rolland Garros with a bad knee, oh my bad, he got knocked out by Soderling, maybe thats the reason why its always been Woods and Federer, because they can do things that no one else can do, find a way to keep winning when they shouldn't be.

I actually should change that to Federer made the remanding major finals (3) with mono, as I don't think he had it anymore when he lost to Nadal in Oz '09.

eelesino, do not patronise me about what mono is, because you know absolutely nothing about who I am and what I know or don't know. I could give you a full account of mine and my family background and how accomplished we all are in various fields including medicine, but that's irrelavant on a tennis blog.

All I know is, mono is a disease that saps your energy, so I can't understand how someone even with the mildest form of it can afford to keep going and not miss a single tournament, even getting deep into them. I am still suggesting that maybe he only had a virus, that's my opinion, and you are entitled to it.

Great opinion.

Problem is that Rafans believe that everytime Rafa beats Fed, Fed is 100% and everytime Fed beats Rafa, Rafa is 40%.

Owhh well, h2h is so ancient.. Tennis is so much more than 20 matches... Why dont we focus on the competitive players now.. Even Isner and Baghdatis can hurt Rafa-Fed so Rafa-Fed rivalry is as good as dead now.

hey torres even tho it holds intergrity but plz dont say it " rafa-fed rivalry is as good as dead now" noOO!! that hurts :( :P hehe

the rivalry will continue for many more years to come vamosrafa, they are both inspiring players to watch - just hope that rafa's knees dont give up on him too soon - that would be a massive disappointment to the tennis sport.

These members Carrie & homos are always trying to down Federer every time his achievements are written about in this forum;
They perfect example of fanatics, somewhat like the one who attacked Monica Seles way back in the early 90's, just because his favorite Graf was unable to defeat Seles on court!
These fanatics are very harmful not only for the game itself, but also for the players and fans alike!

solitudine, there is no point. have to say though in homos' defence, had a really great conversation with him a few days ago, he has shown me a :) lighter side so homos is in two camps i think sol. carrie used to be lovely (at the start), not recently though but just got to scroll on by as they say. and anyway, there are plenty lovely people here to have a conversation with who are rafa fans, VAMOSRAFA being one of them, he's adorable.