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  • French Open draw analysis: Djokovic, Nadal on same side

    2013-05-24 20:38:10


    Same side.

     

    Let’s start with the good news...which is, of course, that the French Open final matchup is no longer a foregone conclusion because we know it won’t be Novak Djokovic vs. Rafael Nadal. The other half of the draw could be outrageously entertaining, with its spot in the title match almost completely up for grabs. Yes, Roger Federer is a considerable favorite and Ferrer is an obvious second choice, but in reality anything could happen. From start to finish, we should be in for a wild ride in the bottom half of the bracket.

     

    The bad news, of course, is that the final is going to make Alabama vs. Notre Dame look like an instant classic. This tournament is two days away from starting and we already know that the two best players in the world—on any surface, and especially on clay—will not face each other for the championship.

     

    That is buzzkill, to be sure, but it also makes a breakdown of the entire draw even more worthwhile. After all, all hell could break loose on one of the sides.

     

    Djokovic’s quarter

     

    Djokovic could have a fared a lot better at the draw ceremony, but it also could have been much worse. His nearest Top 8 seed could have been Tomas Berdych, who stunned the Serb earlier this month in Rome. It could have been Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, who had match points against Djokovic last year in the Roland Garros quarterfinals. Instead, it is one Janko Tipsarevic. If the world No. 1 somehow loses prior to the semis, it won’t be to Tipsarevic. The upset would come against either Grigor Dimitrov (extremely unlikely, as the Bulgarian has never showed signs of being able to go five sets) in the third round or to someone not named Tipsarevic in the quarters.

     

    Interestingly, two of the three French Open participants who have defeated Djokovic this season are in the top section of the draw. One is Dimitrov (in Rome) and the other is Tommy Haas (in Miami). Assuming Haas has no lingering effects from a cold that caused him to withdraw from Dusseldorf, the 35-year-old German should be able to capitalize on the hand has been dealt in Paris. In fact, he may not have to face a single seed prior to the quarters. John Isner is slumping and has to play Carlos Berlocq in round one, Mikhail Youzhny faces a similarly tough opener against Pablo Andujar, and there really isn’t anything to say about Tipsarevic these days.

     

    Best first-round matchup — (19) John Isner vs. Carlos Berlocq

     

    An intriguing contrast in style will be on display when these two veterans clash in the first round. Isner would much rather contest this one a fast hard court, but he has enjoyed some clay-court success in the past (took Nadal to five sets at the 2011 French Open, beat Federer last year in Davis Cup, won the Houston title earlier this season). Berlocq had a breakout 2012 campaign at 29 years old that included a runner-up finish in Vina del Mar. With Isner in dreadful form on European clay and Berlocq coming off a disappointing Nice loss to Paul-Henri Mathieu, it’s hard to pinpoint a favorite. This may not feature tennis of the highest quality, but it should be an interesting thriller.

     

    Best potential second-round matchup – (22) Alexandr Dolgopolov vs. Bernard Tomic
    Best potential third-round matchup – (1) Novak Djokovic vs. (26) Grigor Dimitrov

     

    Possible surprises – Tipsarevic is by far the weakest of the Top 8 seeds and based on current form he is one of the worst Top 8 seeds in the history of Grand Slams. As such, the other quarterfinal spot here is entirely wide open—and not just to fellow seeds Haas, Isner, and Youzhny. Andujar and Fernando Verdasco have a great chance of meeting in an all-unseeded, all-Spanish third-round showdown and the winner would have a realistic shot at winning his fourth-rounder. In fact, every seeded player other than Djokovic in this section is vulnerable, so multiple unseeded floaters are in line to make moves into the second week.

     

    Nadal’s quarter

     

    There may be some entertainment elsewhere in the section, but the ultimate outcome is not in doubt. Nadal is making it to the semifinals. Nobody nearby can touch him. Richard Gasquet? Doesn’t have the belief. Stanislas Wawrinka? Not 100 percent and jut got clobbered by Nadal in Madrid. Jerzy Janowicz? Not on clay. Lukas Rosol? Please. Don’t even go there. Nadal-Rosol in the third round would be the most over-hyped match of all time. It would generate a tone of interest based on what happened last summer at Wimbledon (a five-set Rosol upset), but on clay and with Nadal it dominant form at the moment it will result in a three-set humiliation if it comes to fruition.

