i'm starting to dislike him now. maybe he didn't mean it as it came across, but bit harsh to imply rafa and federer have no life

The thing with Davydenko, Sib, is that he says what he means. He's a straight shot. Shoddy thing to say about Roger crying though.

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not clever to make that kind of comment about the top two players before a slam - or anytime. not even necessary. and i'm pretty sure rafa and fed have more of a life than him off court. they just happen to be more successful at tennis as well.

it's the "I don?t cry like Federer at winning a Grand Slam." comment that annoyed me. let's wait and see what his reaction is if he ever wins one

Unfortunate comments.
But how would he know if he would cry or not after bagging a major? He's never done it before.

"I don?t cry like Federer at winning a Grand Slam."

Total lack of class. I was never fond of the Russian with the Robotic game. Comments like these will alienate him further from several neutral tennisfans.

If that's how Davy feels about Rafa and Roger, then I guess he's entitled to his opinion. But I don't think it's the smartest thing to talk them down right before a grand slam. Rafa and Roger won't say anything publicly, but they hear this stuff. Why give any prospective opponent extra incentive?

The dig at Roger for crying at last year's AO was completely unnecessary. Coming from a guy who hasn't won a grand slam, that takes a lot of nerve.

now,he's started to annoy me..I know I will hate him someday..
"I don't cry like Federer at winning a Grand Slam."How can he said that when he never win a GS before?I will be glad if he didn't even make it to the quarter..I can't imagine what else would he says when he wins the GS..You don't have to be that annoying just because you won against Rafa or Fed..

How does he know that they think about tennis all the time? Of course they have a life but they don't have to justify themselves to Davydenko. He is getting cocky now because he has beaten both of them recently, but he's still got a long way to go to fill their shoes.

I hope they put him in his place asap. Obviously, there is some resentment there about the profiles of Roger and Rafa get as the faces of tennis, a role that Davydenko will never live up to.

There is only one word for it - ENVY.

imjimmy,

i think you completely misunderstood unfortunately. statement on crying just simply means "i'm not as emotional as Federer". no real reason for so many hostile comments. i think that Davy is a classy guy and always gives credits to his fellow players.

carrie, no offense, but sometimes i read your nick as (s)carrie.

i feel the same rzr........davy wasnt mocking anyone,he meant that he isnt as emotional as federer....

regardless of whether he was mocking fed, he's got no business making a comment like that about a 15-time slam winner when he hasn't even made the final of ONE!

carrie, no offense, but sometimes i read your nick as (s)carrie.

rfzr , 1/18/10 6:47 AM


Explain.

he means that ur scary...;)

Davy has been misrepresented. The quote is: "I don't cry like Federer at winning a grand slam. He holds it in for two weeks and then explodes. I am different."
See interview at: guardian.co.uk/sport/australian-open. As a matter of fact he comes over a really well balanced guy. Not as hungry as some, but so what?

yes he is a very balanced guy.........he is being misinterpreted here!

federer is a cry baby. he cries way too much for a man.
he is disgrace to the tough male species.

getting emotional once in a while is fine, but sobbing like a baby is pathetic.
he even cried in the press conference in maimi last year after losing to djokovic.

he really needs to stop his sobbing, swiss people are so soft.

Davy is very good and modest person. Again he is misinterpreted.. so many times.
So what if he mentioned Fed..?. Fed was very diplomatic in his statement about Davy, and he never missed opportunity to mention match fixing (never proved).
He is "defending" Davy...but he reminds the people in that way.
Kolya is just different...
And Fed and Rafa...yes, for them tennis is everything... what's wrong with that???

ATR...first russians... now swiss people... what is your problem???

