"It was not the first time I cried,"

We know buddy that u r an emotional person.So there was nothing wrong that u cried.That was natural & human nature.If we will not cry at critical time then who will ???? Don't care who who thinks what about u or ur cry as u have no control over one's reaction on any matter.
Best Of Luck against Murray !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope for another clash with RAfa or Andy !!!!!!! Jai ho !!!!!!!!

damage control, mr. federer!

u dont have 2 explain ur actions, rog. ur fans remain loyal and ur critics will never listen :) ur awesome!

Not all his fans are loyal. I know some who turned away from him for that outburst but he probably won over a few too. Anyway, it's only relevant how he feels and he obviously wishes it didn't happen. He knows it's something that will be brought up in furture. He'll just have to come to terms with it himself and I'm sure time will heal his wounds. It's just probably still raw and being asked about it in IW after it's over, he's not being allowed to forget about it.

Most critics will never listen - isn't that right??

Fans who turns to another player just because of something trivial like this is obviously not a good fan. I never change my support for a team/player in any sport just because the team/player start losing. I dont think anyone knows exactly how Roger feels and I dont think he can do it purposely unless he is an Academy Award winner. Come on, the tears came out. If he can fake tears then he obviously is a gifted actor.

I hope this ridiculous thing is put to rest and I am sure that Nadal would have cried too if he lost either in front of the crowd like Fed or in the locker room. Great competitors hate losing!

meim & remi , feeling u both r not different persons !!!!!!

Roger about Murray .........

"He's young, so I still have to figure him out a little bit "He's changing his game as time goes by. Every time you play him he plays a bit differently. Whereas for me, it's different. He knows what to expect. That's the advantage of a youngster."

i really couldn't care less what you feel. You and torres could also be the same person!! but carry on if it entertains you.

the people i know who turned away from fed didn't do it because he's losing or because they felt his tears were fake. if it's because of his performance, they would have truned away last year. it's a host of other reasons but nothing at all related to these two.

well his true fans dont turn away. hes human, we realise that. i love his flaws- his hilerious bad losering, his stubborness, his awareness of his own greatness- if thats a flaw. i see his honesty and his emotions as positive things. i just like it when my players cry haha- like when del po cried after he lost 2 muzza. totally liked that! its cute!

remi ,that;s also a possibility that me & torres9 can be same person,but fact is we r not !!!!!!!!

i don't think any of his (fed) fans have turned away from him.Its solid example is this site where he has same no of fans he had before loosing to Rafa at AO.In fact the no(of fans) is increased & it will keep increasing as his tears were not fake at all !!!!!!!!! And he did not performed bad last year as he reached all semis & three finals of all 4 GS !!!!!!!! It will be unfair to call that(2008) a bad performance.

He was asked about it by the journo who hadnt spoken to him after the AO...
Now,I dont care about bandwagon hoppers.I know Roger's site again reached a record no. of members and I know he received tremendous warmth from the crowd at AO..Thats all that matters anyhow.

Oh come on, I dunno if anyone is willing to login with torres9 and tomnjerry2 in the other account.. So tedious to type login ID which is so different. Now remi and memi, that's a different story. Just need to change 'r' to 'm' and the fact that your sentence structures are almost the same is a lil bit suspicious.

Like I said, fans who turns away for whateva reasons is not true fans. Imagine Nadal fans turning away because he starts to talk more and be more expressive. It's so trivial.

Bandwagon hoppers are the worst fans there is.

you were not around last year when one person was using numerous ids - that is if you weren't that person! it makes more sense to use very different ids than two that are so similar for people to start wondering. your sentence structures are also the same. You seem to savour causign trouble so it's highly like you are the same person. And people use identical or very different usernames on different forums. But like I said, carry on with your fantasy. You're in a good position for it.

And I don't care much for dreamers either!!

so just because you say he had a record no. of fans at the time that NONE of them turned away? Spoke with everone did you? I'm impressed!!

fedex was questioned about it , and he explained what happened . there is no mind games , nothing really ambiguous...and nothin no one reading cant (on a certain level) relate to . so haters ....move on before you give urself a bad rep.

As for the count for fedex fans ....oh come on ...look around at MS and GS events ....there is no shortage of ppl on board the FedExpress .

who are the haters here? can you point out to me which anti-fed comments were made? I implied he should be allowed to forget about it and it's only relevant to him. How is that hateful? The only hateful comments are the Fed fans feeling insecure and attacking others and coming up with forum stats. Move on guys, before you give yourselves an even worst rep!