     

    Speaking of huge hitters who could trouble Nadal on surfaces outside clay, Janowicz has an interesting draw on his hands. The fiery Pole opens with Albert Ramos, to whom he just lost in Barcelona. If he exacts some revenge, Janowicz would be in line for a third-round showdown with Wawrinka before possibly running into familiar foe Gasquet. Janowicz and Gasquet have already faced each other twice this season. Somewhat unexpectedly, Gasquet took their hard-court encounter in Indian Wells while Janowicz got the best of their clay-court meeting in Rome.

     

    Best first-round matchup — (24) Benoit Paire vs. Marcos Baghdatis

     

    One of these guys is surging into prominence right now…. The other is Baghdatis. Paire has 18 ATP-level match victories this season (double that of his first-round opponent) and he is coming off a semifinal appearance in Rome. The 24-year-old Frenchman, who is quickly becoming somewhat of a cult hero (only in part due to impressive tennis), is up to a career-high ranking of No. 26 in the world. Baghdatis has lost in the first round of his last six tournaments (including one Challenger) and he has won only two matches since getting a retirement from Paire in the Rotterdam first round. Still, the Cypriot’s talent is undeniable and there is no telling when he will get back on track. It may not be at Roland Garros, but if nothing else this encounter should at least provide some awesome shot-making. And how about this for a first-round matchup? Michal Przysiezny and Rhyne Williams just played each in the final round of qualifying (Przysiezny won 6-4, 6-4 but Williams got in as a lucky loser) and now they will square off again in the main draw.

     

    Best potential second-round matchup – (27) Fabio Fognini vs. Lukas Rosol
    Best potential third-round matchup – (9) Stanislas Wawrinka vs. (21) Jerzy Janowicz

     

    Possible surprises — Rosol is not beating Nadal in the third round nor is he even making it competitive. In fact, Rosol probably won’t make it far enough to even face Nadal. So let’s just get that out of the way. None of the unseeded players are good enough to take advantage of the Paire-Kei Nishikori section of the draw, so Nadal will go up against either Paire or Nishikori in round four. If there’s a surprise, it will come in the other half of this quarter. And if it does, look for it to be Ramos. The Spaniard knows he can beat Janowicz and a possible third-round encounter with Wawrinka suddenly looks winnable due to the Swiss’ thigh injury.

     

    Ferrer’s quarter

     

    The story of the quarter is and will continue to be the difficulty it presents Berdych. At least in terms of marquee name recognition, the must-see match of the entire first round is Berdych vs. Gael Monfils. On paper it’s a lopsided matchup, but Monfils appears to be sufficiently rounding into form just in time for the year’s second Grand Slam. Whoever wins will have to face a red-hot Ernests Gulbis (assuming the Latvian disposes of Rogerio Dutra Silva), who is 19-7 at the ATP level in 2013 and has two near-misses against Nadal. That side of the quarter also features clay-court aficionados Nicolas Almagro, Andreas Seppi, and Tommy Robredo.

     

    This whole bracket also sets up perfectly for Ferrer, who can once again quietly go about his business with no recognition of any kind. While everyone focuses on Berdych, Ferrer should make mincemeat out of a glorious draw through three rounds. After that he will likely have to face one of two big hitters in the form of Milos Raonic or Kevin Anderon, but either one on clay is a good matchup for the Spaniard. This is Ferrer’s best and maybe last chance to reach a major final.

     

    Best first-round matchup — (5) Tomas Berdych vs. Gael Monfils

     

    Woe, thy name is Berdych. On the bright side, he cannot face either Djokovic or Nadal until the final and thus has a realistic shot of making it all the way to championship Sunday. But the good news begins and ends right there for the sixth-ranked Czech. Berdych’s quarter is brutal, and it begins right away with Monfils. The oft-injured Frenchman had been ice cold, but he won the Bordeaux Challenger last week and currently finds himself in the Nice title match. Berdych, meanwhile, is 29-10 this season and recently advanced to semifinals in both Madrid and Rome. Even if the fifth seed beats Monfils (which he should, but not before extreme entertainment), Gulbis would almost certainly be up next. Also take note of Blaz Kavic vs. James Duckworth, a rematch of an exhausting Aussie Open second-round thriller won by Kavcic 3-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-7(3), 10-8.

