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  • Wimbledon draw analysis: Federer, Nadal in same quarter

    2013-06-23 16:17:15

    Last year the story was Novak Djokovic landing in Roger Federer’s half of the draw for a 16th time in the last 20 Grand Slams. Not so much this time around.

     

    The story of the 2013 Wimbledon bracket is an absolutely loaded bottom half, which Djokovic obviously avoided as the No. 1 seed. Getting the short end of the stick were Federer, Andy Murray, Rafael Nadal, and two-time semifinalist Jo-Wilfried Tsonga. Federer and Nadal could collide as early as the quarterfinals in what would be a rematch of the 2006, 2007, and 2008 Wimbledon finals. Murray, a runner-up for the first time in 2012, finds himself in the same section as Tsonga.

     

    Djokovic's quarter

     

    Overall, Djokovic has an extremely favorable draw being on the side away from Federer, Murray, Nadal, and Tsonga. That being said, his path to the semis may not be entirely straightforward. An in-form Tommy Haas looms large as a potential fourth-round opponent and Tomas Berdych is Djokovic’s likely quarterfinal adversary. Haas beat Djokovic earlier this season in Miami, while Berdych’s two wins over the Serb came at Wimbledon in 2010 and at the Rome Masters earlier this year.

     

    Haas and Berdych should not have too much trouble playing their ways into those potential showdowns. The 35-year-old German, a recent semifinalist in Halle before succumbing to Federer, opens with Dmitry Tursunov and could face Gilles Simon in the third round. As for Berdych, the sixth-ranked Czech is on a collision course with personal pigeon Kevin Anderson for the third round. One interesting first-round matchup to watch in this section is Simon vs. Feliciano Lopez. They just faced each other in Saturday’s Eastbourne title match, which Lopez won 7-6(2), 6-7(5), 6-0.

     

    Best first-round matchup — (21) Sam Querrey vs. Bernard Tomic

     

    Ever since the Australian Open, 2013 had been a nightmare for Tomic both on and off the court until last week in Eastbourne. The 20-year-old advanced two rounds before bowing out to Simon in two competitive sets. Tomic generally performs well on grass and he made it to the Wimbledon quarterfinals as a qualifier in 2011. Querrey reached the fourth round in 2010 and the third round last season before losing to Marin Cilic in a memorable 7-6(6), 6-4, 6-7(2), 6-7(3), 17-15 affair. The 6’6’’ American is looking to bounce back from a third-round Queen’s Club loss to Lleyton Hewitt.

     

    Best potential second-round matchup – (7) Tomas Berdych vs. Daniel Brands
    Best potential third-round matchup – (13) Tommy Haas vs. (19) Gilles Simon

     

    Possible surprises — Ryan Harrison’s well-documented stretch of facing top players in the first two rounds of Grand Slams won’t be extended at Wimbledon. He has a good chance of making it to the last 32 of a major for the first time in his career…at which point he would face a familiar foe in the form of Djokovic. Don’t be shocked if Tomic builds on his Eastbourne showing with another deep run at the All-England Club. If he can get past Querrey, his two highest-seeded potential opponents are Berdych and Richard Gasquet. Both would be tough but they are in no way unbeatable.

    Ferrer's quarter

     

    The last two Grand Slam draws are like something made out of a dream for David Ferrer. With Djokovic and Nadal in the other half of the bracket at Roland Garros, Berdych was Ferrer’s nearest top eight seed and Federer was his projected semifinal opponent. The Spaniard ended up facing neither en route to his first major title match (lost to Nadal). At Wimbledon, the 31-year-old Spaniard avoided Federer, Nadal, and Murray and he is in the weakest quarter along with Juan Martin Del Potro. A remarkable number of seeds in this section are either slumping, not at their best on grass, or both.

     

    Talk about surprise semifinalist potential…. Contenders like Philipp Kohlschreiber, Milos Raonic, Andreas Seppi, and Grigor Dimitrov have to be licking their chops with Ferrer and Del Potro as their two highest seeds. Ferrer is in fine form and he was a Wimbledon quarterfinalist in 2012, but that was the only time he had ever made it past the fourth round. Del Potro has been dealing with both injury and illness and he has won a grand total of four matches since Indian Wells. The time may be now for a breakout performance from one of the aforementioned quartet of players ranked outside the Top 15 in the world.

     

    Best first-round matchup — (16) Philipp Kohlschreiber vs. Ivan Dodig

     

    Kohlschreiber is no stranger to Grand Slam success. He capitalized on Nadal’s 2012 loss to Lukas Rosol and emerged from that section of the draw into the quarterfinals. The German has reached at least the fourth round in three of the last four majors and four of the last six. Dodig, meanwhile, is a worthy opponent. The 54th-ranked Croat is coming off a semifinal appearance at Queen’s Club, where he upset Raonic in the second round. Based on current form and the way their games translate to grass courts, this has high-quality showdown written all over it.

