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  • Approach Shots: Murray returns, Federer headlines Halle

    2013-06-09 19:04:19

    "Approach Shots" is Ricky's weekly look at what's ahead on the ATP Tour.

    Rafael Nadal and David Ferrer? Not too happy that the spring clay-court season is over. Roger Federer and Andy Murray? Thrilled.

     

    Federer and Murray will kick off the grass-court swing this week in Halle and London, respectively. The veteran Swiss headlines a Halle draw that also features No. 2 seed Richard Gasquet, defending champion Tommy Haas, Milos Raonic, and Jerzy Janowicz. Whereas Federer at least reached the final at the Rome Masters and the quarters at Roland Garros, Murray won only three clay-court matches in three tournaments before skipping the French Open. The Scot is back in action at Queen’s Club, where he is joined by Tomas Berdych, Juan Martin Del Potro, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, and 2012 winner Marin Cilic.

     

    AEGON Championships

     

    Where: London, England
    Surface: Grass
    Prize money: 683,665 Euros
    Points: 250

     

    Top seed: Andy Murray
    Defending champion: Marin Cilic

     

    Draw analysis: Returning from almost one full month away from tennis due to a back injury, Murray could not have asked for a much better draw. The world No. 2, who is 14-4 lifetime at this event with two titles, drew the weakest of the 5-8 seeds (Alexandr Dolgopolov) in his quarter and his nearest seed is clay-courter Pablo Andujar. Looming relatively large for Murray is a possible opening match against Nicolas Mahut. The veteran Frenchman has been out of form (in singles), but he upset Murray at the same stage of last year’s Queen’s Club tournament and he is also a former finalist. Murray is on a semifinal collision course with Tsonga, a matchup that would likely be more problematic than one against Del Potro—who landed in Berdych’s half of the bracket. Tsonga should have little to no trouble before a potential quarterfinal clash against Kevin Anderson.

     

    Berdych could face Cilic in the last eight, but the defending champ will be hard-pressed make it that far. The slumping Croat is expected to begin his title defense against countryman Ivan Dodig and all-court player Julien Benneteau is a possible third-round adversary. It’s hard to imagine Berdych having any issues prior to the quarterfinals, and maybe not even until the semis or final. Del Potro, meanwhile, missed the French Open like Murray and has not played since the Rome Masters. The Argentine has no grass-court threats in his half of the third section, but the other side will almost certainly produce a worthy quarterfinal opponent. Sam Querrey, Grigor Dimitrov, and Lleyton Hewitt headline one of the more difficult pods in the braket.

     

    First-round upset alert: Ryan Harrison over (13) Jarkko Nieminen. Nieminen is in the midst of a stellar season, but the brief grass-court interruption is by far his least favorite part of every year. The 31-year-old Finn is an amazing ball-striker who wants time to set up for his shots, something which the slick stuff does not always allow. Furthermore, Nieminen’s serve is the weakest part of his game and he generally has to break his opponents several times in order to stay in matches. That’s also a more difficult task on the lawn. Harrison is no grass-court specialist, himself, and his 2013 campaign has been a disappointment. However, the 21-year-old American advanced one round at Roland Garros and pushed John Isner in an entertaining five-setter.

     

    Hot: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Kevin Anderson, Benoit Paire, Grigor Dimitrov, Lukas Rosol, Jarkko Nieminen

     

    Cold: Andy Murray, Juan Martin Del Potro, Alexandr Dolgopolov, Nicolas Mahut, Bernard Tomic, Lleyton Hewitt, Sergiy Stakhovsky

     

    Quarterfinal predictions: Andy Murray over Lukas Rosol, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga over Kevin Anderson, Grigor Dimitrov over Juan Martin Del Potro, and Tomas Berdych over Julien Benneteau

     

    Semifinals: Murray over Tsonga and Berdych over Dimitrov

     

    Final: Berdych over Murray

    Gerry Weber Open

     

    Where: Halle, Germany
    Surface: Grass
    Prize money: 683,665 Euros
    Points: 250

     

    Top seed: Roger Federer
    Defending champion: Tommy Haas

     

    Draw analysis: This literally might be the most lopsided 32-spot draw in the history of tennis. Breaking it down into groups in which they go into the proverbial sorting hat, Federer is obviously superior to Gasquet, Haas is better than Kei Nishikori, and of the 5-8 seeds the combination of Raonic and Janowicz is far stronger than Philipp Kohlschreiber and Florian Mayer. Well…Federer, Haas, Raonic, and Janowicz are all in the top half of the bracket. As if that isn’t enough, consider the placement of the unseeded threats. Ernests Gulbis, Marcos Baghdatis, Gael Monfils, Daniel Brands, and David Goffin find themselves in the top half. All five of those guys are arguably more dangerous than the second best unseeded player in the bottom section, where Mikhail Youzhny is most likely to do damage as an unseeded floater.

     

    Haas, who is playing doubles with Federer in Halle, has the most difficult draw of anyone. The 35-year-old German likely awaits familiar foe Ernests Gulbis in the second round before a possible quarterfinal showdown against the big-serving Raonic. Haas and Federer, of course, are on a collision course for the semis. Federer would first have to get past either Cedrik-Marcel Stebe or a qualifier then hold off Janowicz. On the other side, 2011 champ Kohlschreiber has a great opportunity to make a return trip to the final. The No. 6 seed will be a heavy favorite in his first two matches before a possible date with either Nishikori or Youzhny. Similarly, Gasquet has a favorable path in the last quarter of the draw.

     

    First-round upset alert: Marcos Baghdatis over Ernests Gulbis. The top four seeds have byes and the other four should be able to progress through the opening round, but Baghdatis over Gulbis would qualify as an upset even though they are both unseeded. Based on current form, Gulbis is a massive favorite. While the Latvian is 20-8 at the ATP level this season, Baghdatis has lost in the first round of his last seven tournaments—including one Challenger. On the bright side, the Cypriot is 4-1 lifetime against Gulbis (although they have not faced each other since 2010) and Gulbis generally performs better on clay and hard courts than he does on grass. A surprise here cannot be expected, but it is not entirely out of the question.

     

    Hot: Roger Federer, Richard Gasquet, Tommy Haas, Kei Nishikori, Philipp Kohlschreiber, Ernests Gulbis, Daniel Brands

     

    Cold: Florian Mayer, David Goffin, Philipp Petzschner, Marcos Baghdatis, Jurgen Melzer

     

    Semifinal predictions: Roger Federer over Milos Raonic and Philipp Kohlschreiber over Richard Gasquet

     

    Final: Federer over Kohlschreiber

    Comments and your own predictions are appreciated!

     

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Comments

Milos has taken Fed to a third set in all three of their best of three encounters including two tie breaks one of which was in Halle last year.

Under Ljuby's coaching, look for Milos to take that extra step and make it to the finals this year, perhaps even take the title.

#CmonEh?

Conspirator , 6/10/13 4:47 PM


You really want to consider RFed as "hot" right now?