     

    Best potential second-round matchup – (5) Tomas Berdych vs. Ernests Gulbis
    Best potential third-round matchup – (14) Milos Raonic vs. (23) Kevin Anderson

     

    Possible surprises — The way the Gulbis bandwagon has been filling of late, it would be impossible to consider a semifinal run a “surprise” even though he is unseeded. Heck, that may even be the majority pick! Only a semifinalist not named Ferrer, Berdych, or Gulbis would qualify as an unexpected result. The winner of a third-rounder between Raonic and Anderson will have a shot, as will many others. Don’t forget about Seppi, who has been doing an ol’ rope-a-dope with some positively dismal clay-court results over the last two months. The Italian advanced to the Roland Garros fourth round last year and led Djokovic two sets to love before ultimately succumbing 4-6, 6-7(5), 6-3, 7-5, 6-3.

     

    Federer’s quarter

     

    Federer could not have hand-picked the draw any better; not only his own quarter, but the entire thing. Well, that is until his first-round qualifier became none other than Pablo Carreno-Busta. Still, even though Federer drew arguably the most dangerous of the qualifiers, his path to the semis and ultimately the final could not be more favorable. The third-ranked Swiss will get another qualifier in round two (likely Somdev Devvarman) before a potential date with a slumping Julien Benneteau. Possible fourth-round opponents for Federer include nobody more daunting than Gilles Simon, Sam Querrey or Lleyton Hewitt. It is not unrealistic to think that the 2009 champion’s toughest test prior to the quarterfinals will come right away from PCB. Can you say cakewalk?

     

    The case may not be the tsame for Tsonga on the other tside of this tsection. Both of the Dusseldorf finalists—Jarkko Nieminen and Juan Monaco—are potential roadblocks; Nieminen in the second round and Monaco two stages later. This is a huge opportunity for both players, especially Monaco. The Argentine’s nearest seed is Marin Cilic, who has lost four of five matches on clay since reaching the Miami quarterfinals. Also watch out for Jeremy Chardy, who made a major run at the last slam (quarterfinals Down Under) and has a favorable draw through two rounds in Paris before a potential all-French showdown against Tsonga.

     

    Best first-round matchup — (30) Julien Benneteau vs. Ricardas Berankis

     

    On paper, Simon vs. Hewitt is the pick of the first round in this section. However, that literally might be the worst of all possible matchups for Hewitt. The 32-year-old Australian is 0-3 lifetime against Simon, has never won a set, and has never made a single set closer than 6-3. Simon, a younger version of Hewitt, can do everything his opponent can do and he can do all of it better. Benneteau vs. Berankis should be a far more competitive affair. Although they are at very different points in their careers, both  men are in similar need of a win. Benneteau has lost seven of his last eight matches and Berankis has not recorded a victory since making a nice run to the Houston quarterfinals (upset Haas in the second round).

     

    Best potential second-round matchup – (6) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga vs. Jarkko Nieminen
    Best potential third-round matchup – (15) Gilles Simon vs. (18) Sam Querrey

     

    Possible surprises — Simon is going to be Federer’s fourth-round opponent only because he has an incredible draw through three rounds. That match will be unduly hyped because the Frenchman has defeated Federer twice in the past, but it’s not happening again. If things get turned upside down in this section, it will be a Tsonga loss to Nieminen in the second round or to Monaco in the last 16. Monaco was hopeless at the beginning of this season, but he won two matches in Houston, Monte-Carlo (lost to Djokovic in three sets) and Barcelona and currently finds himself in the Dusseldorf final. If momentum has come without the expense of fatigue, Pico could make a real run at Roland Garros.

     

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Jeez, cut to the chase, will ya Ricky? Who's your pick to win come Championship Sunday? You better not pick Rafa, go with your usual pick please: Novak..