     

    Best potential second-round matchup – (23) Andreas Seppi vs. Jarkko Nieminen
    Best potential third-round matchup – (8) Juan Martin Del Potro vs. (29) Grigor Dimitrov

     

    Possible surprises — The question is not if there will be a surprise semifinalist at Wimbledon. Ferrer has never made it to the final four and Del Potro has never even reached the quarters. The question is who will become that surprise. A third-rounder between Kohlschreiber and Roanic would not only be big in and of itself, but the stakes would be raised with a realistic shot at a semifinal awaiting the winner. Dimitrov has not exactly been on fire since upsetting Djokovic in Madrid, but there is no reason to think that he can’t compete with Del Potro on grass in the third round. Also don’t forget about Seppi, who is deceptively dangerous on the green stuff and whose nearest seed is an unimposing Kei Nishikori.


    Federer's quarter

     

    It sure isn’t good for Federer and Nadal…but it’s not necessarily terrible, either. The going gets tough with a likely quarterfinal clash against each other followed by a likely semifinal date with either Murray or Tsonga in store for the winner. Prior to the last eight, though, week one may not present much of a problem for either one of the former Wimbledon champions. Federer’s first three matches should be a breeze (no, he is not going to get Rosoled like Nadal did last year) and Jerzy Janowicz has shown no signs of being ready to pull off a win as monumental as beating Federer at Wimbledon. Nadal can sleepwalk into a fourth-round matchup with Hewitt, Stanislas Wawrinka, John Isner.

     

    Isner and Evgeny Donskoy at least have more than the two days between meetings that Lopez and Simon will enjoy, but they are set to play each other for the second time in as many weeks. Donskoy upset Isner in ‘s-Hertogenbosch and will attempt to do it again on Monday. Wawrinka has to face Hewitt, the 2002 Wimbledon champion, in what is the best matchup on paper in the entire first round. So it’s safe to say a possible Wawrinka-Isner collision in the last 32 is far from a sure thing.

     

    Best first-round matchup — (11) Stanislas Wawrinka vs. Lleyton Hewitt

    Wawrinka’s 2013 campaign has been outstanding, but his Grand Slam draws have not been overly kind. He was in Djokovic’s eighth in Melbourne, he was in Nadal’s quarter in Paris, and now he has one of the most dangerous unseeded contenders in the Wimbledon first round. Hewitt has been to at least the quarterfinals at the All-England Club on five previous occasions and he recently advanced to the Queen’s Club semis after taking out three seeded opponents. Grass is advantageous to the 32-year-old Aussie in this matchup, although Wawrinka did well to reach the ‘s-Hertogenbosch final last week. Count on inspiring tennis for the duration of what could be a marathon match.

     

    Best potential second-round matchup – Lukas Rosol vs. Jurgen Melzer
    Best potential third-round matchup – (15) Nicolas Almagro vs. (24) Jerzy Janowicz

     

    Possible surprises — In all probability, the proceedings in this section of the bracket are not going to end well for anyone except Federer or Nadal. The world No. 5 may be playing better tennis at the moment, but if a surprise comes it won’t be at the expense at the seven-time Wimbledon winner. Federer’s slam quarterfinal streak may come to end at some point, but it won’t be at the All-England Club. Nadal has every reason to reach the quarters, too, but it’s not an absolute lock. While Isner is generally a huge underachiever on grass, you never know when he will suddenly serve his way to huge win. If Wawrinka gets past Hewitt and eventually faces Isner, the winner of that showdown will not go down lightly against Nadal.

    Murray's quarter

     

    Don’t be fooled by the fact that Murray landed in the second toughest quarter of the draw. The Scot’s path is a favorable one until at least the quarterfinals. His nearest seed is Tommy Robredo, who is in resurgent form but is no real threat on grass. Murray’s nearest 13-16 seed and potential fourth-round adversary is a slumping Janko Tipsarevic. More likely opponents for the world No. 2 are ‘s-Hertogenbosch champion Nicolas Mahut and Halle runner-up Mikhail Youzhny.

     

    The carnage comes on the other side of the section and the possible victim is Tsonga. Up first for the Frenchman is David Goffin followed by a likely battle against Ernests Gulbis, arguably the most talented unseeded floater in the field. If Tsonga manages to play his way into the last 32, he will await either Julien Benneteau, Fernando Verdasco, or ‘s-Hertogenbosch semifinalist Xavier Malisse. Cilic, a Queen’s Club finalist, is the likeliest fourth-round opponent. Should Tsonga survive all of those roadblocks plus Murray in the quarters, his reward would be Federer or Nadal.... Brutal.

     

    Best first-round matchup — Fernando Verdasco vs. Xavier Malisse

     

    These two veterans faced each other in the Wimbledon third round last season, with Malisse emerging from an entertaining contest on the winning end of a 1-6, 7-6(5), 6-1, 4-6, 6-3 scoreline. The 32-year-old Belgian is a former Wimbledon semifinalist (2002), he has advanced to the last 16 in each of the past two installments of the Championships, and he has not lost prior to the third round since 2009. Verdasco is not in great form nor is he quite as accomplished at the All-England Club, but he is no slouch on grass. The Spaniard reached the Wimbledon fourth round in 2006, 2008, and 2009. This one should have just about everything—bouts of stellar play interspersed with some tomfoolery from both headcases, and it would be a disappointment if it did not result in another five-setter.

