haha...all i have to say is that thank god he was not in the other group...the king of time wasting resides there ...Muzz probably would have thrown a fit on court ..hahah...
must be something in the Spanish water ....sigh ...anyways ....i really did not see Verdasco wasting too much time doing anything dumb.....
Probably worth watching the match again to see what the issue is ..

C'MON !!

He should try the swiss water. Perhaps being an arrogant loud mouth is more like it!

Bala bala bala another excuse from the model of irritation ,when he lost at Wimbledon SF to Roddick he wasn't too concern abt the lost but why the umpire gave him code violation ,i find his game ,his attitude, his body language very negative,especially his negative attitude in the court just annoys me big time. No offense if u r his fans but that's just how i find it.

I am out of the tournament because my opponent would not rise out of his chair in time, not because I got spanked by Federer----Andy Murray

geez...! the article is about Murray rightfully calling on Verdasco's timewasting,and the 2nd comment is about Roger's arrogance! *roll*
ok jean,if fedexfan joked about Rafa's timewasting,why don't know just explain on that? MANY posters on this forum insult Roger and I do reply to them when they do,but not with trashing their favs. what does Roger's so called "arrogance" have to do with time-wasting?

back tp the topic,Murray in spot on. FV does take too much time between the points and the bad thing is that he does it on his opponents serve which is quite uncomfortable for the other guy. Murray obviously doesn't like to be kept waiting when he wants to serve,as it was shown in his match with Roger.(he told the umpire not to stop him)

niloofar , you cannot deny or defend the time wasting with rafa ...hence the reason for the low blow . there is just no come back . you break the rules on tv every single time ....you cant defend that . haha ...but that was just a joke ( though very true ) , and was actually meant to magnify murray's reaction on the issue rather rafa's habits .

Anywayssssss.....

Verdasco is not that bad on serve . But you are right when it comes to receiving serve niloofar ...he should let murray set the pace ...not let murray wait for him . That will be very annoying .

C'MON !!

MurrayFan, 11/28/09 5:15 AM
umm MurrayFan ....im gona go out on a limb here and say that you are either NOT a Murrayfan or just a really pissed off MurrayFan ...

Which one ?

C'MON !!

Some people here take every chance to have a dig at Rafa no matter what the topic or discussion. I see no reason RF should not be subjected to the same attacks. I noticed it's only low when it's directed at RF, but it's ok if its Rafa 'cos you guys hate him. "Play nice and so will I" was what someone here said! You guys are just as hypocritical as your fav. As long as the jibes at Rafa continues, RF will receive the exact same level trashing. SO have a think about hos it feels!

You tell'em Jean:)

So basically,in a round-about-way,It was nando's fault that murray didn't make the semi's....ok

Hey don't be a wet blanket.....Andy
Don't be a cry baby Andy, accept that you are out..
To win is good, to lose gracefully is better

It was the manner of losing out for the SF that must be bugging him. The results he posted this week were respectable rather than spectacular. But this end of year RR tournament always leaves some players licking their wounds and feeling hard done by.

We call it time wasting but if we step back and observe how each player utilizes their time in between points and their style, we'll understand why some players spend less time than others. Murray, Fed, Roddick are players who thrive on momentum and don't need to think over each point. Nadal, Verdasco, Delpo are more methodical players who carefully and tactfully play each game. This drives some players insane as they lose patience to their tempo and make tons of unforced errors.

MurrayFan: that's "ironic murrayfan" is it? Oh very droll.
Was at match and Verdasco certainly str...etch..ed time rule at every change over.
Furthermore, Andy pulled a back muscle in match with Fed and it was clearly troubling him in match with verdasco, but he did not get the trainer on in either case. In fact I cannot remember when he last got the trainer on.