I agree that the comment about "not crying like Federer" wasn't mean as a dig at Roger. Like others said, what Davydenko meant was that he isn't as emotional and is unlikely to cry if he ever wins a Grand Slam. However, his comment about Roger and Rafa having no life made me roll my eyes. Just because those guys are highly successful doesn't mean that tennis is their whole life. As far as I know, Nadal has a girlfriend. Federer has a wife and two children and admittedly loves spending time with them. That , at least in my book, will translate as having a life. Arguably, more than Davydenko. It's funny, because Federer was, not once, criticized for having "too much life" outside court - fashion shows with Anna Wintour, shopping with Mirka, dinning with Gavin and Gwen, etc.

atr: do you actually like any tennis player? and don't answer "any that play attacking tennis". i mean do you actually support one player in particular?

i agree with you homos. THIS is usually the case, the moment any of the player wins a tournament, they begin to run their mouths. In most cases they can keep up yhe momentum for longer.

@sib69

i support the next GOAT tomic.

i support good aggressive tennis.

Seeing Cilic today and how he struggled with Santoro (??!) and some of the Tomic's tennis today, I vote for Bernard! If this kid maintains the level he played, well, I foresee another upset...

"I don?t cry like Federer at winning a Grand Slam."

Yeah, Fed also doesn't dump matches as part of a betting scheme -- allegedly.

Why are so many of you offended by Davy's comments? When someone makes a comment, why must it be viewed straight away in a negative way?

First, he said he will not cry like Fed when he wins a slam, anything wrong with that? He knows himself better than anyone else knows him, so he may be just saying that he is not the emotional sort. Somebody mentioned in the above post that he was trying to have a dig at Fed for crying at the AO ceremony when he lost. Hello? He mentioned when WINNING a Slam, and not LOSING a slam, so where is the dig?

His reference to Fed and Rafa thinking of tennis all the time may also means that he admired them or maybe even envy them for they are able to do so. He himself is not one that can do that all the time, as he may have other distractions in his life. See, things can be interpreted in a positive way, if one chooses to. Why think negatively and starts seeing every comment in the negative way and get angry over it. Anyway, Davy has his rights of opinion and they remain only his opinion. I'm sure we ourselves have our own opinions about Fed and Rafa too, but may not be explicit about them.

The reasons why his words comes across as -ve:

Davydenko ACCUSED Federer and Nadal--among others--of thinking ONLY about tennis.

"I HAVE A GOOD LIFE," the sixth-ranked Russian explained. "It?s not only about tennis for me. Maybe I am not a champion like Nadal or Federer. These guys mostly think about tennis. For them, it?s only tennis; winning tournaments, winning a grand slam, dreaming maybe every day about it. I am not that guy, I AM DIFFERENT."
--- What's the implication here? He has a good life, he's different from the other two = they DON'T have a good life.

"I don?t cry like Federer at winning a Grand Slam."
--- I'll wait til he wins a slam to comment on this one.

"Why not? I can win it for sure. I beat everyone already in the Top 10. It doesn?t matter if it?s a Grand Slam or another tournament. I feel I can continue my level and beat these guys here."
--- Hello!!! It does matter if it's a grand slam tournament, especially when you're refering to Roger. But fine, it doesn't mean he CAN'T beat them in a slam, we shall see soon enough.

luckystar - I don't think he envied them...or at least that's not the impression that I get. I think it was "hey, I'm not willing to put into the game what they do". I doubt it was an insult, but maybe a "yeah, they win all the time, but look what they go through to do it" type thing.

As for the crying thing. I have to agree with most of the other posters. Davydenko has NO IDEA what he would do if he won a slam. It was a silly statement to make, even if was not meant as a direct insult to Federer (though I tend to think that it was at least a little bit of a shot).

I wonder...is this really political... is it because he is big mean russian....
Those comments are disgusting...
SenorPlaid...your Exfed is cry baby...it's same stat as your about fixing matches!
Look at you all...unbeleivable!!!
What would you say if he said that he IS like Roge and Rafa!!!
...and while ago...when he said "I am not Safin" everybody was laughing...pathetic!
It will be real pleasure to watch when he wipe the floor with ExFed... ( This time I don't say this because of Fed, but beacuse of Fed fanatics like SP)

Well maybe Davy does not envy Fed or Rafa for thinking of tennis all the time, maybe what he implies is that he is not going to be like Fed and Rafa, putting in all his focus and efforts into tennis. He would rather 'enjoy' his life doing something else, and he thinks that to him that is a better life! And like what cheryl says, it is not an insult.