I cried along with Rafa after Wimbledon 2007. I cried along with Roger at the AO 09 final.

The best in the world aren't afraid to show their human side.

(Also, it's INDIAN WELLS. Any chance the press will get past this at some point?)

Strange that it's been said Fed fans have turned away....name them....go on....name them......you know them personally? I don't think I've ever heard such a pile of garbage in my life. Because whoever watched Fed/Nadal AO final and saw that outpour of emotion at the end of a tough match - totally natural outpouring of emotion - with no hidden agenda. Premiership footballers do it all the time after winning the carling cup, championship cup, world cup. Rugby players do it all the time. Hug and cry...yes CRY....when they win or lose. Huge 6 ft. 6 men, grown men... tears pouring down their muddied cheeks. You see all of them - in tears - whether they lose or win. No one villifies them. But then I guess some people have more class to realise that. It's those so called tennis fans who just want to have a pop at the Federer. And I'm sorry....but I don't know any true fed fan who saw him get emotional in the final of the AO, turn away from him. The tennis fans I know just saw a more human side to a very fine tennis player.

That's the thing. ReMemi always like to start things up by saying 'damage control mr federer' and then after we fed fans gave counter arguments which they cant handle, they will say whoo started it? or 'u guys are obsessed'. Seriously ReMemi is the one who is so obsessed with Nadal otherwise they will only focus on Nadal's topics.

Seriously, anyone who saw the fans who came during Fed matches knows he has the largest fanbase. Just look at the poll in this website which is basically a popularity poll. Murray get more votes than Nadal WTF to win Indian Wells altho Nadal is No.1 rite now. Seldom that No.1 has lesser fans than no.4.

Correction: Djokovic get more votes than Nadal to win Indian wells. And also Rafa never get more votes than Fed in this website.

I suppose you have a point, maltese1. I sit here rebuked, duly. But seeing RF cry and seeing Rafa well up in tears watching Federer accept defeat is just painful all the way around. If anyone can empathise w/ Federer it most certainly would be Rafa. Rafa lost enough times in Finals and I remember feeling bad for him when he lost to Roger. It's a strange phenomenon indeed for me to cry at the outcome of a tennis match! Utterly ridiculous in fact. I never cried when Agassi and Sampras lost or any of the other champions I admire. Rafa and Roger are unique and both men are honest, love their sport and worthy of the GOAT in their respective roles.

remi , was not talking bout u . why so emotional ? ahha....now im curious why u tot i was talkin bout u ...?

I suppose you have a point, maltese1. I sit here rebuked, duly. But seeing RF cry and seeing Rafa well up in tears watching Federer accept defeat is just painful all the way around. If anyone can empathise w/ Federer it most certainly would be Rafa. Rafa lost enough times in Finals and I remember feeling bad for him when he lost to Roger. It's a strange phenomenon indeed for me to cry at the outcome of a tennis match! Utterly ridiculous in fact. I never cried when Agassi and Sampras lost or any of the other champions I admire. Rafa and Roger are unique and both men are honest, love their sport and worthy of the GOAT in their respective roles.

There are always two sides to every argument. Federer's fans are always on the wrong side.

The resurrection of the ''crying incident" is here again because of FED himself. He should not have given any comment about it IF he wanted to put it to rest. Here we are again saying the same OLD arguments about this.
This is getting UGLY again because the 2 sides are getting emotional and personal about it. What's UGLIER is that the SAME CHARACTERS are arguing. What's the UGLIEST is that THOSE CHARACTERS have evolved into some ferocious, vicious, ill mannered beasts throwing (un) pleasantries to each other... the worst thing is... I'm here with them!