jean...
I have never trashed Rafa and I don't think it's fine when the jibes are directed at Rafa.so please don't direct your post at me.(that's how I took it)
the only thing I said was that it would be much more reasonable to defend your own man instead of trashing Fed.
I don't agree with your policy,yeah it's annoying to have your man trashed,but if you return the action it means that you approve of it and you even fuel it. if you do think the shots ppl here take at other players are cheap,then why not behave the way you think is proper,that would be a credit to you own man,wouldn't it? :)
btw,I don't think every criticism should be taken as trashing,I would very politely say that Rafa takes too much time between the points and it "might" be annoying to the opponent. that thinking doesn't mean I hate Rafa or want to trash him or anything.actually I do like Rafa but it's hard sometimes to try more to love him because of some fan's behaviour.
my fav is obviously Roger but he is not perfect either and I would criticize him.so not every criticismis trashing( I'm only talking about my own posts)

cheers!!!! :)

niloofar, you read it however you want. I said SOME people. I didn't say ALL RF fans. OK???? Understand???? And yeah, if Fed fans can trash Rafa, I can trash Fed. Why don't you JUST defend him when that happens? I don't like your policy either!

there was nothng offensive in my post Jean. but you can reply as you wish. I felt that you were complaining that Fed fans like ME don't mind Rafa bashing,so I just made it clear that I'm not a Rafahater.
the other thing was that I thought you were saying that the reason you trash Fed is just to reply to Rafa bashing,so I just gave a comment.just a friendly chat was what I intended.
your reasons to reply the way you did is unclear to me.
but apparently I made a mistake in reading your post,so ok,if you actually like to trash Fed or get into a heated arguement(which is the opposite of what I understood),OF COURSE you can,and I was not ordering you anything or disrespecting you. sorry to waste your time.
have a nice day.

I think you are being commendably restrained nilofar. Jean is being very confrontational at the moment

The problem is that I'm sick of few RF fans taking digs at Rafa. I've said before not all do it, only a few. However, what I find even more annoying is other RF fans (again not all) finding fault with those of us who retaliate instead of getting to the root of the problem - telling YOUR own RF fans to cease the digs if you want friendly discussions to continue. So yes, I'm sick of it. As long as the digs don't happen, Im happy just to read peoples' comments.

And ed-whatever you can suck up to them as much you like and get your brownie points. I saw your posts attacking nativenewyorker like you own this website! NNY's posts wre very enjoyable to read but even she god worked up by the needless attacks on Rafa and hardly post. The way I read it, you were pretty hostile and confrontational yourself to her, so look in the mirror first before your next move. You seem to just like attacking people when you feel like it for a post you take out of context. I don't know who you think are but carrying on sucking up. You do a great job.

I rest my case.

ed, i came over to this thread from your link on the other. i see, LOL....

jean can't be helped. it's a lost cause.

let me just say how much i love delpo and look forward to seeing how he does in 2010. but, he is a time-waster, like rafa, almost. i kinda agree with the muzza on this one. not trashing rafa here, just saying: some guys take too much time.

posting at my own risk....lol....

i miss tennis already!

Jean...
I know this is an endless discussion but you are talking like it's Fed fans who all the time trash Rafa and not the other way around. I know you probably disagree, but IMO,there is far more Fed trashing than Rafa trashing at least on this site.
actually to joke about Rafa's on court habits or things like that is much milder than constantly calling names or attcking one's integrity.

zoey234 You can fall asleep waiting for him to walk back to the baseline! I've never seen him playing Roddick, but it must be a hoot to watching the Fastest Gun in Town champing at the bit.

Inevitably any delPo-Rafa match involves rather a lot of 'down' time!

oh andy, just take the defeat on the chin.
dont whinge like the typical pom.

1st of all Murray didn't lose,and if you mean that lost set which cost him the tournament,I tell you that to call him a sore loser for complaining is a funny cliche.
whenever someone even mildly and rightfully points sth out after a loss they are sore losers.so what ? he's fine if he had political correctness and said it at another time? Andy is right about FV ,I don't know about the rest.why not say the plain truth?(and I'm not even a Murray fan!!)

niloofar, 12/4/09 2:00 PM You imply I believed Roger tanked the match deliberately. Actually I dont have a strong opinion either way. True I was guilty of disseminating the suspicions aired on French TV on another thread: but I also voiced the opinion that his lack-lustre performance in the 3rd set could be accounted for by a dip in adrenalin following the 2nd set battle to survive in the tournament.

I find it intriguing in general how speculation transforms into rumour and then becomes a theory. The whole process now accelearated a 1000 times by the internet. In my last comment I was simply discussing how Roger inadvertently added to the furore.

You are right, of course, about people seeking or repressing facts to support a theory. Politicians do it. Scientists do it. In fact we all do it some extent.