#Really?
#DroppingGoatStandards

Conspirator , 6/10/13 5:08 PM


Kohlschreiber and Federer are definitely not hot at the moment

tennis2011 , 6/10/13 5:14 PM


I agree about Fed not being hot right now. He's in the midst of a title drought that goes back to last year. What's hot about that?

Nativenewyorker , 6/10/13 9:29 PM


It's grass, it's Fed. Maybe that combo qualifies as 'hot'? Otoh, Fed did make the finals in Rome - going kamikaze on Rafa wasn't really a disgrace. And an inspired Tsonga can take anyone down.

Ramara , 6/10/13 9:32 PM


@Ramara, so you are assuming he will get the same kind of cake-walk draw at Wimby that he got in Rome?

rafaisthebest , 6/10/13 10:10 PM


Back! not so fast
this blog is ajoke? AMuzza wins this not Toma**

Gulbis is hot and lose for Baghdatis cold ? 2 jokes
3 joke Federer hot and lose for hot Gasquet. that it. ok hahahaha

leftarmgonewrong , 6/11/13 8:39 AM


Lol all the girls at Queens sure love Grigor, he's getting quite a fan base. And Maria travelled by tube to go see him. Good for her.

deuce , 6/11/13 2:28 PM


lagw: Hello Sienna! Its not just left arm gone wrong for you but everything dear with Fed on his last legs propped up by rigged draws. Look for more heavily rigged draws at Wimbly. Fed with cupcake draw and Rafa facing big hitters in every round.

holdserve , 6/11/13 5:39 PM


FEDERER all the way to Halle victory imo

isfand , 6/11/13 5:50 PM


Ooooh, dunno, Fed has to face No. 166 Stebe(???) tomorrow and then the winner of No. 156 Zverev (???) vs No. 240 Basic (???) in the QF!!!!

Comparatively, Haas plays Gulbis and then likely LeMonf (who just demolished Raonic).

Yes, Fed should win this if he can get past the defending champ in the semis.

#OneOfTheseThingsIsNotLikeTheOther

Conspirator , 6/11/13 6:28 PM


JMDP hopefully warming up. Just took out the X-Man in three tight sets.
The X-Man is a vet, but he is good on grass.

(Y'all stop picking on Roger, now.)

mara002 , 6/11/13 10:57 PM


There's more people attending the queens tournament that the dirty monstrosity Madrid.
I'm sorry, but maybe it's time we had a proper grass season to offset the boredom of the previous months.
So Pull some more stands in and make the rather lovely Aegon championship a new masters tournament.
You know it makes sense bitches...

Twinge , 6/12/13 1:56 AM


Take a bit more than just a few stands Twinge. Even so, would make more sense dropping some of those piddly 250 pt hc events in the US in July and play Wimbly 1-2 weeks later. Too many hc events as is. US has no real interest in tennis now anyways.

Don't think killing a Masters 1000 in the country with the most Top 20 players makes a lot of sense now does it Biotch?

#JustSayin

Conspirator , 6/12/13 2:34 AM


Are you calling me biotch?
Hahaha.
At least you're not hiding behind another moniker to do it.
That's progress for you btw!
Anyway Come on there's no need to be so defensive.
Yes there are too many HC events, but my problem with some events like Madrid is that they really are not true masters events.
I saw this tourney and no one f**king attended it, even when Rafa was there (until the semis/final) despite having the requisite stands.
And no, I don't care if your beloved Rafa racks up a million of em either.
That's not why I'm going after it.
But if the CC season had one less (recently devised) event it would give some more space going on to more interesting events.
Or do you think we should drop that event in Canadaland instead?
The 250 's are irrelevant anyway as they are usually not mandatory, with the possible exception of our own aegon which has an almost full complement of top players.
So it almost seems that it is at least (bar the usual s suspects)
Alright Conspirator?
Are we less upset now?

Twinge , 6/12/13 2:57 AM


No no far from upset Twingey. Term of endearment. No foul intended.

Still don't agree though. London event is a far cry from a Masters unless it is moved. 500 at best. Regardless not enough clay events as is. July is a complete off month so makes more sense to drop/condense those lame Atlanta/Washington/Quahog events than to drop a Masters from today's heartland of tennis even if Tiriac is an arse wipe.

Conspirator , 6/12/13 3:11 AM


Fine, But they wouldn't put Wimbledon forward into this, its almost unmoveable, we Brits are rather traditional you see, but yes there is space there for sure.
Didn't Stepanak or some some crumbly win Washington last year or he came close anyway?
One is reminded of the old of 'if a tree falls and no one is around to hear it' question.
Queens does not fit the requirements of a masters but a masters leading up to the most important slam there should be.
This extra week should not go to waste.

Twinge , 6/12/13 3:24 AM


Actually the LTA could even buy out these bush league tournaments.

Twinge , 6/12/13 3:34 AM


twinge, no one cares what you think.

Scrotracker , 6/13/13 11:48 AM


And i don't care if nobody cares, oh scabby one
However Conspirator clearly did
Didn't you?
;-)

Twinge , 6/13/13 12:44 PM


LOL @ scrotracker and conspirator :P

tj600 , 6/13/13 1:14 PM


I care, Twinge, I care.

Scrotracker will not be HAPPY!!!!

#OprahRamblings

Conspirator , 6/13/13 2:24 PM


Scrotracker can S-U-C-K I-T Conspirator!
;-)

Twinge , 6/13/13 5:16 PM


Twinge How many people out of top 8 played Madrid and how many played Aegon. I guess Murray was the only one to miss out on Madrid. He missed out on RG as well coz he knows he can't beat even a one leg Nole/Nadal at RG .

fedexal , 6/13/13 6:19 PM


I second more grass court tournaments motion - they are too less only 5 (4 250)

isfand , 6/13/13 6:55 PM


^^That's true he can't,
And frankly my dear I don't give a damn!
Although he pulled out with a back injury remember so lets be fair.
Or is Nadal the only one allowed to do that?
Anyhoo!
The dirty nightmare is OVER, and now its the green green grass of home
Don't say you're not excited about it.
I know you are ;)
Its a happiest time with better tennis (hopefully) for just about everyone,
So lets move on and hope for hot weather conditions, you know like the ones that helped Rafa to make it through the semis of RG for example.
Sorry!
Oh and newsflash!
Madrid usually has a full complement of top 8ters because its a....(drum roll)
`masters tournament`.
Therefore it is maaannddaaattorrry
I typed that sllooowwwlllyy for you.
Ta Dah!

Twinge , 6/13/13 7:01 PM


i discussed it once with a guy who told me that because grass courts are difficult to maintain and second the All England Club is the biggest reason for so less grass court tournaments he said "they want to maintain exclusivity and prestige to wimbledon" my counter argument that what a master series says to wimbledon didnt get a satisfactory answer all i heard was All England Club All England Club All England Club

isfand , 6/13/13 7:01 PM


Pish Posh I say to him..
He sounds like a right kno**er,
Perhaps Andy could seize the opportunity and set up a nice grass court masters in Scotland prior to Wimbles?
Its far enough away and relatively exotic.
Oh but the weather might be a problem.
Come to think of it
never mind :(
But yes issy, something should be done.
Strange to think it was the standard court the way HC's are now back in the day.