     

    Best potential second-round matchup – (6) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga vs. Ernests Gulbis
    Best potential third-round matchup – (14) Janko Tipsarevic vs. (20) Mikhail Youzhny

     

    Possible surprises — Gulbis’ draw is not a great one, but none of the seeds in his eighth of the bracket is anywhere close to unbeatable. Although the Latvian has generally been a massive failure at majors since reaching the Roland Garros quarterfinals in 2008, he upset Berdych in last year’s first round and he won a match at the French Open last month before losing to Gael Monfils in an exciting four-setter. Gulbis is 0-3 lifetime against Tsonga, but each of their last two encounters was a three-set thriller (including one that featured three tiebreakers, zero breaks of serve, and only one break point). The Tsonga-Gulbis winner may be favored to reach the quarters…even if it’s Gulbis.

     

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RickyDimon , 6/23/13 4:23 PM


Quit teasing, Ricky, who you picking'?

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 4:32 PM


.......and Rosol as an adjective is so last year. Just saying.................

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 4:37 PM


The days of Nole and Fed being drawn "randomly" into the same half on a consistent basis ended when Nole started to beat Fed at the slams especially on h/c.

#NowhereToHide

Conspirator , 6/23/13 4:53 PM


RITB - full tournament picks coming this afternoon!

RickyDimon , 6/23/13 4:59 PM


RITB - Rosoled is a verb, not an adjective!

RickyDimon , 6/23/13 5:03 PM


Thanks for the grammar lesson Ricky, I look forward to you picking Novak ..........

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 5:08 PM


Actually RIcky you're wrong (as usual). Rosolled isn't actually even a word.

#YoureWelcome
#YoullLearn

Conspirator , 6/23/13 5:11 PM


The term 'Rosoled' was coined after last year's Wimbledon and when there's -ed at the end it's a verb in the past tense. That should be common knowledge for anybody who made it past elementary school. No surprise some here don't know what an adjective is really is it?

chr18 , 6/23/13 5:57 PM


Well done, chr20-10 *claps*

Nice to know you learned something at kindergarten, some of us were busy imbibing tennis knowledge, something you clearly lack!

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 6:02 PM


chr20, some here don't have English as their first language. When you can speak their language to perfection then you can criticize them.

nadline , 6/23/13 6:08 PM


Impressive! You were imbibing tennis knowledge in kindergarten lol. Re: rafeali1's comment what is your first language ritb? Just curious. I will apologize if it's not English btw.

chr18 , 6/23/13 6:16 PM


^^^Cut him some slack, @nadline. He most likely has never ventured beyond rural Kentucky and thinks the whole world speaks Red Neck American English?

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 6:19 PM


Don't worry, chr20-10, you don't owe me an apology, insult away, please!

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 6:21 PM


I've been as far north as Canada and as far east as Hong Kong fyi.

chr18 , 6/23/13 6:33 PM


Well done chr20-10, my apologies for assuming you didn't even have a passport! Do you speak any other languages apart from English?

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 6:38 PM


Vamos Rafa!......Uswag Iloilo! :-)

phoenix , 6/23/13 6:51 PM


Hope springs eternal for Raonic even though he continues to disappoint. In his last four tournaments he made the 2nd round in Madrid, 1st round in Rome, 3rd round at RG and 1st round in Halle; yet he is the perennial threat.

nadline , 6/23/13 7:05 PM


6:33 PM
Ah, all English speaking destinations.

How many languages do you speak fluently?
And when I say fluently I mean able to conduct a conversation in depth and communicate in writing at an intellectual level.

Most of your efforts here do not do justice to your post-graduate level of education. Time you cut down on the childish playground insults.

ed251137 , 6/23/13 7:11 PM


Didn't you know? chr20 speaks Homophobia and Racism fluently!!!

Conspirator , 6/23/13 7:27 PM


I wonder if ed knows they speak French in Montreal. I travel with an interpreter when necessary. No need to waste my time and energy perfecting numerous languages. So no my Spanish and French are not what you would call fluent. There is no need for it.

chr18 , 6/23/13 8:07 PM


See according to the back woods homophobe, only English matters because that is all he knows.

#Deliverance

Conspirator , 6/23/13 8:11 PM


ESPN experts picks:

https://twitter.com/TylerGreenDC/status/348865242123616257/p hoto/1

6 pick Novak, 3 pick Muzza, 2 pick Rafa. None pick Fed, not even as a sleeper.

rafaisthebest , 6/23/13 8:32 PM


"not even as a sleeper"

LOL

RickyDimon , 6/23/13 9:08 PM


PICKS - http://tiny.cc/2rb5yw

RickyDimon , 6/23/13 9:15 PM


Ricky:
"The world No. 5 may be playing better tennis at the moment, but if a surprise comes it won?t be at the expense at the seven-time Wimbledon winner."

Ricky then picks Djoker over Nadal in the final?????????????

nadline , 6/23/13 10:04 PM


Patrick picked Rafa. I guess he's fed up of being wrong.

They've put a blonde girl as Jamie Hampton. They don't even know what one of their own players looks like. So why should I pay any attention to their picks?

nadline , 6/23/13 10:11 PM


Nole would have a much better chance to beat Rafa than Fed at Wimby. It would certainly be a closer match.