We may think that Davy has no idea what he would do if he won a slam, but like what I mentioned, he knows himself better than we know him. He may not be the emotional type and he knows it, and the fact that he said it explicitly that he will not cry means he would have thought about it and thought about the possibility of him winning a slam. To me, I think Davy views tennis as his job, unlike Fed and Rafa, who view tennis as their job and hobby and their passion. So I think Davy may be one guy that would just feel happy that he excel in his job and is rewarded for it, rather than feel emotional about it.

homos, no need to feel so offended by Davy's comments. He may think that he is enjoying his life, so be it. That does not mean that Fed and Rafa are not enjoying their lives, it is not mutually exclusive. One man' s meat is another man's poison.

I believe Davy when he says he will not cry when he wins a slam, after all playing tennis may be just a job for him and there is no need for him to feel emotional about it. I think he is more happy than emotional about it because that means he gets a big paycheck of close to $1.4 - $1.5 million. He is also merely stating a fact that he has beaten the top 10 players and we couldn't argue about it. He may be feeling confident and frank enough to admit it. I like his frankness, he always speaks his mind. I'm not siding him, just feel that we need not feel offended by his comments.

Davydenko is quite right, he is not a Federer or Nadal, because he's got no charisma.

Maybe not offensive, but inaccurate, in my opinion. Roger has passion for the game, no question, but he has a GOOD life outside the court. He has said that repeatedly. Why would he lie? Plus the evidence is right there. In Switzerland people are not awestruck just because is a sports star, people there treat him just like another guy and he enjoys that, so he is not a sucker for fame, either. Also he is not obsessed with breaking records, although it sure is special to be the one to reach such high accomplishments, he keeps on playing because he "loves the game". A very healthy and happy attitude in my opinion.
Rafa also is famous for his saying "I'ts just a game". His fans (including me) seem to get far more upset at his loses than he does. Sure he works hard, because he has a very strong work ethic, but he also fells he is just a normal guy with his friends and family. Roger and Rafa would be the last two players I would consider obsessed or unhappy. In contrast Davy himself has been known for playing more tournaments than anybody else regularly on tour, while in a couple of occasions he has been warned to play with intent to win, when he was obviously making no effort and it was obvious to the umpire... and I won't go into the betting scandal, since he was cleared of charges, but overall, I just don't like the man all that much, and these statements don't help.

some Rafafans lost the credibility to talk about Fed, so please keep quiet.

zare I happen to agree with you in some extent.

grafight... I was 3 years in Basell... plase don't talk to me how Fed likes to be treated...
In Swiss he is not star... he is GOD... and he enjoys that status very well...
OK...he deserved it. He is great champion... maybe even greatest!!! Nobody denies that...
Swiss is smal country and people are very proud. They simply adores Fed. In Serbia people adores Nole. Same is with Rafa in Spain.
They are not ordinarly guys...

I don't think anyone on this site has the right to tell Rafa fans, or anyone else for that matter, whether or not they should be quiet. We are all entitled to have our opinions.

It seems that the 2 tournaments he won have gotten to him and thinks that he can critisize everyone and especially the one that beat him 12 straight times. What a fool. Who cares about his opinion regarding other players anyway? Maybe Feds choice of life and ambition is to be the greatest and win all the time and be remembered in the history books, someone else maybe wants to make some money have a little fame and party ( Safin comes to mind). There are many more examples of attitudes towards ones proffession but everyone is entitled to his without anyone making bad comments about him. So he says he has a life and Federer a father of two children already doesn't? Maybe while he was practising forehands he was also making babies with Mirka on the court? In my opinion he should have his mouth shut and mind his own business. Especially when he was for years the player with most tournaments played and most matches played. It seems silly when you have your own skeletons in the closet, to criticize others.