Twinge , 6/13/13 7:09 PM


twinge madrid argument is powerful

isfand , 6/13/13 7:10 PM


rafaisthebest , 6/13/13 7:18 PM


What do you mean by `still refusing`.
I have only just started!
No he could have still won that semi but yah know it was awfully close and you know your tennis more than well enough to see just what a high bounce can do to rafas game,
Anyhoo i must continue later....

Twinge , 6/13/13 7:36 PM


Yes, sun, heat, outdoors, wind. Crazy conditions to play sport.

Let's move all tennis to climate-controlled, hepa-filtered indoors with no wind, no rain, no sun, low bounce.

At least Wimbly is playing along nicely.

For that matter, why don't they just play xbox tennis?

#V3MO8

Conspirator , 6/13/13 8:11 PM


No the conditions were very favourable to Rafa in the semis as opposed to the final.
Had all the complaining been listened to about seedings most likely it would have been Novak in the final not Poor Ferrer. In the cold and damp.
Anyhoo, that's ancient history!
I still think the Madrid should be reverted back to indoors (YES!) and played in the winter for example or whenever.
3 masters in that short period is excessive.
And I don't want to hear about how f**king short the clay court season is ever again!
Not after Seeing Rafa 'vamossing' half way round the world on the the stuff for FIVE MONTHS!
That's 5 months endless 250/500 3 masters and a slam simply so STFU with your incessant whining nadaltard's.
The gloriousness that is the grass court serious is 1 Slam a handful of 250's that no one bothers watching and is over in 3 weeks!
But to be fair n balanced, lets take a bit from the HC's too.
Fnarfnar :(

Twinge , 6/13/13 10:06 PM


Wow I'm fascinated. And just how many slams would Andy and Novak have by now in this woulda coulda shoulda world you've envisioned there Muzzole, I... I mean Twingey?

:)

#RoofsAreForWimps

Conspirator , 6/13/13 10:25 PM


What's the big deal about saying the semi's dry conditions were more favourable to Rafa than Novak?
Are you all pretending to be stupid?
Again that doesn't automatically mean he would have lost but hot and dry is very important to Rafas game,
You can bleat all you want but this is true
And that we all know.
And yes a roof was most definitely favourable to little fed Fauntleroy
And I have NO problem stating the obvious there either
Oh wait a minute neither would you too C.
And it was obvious that Murray worked the conditions better than Novak in NYC although wind is not a crucial part of his game and they both used it on change of ends.
Oh I forgot to preface everything with rafaistheGoat,
I think that's were I screwed up.
Jeez!

Twinge , 6/13/13 10:39 PM


I think Rafa won Wimby in cloudy, damp and cool conditions against the grass goat, no?

#KingOfTennis

Conspirator , 6/13/13 10:48 PM


What?
We were discussing the conditions for the semi on clay dear.
Not the low bouncing grass of wimby.
And yes we'll all know who vanquished who that twilight evening
FIVE YEARS AGO.

Twinge , 6/13/13 11:06 PM


You said that hot and dry was very important to Rafa's game so I thought you meant in general.

In general, I think it is one of many factors that helps ( not VERY important). Rafa has said this many times he prefers these conditions.

No matter. History books don't care about weather, roofs, draws, injuries. In the end these things have a way of balancing out and when careers are done, we can say more. I don't see Nole passing Rafa on slam count but I do think he has a career grand slam in him.

#HUM3LE

Conspirator , 6/13/13 11:27 PM


Come to think of it Twinge, Rafa had an easier time beating Nole in four sets at the FO 12 in much heavier damp conditions. Is that recent enough for you?

#AgainJustSaying

Conspirator , 6/13/13 11:34 PM


^^^and had a more "difficult" time of it under hot, dry conditions since he needed 5 sets to dispatch him this year, some might say.

Roses are red, violets blue.........

rafaisthebest , 6/13/13 11:45 PM


^^^True but not this time.
No way.
It's not that dry conditions help Rafa, it's that they make it so difficult for his opponents.
My view is that damp conditions would have been enough to tip it for Novak.
But then we could have all said it was due to this also.
And his knees..
But it's done now and yes history won't care.
But I will still have my view right now.

Twinge , 6/13/13 11:45 PM


No one is saying that Rafa can't win in damp conditions but in a match as close as this one was....are you so sure Nadal would still have pulled through when his spin would be reduced and bounce lowered?

Twinge , 6/13/13 11:48 PM


No of course not. Only an arrogant fan would say so.

#Muzzole07
#Humble

Conspirator , 6/13/13 11:58 PM


Good then I think the debate has reached it's conclusion
:)

Twinge , 6/14/13 12:09 AM


We really need to get Muzzy a few slams so we can talk about his real accomplishments rather than what Nole MIGHT have done. Please don't turn into one of those hyphenated posters.

#WalkingDead

Conspirator , 6/14/13 12:18 AM


He needs to get them himself,
Well soon see if he has finally grown up,
I don't see why speculating on a recent match in a possible worlds sense is anything but a natural thing to do, that we (as in YOU TOO) are not averse to doing quite often.
Particularly when it ended in the 5th a 9/7.
Anyway whatever,
The PA stopped taking minutes, the cheese plate and coffee is gone and I'm done.

Twinge , 6/14/13 12:26 AM


The Fed Rafa wimbledon was closely fought but after that match Fed never won on any slam surface thereafter against Rafa. I do feel if Rafa's knee holds up, he will beat Nole on grass and clay every time though of course it will always be tough because unlike Fed, Nole is one year younger.
On hard court it would be 50:50. At USO they split two finals. At AO it was closely fought.
Unlike Muzza, Rafa is just as (if not more ) mentally tough than Nole.
Muzza needs to grow up. I don't know what will happen to the current equations and inequalities when that happens! But I am sure Fed will rejoice because his slam haul may then never be equaled with three geniuses in the same age group fighting it out.

holdserve , 6/14/13 3:41 AM


I do believe Muzza was deprived of a Wimbledon title last year mainly because of the rigged draw and a little bit because of the roof.
Hope it will not be rigged against Muzza as it was last year.
That it will be rigged in favor of Fed is a given.

holdserve , 6/14/13 3:44 AM


Federer was not supposed to be in "hot"

but Kohlschreiber was

RickyDimon , 6/14/13 4:59 AM


^^^^^

That's a relief! We thought you were slipping! :)

Nativenewyorker , 6/14/13 5:09 AM


holdserve, there is no way under the sun that Wimbledon will favour Fed over Murray, no way.

nadline , 6/14/13 9:34 AM


holdserve , 6/14/13 3:44 AM


:-) Pray to almighty for a healthy mind.

sabs , 6/14/13 10:33 AM


'holdserve, there is no way under the sun that Wimbledon will favour Fed over Murray, no way'

No way?
Then why does he get the toughest draw out of the top 4 (never mind fed) each and every year?
Yes way is more like.
He hasn't figured as much in their machinations up until now but that might be about to change as the writing is clearly on the wall for Roger.
It's time Andy got a few easy draws in his home slam for a change methinks..