Conspirator , 6/23/13 10:15 PM


I'm not feeling all that sorry for Fed. he's got an easy road to the quarters and I think he will take Rafa in the quarters. I also like Gulbis to go pretty far, as you predicted.

scoot , 6/24/13 1:07 AM




The term 'Rosoled' was coined after last year's Wimbledon and when there's -ed at the end it's a verb in the past tense. That should be common knowledge for anybody who made it past elementary school. No surprise some here don't know what an adjective is really is it?

chr18 , 6/23/13 5:57 PM

Before you give grammar lessons you must take some yourself.

I give you the word "colored" . Tell me chris, is it a verb or an adjective or both?

English isn't my first language in the sense it wasn't the language my great grandparents spoke. I also did not study in one country so I am not a language expert. I focused more on logic and math. But hey, I can spot illogical statements even if they are about grammar.

holdserve , 6/24/13 2:19 AM


holdserve, chr20 hasn't replied because now you've just confused him.

He thinks it's a noun.

Conspirator , 6/24/13 3:23 AM




holdserve, chr20 hasn't replied because now you've just confused him.

He thinks it's a noun.

Conspirator , 6/24/13 3:23 AM

Haha!!!

holdserve , 6/24/13 3:34 AM


I didn't mean every word that ends in -ed has to be a verb. There are exceptions. What I meant was when a verb ends in -ed it's in the past tense. If you say "I colored a picture" it's a verb, if you use it to describe a race of people i.e. colored people it's an adjective and if you say "Those coloreds are smarter than Conspirator" then sure it's a noun too.

chr18 , 6/24/13 4:30 AM


@ 3:23 AM

#GSM
#NID

ed251137 , 6/24/13 5:28 AM


chris, rosoled could be an adjective too. Rosoled Nadal seeks revenge. Or a noun like this: The Rosoleds are few.
The trouble is you did not know it till I showed up your claim to being a grammar expert!!!!

holdserve , 6/24/13 6:18 AM


Thank you@holdserve for adding to chr20's knowledge of English grammar. Now, chr20, be a good boy and say thank you @holdserve. Next time chr20, please try and concentrate on tennis instead of giving us non-English speakers English grammar lessons. It's a sad colonial mentality which only exposes a misplaced racist attitude.

rafaisthebest , 6/24/13 7:08 AM


Take a break from the scientific debate and watch Rafa telling a funny story about how he pretended to be a female admirer of Andy Murray.
'Rafael Nadal pranking Andy Murray with flirty text messages (The Man Behind The Racquet)'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dseut38-YkY


:)

Augustina08 , 6/24/13 7:40 AM


Rafa featured a lot and it was conspicuous that Nole hardly showed up. It's obvious that Andy and Rafa are genuine friends.

nadline , 6/24/13 7:46 AM


...maybe the reason why they also have common fans (aside from Twingey who's a certified Rafa hater of course).

phoenix , 6/24/13 8:50 AM


phoenix, I don't know that Rafa and Murray have common fans. deuce is a Murray/Djoker fan for a start.

nadline , 6/24/13 9:04 AM


I guess the site maintainance team are on strike. Here we are, first day of Wimby, and the Fake Poll still features Roland Garros.

ATP rankings have not been updated since April.

The calendar of events stops at June 17th.

No draw or updates of current tournament.

etc. etc.

ed251137 , 6/24/13 9:19 AM


Maybe there is no site maintenance team!

Nativenewyorker , 6/24/13 9:22 AM


"Federer?s first three matches should be a breeze (no, he is not going to get Rosoled like Nadal did last year) and Jerzy Janowicz has shown no signs of being ready to pull off a win as monumental as beating Federer at Wimbledon. "

Clearly if anybody read the article, Ricky used it as a verb here hence this post by Ricky:

"RITB - Rosoled is a verb"

Look I don't see what holdserve or ed or Conspirator are trying to proove here. Here is an equation for holdserve since she loves math :

2(holdserve's IQ + Conspirator's IQ + ed's IQ) < my IQ

Give up ladies. :)

chr18 , 6/24/13 1:24 PM


Hey chr20, Wimbledon's started, enough with the grammar crap! Sit back and watch your face get schooled........

rafaisthebest , 6/24/13 2:21 PM


#IdiotQuotient

Conspirator , 6/24/13 2:29 PM


Fed is playing on centercourt and his tard is talking about verbs...how funny can you get. :-)

phoenix , 6/24/13 2:36 PM


2:21 PM

My comment should read , "your fav get schooled", not face..........

rafaisthebest , 6/24/13 2:37 PM


chr20
pray tell where from thy need to repreatedly tell us of your iq and your grad degrees?
pray tell where from thy difficulty remembering who here is of the gentler gender and who of the other?
pray tell where from thy persistance in posting triffles where there is master tennis on display by thy favorite?

chlorostoma , 6/24/13 3:24 PM


^where should read when
me no good grammarish
one day for true I learn speak gooder

chlorostoma , 6/24/13 3:26 PM


Crap20's repeated insistence about its phd and IQ continues to confirm its insecurity and low self esteem. But then it has nothing to feel proud of so I guess that's to be expected. Poor little redneck homophobe.