Yeah, there you go pea brain agf25agf.....get your facts right. The question was asked of Fed at the media conference. They asked him the question, and because he is the type of guy who wants to answer the questions without appearing disrespectful, he answered. He didn't offer the explanation first! Read the transcript, moron. You are the 'ferocious, vicious, ill mannered beast throwing (un) pleasantries....your words because your vocabulary is LIMITED.....do you know what...I actually thought I had seen a softer side to your character.....just go back to yesterday.....your comments 'VINTAGE FEDERER'. But I knew it couldn't last. Why don't you just keep your mouth shut unless you are going to say something which is fair and balanced. Pure projection on your part again. And livingdoll, again, yeah. 2 sides to every argument. Fed fans are always on the wrong side?' and you don't call that agressive... And so back to the OLD arguments because morons like you agf25agf and living doll, keep bringing them up! Cos you got nothing interesting to say. Your the Are you for real? Go back to la la land. You are the ones who are obsessed in your own little fantasy worlds with Nadal and Djokovic. Nadal is a fantastic tennis player. A brilliant ambassador for tennis. Djokovic needs a bit of help right now...but am sure he will come good. Just get back to the tennis and stop stoking it up again. May be watch some tennis matches and learn......I guess you didn't make it, huh?

well answer the question than, what hateful comments??? and why is nadal brought into it now? it's always the same. you guys get all emotional and defensive over nothing because you are so insecure and than start with the name calling. it just shows why you are fans of this player.

Federer will always be top of the charts, even if he doesn't win the game, he is just magic to watch, will always be BIG FAVOURITE with the public!! Whether he cries is all irrelevant he is pure magic and popular with all who watch him!!!

That's malteser!
See what I mean... you just justified what i just stated!
Gutter languages... that's his staple food.
I didn't even say anything against Fed.
You're really intellectually challenged... u can't raise you're level of understanding.
Kinder level kids can beat you when it come to comprehension.
JUST ENJOY YOUR LOW LIFE... you deserve it!

fofe, this is a typical Federer comment, 'he is popular with all who watch him.' I watch him, and he is not popular with me.

He cried because he thought the crowd thought the better player lost, by saying:

'Then seeing again the old scenario of Rod Laver there; just Australian fans are so respectful and so knowledgeable of the game, that kind of created that kind of emotion.' Why shoud that make him cry????

Why do some on the forum hate people they don't know, over people they don't know, because they don't worship at the Federer alter.

If he wants to put it to rest, all he has to say is it's all in the past, so let's leave it there. He is still trying to justify himself. The organisers arranged it all in his favour, and Rod Laver was not there to present the trophy to Rafa; the people Laver beat in all the Majors were there to complete the picture, with Laver and Federer being the maestros and Nadal and the others being the losers. It all blew up in their faces.

LOL..Quite an explosion here. :)

livingdoll, I have cringed over the years every single time Federer cries at an award ceremony. Yes, I love his tennis game, his beautiful tennis but I get why others prefer a Rafa game. Chalk it up to being entertaining in an awkward way watching either at times. When the Swiss champ has a public breakdown, I turn away. Federer is human, I remind myself. And when I get overly enamored with Rafa's game, there is that ever-present nasty "picking habit" and for a moment, he too is human. They go down in history in my mind with their excellence and the memorable flaws: the crier and picker

Federer is a Leo, he is a lion. They really do believe that they are the king of the jungle and that everybody loves them. They can't help themselves, I know I am married to one.

Rafa on the other hand is a gemini. They are naturally gifted and bright and learn quickly, but are happy to be in the background, exactly like my son who was born on 4th June, Nadal - 3rd June.

livingdoll, I have cringed over the years every single time Federer cries at an award ceremony. Yes, I love his tennis game, his beautiful tennis but I get why others prefer a Rafa game. Chalk it up to being entertaining in an awkward way watching either at times. When the Swiss champ has a public breakdown, I turn away. Federer is human, I remind myself. And when I get overly enamored with Rafa's game, there is that ever-present nasty "picking habit" and for a moment, he too is human. They go down in history in my mind with their excellence and the memorable flaws: the crier and picker

LOOOL we're soon going to see astro-analysis of players here.

zoey234, I too hate that picking habit, if only Nadal would pack it in. That is the one thing that really gets to me. He managed to stop the socks twitching, so if he stopped the ass picking he would have no faults as far as I am concerned.

oops, sorry. accidental double-sending happening. lively forum you have here.

Oh livingdoll, Rafa is great fun to watch on so many levels that it totally makes all the unfortunate memorable arse picking just peachy. Can you imagine how completely thrown off a sensitive and overly observant opponent might be when facing a Rafa spectacle going on?

woow....a bom just exploded here ..its really difficult to post a comment without anyone disecting the living hell out of it .
livingdoll ..you said something very true bout the legends beings there ..AO was lined up for Fed to take the throphy ...i guess we cant expect RG to be lined up for the picker to take the throphy ...hahha...wouldnt it be so fun to see that blow up in flames with a fed upset hahah...