Twinge , 6/14/13 12:17 PM


Also couldn't wait to close that roof in the final last year.

No Wimby does no favours for the Scot. Fed has always been their adopted son.

The Wimby audience/revenue potential extends well beyond GB, no?

#Business

Conspirator , 6/14/13 2:40 PM


Both Wimbledon and Olympics last year were not only rigged in favor of Fed but were rigged against Muzza. I hope this year they will remember Muzza is British and not give him the toughest draw under the assumption that he is the most dispensable of the top 4.
I think they will put Rafa in Ferrer's Quarter.

holdserve , 6/14/13 3:13 PM


Twinge, 6/14/13 12:17 PM
draws are random ........ you dont believe they are rigged ...... seriously?

isfand , 6/14/13 4:19 PM


Isfand there's more chance of you winning the rollover powerball than the draws being random, given the way they have turned out.
I'm sorry but the numbers just don't add up.
Don't think Federer goes into the offices of Wimbledon with a request list however.
Why would he?
Its all about za money no?
Business is business etc.

Twinge , 6/14/13 4:31 PM


I don't think anyone who follows tennis seriously believes anymore that the draws are random.
Apart from Fed getting incredibly easy draws, we have also seen that in slams when one of the top 4 falls out and a Soderling or Ferrer is no. 4, then that fallen out of top 4 guy is in Soderling/Ferrer's Quarter. Coincidence, once twice, so many times?
In fact even in Masters it is so. The sole exception in recent memory was Rafa in Fed's Quarter in IW. I think Fed was confident of beating on hard court a just returned from injury Rafa and thereby improving the h2h. Besides Fed had easily beaten Rafa last year at IW. So the Maestro was confident.

holdserve , 6/14/13 4:44 PM


then i assume i have a very good chance of winning rollover powerball :)
Come on Twinge

isfand , 6/14/13 4:46 PM


now if Nadal falls in Ferrer quarter draw is rigged ok
if nadal falls in murray quarter draw is rigged ok
if nadal falls in djokovic quarter draw is rigged
that leaves nadal to be in federer quarter 25% probability
i seriously hope hope that happens but then what will I do with the argument that Federer thought he could beat Nadal on grass thus improve his H2H
#thinking (sorry conspirator borrowed your style)

isfand , 6/14/13 4:53 PM


Fed should have no reason to suppose he can beat Rafa on grass. Of course if he keeps double bageling unknowns he might just convince himself he can beat Rafa.
But will Fed be so foolhardy as to risk his best chance of winning a slam here and making history with 8? Let us wait and see.
I too hope Rafa is in Fed's Quarter or at least his half. That would mean better scheduling for Rafa.

holdserve , 6/14/13 5:06 PM


well i agree that federer should have no reason to think that but if a person gives that argument and then sticks to it
#what can we do with that person

isfand , 6/14/13 5:09 PM


I know it is still early days but I am going to stick my neck out and say:
1. Fed and Rafa will be in opposite halves of the draw;
2. Fed will play on the first day of course as defending Champ
3. Rafa will be in Ferru's quarter, in Novak's half.

rafaisthebest , 6/14/13 5:19 PM


Ricky's pickin' lemons again!

rafaisthebest , 6/14/13 5:27 PM


If Roger is no. 3, he has no option but to select Muzza or Djokovic in his half. He may prefer Djokovic unless Muzza crashes out of Queens and complains of back problems.
I think it will be Fed and Djoko on one side, Muzza, Ferrer and Rafa on the other.
Of course I would prefer RITBs draw and what I would really like is for Rafa to be in Federer's Quarter and Djoko's half.

holdserve , 6/14/13 5:36 PM


Sorry, I was assuming Fed would be seeded #2, more likely he will be #3. Do you really think Fed would want Nole anywhere near him before the finals, holdserve? I think Fed will want Muzza in his half because in his conceit, he feels he can out-muscle Muzza mentally, especially if the roof's on.

In which case Fed would like Rafa to be in Nole's quarter, with Ferru in that half. I don't think Fed will worry as much about Ferru as he will about Tsonga and Berdych. He will want those 2 in Muzza's and Ferru's quarter.

#ItShallBeDone

rafaisthebest , 6/14/13 5:47 PM


I've asked this before and I'm going to ask again, have Adidas and Muzza settled on this shirt design as the Muzza shirt forever? The design is flattering but I cannot remember a player wearing the same shirt design for this long...........

rafaisthebest , 6/14/13 5:58 PM


well then it will all depend on what federer decides ?
what will federer decide ??????????
#excited to see what federer decides on 21/22

isfand , 6/14/13 6:00 PM


Rafa will be in Nole's quarter.


I highly suspect amongst seeds 5-8, Fed will draw Delpo.

Wimbly has historically scheduled quite fairly. Defending champ plays first. Only USO and FO have been shameless in this regard.

Lot's of early round hard hitters for Rafa natch.

Lot's of old guys (except for Haas), Americans and/or qualifiers in Fed's quarter.

#DoingTheSpeculations
#WeWillSee
#RandomOrder

Conspirator , 6/14/13 6:03 PM


I am inclined to go with your speculation @Conspirator, regarding Rafa being in Novak's quarter.

rafaisthebest , 6/14/13 6:07 PM


This time it will be Rafa vs Murray in the final and Rafa to win!!!

MAGICJOHNSON76 , 6/14/13 11:44 PM


^^^oooo and from my crystal ball I can see you are talking from Uranus!
It will be a Murray Nadal qtr final, if both get there that is...

Twinge , 6/14/13 11:51 PM


If Rafa ends up in Muzza's quarter that will be the proof I need to confirm that the suits at Wmby don't value him as much as they should.

rafaisthebest , 6/15/13 12:27 AM


Well in a numbers kind of way of looking at it, they do not.
Although a British winner of Wimbledon might exceed present benefits.
Might.
Andy is quite a big star now
He's not so far from Fedal, he just needs a few more slams.
And any good good business must plan for the future
And the way I see it Fedal (the fed part at least) is starting to look very mortal indeed.

Twinge , 6/15/13 12:50 AM


Well in a numbers kind of way of looking at it, they do not.
Although a British winner of Wimbledon might exceed present benefits.
Might.
Andy is quite a big star now
He's not so far from Fedal, he just needs a few more slams.
And any good good business must plan for the future
And the way I see it Fedal (the fed part at least) is starting to look very mortal indeed.

Twinge , 6/15/13 12:51 AM


Well in a numbers kind of way of looking at it, they do not.
Although a British winner of Wimbledon might exceed present benefits.
Might.
Andy is quite a big star now
He's not so far from Fedal, he just needs a few more slams.
And any good good business must plan for the future
And the way I see it Fedal (the fed part at least) is starting to look very mortal indeed.

Twinge , 6/15/13 12:54 AM


Well in a numbers kind of way of looking at it, they do not.
Although a British winner of Wimbledon might exceed present benefits.
Might.
Andy is quite a big star now
He's not so far from Fedal, he just needs a few more slams.
And any good good business must plan for the future
And the way I see it Fedal (the fed part at least) is starting to look very mortal indeed.