jean , 6/24/13 4:21 PM


Uncle tony fucks the rafa mam in the ass . They just mustnot let Rafa know about it otherwise he loses passion.
seventeen, 6/23/13 6:55 PM

phoenix , 6/24/13 10:58 PM


My my some of the language here!
Well you should be all better behaved now or Daddy will give you a good spanking
Naughty children.
:-)

Twinge , 6/24/13 11:16 PM


Alright Nadal's out door wide open for Gulbis now

ts38 , 6/24/13 11:30 PM


chris your logic is absolutely zero. Since when did an equation become an inequality? Your math is as bad as your grammar and as poor as your IQ. The PhD story becomes more unbelievable every time you expose your poor grasp of elementary school stuff.

holdserve , 6/25/13 6:11 AM


I meant to write : 2(holdserve's IQ + Conspirator's IQ + ed's IQ) = my IQ - 20
of course but was in a rush to watch Fed win and Nadal lose lol.

chr18 , 6/25/13 12:30 PM


Year jean you fucking retard .
seventeen, 6/24/13 7:17 PM

Nice language! Where are the fedfarts - you know, the "ovics" who are quick as lightning to pick on other people's language but no where to be seen when their own fellow animals stoop to gutter language. Reflects on their upbringing. Were your parents gutter scum trash like you too sienna-seventeen? So much anger. Be careful or you might end up in the looney bin if you're not there already lol.

Crap20-10, when can be have a Darcis 'poem'? Or do we wait for next year's Wimb for that? Just checking.

jean , 6/25/13 2:35 PM


It is sad that Cheryl and Ricky abandoned this site.

sabs , 6/25/13 2:37 PM


Uncle tony fucks the rafa mam in the ass . They just mustnot let Rafa know about it otherwise he loses passion.

seventeen, 6/23/13 6:55 PM

phoenix , 6/25/13 3:09 PM


And on the "Federer, Nadal kick off Wimbledon thread", don't forget:

Imouttahere lucky basterd is nadal.
Lousy spaniards . I fucking detest them and their fake play. Cheaters and dopers with nadal the huber cheater .

seventeen, 6/24/13 4:40 PM

jean , 6/25/13 3:24 PM


MOONSHITZ

Zaare , 6/25/13 6:02 PM


this forum became like a wild west, c'mon people get back to your senses.



yep, rosoled is a verb, very much so as darcisified is.

rfzr , 6/25/13 6:07 PM


djokoshitz haz lost 2 more shitty opponents in hiz career than The FED and Nadull put together.

Zaare , 6/25/13 6:10 PM


chr18
, 6/25/13 12:30 PM

here's a replay:
chr20
pray tell where from thy need to repreatedly tell us of your iq and your grad degrees?
pray tell where from thy difficulty remembering who here is of the gentler gender and who of the other?
pray tell where from thy persistance in posting triffles where there is master tennis on display by thy favorite?

chlorostoma , 6/27/13 4:08 PM


'pray tell where from thy persistance in posting triffles where there is master tennis on display by thy favorite?..'

Is THIS what passes as wit from a Nadal fan?
Depressing that its probably the case.
:-)

Twinge , 6/29/13 12:26 AM


Trying to be a poet? Fail (Ask redneck for assistance)
Pretending to be an Andy fan? Fail (Andy deserves better fans like Deuce & Alex)
Trying to comment on India's GDP? Fail (nothing but racist, redneck spew comes out)

jean , 6/29/13 3:51 AM


jean, the very first time I read post of that Twinge regarding Clay. I concluded that he is a retarded and a pussy.

Hey racist idiot Twinge, look at the Rafans, have you seen any of us complaining the type of court? You are a pussy to call clay boring, why because your man sucks at clay?

When tennis moves to cement, you hear no complain from vibrant Rafans as everybody is joining every conversation we have here at TT. When it moves to Grass, still the Rafans are intense to talk about tennis ... but when it moves to clay ... what do you do pussy Twinge? you and the lunatic fedfarts whining the same thing.

Raindrops , 6/29/13 12:05 PM


What's come over Verdasco? He's in the process of spanking Gulbis!!!!
Didnt see that one coming.

ed251137 , 6/29/13 1:52 PM


^^If you noticed, he's been practicing a lot with Rafa lately. He must have drained Rafa's powers, LOL.

rafaisthebest , 6/29/13 1:57 PM


^^raindrops if you want to throw down with me baby
FFS please learn English!
And then I'll take further notice of you..
Maybe...
:-)

Twinge , 6/29/13 5:19 PM


Come back Bernard all is forgiven!
The best match of the tournament so far
So much variety, creativity and touch.
Gasquet and Tomic were made for the grass..
Pity there isn't much of it on the tour.....

Twinge , 6/29/13 5:54 PM


Wait a minute the TOMIC match is the second best so far
COME ON LAURA BABY!

Twinge , 6/29/13 5:57 PM


If Novak makes to the Delpo match, I'm calling that the next big upset.