#AntiJinxology

rafaisthebest , 5/25/13 9:22 AM


RT @scambers73: " Lot of criticism of Novak Djokovic's bizarre request, via tournament staff, not to discuss RG draw. He won't be doing that again in a hurry "

rafaisthebest , 5/25/13 10:08 AM


Roger Federer along with the bottom bracket has earned the right to play tomorrow on opening day giving him the advantage over the two weeks if there are any weather delays.

As defending champ.... No wait

As runner up no that's not right either...

As Genius At Work and opponent to two successive qualifiers in the first two rounds,, we should expect no less from the French.

#NID

Conspirator , 5/25/13 11:05 AM


Why does Novak Djokovic always draw Roger Federer?



15 times out of the last 18.

2008 AO: #1 Federer - #3 Djokovic; #2 Nadal - #4 Davydenko

2008 RG: #1 Federer - #4 Davydenko; #2 Nadal - #3 Djokovic

2008 W: #1 Federer - #3 Djokovic; #2 Nadal - #4 Davydenko

2008 USO: #1 Nadal - #4 Ferrer; #2 Federer - #3 Djokovic




2009 AO: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Federer - #3 Djokovic

2009 RG: #1 Nadal - #3 Murray; #2 Federer - #4 Djokovic

2009 W: #1 Nadal - #3 Murray; #2 Federer - #4 Djokovic

2009 USO: #1 Federer - #4 Djokovic; #2 Murray - #3 Nadal




2010 AO: #1 Federer - #3 Djokovic; #2 Nadal - #4 JMDP

2010 RG: #1 Federer - #4 Murray; #2 Nadal - #3 Djokovic

2010 W: #1 Federer - #3 Djokovic; #2 Nadal - #4 Murray
2010 USO: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Federer - #3 Djokovic




2011 AO: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Federer - #3 Djokovic

2011 RG: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Djokovic - #3 Federer

2011 W: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Djokovic - #3 Federer

2011 USO: #1 Djokovic - #3 Federer; #2 Nadal - #4 Murray



2012 AO: #1 Djokovic - #4 Murray; #2 Nadal - #3 Federer
2012 RG: #1 Djokovic - #3 Federer; #2 Nadal - #4 Murray



15 times out of the last 18. lol




15 times out of the last 18.

2008 AO: #1 Federer - #3 Djokovic; #2 Nadal - #4 Davydenko

2008 RG: #1 Federer - #4 Davydenko; #2 Nadal - #3 Djokovic

2008 W: #1 Federer - #3 Djokovic; #2 Nadal - #4 Davydenko

2008 USO: #1 Nadal - #4 Ferrer; #2 Federer - #3 Djokovic




2009 AO: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Federer - #3 Djokovic

2009 RG: #1 Nadal - #3 Murray; #2 Federer - #4 Djokovic

2009 W: #1 Nadal - #3 Murray; #2 Federer - #4 Djokovic

2009 USO: #1 Federer - #4 Djokovic; #2 Murray - #3 Nadal




2010 AO: #1 Federer - #3 Djokovic; #2 Nadal - #4 JMDP

2010 RG: #1 Federer - #4 Murray; #2 Nadal - #3 Djokovic

2010 W: #1 Federer - #3 Djokovic; #2 Nadal - #4 Murray
2010 USO: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Federer - #3 Djokovic




2011 AO: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Federer - #3 Djokovic

2011 RG: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Djokovic - #3 Federer

2011 W: #1 Nadal - #4 Murray; #2 Djokovic - #3 Federer

2011 USO: #1 Djokovic - #3 Federer; #2 Nadal - #4 Murray



2012 AO: #1 Djokovic - #4 Murray; #2 Nadal - #3 Federer
2012 RG: #1 Djokovic - #3 Federer; #2 Nadal - #4 Murray


rogervic , 5/25/13 11:58 AM


Why does Novak Djokovic always draw Roger Federer?


http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=425383

rogervic , 5/25/13 12:00 PM


There is a dirty strategy by the side of a tournament in these clearly.

Finally Nadal ranks 4th, and the dirty strategy became impossible.