Twinge , 6/15/13 12:55 AM


Oops sorry for the quadruple post!
Don't know what happened there
Anyway, of course you're so sure it's doing him a disservice because you think he'll lose.
Me I'm not so sure about that at all
In fact I think it's Andy's to lose

Twinge , 6/15/13 1:02 AM


Well in a numbers kind of way of looking at it, they do not.
Although a British winner of Wimbledon might exceed present benefits.
Might.
Andy is quite a big star now
He's not so far from Fedal, he just needs a few more slams.
And any good good business must plan for the future
And the way I see it Fedal (the fed part at least) is starting to look very mortal indeed.

Twinge , 6/15/13 1:29 AM


What the f**k is going on here?!
Need I repeat myself?
I tend to think I get it in one
Usually at least
;-)

Twinge , 6/15/13 2:01 AM


We can all make our predictions but Fed will decide the actual draw!!!
If the British act a little difficult and try to put Tsonga in Fed's quarter, I am sure Fed's sponsors will have something to say.
Fed would prefer Del po. Though Berdych in his present form may not be a bad choice. Tsonga definitely no.

holdserve , 6/15/13 4:03 AM


But then it all depends on what Fed thinks.
But Rafa for sure will have a tough draw with big hitters in the early rounds as Fed is afraid of Rafa.
Maybe as RITB says he will put Rafa in Nole's Quarter or at least his half so Nole could take him out if Rosol types do not.

holdserve , 6/15/13 4:17 AM


Twinge, do you do everything 5 times? Ha ha!! There was one guy in Catch 22 who kept saying he sees everything twice.
Anyway, nice to read your posts though I must admit I read only one out of the 5 copies. I like your posts but not that much to read it 5 times!!!

holdserve , 6/15/13 5:51 AM


@Twinge, 1:02AM

Of course drawing Rafa in your quarter is the ultimate short straw for any of the top 4, including Andy. Anything can happen on the day of course but none of them would be pleased if they saw Rafa in their quarter. Apart from the possibility of elimination at such an early stage, there is also the reality of dropping significant ranking points as a result, not to mention the possibility of surviving and beating Rafa but emerging worn out after a battle royal, to be picked off in the next stage!

Triple whammy.

rafaisthebest , 6/15/13 7:12 AM


Twinge just inadvertently pulled a Holdserve.

xrf , 6/15/13 8:06 AM


xrf 's post is totally meaningless. As usual he has made an ass of himself. Curious how anti Rafa fans are obsessed with asses i.e. observing Rafa's ass or making asses of themselves?

holdserve , 6/15/13 3:41 PM


Fortunately Twinge did not pull a xrf. If he had he would have probably retired from TT

holdserve , 6/15/13 3:43 PM


Roger has no control over draws, don't blame him just because you hate him.
People love to see him play, be it RG, SW19, USO or AO.
He is the superstar, thats all.

sabs , 6/15/13 3:49 PM


People love to see him play, be it RG, SW19, USO or AO.
He is the superstar, that's why he needs to be protected by favorable draws so he could reach the finals of these events.

phoenix , 6/15/13 5:47 PM


You're not serious are you @phoenix? Then they might as well just parachute him into the finals, no? There has to be some element of fairness to the sport otherwise it suffers a credibility gap...........

rafaisthebest , 6/15/13 6:04 PM


No only needs to be the appearance of fairness.

#RandomOrder

Conspirator , 6/15/13 6:10 PM


Well, they need to do better than stack Fed's quarter with qualifiers and 30+ year olds if they want to appear to be fair..............

rafaisthebest , 6/15/13 6:15 PM


of course not ritb, am just toying with sabs words, that's all...:-)

phoenix , 6/15/13 6:39 PM


The Rickster has too much Berdy love.

deuce , 6/15/13 9:14 PM


Why holdserve, I only saw a fitting comparison to how all your posts are virtually the same drivel. Over and over and over again. Actually I think I did Twinge quite a disservice, as he is not off slandering anyone in his posts, it wasn't intentional, and he made only 4 copies!
#HowManyTimes

xrf , 6/15/13 9:51 PM


As for the 'meaningless' part, I would throw in a couple insults, comparing your comprehension abilities to that of a 2 year old (monkey), the usual platitudes, but that would just make me...you.
Or did I just do that anyway? Oh well.
And I couldn't care less about Rafa's ass.
Kirilenko's however......!

xrf , 6/15/13 9:55 PM


Oh and almost forgot- I gotta fine ass meself!
#HUMBLE

xrf , 6/15/13 9:57 PM


Twinge just inadvertently pulled a Holdserve.
xrf, 6/15/13 8:06 AM

LOL! you could add the other octogenarians CBM aka new-yapper and ED. The same hackneyed and trite inane comments with absolutely 0 tennis knowledge.

My offer to play you guys on a tennis-court still stands. I will up the ante and all 3 of you can use the court and I will play into a singles court and you guys into a doubles court. You can even beg Uncle Toni to coach you guys, LOL!

JamesDjokovicFan , 6/16/13 12:22 AM


Looks like T-whinge is copying and pasting repeatedly and can't even keep up with itself on how to post on a forum. Join crap20's club, you'll fit right in with it beside you - dumb and dumber.... lol.

jean , 6/16/13 4:34 AM


Well at least Ricky backed Andy to be in the final :-)

High fives to Deuce, Alex and Twinge. Well done Andy but do you have to take the long way round each time? Great match to watch.

ed251137 , 6/16/13 7:12 PM


Thanks Ed :-)
Cilic was a worthy opponent and surely he should be in the top ten by now.
But wow that final set Andy was BLAZING!
Cilic didn't have a chance.
And what a funny and moving speech from the Muzz
Haters, you're on the losing side of this one.

Twinge , 6/16/13 7:43 PM


Congratulations to Murray fans for his win today at Queens!

Good times for deuce, alex and Twinge!

I will have to watch it replayed later on. I look forward to it. Sounds like it was a good one.

Nativenewyorker , 6/16/13 8:10 PM


Cheers, NNY. :) Andy sure is cooking :)
@ ed that fall kind if dislodged him for a bit. Also, still seems to start slowly. But as Twingey says, that third set was sublime :)

deuce , 6/16/13 9:36 PM


Yeah thx NNY
He lost focus for a bit and the old muttering to himself thing, and Marin certainly played better than I've seen him play for a long time,
But he's a real fighter now coming back from both the tsonga and the final matches shall stand him in good stead mentally.
It was the perfect prep for Wimbles really....

Twinge , 6/16/13 9:44 PM


The fall certainly disrupted him for a whle but I found myself wondering at times if sub-consciously he has wanted to go three sets in order to be match sharp for Wimbledon. lol.

#JokingOfCourse

ed251137 , 6/16/13 10:48 PM


I saw Andy take that fall when I got to see the replay of the match. That was a scary few moments but fortunately he was fine.