Looks like the Argentine is in fine form again and poised to make some noise at Wimby. I had Andy winning this, but after watching Delpo play the first few matches, he's a very serious threat.

aegis , 6/29/13 9:02 PM


Did you not see Nole 2.0 today?

Darrin Cabilll said it might have been the best three sets of tennis played on clay.

Delpo vs Nole would be a fun match but Delpo hasn't had much success against him. I'd like to see it but Delpo is inconsistent. I picked him to win a major this year but not as confident now.

#EvolutionBaby

Conspirator , 6/29/13 9:34 PM


Cahill will surely know they played on grass as he is not a Nadaltard.

chr18 , 6/29/13 9:42 PM


'Delpo vs Nole would be a fun match but Delpo hasn't had much success against him..'

Trauma induced nadalesque perspective.
Delpo beat him him last year at the Olympics in straights on this surface.

Twinge , 6/29/13 9:59 PM


Careful twinge. You're beginning to sound like crap20 the homophobe. ;)

Sure Delpo won a best of three match on grass. I didn't say no success.

Please read more carefully.

Delpo is 3-8 h2h overall and 0-3 in majors. That's not much luck

I was going to call you a Muzztard but I'm beginning to think you are more of a Nadaltard yourself, even if it is of a different sort like crap20.

#TwoKindsOfTennisFans
#NadlineIsRight

Conspirator , 6/29/13 10:16 PM


And you are morphing into Nagline!
This term 'muzztard' is reaching also...
One of the benefits of being a Muzz fan is we have weathered great disappointment.
We are hardened & well prepared and able to see things more objectively.
It might be nice if I could jump on a bandwagon like the usual starry eyed Tards here but my sentiments are always cooled by Andy's failures
But hey, it makes the successes more enjoyable!
Doesn't it?
I'd hate to feel the deathly fatigue Fedal Tards must be feeling........
Round about...now?

Twinge , 6/29/13 10:25 PM


I'll say it again, although its pointless really
I don't watch Rafa play and I don't care about him
It's all in relation to Andy and general tennis discussion that's all
There's nothing I can do if you and Nadline and the Tards won't accept that.
He's not interesting to me because he isn't very interesting!
I don't even think he'll be around much longer..
But believe what you want if it makes you feel better..

Twinge , 6/29/13 10:40 PM


Wow, straight setted by Verdasco. You think you're used to disappointment?

ts38 , 6/29/13 11:44 PM


I don't watch Rafa play and I don't care about him
Twinge, 6/29/13 10:40 PM

Your own words say otherwise. Seemed you were quite invested in Nole beating Rafa at the French ( or at the very least trying to get a rise out of certain Rafans) as you brought it up multiple times.

Not sure what that has to do with Andy when he wasn't even in the tournament.

I can't help it when nadline is right btw. I don't enjoy admitting it but you're not helping lol.

Besides, I'm pulling for the Muzza so we should be on the same side, no?

Ah well...

#PeaceBrutha

Conspirator , 6/30/13 12:08 AM


@twinkgy...that's all you can come up criticizing my English? broken or not broken English, I called you a retarded and it was substatiated as you diminish court where your man plays poor. Look at Rafans, fair and square no matter what the surface is, we always around wishing Rafa to thrives on the condition and type of surface unlike you and fedfarts...you are all pussies whining about particular surface. You can speak English no doubt but aside from that you are a RETARDED with your reasoning. You are not a healthy tennis fan and for that, pray hard Andy will not tumble.

Raindrops , 6/30/13 8:36 AM


Raindrops, 6/29/13 12:05 PM

Of course t-whinge is a racist turd face just its fellow redneck scum aka fedtard. Did you see it's more recent posts re. India? These specimens are beyond pathetic.

jean , 6/30/13 12:47 PM


^^^^^Lol two intellectual titans!

Twinge , 6/30/13 1:59 PM


^^^ that's all you can say with my broken English? It is expressed in most simplest way and you cannot argue AGAINST IT (about the clay as part of tennis) because it makes you more looked a filth ASSHOLE. Stupid! You see, I can use your own language to bullshit you idiot Twink while you cannot use my own language to ridicule me. You will learn more ASSHOLE.

Raindrops , 6/30/13 2:26 PM


I'm sorry I cannot take you seriously enough to argue with you.
It's a pointless exercise with one such as yourself
You have my sympathies, but now no longer my attention
:-)

Twinge , 6/30/13 2:50 PM


'Your own words say otherwise. Seemed you were quite invested in Nole beating Rafa at the French ( or at the very least trying to get a rise out of certain Rafans) as you brought it up multiple times. ..'

I was then because I wanted change.
Now I'm meh about it.
It's over also so that is that.
There aren't 2 types of fans either.
The other players are threats too each others & are perceived accordingly.
Nadal was a threat to Muzz in particular but I doubt this will be the case going on.
At least at the level it was before.
A rivalry out of the clay will now develop, for as long as Nadal is around.
I'm actually very curious about what will happen when they meet on HC in the coming weeks.
Should be interesting as its been nearly 2 years...
Also if Muzz were to do the unthinkable and win Wimbles!
I will probably cease caring about any of this...