( The side in which last year also has Roger and the same Novak. Nadal and David Ferrar were the same sides. as usual. )



this is very rare.

rogervic , 5/25/13 12:02 PM


Tsonga. he could give the French crowd a real treat. french will back Tsonga over Roger.

rogervic , 5/25/13 12:12 PM


good luck Roger.

good luck Djoker.

rogervic , 5/25/13 12:15 PM


That streak stopped when Nole got better and started to beat Federer. You are right that it is a dirty strategy though as is allowing him to play first. Glad you agree RogerLoverF.

The French would never back someone over Federer regardless if they are French.

They will cheer for Nole over Rafa though because of Rafa repeatedly embarrassing Fed.

#Coincidence?

Conspirator , 5/25/13 12:34 PM


I think it's true that Nole always seems to be playing Federer before the finals at the majors, but to be honest, I don't know much about the system of drawing. And except for the fact that Federer has a quarter of a draw that would have Hanescu dancing in joy, it doesn't really matter when Rafa gets to play Nole because if they do meet, the winner of this WILL win RG. So, Federer is a moot point.

childishgambino , 5/25/13 12:54 PM


oh, don't worry. nadal will win. nadal Garros. lol

rogervic , 5/25/13 12:59 PM


rogervic , 5/25/13 1:00 PM


Not the point.

The point is Nole was carefully not randomly put in Feds half for 13 straigh non-clay majors for five straight years up to and including 2011 USO when Novak proved he'd become a much different prospect for Fed.

#Coincidence?

Conspirator , 5/25/13 1:06 PM


rogervic , 5/25/13 1:08 PM


I think the French should make an exception regarding nationality and when Nadal retires, name one of the courts after him...

On court Rafael Nadal we have Aleksander Dimitrov - Grigor and Maria's son - playing Jules Paire, the son of the almost great Benoit :))))

childishgambino , 5/25/13 1:09 PM


I expect that there can be Djokovic by the 1st place for a long time. Like a Roger.


Although nobody is avoided as for a decline of age.

rogervic , 5/25/13 1:21 PM


http://espn.go.com/sports/tennis/picks/_/tournament/13

rafaisthebest , 5/25/13 1:31 PM


@rafaisthebest as i said, federer is out of any conversation for winning RG this year. 5-4 in favor of Rafa for the men's winner. I think it will be this close if it comes to that semifinal match...

childishgambino , 5/25/13 1:36 PM


@childishgambino, none of the ESPN analysts have picked Federer, I am not picking him either.

Goran Ivanisevic has told The Tennis Space that Novak Djokovic must hope for rain in Paris ? arguing that the Serbian can only beat Rafael Nadal in wet conditions:

http://www.thetennisspace.com/goran-ivanisevic-djokovic-needs-rain -in-paris/

Well, the way the weather is right now in Paris and the forecasts being for same in the 1st week, the rain Gods must be Serbian!

rafaisthebest , 5/25/13 2:12 PM


He might be hoping for damp conditions, but I doubt he will be hoping for rain.
He lost the FO if you recall in drizzle on a double fault.
Agree with the posts saying that Novak isn't a lock for the semi final anyway (although Rafa is)
But if they do meet then no one can be sure what will happen, not just because its sport etc
But simply due to the last time they met it was clear that Novak had Rafa's number, he got thumped quite simply!
Still Rafa has upped his game in the meantime but we will have to see how it plays out.

Twinge , 5/25/13 2:22 PM


If Rafa and Novak meet on a dry sunny day, I am backing Rafa to romp to a win. However, if it is cold, damp and rainy reducing the playing surface to a borg, then Novak will have a chance.

Suggests all persons praying to rain Gods and such be declared evil heathens and banned forthwith.........

rafaisthebest , 5/25/13 2:37 PM


'However, if it is cold, damp and rainy reducing the playing surface to a borg..'

A Borg?
Is bjorn's second name now another word for muddiness or dampness,
Too bad for him
Haha!

Twinge , 5/25/13 2:50 PM


^^^^Hahaha, among my many talents is thinking in a language I cannot speak, this time being Swedish!