I think it gives a player confidence when they can come back from being a set down. He had two good wins over quality opponents like Tsonga and Cilic.

I was really impressed by Cilic in the final. He seems to like this tournament. It was a reminder of what he can do when he plays great tennis. That makes Andy's win even better, knowing that he had a worthy opponent who gave it his best.

Nativenewyorker , 6/17/13 7:50 PM


thats what murray has to say about wimbledon draws
"I know there will be a lot of interest in the draw this year as Rafael Nadal looks like being seeded fifth, but as a player you can't get too obsessed about the draw," Murray wrote in his BBC column. ?I'd sign up to be in the quarterfinals against Rafa tomorrow if someone offered me that. You could say if I get through that match then the semifinal might not be as tough, but if you want to win the biggest tournaments you have to beat the best players in the world. It doesn't really matter where they are in the draw."

isfand , 6/18/13 1:29 AM


Will Fed sign up to be in the quarterfinals against Rafa if it is offered to him?

phoenix , 6/18/13 6:30 AM


^^^No, he will plead the fifth! Hehehe!

rafaisthebest , 6/18/13 6:58 AM


well he might , i dont know we can only know if someone asks him that but the point is
"but if you want to win the biggest tournaments you have to beat the best players in the world. It doesn't really matter where they are in the draw." like nadal beat djokovic in semifinal

isfand , 6/18/13 3:01 PM


well and i dont blame people for hating rivals of their favorite players, it happens but whosoever hates a rival player shows his own lack of confidence in his favorite player ;).............. because it looks like he is threatened by the other player in some way (achievements or current form)

isfand , 6/18/13 3:14 PM


thats what federer said ?It clearly changes the draw with the dynamics of it but not more than that really. I mean the quarterfinal is not first round. It?s still far away in the draw if you think about it.?

isfand , 6/18/13 3:25 PM


Wimby seeds will be announced at noon UK time tomorrow

rafaisthebest , 6/18/13 3:38 PM


"well and i dont blame people for hating rivals of their favorite players, it happens but whosoever hates a rival player shows his own lack of confidence in his favorite player "

The hatred/rivalry is what runs the sport. If Federer and Nadal fans were pally-pally like Djokovic-Nadal fans, the rivalry will be a dud. Any top notch rivalry in the world is fuelled by hatred on either side of the fence. However, there should also be a healthy group of tennis experts who keep things real. For federer and nadal, the two experts are the two players themselves. They have the greatest of respect for each other and they acknowledge each others greatness without demeaning the other.

Sherlock , 6/18/13 4:42 PM


yeah u r right ........ i guess but it does show a lack of confidence .......... doesn't it ?

isfand , 6/18/13 5:04 PM


Agree with Isfand. Anyone who hates someone is immature and not fully grown as a human-being, anyway.

Sherlock , 6/18/13 5:21 PM


Anyone who hates a player that they never met and who never hurt them in any real way, has a serious problem. It's more than a lack of maturity. The level of hatespeak that has been directed at Rafa by some who purport to be fans of both Fed and Nole, is bordering on pathological.

Nativenewyorker , 6/18/13 8:12 PM


agreed but your opinion holds good for hate speech against all players who have had a clean record

isfand , 6/18/13 10:30 PM


Lots of antagonism and often downright dislike but rarely, if ever, expressed in the violent and distateful language employed by far too many of the so called Federer fans who come here for the sole purpose of slagging off Rafa and starting up fights with fans of other players.

ed251137 , 6/18/13 11:55 PM


isfand,

Of course I agree that it applies for any and all hate speech against all players. However, I also believe that ed makes a very good point. It's normal to have antagonism and dislike among the respective fan bases of different players. That's just the way of it. But what we have seen recently on this site is entirely something else altogether.

The attacks on Rafa have been intensely personal and beyond vulgar. We have all seen it. I don't know if these few misfits can really be described as true fans of tennis or any player. I think they just want to hate.

Nativenewyorker , 6/19/13 12:42 AM


agreed but such attacks are not limited to Nadal only however they are wrong

isfand , 6/19/13 2:14 AM


island: Agreed the ugliness is not confined to just Rafa and his fans but you have to agree it forms the majority of the attacks on this site in recent years.

ed251137 , 6/19/13 10:21 AM


@ ed
It's only because Rafa is so successful. Oh dearie me there I go....
#SuckingUpAgain
However, having said that, Andy gets loads of "hate" as well :(

deuce , 6/19/13 2:18 PM


Not just successful, deucy, but dared challenge the GOAT.........successfully.

rafaisthebest , 6/19/13 2:48 PM


Yeah, I've noticed the vehemence grows exponentially the more he succeeds but has a long way to go before it reaches the crescendo directed at Rafa

ed251137 , 6/19/13 3:07 PM


federer nadal have been targeted mostly here probably because of their unbelievable achievements and prospects

isfand , 6/19/13 3:52 PM


Rafa more. He was the fly in Fed's peRFect magic GOAT oinment which always will be a bitter pill for the federatti.

#wasGOAT

Conspirator , 6/19/13 5:50 PM


Island: the venomous comments are directed at both Rafa and his fans: whereas it is Fedfans who come under attack much more than Roger himself - usually when they have been provoked beyond endurance. Andy under is targetted from time to time but never so viciously. Ditto Nole for his drama queen act and OTT behaviour. Criticism is one thing but I'm talking about the unbridled unpleasantness and non-stop campaign to belittle Rafa as a person and denigrate his achievements.

ed251137 , 6/19/13 6:23 PM


first i am yet to become an island ;) ........ just joking secondly federer has also been under attack like nadal and no less than him but its wrong because criticism is one thing and what has been going on here is another

isfand , 6/19/13 6:29 PM


Island: time we stopped this discussion ;-)

As Conspirator would say........

#DNFTTs

ed251137 , 6/19/13 6:49 PM


If you want to know how bad it gets, just read seventeen/sienna's posts on some of the topic threads today. That says it all.

Nativenewyorker , 6/19/13 7:29 PM


i have been reading those as well as federer decides draw and a lot of other stuff like fedtartds rafabots etc etc

isfand , 6/20/13 1:02 AM


isfand,

Did you read the ones about Uncle Toni and Rafa's mother by seventeen/sienna? If we had moderation here, they would have been deleted immediately. So please don't start telling me how the same stuff is being said about Fed!

It's sickening to have to read that kind of filth on a tennis forum.

Nativenewyorker , 6/20/13 2:07 AM


@isfand
Do u not think that the scheduling often favours Fed? Especially at the USOpen, but elsewhere. It's possible tournament organisers are responding to media pressure, but stll....:(

deuce , 6/20/13 9:14 AM


"i have been reading those as well as federer decides draw and a lot of other stuff like fedtartds rafabots etc etc -"


Bravo isfand! Well said. Thank you for your perspective. You have to read the kind of conspiracy theories and insinuations and the constant lumping up of Federer/Djokovic fans is the main reason rafa is targetted. They think they are so smart trying to diminsh Federer's /djokovic's achievements claiming weak-eras or rafa being injured very conveniently and so on. The abuse that rafatards like jean/constipator and others of their ilk spew is obviously fine with the yapper and other moral police who are just being hypocritical.