One can only hope, fedexfan, hope for that outcome, that magical outcome in which Federer gets a RG trophy with minimal breadown and Nadal gets a USO and nope, I will not even say, over the ass picking because I realise that particular nasty compulsion is now dear to my memory of the libidinous Mallorcan

agf25agf you ALWAYS say something negative/bad about federer, so stop backtracking. The only positive thing you have EVER said about the guy is 'Vintage Federer', and that's probably because you meant to say 'Vile.' because you are limited in your imagination and journalistic expression and probably cannot type properly..... So don't project your vitriolic comments towards me cos you started this buddy...and there are a lot of people out there who think that you are completely blindfolded in terms of Fed's talent. You are just what you are. You cannot help it. BUT read the transcripts man....it's all well and good saying that Fed is a cry baby, but as I said....look at all the great sportsmen out there....Beckham, Zidane, rugby players as I have said....they are passionate about their sport. Whether they cry or not isn't planned. Do YOU plan when you cry or are you just a robot? Read the transcript. The guy will answer questions honestly when he is asked them....Unlike Djokovic if you have seen any of his interviews.....Low life? I don't think so.......Project all you want..you need a therapist to listen to your twisted, thwarted interpretations of a master of the game.

BE QUIET, OK ?

malteser1. I did not know Beckham was a cry baby. But what do I know about Mr. Beckham other than he is HOT!? Where I come from soccer does not get much coverage unless one has extra time for research and rugby or cricket? What's cricket. John McEnroe was never much for crying but whinning? Oh yeah, and potty mouth. No Mr. Nice guy back then. Times have changed. The trend now seems to be toward respect, humility and civility between top contenders. The fired-up vitriol and unpleasant exchanges live on through the fans, yeah baby!

For once, I agree with noleistheworst :D.

torres9, i'm pleased to know that what i write always interest you! thanks! you should know by now that i'm always up for a heated debate! don't let it get to you; my intention is harmless! in case you don't know, you have the same right to voice your thoughts which you do so well in a derogatory mannier most of the time!

by the way, torres9, what's your point about murray getting more fans than nadal. what does that have to do with anything? does that guarantee a winner or something? because if it doesn't guarantee that one player will win over the over, as far as i'm concerned the statistic is irrelevant and insignificant!

Without a Masters on Clay, Federer thinks he is the GOAT, Lord help us if he should ever win RG.

As I said in another thread, his answer is to hire Uncle Toni. Since he believes that everybody loves him, I'm sure Uncle Toni would rather coach Federer than Nadal. All he has to do is ask.

Every article about fed or nadal always gets same comments; same guys fighting each other and always getting personal at some level. Dont you ever get bored from the same thing over and over and over and over again?

He never said he thinks he is GOAT and he did win masters titles on clay

If you recall after beating Rafa in Wimbedon 2007, Roger very perceptively said.
" Let me try to win as much as I can, before Rafa takes all my trophies away". I think he was one of the few people who knew in 2007 how good Rafa could be.
That said. Give Roger a break folks! Come'on. Roger lost to Rafa by choking in the 5th set. Federer thought he would win on the faster surface and was already thinking ahead of his 14th major. Ultimately, the disappointment proved too much. Along with the realization, that he might never be able to beat Rafa again easily. So he cried. That's pretty much it. It's just one of those things you cannot control. I just felt really sorry for Federer at that moment. And so did Nadal it seems.

I agree with Livingdoll though - it was shameful for the organizers in AO 2009. The whole presentation seemed to have been prepared for Roger's 14th. Even the person who was anchoring seemed at loss for words. This is really bad - it borders on favoritism. I think the Wimbledon organizers did a much better job in 2008.

LOL..Roger has 4 masters on clay...geez ..* yawn*..zzzzzzzz

malteser- just because you can TYPE words that YOU think are "strange' enough for other people to read DOESN'T make your level higher than where you are now. I'm not even sure IF you know what you're talking about. Name dropping doesn't help you lift your low life status either.
Next time CHECK your GRAMMAR first because it just shows where you came from (or what educational attainment you have).
You're so paranoid that whatever I say, you'll interpret it as an attack to your "beloved idol".
I don't like Federer, so I'll say anything I want, like it or not... for all I care!

orion, I meant to say a Major on clay.