Should read, "bog"......

rafaisthebest , 5/25/13 2:54 PM


Sunday OOP:

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/schedule/index.html

rafaisthebest , 5/25/13 4:05 PM


As I said earlier, I'm more concerned about the weather than any of Rafa's opponents.

Nole only took a set from Rafa while they were playing in the pouring rain and the court was slop.

#PleaseDontTakeMySunshineAway
#ClimateChange
#AnInconvenien tTruth

Conspirator , 5/25/13 4:59 PM


He did, Rafa was clearly the dominant player
But this is another year after the year before injury etc
And last year was too as Novak was not riding the mark 2 wave quite the same way
Having lost to Rafa in both prior clay bouts.
It's not only the weather that can be subject to conditions of course.
Rafa is not a sure thing for RG
But it looks quite good at least...

Twinge , 5/25/13 5:32 PM


No one is a sure thing today.

The only sure thing was Fed on anything but clay from 2004-07 before Rafa and Nole spoiled the show.

#wasGOAT

Conspirator , 5/25/13 9:24 PM


Ah who am I kidding? In five set clay court tournaments, Rafa is more of a sure thing than Fed ever was.

#75-1
#YouCannotBeSerious!!!
#KingOfTennis

Conspirator , 5/25/13 9:27 PM


rogervic aka tennisnba , you missed the point entirely. Fed did NOT draw Djoko in RG till 2011 (except in 2009). He drew Djoko in all non clay tournaments. Which proves the suspicion that the draws are rigged in favor of Fed.
On non clay surfaces Fed preferred Djoko to Muzza ( unfavorable h2h with Muzza) but on clay Djoko was clearly superior to Muzza.
In 2011 and 2012, Fed was no. 3 so he got Djoko in his half as the alternative was getting Rafa in his half.
If there are any lingering doubts about the draws and schedules being made to suit Fed, they must be set to rest when you see how Fed is playing first at RG although he is neither the no. 1 seed nor the defending champion.
The same thing had happened at USO 2010 when in violation of all convention Fed played first although he was neither the top seed nor the defending champion.
However, I am superstitious and seeing how the draw has been rigged against Rafa and Fed is given the favorable schedule just as it happened in USO 2010, I am hopeful that the draw will open up for Rafa and he will reach the finals in great condition.
With the joke of a draw Fed has with qualifiers and a not fit unstable Tsonga and the only threat being Ferrer who is in awe of Fed, it will require real bad play from Fed to keep him from going to the finals.

holdserve , 5/26/13 3:02 AM


You conveniently left out the fact that the defending USO champ did not return to defend his title in 2010. Remember Delpo?

chr18 , 5/26/13 3:29 AM


So how is that relevant to the fact that Fed played first?

If according to you, Fed as runner up was a stand in for missing defending champ Delpo and it was as defending champ he played first in 2010, then Rafa should have played first in 2011 as he was the defending champ. But no, once again it was dear Fed.
So what's your point?

holdserve , 5/26/13 5:26 AM


Only wimbledon has the tradition of scheduling the defending champion on the 1st day. The other Grandslams have never had any tradition of defending champion opening the play on centercourt.

The French are just following simple event rules by scheduling the greatest icon in our sport on the extra sunday they have. Remember the french hate nadal. He was booed off the court after Soderling beat him in 20009. Yannick noah, the last French guy to win a French Open suspects that nadal and other spannish players do not play the sport clean.

Federer is the favorite of tennis fans by a mile. He has been winning the ATP fan favorite since 2003..... 10 times in a row. too bad, the tennis talk nadal fans can do nothing other than whine about Federer here.

Fedkovic23 , 5/26/13 6:04 AM


All I can say is that GS draws were made against Nole. That's from a Nole's supporter POV ;). He would be getting Roger on all the non clay GSs while drawing Rafa on RG (except 2011 and 2012 when he was #1 in race pts.). And even as a #1 for a couple or years, he is getting tougher draws than others. It does matter :)

danica , 5/26/13 8:42 AM


PS: Hmmmm, I am not sure about all this talk of rain and cold as an advantage for Nole. Even on a sunny day, he needs time to get into the match and warm up. Remember the obvious example - last year, before the final was suspended, he was leading by a break in the fourth set. I was sure he would lose that advantage come the next day. Add to that damp and cold conditions and you have a formula for a lousy performance.