"some Rafafans lost the credibility to talk about Fed"

comedy at its finest

rfzr - we on the Tennistalk team will decide who has or hasnt "lost the credibility" to make comments here. Thanks.

Apart from discussing tennis we can have some fun, can't we?

My point was that some Rafa fans have dual standards when attacking/defending Fed according to the context, but you figured that out by yourself already, right? Thanks.

Slowly but shurely this post is becoming ROFL...
So many words of wisdom...
GO NIKOLAJ!!!!

Fans of all players have dual standards. You just need to get used to it.

Well, that was 100% first service Ricky :-)

No, that was concealed Agassi case :-). Sure Ricky, will try to.

rfzr you never had any credibility to begin with so get lost!

luckystar, I'm not so offended by his words, I'm more surprised that someone who hasn't come close to winning a slam should say that. I mean how does he know how he'd feel when he hasn't experienced it? Sure he knows himself best but that's baseless and no credit imo when you have no actual experience ot base it on. Well, I just hope it's a language thing, that maybe he didn't express himself the way some of read it. I've always liked Davy, but much less now. And that comment about I'm no Safin to me was a very obvious joke. Everyone reads the same thing differently and we're all entitled to our opinion, and come here to discuss it. Maybe if someone can find a different take published on what Davy said, we can discuss that too or see it in a different light.

thanks homos, smugalot.

@rfzr

this forum is one of the most censored forums on the net.
there are some real control freaks that dont know how to have fun or take a joke.
lacking social skills i reckon.

everyone knows tennis is all about federer.

attacker, no worries it is the way it is.

Are you watching Carsten Ball vs Verdasco? I'm really positively surprised by the way he is playing? He looks like a real deal to me? Is he the Tsonga of 2008?

nah they are showing serena williams match.
stupid, verdasco should be in center court.
why they had stosur in center court is a joke.

ball has a big serve, ball is more focused on tennis that tomic. tomic just runs his mouth alot and dont back it up, whereas ball is just talking with his racket.

i'll tell u what, some of these aussie 'commentators' are extremely annoying.
some one them are aussie rules commentators commentating on tennis.
utterly clueless.

First of all on topic I find Davydenko simply lacks class! Fed and Nadal certainly do not think about tennis all the time, they are both legends but what is wonderful is that they are both really lovely down to earth guys. Just watching them yesterday at the hit for haiti gig was awsome! Davydenko doesn't draw the attention they do, he just doesn't market as well and is well short of their achievements. He is getting a little ahead of himself I feel.

I agree about the commentating, they talk about old matches and stats,(always getting it wrong), Mats Villander on Eurosport is the worst, I don't know how many times he has mentioned Rafa's loss to Federer in Madrid as being 1-6 and 2-6! it certainly wasn't, it was 4-6 4-6! I remember it well. Bring back sky sports I say! The aussie commentators are even worse! Its such a shame that the so called ' happy slam is spoiled by all their nonsense and clueless comments.

Well however you feel about Davydenko ... he was playing some mighty tennis out there today.

@afrodite

yea i agree with u about the commentators.

wilander is a waste of space, he has been anti-nadal for ever. as has that french goon guy forget.
i love federer's game and fed himself but the aussie commentators are licking roger's b*lls every 2nd word. its sick to listen. they go on about how federer could be the greatest human alive on earth right now. i was like wtf!!!
the worst aussie commentators are hamish mclaughlin, william bowrey, fred stolle, gary wilkinson, mark woodforde and wally masur. u listen to those clowns for 5 minutes and i guarantee u will go nuts.
other useless commentators are tracy austin, luke jensen, murphy jensen.

and there are many utterly useless british commentators that go on about how great murray is ALL THE TIME.

most of these clowns are ex-players that have an elitist view of life.