Livingdoll: You must know I do love Rafa and I believe he owes much of his success to the wonderful coaching and supportive family he is blessed to have surrounding him. If we all could be so fortunate to have an Uncle Tony, right. And you are right-on about Federer needing an Uncle Tony. I have tried to find reasons, not excuses, as to why RF is so emotional at wins, (way before he the displays of tears last summer). How would I really know the reason but Federer did lose Peter Korter, his coach growing up, to a tragic car accident in 2002. I wondered at the time if that would not slow him down and it (the personal loss) definitely crosses my mind when he melts down. The relevance here to FED's career performance record would be less now than it was in 02,03, 04. A major life tragedy did not take him out, thankfully.

Murray didn't cry when he lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

livingdoll you really justify your nick lol

dyingdoll and agf are both obsessed Nadal fan who is really over-excited. Can't blame them as this is Nadal's time. Just wait. Pride comes before the fall.

You already said it before.... you're losing it.... or just sign of old age.... or just lack of ideas.... next time try keeping a list of what you're posting so you'll not repeat things again and again and again!

Yeah, you're not an obsessed Fed fan... tell that to malteser!

No, Murray does not cry when he 'wins' either and that is my point. Federer was pouring out tears when he won and that caused me moments of awkward feelings! He did not need an excuse for winning but I wondered if there was a reason for the meltdown of tears after a win. And actually for the delay of his game early on. Crying after a loss, that's fairly common. Do I like it, not really but I'm used to it. I recall you, Livingdoll mentioning wishing Rafa did not pluck his arse. Neither arse plucking or public meltdowns keep us from being ardent fans. And tho I'm down, down about Roger right now wishing he did have an Uncle Toni ( you meant that sarcastically, I got it the first time and passed it over) I am happy for Rafa and mean it in all sincerity. Rafa and his faymoose ass makes me giggle and I find him delightful as a champion. Roger Federer had to deal with a huge personal loss, a fact of life in 2002 and I am so relieved he adjusted and went on playing.

we can see Rafa hugging Fed on the picture ... why can't Rafa's and Fed's fans do the same?

coz there are disgraced rafa fans like agf who come out saying the same thing over and over and over again. And the sad thing is they are doing exactly what they accused us of doing.

very well said zoey-One thing Roger had to deal with very early was the loss of his mentor Peter Carter.I remember how teary Roger was when he won his first Wimbledon.How he dedicated his victory to Peter.It must've been devastating for him.Since then I've seen tears almost everytime he wins a slam.He also gets emotional about losses because tennis means a lot to him.Dosent mean he isnt pleased for the opponent.
To me it just says one thing-He treats triumphs and disasters,just the same( if you remember Kipling's poem , you know what I'm talking about).He's always been an emotional guy.He just learned to control his emotions as it cost him matches in his early days.
posmatrac-How I wish Fed fans and Rafans got together...but untill we have people starting flamewars over Roger and Rafa, it aint gonna happen,unfortunately.

janhavi wrote:

"How I wish Fed fans and Rafans got together...but untill we have people starting flamewars over Roger and Rafa, it aint gonna happen,unfortunately."

janhavi, not all Rafa fans are argumentative, irrational people when it comes to defending Rafa. The same goes for Fed fans. I love a good RESPECTFUL debate and it has been possible at times due to you and samprillica, just to name a couple. I know there are more rational Fed supporters posting, but I am sorry, I cannot remember all the names posted.

I belong to a Rafa forum where bashing and trash-talk about other players is not allowed. It tries to operate as Rafa would act. Some may call it censorship but there are ways to get your point across in a disagreement without being nasty. But some just enjoy being nasty, as in evidence on this site. But there are Rafa and fed fans out there that can be respectful.

fan4tennis-Absolutely agree, wholeheartedly.We do have Federer and Nadal fans who're very classy and discuss sensibly and rationally.Even here we have some awesome fans,you included.And no,not all Rafans are argumentative.Infact,I did not mean to say only Rafans argue.We Fed fans are equally guilty of that.
Flamewars are usually started by fans of both camps who think their favourite players are the best thing since sliced bread and the player they do not like is a devil's incarnate.And it gets worse when people start picking away at their characters, because they dont deserve it,to say the least.

malteser1: Strange that it's been said Fed fans have turned away....name them....go on....name them......you know them personally?