If rafa fans have been saints in their life and given Federer/djokovic the credit they deserve for their achievements without smart-ass "tennis" analysis from tennis-ignorant people like yapper/ed - rafa would get the credit he deserves.

Till then, both parties are culpable. Now let the "unbiased federer-hater" dunce convince you how Federer/Djokovic and his fans deserve the hatred that they get from her pals - ed and yapper. She is leading off with her very persuasive conspiracy theory on sheduling favoring fed. Should you buy that, another of her pal, hold serve will tell you how Federer is the guy who comes up with draws.

Then ed and yapper will tell you how excellent nadal's English is and how he can talk more languages than Djokovic and so the excellent "fairness" towards Federer/Djokovic will continue. Then their rafatrolls jean/constipator step into abuse various non rafa fans like ts38, chr18 and so on.

It is not surprising that this whole charade is absolutely stupid to a guy who can see their rafa blindness - it is their "intelligence" that they think federer/djokovic fans will roll-over and fall for their "fair views and tennis knowledge" and concede that federer fixes the draws and schedule for himself. Then they act surprised that some federer/djokovic fan gives it back good like seventeen does to the constipator.

As you sow, so shall you reap. You demean Federer/Djokovic. You will get paid with interest by people demeaning rafa.

Fedkovic23 , 6/20/13 1:17 PM


do i jump for joy that i was not included in the above exclusive list or what... :-)

phoenix , 6/20/13 1:50 PM


You can. You are yet to make it to the elite level of rafatrolls. Please feel free to abuse some fed or djokovic fans or even better federer/djokovic. If you cannot, atleast try to encourage such morons who can do that.

If you have no spine, you can try the deuce method of sucking upto rafatrolls here and go to tennis-x and suck up to novak fans. i guess you dont have to do that - rafa doesn't match the adulation roger has, but he still has more fans than the 1 or 2 that murray has, so just stick to the earlier part, ok?

Fedkovic23 , 6/20/13 2:52 PM


^^Fedkovic you will see in just a few days time that Andy has far more than just 1 or 2 fans, don't you worry about that one matey.

Twinge , 6/20/13 3:18 PM


Pity the multitude of fans Fed has cannot help him on court. Last time he played Rafa and Muzza, they beat him to a bloody pulp!

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 3:33 PM


Rafaisthebest:

Your actions are an insult to Rafa. Rafa beat federer to a pulp? It is just a bloody sport. I doubt rafa would be too pleased to know someone using his name to hurl hateful comments at Federer. There are many people on the internet misusing rafa's name to advance their personal hatred for other players.

Isfand and Fedkovic23:

I agree with your concerns regarding demeaning other players by rafa fans and vice-versa. I am a tennis fan 1st and Rafa is my favorite of the current lot, but I respect Federer's achievements and Djokovic's too. Unfortunately fans on either side cross the line and a lot of these people are living their lives through these successful people's achievements.

I hope the moderators on this site step up and do their job. Things are getting out of control with people dragging the families of players into their comments.

Sherlock , 6/20/13 8:09 PM


"As you sow, so shall you reap. You demean Federer/Djokovic. You will get paid with interest by people demeaning rafa."

Fedkovic23, 6/20/13 2:52 PM

That sure sounds like a threat to me. Yeah, it takes real guts to say it hiding behind an anonymous screen name.


Nativenewyorker , 6/20/13 8:23 PM


@Sherlock, my actions are an insult to Rafa! How do you know that, do you know him, did he tell you what he likes or does not like? You think Rafa has time for a low life troll like you? You are pathetic.

You are not a Rafan and you come here to tell me what is and what is not insulting to Rafa? I notice you said NOTHING about Fedkovic23's comments or seventeen's comments about Rafa's comments, I guess those are in good order for you.

Listen you little piglet, don't EVER read my posts. Don't EVER mention my name in your posts you stupid troll. It is clear you have no life otherwise you would not take anything said on a sports globe seriously.

Now go roll yourself in a fetal position in your Mum's basement. Idiot.....

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 8:25 PM


One more thing, you are not the moderator on this site. The site is called Tennistalk, so try and do that, talk tennis. Don't come here telling people what to say or do unless people are talking to you specifically, it is not your place.

rafaisthebest , 6/20/13 8:35 PM


Twinge:

Are you trying to argue that murray has more fans than rafa? I dont care for kneedal, but you aint right on that one. Now if you tell me all those rafafarts are morons, and they dont count, I will give you that.

Don't worry, my fight is not with murray or you. If not Fedkovic, I hope murray wins it for the Brits. What has it been.... 150 billion years, for you guys?. Keep kicking rafatroll azz!

yapper: If you have the guts tell me where you want to meet and we can go for a bare-knuckle contest. I bet you suddenly forgot courage and remembered you are a woman and 100 years old. Very convenient. Please donot abuse society being nice to the elderly and provoke youngsters like me. Please dont chicken out now.

epic meltdown from rafaistheworst. It only enhances the point that if you so much as try to be objective, you are subjected to judgement from the rafatrolls. poor guy sherlock, i am sure the rafafarts have driven another sane tennis fan away. This time one of their own. LOL. I read about snakes eating their own babies. Rafatrolls remind me of them.

Cannot expect anything from fans of a guy who has 0 independent thinking. insecure and uncouth. Keep going guys. We all know who are the stupid trolls and who live in their mom's basement - posting on tennistalk all day trying to drive away people who dont shove their head up rafa's behind.

Fedkovic23 , 6/20/13 11:44 PM


'Are you trying to argue that murray has more fans than rafa..'

Er no I'm telling you he has more than '1 or 2 fans'.....
.?!?
Oh and no one 'worries' me here....

Twinge , 6/21/13 12:21 AM


One more time - I am not going to give any credence to a punk who tries to call me out and dare me to meet up with him! What a joke! This is just talk from someone who is desperately trying to build himself up at the expense of others by lying about their age and making up imaginary things about people.

The fact that this joker would even think that a dare posted on a tennis site behind an anonymous screen name, gives him any cred is beyond laughable! Trying to be macho and failing miserably!

Someone who is a legend in his own mind and goes around the internet starting flame wars to feel better about his own pathetic existence!

Nativenewyorker , 6/21/13 12:27 AM


Twinge: I thought you were smarter. Sure murray has more than 1 or 2 fans, but how many have a spine like you to stand up to the rafa trolls? I am sorry I dont count such sycophants as fans of anybody. I can count you as equivalent to 10 murray fans though for sticking up for your guy.

You confident murray going to make it to a final with Nole? Nole will be waiting for your guy. Hope Andy/Roger make it and give us a real final. I sure dont want to see a repeat of the 2011 where novak sleep-walked through the match and still won in 4 sets.

#5-0 outside clay and counting.


Yapper: you got a big mouth for the miserable life you lead. If you were human enough to have pride in what you speak and can really stand for yourself, you wouldn't be leading this worm like life where you have to get other rafatrolls to do your dirty work.