here is for those who thinks Davy has a class:
Federer pressor
QNikolay Davydenko said everyone in the draw is scared of him. Are you scared of him?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, respect the way he deserves. Yeah, sure.
Q. Not scared?
ROGER FEDERER: "Scared" is a bad word. I don't like that word. Ask a boxer if he's scared of the other guy. I don't think he's going to say yes.
Q. Do you fear him?
ROGER FEDERER: I respect him like I do over a hundred other players in the draw.

sorry but did Federer said that in Wimbledon when he won 6 times
Did Nadal said that in the FO
sure he is no Nadal or Federer he simply cant some stuff cant be aquired!
Shame on him

davydenko keeps running his mouth he is going to run into an inform federer or nadal in a slam and get absolutely duffed up.

davydenko is not a popular players, this will make him even more unpopular.
trust me, federer was just being diplomatic, u can bet federer and nadal are pretty pissed after hearing davydenko's assult on their characters.

Q. Do you think players like Federer and Nadal have an advantage here because you have to win three sets? They always do well in Grand Slams. Do you think it can change something?

NIKOLAY DAVYDENKO: I don't know. It's always talk about Federer, Nadal, Federer, Nadal. Yeah, these guys always come in the final, play against guys both in finals in every Grand Slam.

But who knows now. If you see Wimbledon was Roddick, Del Potro was US Open. Game is change now. Have top 10 guys is pretty hard. If you see Soderling was in the final of Paris. It's not always Federer and Nadal in finals. It start to change in tennis.

I hope not to be anymore only Nadal?Federer.



this davydenko has got issues. jealousy towards nadal and federer is clearly apparent here. tennis is about nadal and federer, they have been 1 and 2 since 2005.

Davydenko definitely has issues with Federer and Nadal as I suspected with his jibe that they are only all about tennis. I suppose it must stick in the throat of a lot of players that these two players are so much in the limelight, but many are too diplomatic to say it in so many words.

Davy, envy will get you nowhere.

"but many are too diplomatic to say it in so many words."

So carrie you admit that he was only honest in his statement.

To be honest, I'm glad Federer and Nadal are not like Davydenko, if they were, where would tennis be - down the plughole in profile. He should be grateful to them for drawing the crowds and sponsors who pay for his prize money.

Other players have said that the duopoly is fragile because other players are posing a threat, but they haven't been so offensive about it. Everyone knows that both Federer and Nadal have a fight on their hands to keep the top spot, but they have always had to, it's not as if all these titles were handed to them on a plate, they had to win the matches year after year after year.

zare, other players have expressed similar opinions but not been so bitter about it like what Djokovic is reported to have said in the Telegraph the other day:

By Telegraph staff and agencies
Published: 9:34AM GMT 17 Jan 2010
Novak Djokovic - Australian Open 2010: Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer's reign at the top is over
End of an era: Novak Djokovic no longer thinks Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer will dominate the grand slams.

"The last five, six years the dominance was obvious from Federer, Nadal," Djokovic said. "They've been winning all the grand slams they've played. But now in last two years or so the things are changing a little bit.

"It's good for the sport and it's good for us, the group of the players that is trying to catch up with Federer and Nadal.

"We have more belief that we can win a grand slam."

Despite that Djokovic, who has not been able to add to his success at Melbourne Park two years ago, admits Federer and Nadal are still the favourites in Australia.

"Obviously Federer, Nadal are the best two players of the world are the two biggest favourites to win it again this year," he said.

"Then you have Del Potro, Murray, Roddick, Davydenko. They're all in great shape, great form.

"I think it's getting very interesting, men's tennis. It's good for the sport to have a good group of the players that are able to win a major event or a grand slam.

"I think over the years this can be one of the most exciting grand slams."

Yes, of course, other players might resent the attention that Federer and Nadal get, but it's always good to keep somethings to yourself in order not to appear bitter which I think is what Davydenko has achieved by his comments.