You'd know them if I named them, would you? Are you really that stupid malteser1? Wait of course you are. No one with half a brain would ask such a dumb question. Like a little child! Just because you thought Federer crying was a moving moment doesn't mean everone else in the world thought the same! The world doesn't revolve around that massive head of yours, you moron!

Heh, janhavi, I don't think remi read your comment! =)

I think it IS possible to look at tennis objectively, and still be a complete fan of just one player. I am a diehard Federer fan, and yet it's actually REALLY easy for me to talk about Nadal as the best player in the world and possible GOAT. And I've seen Nadal fans gush praise over Federer after he's had a particularly good game (the double-bageling of JMDP in Oz comes to mind).

I don't get why we can't all discuss tennis civilly, but alas....

-Arvis

never mind Arvis :)

i have been posting here from time to time and i sometimes just sit back and like to read what you guys have to say but it is sad that there can not be a civil discussion when it comes to rafa and fed. it is only a tennis game people...i mean really ! i am a rafa fan but i don't dislike fed. i admire him because of all that he has attributed to the sport but sometimes some of the people on her show their real true colors of the hate that they have in their heart.
why so serious? it was funny in the beginning (the crying and all) but it is not any more.actually i feel sorry for fed .he is or was dealing with a lot (girlfriend pregnant,rafa on his back) of pressure.
no one should make fun of rafa's habit of adjusting his pants.he has a problem
none of us are perfect.but he is picking his pants all the way to be bank.

"Pride comes before a fall". Great! Rafa has never come across as a proud, vain guy, so I don't think he's gonna fall. This means his fans too won't fall.

But, yes, objective thinking is necessary. I've never been a Fed fan, but I can safely say he is probably the biggest talent I've seen off the ground ( based on performances off the ground). Now talent isn't everything in tennis, and that too is objective thinking.

^^"this means his fans too wont fall" - elaborate.Sorry I dont get oyur drift.

Janhavi: Appreciate the name correction on baby RF's coach: it was a Peter as in, Carter not Korter. should have checked my memory on that. thanks. No room for empathy here for personal tragedy amongst die-hard Rafans. All is well, no happy love festival anytime soon.

I can't get offended. I love Rafa too. No law against it is there?

simple. The pride comes before a fall statement was directed at Rafa fans. Rafa will not fall, and so won't his fans.

I think you made your point already Samprallickeraorice.

Love Zoaster

Sampralicca, are u saying Nadal fans are not a proud bunch? You must be kidding. I was directing the statement to Rafa fans not Rafa. m

If I may have a moment, for the final time this month, of some thirteen months after this article was published. Thanks, Rick. I knew I could be in luck to locate a nice article through the soldier, malteser1, so I did. I found this one.
It is generally good to try to mobilize a far and important goal, beforehand, of worthy knowledge, on discussion about any delinquent/person. I guess each of you would know by now, that it is me, Tafariana etc, a delegate, representing a favourite link icon of myself under the code tanna. I fancy being a Tristan somewhere in the mild old days.
I've charmed in moderate opportunities to share my thoughts of distinct moments, the unpredictable hurls of sportsmen and the courage. I am pleased.
I sat in my lounge room completely attached to the above match between Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. I was in awe of the Spaniard's bravery from defeating Fernando Verdasco two days before - a record breaking match. Roger had faltered, pouring with emotion. I did not so worry about it too much at this point as we know, it's what it's like when you are successful. I'm also like this, only these days I do not know what it's like to feel any more.
As explained in one of my comments under Cheryl's blogs of 2010, 'the countenance he endured during his time as the tennis world's biggest champion' has been inscrutable, magnanimous with every each one of us! The "legend" knows alone.
Ok, that's it from me - for tanna too for some time - so I can have my rest and looking forward.
I understand Cheryl Murray has a qualification in Psychology. That can help alot these days - communication-wise, with mental development fortifications etc as our planet has been undergoing some tough cataclysmic reactions about us. Let's hope for a healthier end to our journey 2010.

heyy where is TORRES9???????? have u ppl noticed that ever since Gomuzzza's ban from this site took place, torres is nowhere to be seen !!! soo.....????? :S :S

vamosrafa: in the last 1-2 weeks, that's EXACTLY what i've been thinking (since gomuzza's IP ban)!! i'd wondered if other people noticed :)

lol...great minds think alike :P