Twinge , 6/30/13 3:14 PM


So because of your frustration that Murray can't hold a candle to Rafa's records, you turn on Rafa with hatred.

It's clear now why there are only two types of fans. Rafans and Rafa haters.

tethys , 6/30/13 4:17 PM


Er no that wasn't what I was saying, obviously you have comprehension issues.
And I still dislike...oh I won't say it!
And what's the point of 'hating' a tennis player?
:)

Twinge , 6/30/13 5:17 PM


Oh, please you guys, Tethys and the rest who support the Rafa fan/RAfa hater world division, can you stop be so childish?! I am even crazier for replying to this nonsense. If I am not a die hard Rafa fan, does it make me a hater of a said player? If Rafa is to me equal to Gasquet, Berdych ... does that make me a hater of Gasquet and Berdych!?

I am not saying that there are no people who can't stand certain players, but I am sure they are a big minority. Real tennis fans appreciate ALL the players, love certain aspects of ALL of them... I love Rafa's killer instinct and determination that I see in his eyes when he is on court, but I am a Nole fan.

Please, don't put all the tennis fans in only two groups. There's so much more to tennis fandom.

danica , 7/1/13 12:00 AM


Haha Danica I wouldn't apply that over simplified categorization to you or most tennis fans in general.

It is a generalization and not a rule.

I thought nadline was a bit nuts for saying this quite some time ago but after spending some time on TT and reading other tennis forums I've come to the realization that it has some validity amongst a special subset of tennis fans specifically those passionate enough to regularly post their tennis thoughts on the Internet.

I would guess that as much as 80-90% of this subset fall into one of those categories. It really isn't that much of a stretch.

#WhoKnew

Conspirator , 7/1/13 1:42 AM


^^oh, it's not that hard to figure out really. Truth of the matter is it's all about Rafa really, even amongst the players themselves. All of them, yes all, take particular and specific pleasure in beating Rafa.

rafaisthebest , 7/1/13 7:00 AM


danica, just because it doesn't apply to you doesn't make the concept wrong. It's everywhere for all to see. On the whole those who support players other than Rafa are quite at ease to be civil to anyone but Rafa. It appears that Rafa's achievements and charisma are too much for them to bear.

If the tables were turned and Federer was the King of Clay [IF], everyone would be extolling the virtues of clay and diminishing grass and h/c. Djoker and Andy cannot hold a candle to the many records Rafa holds, yet there are many, Fedfans especially, who are at pains to pitch Djoker against Rafa, some even try it with Murray.

Rafa is an international icon, he is followed by the paps more than any other tennis player past and present. Some top players put themselves out there to be seen still the paparazzi ignore them. Rafa's appeal is universal. Anyone can see from the Twitter Stats Iconography that Rafa's followers leave the others in the shade:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/13f90081d708a8a3


Y es, Roger is the highest earner by far, but he was there first to corner the market also helped along by aggressive marketing.


#Charisma

nadline , 7/1/13 9:42 AM


@danica, If you see @tethys' post as childish, how would you characterize the posts of Fedkovic23/JamesDjokovicfan/novakisthebest then? I am sure you are aware these are monikers for one and the same person, no?

rafaisthebest , 7/1/13 4:51 PM


You can fulminate all you want Rafans, but FEDAL is going BYE BYE!
That much I'm sure about....
It's only a matter of `who first`
:)

Twinge , 7/1/13 5:02 PM


And its not just about Rafa, just because everything is about Rafa to you guys, Fed is very in the mix and the whole tired blah blah too.
if not more so.

Twinge , 7/1/13 5:12 PM


^^^2 posts above, I rest my case.........

#Rafa

rafaisthebest , 7/1/13 5:24 PM


^^I do appreciate that this is a pointless thing to indicate here in nadaltardsville however
:)

Twinge , 7/1/13 5:28 PM


^^please, just accept, Rafa is the boss.

rafaisthebest , 7/1/13 5:31 PM


Why do you NEED me to accept that lol!
You should accept you'll have to come up with a new moniker soon.
Although it should have been done already.

Twinge , 7/1/13 5:38 PM


^^you are right, should have changed it to @rafaisthebestest long ago! Will do so just before the US Open in anticipation of his win there.........

rafaisthebest , 7/1/13 6:13 PM


lol honey if the `Raf` wins the USO
I'll flippin call myself rafaisthebestbestbest!
Okay?

Twinge , 7/1/13 6:17 PM


^^^so you are ready to:

1. Run down the busiest broadway wearing nothing but a bright orange man-kini;
2. Change your moniker to @rafaisthebestestbest.

Can't wait.........

rafaisthebest , 7/1/13 6:24 PM


Murray's fake medical card is now on display because he is not having it all his own way.

tethys , 7/1/13 6:27 PM


1.pink actually,
more humiliating
2. Yes!
Bring some popcorn & a camera!

And i don't `hate` Rafa or Roger, in fact i find both very charming (yes even fed)
But..the march of time!

Twinge , 7/1/13 6:29 PM


Oh yes WHAT a way to finish the set!
Oh! I hear a buzzing.....