Again, we can meet at a place of your choice. Get cheryl and ricky to be judges and we can have a mano-womano bare-knuckle fight. Donot chicken out spewing your verbal diarrhea.

Fedkovic23 , 6/21/13 2:42 PM


cool down people .................. relax its just tennis

isfand , 6/21/13 4:05 PM


and what about draws prediction .................. glad to see federer decided to put nadal in his quarter murray in his half ;)

isfand , 6/21/13 4:13 PM


@isfand:

They have successfully driven away one peace broker in Sherlock. Poor dude was trying to make the rafatrolls see some sanity and he has been chased away. LOL

You are next in line isfand. You keep trying to support Federer and making fun of their wonderful tennis knowledge by questioning their logic that Federer rigs the draws and schedule, and it is only a matter of time before they use their foulmouth at you, your parents, your family and your kids.

To top it, they will go and beg Cheryl/Ricky to clean up the "foul posts" from federer and djokovic fans.

Tax Free entertainment at how a looney bin works when you see these rafatrolls at work.

Fedkovic23 , 6/22/13 4:10 AM


It's suck-up season alright. First Twinge, now isfand.

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 7:42 AM


@ritb,

You are so right! They are trying desperately to get some to join their posse so that they won't be in the minority. Then they accuse use of doing same. But when they do it, well then it's perfectly all right. Double standard all the way.

I think that Twinge and isfand are smart enough to see through it. Honestly, it's pretty transparent. Also, notice how there is no condemnation or even acknowledgment about seventeen's filthy language in her posts. Not for one of their own.

Nativenewyorker , 6/22/13 8:10 AM


Sorry, I meant to say - they accuse US of doing same!

It's going to be fun reading these lame attempts to get converts to join Haters Anonymous! LOL!

Nativenewyorker , 6/22/13 8:12 AM


@4:10 AM
As long as there are people like you spreading disharmony Sherlock's pleas for sanity will fall on deaf ears.

As for Isfand, from what I've seen he/she is a balanced tennis fan well able to field counter arguments without resorting to the snide personal attacks which inform your contributions.

ed251137 , 6/22/13 8:16 AM


ritb: Have just re-read some of yesterday's comments and realise I may have been fooled by the false conciliatory tone. My bad :-(

ed251137 , 6/22/13 8:33 AM


Well said ed251137 8:16AM

If my calling out Sherlock stops her/him posting on TT, that is her/his call. I strongly objected to her singling my post out as if it was the most offensive out there. That really rankled with me. Anyone who posts regularly on TT will recognize banter and most TT posters engage in this. Any such poster also recognizes the trolls, the hydra and their hateful posts. So sorry, to single out a single post of mine written in the spirit of banter and ignore the really offensive posts littered all over the blog was not acceptable to me.

And of course, the hydra will try to make capital out of it, why would anyone be surprised?

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 8:41 AM


I'm starting to think there is need for a Family Tree to track who are the descendants of which troll.

#HerculeanTask

ed251137 , 6/22/13 8:53 AM


^^^hehehe! Family tree, that's a good one........

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 9:07 AM


ed251137, 6/22/13 8:16 AM,

You have a way with words. You can get to the heart of it directly.

You notice that even these newcomers have commented on the intensity of the hatred from these trolls. People see the truth. They aren't going to be taken in by people who post phony dares online, as though anyone would want to meet up with them in person and take them on, as it were.

rafaisthebest, 6/22/13 8:41 AM,

I know that you don't usually get upset, so I know that bothered you a lot. This idea that anyone here has the power to supposedly drive someone off this site, has become laughable. I don't see any of the trolls who whine about it all the time, being driven off. They are still here spewing out their ugly personal attacks and trying to get new recruits. They are not even subtle about it.

Nativenewyorker , 6/22/13 9:52 AM


And we all know who is the past master at that game.......................

#IAOTTGI

ed251137 , 6/22/13 10:14 AM


@nny, thanks. Good point about our powers to drive posters away. Can't be that potent because the trolls and hydra are still here, no?

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 10:41 AM


^^^^^^may be we aren't trying hard enough. lol.

ed251137 , 6/22/13 10:48 AM


......a d what rankled with me about Sherlock's post was not so much what she said but the fact that she, as a non-regular or new poster, chose to pick on me without an understanding of the context of the regular discussions on here. As a new poster, I would have expected her to limit her posts to tennis talk, while getting to know the posters and the discussions that drive them. Regular posters have to ut up with abuse on a regular basis from known quarters and for a new person to then just come and pick a side as it were, no that was too much.

Anyway, that is water under the bridge now, roll on Wimby!!

rafaisthebest , 6/22/13 10:52 AM


Like you I am allergic to newcomers who take their cue from a few posts they have read and randomly add their twopenniesworth. Hey ho, that's the internet for you.

ed251137 , 6/22/13 11:08 AM


@Fedkovic,

Dont bother with grandmas. Forget a bareknuckle fight I offered the 2 elderly ladies ed and yapper a tennis match. I also extended the courtesy to other rafabots - like rafaisthecrap and crapserve.

Obviously, these people have never played tennis, yet they come here to educate people about the "technicalities of the game". You should some of their posts analysing the top players' games. You will see some of the most stupid stuff - then again, rafabots' ignorance is documented. Most of them have close to 0 tennis knowledge, playing experience, yet they think they are discussing "tennis" when it is their ignorant comments about how rafa is a credible force outside clay - he has less titles than Federer and Djokovic outside clay and spanning 3 surfaces - grass, hardcourts and indoors. Yet, they will argue that nadal is a complete player.

He is just a clay courter who has taken advantage of the gap between the Federer/Djokovic era. Federer started declining in 2008 and Novak ascended to the no.1 throne in 2011. In between, claydal won his 4 non-clay slams.

He was opportunistic like Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Rafter, Ivanisevic, Thomas Johannason and Agassi who made merry between 98 USO and 2004 AO when Pete was in decline and Federer was yet to ascend to no.1 . Once Federer took over, only Safin won a GS from that group. Till 2008, even claydal did squat outside clay.

Unless, Novak and Murray decide to show claydal some mercy, the guy is done winning slams outside clay. I doubt he will survive the whole draw. Look for a retirement or withdrawal from the tournament with the convenient "knee injury".

JamesDjokovicFan , 6/22/13 6:14 PM


okay JamesDjokovicFan,

Since you keep on insisting to play actual tennis as to cover your loserself, come over here in the Philippines and let's play tennis. I will certainly make you eat the dirt, grass and I'll offer you a cemented grave after our matches on clay, grass and cement.

Raindrops , 6/23/13 1:07 PM


You are nitwit idiot, a fan of particular sports does not necessarily play the game. Here is is a very simple example: look at the common movie fans, mostly are not actors. You see how I made you looked idiot?

Raindrops , 6/23/13 1:11 PM


LOL Raindrops. Can you imagine what will happen to the world if all people who follow MMA can actually throw anybody around...I'll start with that ovic if I can. :-)

phoenix , 6/23/13 1:23 PM



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