Davy has dry sense of humor, Putin like; too bad it is hard for some to grasp that finally and forever.

Davy has also got a poor English....you never know what he meant BUT yes it does appear bitter

davydenko and putin looks the same.
davy has better english than raffy's spanglish.

attacker lol

"He should be grateful to them for drawing the crowds and sponsors who pay for his prize money."
...carrie...there is no need to comment this...lol...
Djokovic bitter!? He is open and honest guy... what did he said wrong... is that incorrect???
Everybody knows that era of Rafa and Fed is over... ofcourse they are still there on top... but not anymore dominant as before...
So please can you explaine to me what wrong with Nole's statement???

zare, read careful what I said:

zare, other players have expressed similar opinions but not been so bitter about it like what Djokovic is reported to have said in the Telegraph the other day.

You misunderstood the point I was trying to make that other players feel that Federer and Nadal can now be challenged, but don't sound so bitter about it.

ok...probably my bad english... may bad Carrie:-(

I'm hosting a Swedish exchange student at the moment, and he says that Soderling's win over Nadal at the FO has inspired young Swedes to take the sport, this is the kind of impact both Fed and Rafa have on the sport at the moment. If Soderling had beaten Davydenko, I doubt that that would happened.

I agree that many players do feel bitter about the attention showered upon Fed/Rafa. I think that is human nature, can't blame them. One player that I think will not feel bitter about it and is happy with his own life is Marat Safin. I think he couldn't care less about all these. He is on good terms with both Fed/Rafa. These three guys are the most charismatic among all players, any one of them playing will be able to attract many spectators to the arena. Too bad Safin has to retire.

zare,
that's OK.

ZARE: Thanks for your insight into the way Fed is treated in Basel and Switzerland. I was just going from his own statements. He has expressed that people don't get so worked up about seeing him in his home town as they do in other places around the world (mabye they just don't like to appear uncool?) In Spain Rafa gets mobbed wherever he goes. Paparazzi assail him in multitude and girls run up to him screaming. I hope the Swiss are a little more restrained. Not saying that they don't worship Roger, but maybe they aren't as demonstrative? What do you think?

Do we really want out tennis players to be Stepford wives?? Come on people, stop being so judgemental! And I still maintain he was misrepresented.

davydenko and putin looks the same.
davy has better english than raffy's spanglish.
attackingtennisrulez , 1/19/10 12:29 PM

i think that's the only time i've ever agreed with you :P :D

zare,

Honesty is not always the best policy at times. If Davy wants to give his opinion about Fed and Rafa, all well and good. Rafa and Roger never go around telling the world every little thing that's on their minds. They are too smart. They try to be respectful, diplomatic, sportsmanlike. They would be the ones who may be entitled to do some bragging, but they have managed to be restrained.

It's just never a good idea to shoot your mouth off too much, especially when it's right before a grand slam. Whatever Davy's intention, his remarks come off sounding somewhat childish, petulant and boorish.

Davydenko and Putin have never been seen in the same room at the same time.

Native... yes, that's true. I didn't say it's wise. Only Davy knows why did he said that.
But don't you find it's booooooring to listen to same sentences from players each time when they have mic.
Even commentators. For example look at Mats Willander... he goes wet dawnthere when he speak about Fed. And he openly hates some players... he even lies very often.
Today he was commenting Nole's first match and said that Nole never won over Fed in 5 set match... is he forgeting or there is something else... I mean there should be some objectivity...
But then again... honesty and true in media todays...that's another story.

If it's any consolation zare, Wilander was known as the most boring player on tour. He used to send people to sleep.

wilander is a total tool. the guy has no idea, he is just a cheerleader for his poodles.
he represents the elitist people in world tennis.
and most of these elitist people is biased towards federer wayyy too much, and federer is the ultimate elitist guy.
where as nadal represents like the common family man.

tennis is still way too elitist, it must be stopped one way or another.
ex-players and older viewers are extremely elitist.
they support the same elitist players with no objectivity at all.

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