'Murray's fake medical card is now on display because he is not having it all his own way...@

Does a nadaltard really, really want to go there?
lol

Twinge , 7/1/13 6:37 PM


Fake medical card back in his bag now that he's won the 2nd set. Pathetic.

tethys , 7/1/13 6:40 PM


Yes because Rafa never took an MTO unless it was actually needed.
Where did you dig this one up from TT'ers!?

Twinge , 7/1/13 6:45 PM


Twingey, try and post without mentioning Rafa's name, for once.....

rafaisthebest , 7/1/13 7:01 PM


The march of time?!?!? Twingey, dear boy, get off the crack pipe.

Rafa has more points than any other player including Mighty Muzz and to you he is pretty much over. You hold Rafa to a higher standard than even his most critical fans.

Even your posts about Muzza usually mention Rafa somehow.

#TwoKinds

Conspirator , 7/1/13 7:04 PM


Look its this simple
This site is swarming with....r**fans
Therefore he is the currency
On tennis-x no doubt it would be `fed`
And lo and behold tethys is a R**an
What you want is me not to mention things you don't want to hear
;0)

Twinge , 7/1/13 7:04 PM


Stick a fork in it
This russian turkey is done
Now
LETS TALK ABOUT RAFA
;-)

Twinge , 7/1/13 7:08 PM


Points this year I meant.

No, twinge, don't stop. A bit biased for the truth though but quite telling just the same especially while your man is on court as we speak.

Muzz playing very well. ;)

#Rafaphobia

Conspirator , 7/1/13 7:09 PM


No, on tennis-x Novak is the currency now, because he is #1!

#Fairweatherfans

rafaisthebest , 7/1/13 7:13 PM


in your opinion,
I'm going to turn down the aggression somewhat as I'm getting a bit much, even for me.
Muzz was playing very well....eventually

Twinge , 7/1/13 7:15 PM


Is Wimbledull still going on..................I'm looking for the spark, there isn't any. Oh well!

nadline , 7/1/13 8:06 PM


No it's 'wimbledone' dear,
All finished so you can go back to bed now and dweem of Rafa arrival.
Nighty night

Twinge , 7/1/13 9:09 PM




#Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

nadline , 7/1/13 9:55 PM


Yes dear, I know you're so tired
And we are too
Of you
So off to beddy byes and we shall wake you up when Rword hits the courts again.
BED TIME NOW!

Twinge , 7/1/13 10:26 PM


Feeling that either Andy or Nole will get upset before the finals and we will not see a Nole Andy final. Let us see if both make it. I think 1 of goes out before the final.

sanju , 7/2/13 10:32 AM


Rafans, I am at camp site at Kilimanjaro, Tanzania as I write this, preparing to start the "assault" on Mount Kilimanjaro, Africa's highest peak, at dawn tomorrow. Yes, folks, I am climbing Africa's highest mountain and I am sh*t scared! Please pray for me. Don't fret, we will be walking, apparently that is how you climb Mount Kilimanjaro, who knew!

Hopefully, when I walk back next week, Muzza will be Wimby Champion, and I am in one piece, I am praying..............

As we have to carry only the barest necessities (IPad, not) I will only be able to pop in until I am back on terra firma........

Hopefully, I will come down to a celebration...........Vamos Muzza!!

*Channeling my inner Rafa...........*

Vamos!!









rafaisthebest , 7/2/13 1:26 PM


ritb, Good Luck!

nadline , 7/2/13 1:45 PM


RITB: Courage my dear! Are you being sponsored if so is it through Just Giving? i'd like to contribute. There are ways of exchanging email addresses without the whole world knowing. We can discuss when you get back to ground level.

i have a girl friend who did the climb to celebrate her 60th birthday. It's tough i know but the satisfaction knows no bounds.

#OnwardsAndUpwards

ed251137 , 7/2/13 1:46 PM


Thank you, @nadline and ed251137.

It is closing in on 15h00 at the camp site and we are going through our daily briefing before we retire......

No, this is not a sponsored climb ed251137, just a personal dare! After I did the marathon last year my son dared me to climb the mountain so foolishly, here I am. My only request was that he climb with me, all the better to give my remains a decent burial should that come to pass! Btw, he cannot understand why I follow pro tennis, he says it's all fixed! He is an ignoramus...........

Thank you for giving me a good idea about sponsorship! I will certainly give it a thought for my next adventure, why not let someone benefit from my suffering? I love it!

Cheers babes, include me in your shout-outs to Muzza...gotta go!!

rafaisthebest , 7/2/13 2:06 PM


I think I'd prefer to take a helicopter for the ascent.
And the descent for that matter!
Good luck RITB,
Very impressive and have a great time!

Twinge , 7/2/13 2:16 PM


Good Luck! Good Luck RITB! *Waves and shouts.*

deuce , 7/2/13 3:39 PM


@ritb,

That is amazing news! Good luck to you! I am amazed that you are undertaking this challenge.

I can't imagine a more wonderful and exciting thing to do!

Take care!

Nativenewyorker , 7/2/13 6:37 PM


Wow RITB, that's fantastic!!! Good luck and stay safe!
Best wishes!

danica , 7/2/13 9:51 PM


#Bump
#DoingTheErasings
#GhostTown

Conspirator , 7/9/13 5:22 PM



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