The match with Haas in Miami is another good example. A defending champion was scheduled to play at dead night and in cold. Haas played beautifully, but Novak seemed off and not just because Tommy was so good.

All in all, I am excited and eager to see some darn good tennis :). I say - bring it on already! :)

danica , 5/26/13 9:43 AM


danica
, 5/26/13 8:42 AM

You are right in nole case when it was in clay..Due to rigged draws Rafa is finding tough draws(in clay nole, in others murray) untill 2011

venkianz , 5/26/13 10:22 AM


"
Rafa has a record of not wanting to defend titles, so if organisors have choice they choose the most reliable guy.

Whenever Rafa feels he has a though draw he is capable of throwing the towel.

Wembley 09 and olympic 12.

Scared litle vase he was back then.

Besides Fed is airways a better pick for any organiser , bigger fanbase , more crowdsupport etc...."
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Nice to see that even Fedtard idiot admits draw and schedule riggings and fixing :)
BTW... Anyone knows why the first match plays... well... you know who, Good Old Fake with ugly haircut :)

zare , 5/26/13 10:57 AM


Anyone knows why the first match plays... well... you know who, Good Old Fake with ugly haircut :)

zare, 5/26/13 10:57 AM

This isn't english. Try again.

Scrotracker , 5/26/13 11:22 AM


"All I can say is that GS draws were made against Nole. That's from a Nole's supporter POV ;). He would be getting Roger on all the non clay GSs while drawing Rafa on RG (except 2011 and 2012 when he was #1 in race pts.). And even as a #1 for a couple or years, he is getting tougher draws than others. It does matter :)"

Agree with you on that. Even in 2011 and 2012 RG he got the tougher of the options - Federer and Murray. Nole might have won a calendar GrandSlam in 2011 if he drew Murray and not Federer. He did catch a break at the 2012 US open and 2013 Australian, and got the easier of the options. Now, it is business as usual. Tough draw again.

JamesDjokovicFan , 5/26/13 1:53 PM


"Anyone knows why the first match plays... well... you know who, Good Old Fake with ugly haircut :)

zare, 5/26/13 10:57 AM

This isn't english. Try again.
Scrotracker, 5/26/13 11:22 AM"
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Scoretrasher.. . so you didn't understand it?? Why comment then... ?
Try again...LOL

zare , 5/26/13 2:52 PM


"Are you a Serb? simple little smallminded person you are."
So what if I am Serb?? That makes me smallminded person?
You little peace of chauvinist sh1t... What's that nickname ...? Your IQ???
DRAW goes by the rules for seeders... rest of it is "random", or it should be!!!
Scheduling is another example of fixing and rigging for Mirka's pet.
Who is opening RG? No1... no! Multiple champion... NO!
Mr. Fakeder is not sure that this cakedraw is enough... he needs more help!
Nice to see that you admit that also.
What a idiot!

zare , 5/26/13 4:17 PM


Nothing wrong with the English scrote, go get re-educated, won't ya? And take seventeen-20-10 mf wanker with you. It is just as stupid arguing with itself about draw and schedule, what brought this creature out of the crap hole?

jean , 5/26/13 4:19 PM


from Jean 5/26/13 4:19pm

"And take seventeen-20-10 MF WANKER with you. "

Ricky and Cheryl, where do you draw the line? I know you have to please rafabots to get your hits, but please let us know how far we can take it or only rafabots are allowed to do so?

JamesDjokovicFan , 5/26/13 4:38 PM


Hey there little whinny kid, go check the other threads, I used the same words/language that seventeen used but I see you conveniently overlooked that. Any reason for that??

jean , 5/26/13 4:49 PM


Have you grown a pair yet, James-fag?

jean , 5/26/13 4:58 PM


^^^He can't, he's a eunuch. Hence the high-pitched whining......

rafaisthebest , 5/26/13 5:04 PM


The new rash of posters are a bunch of morons who know nothing about tennis. While tennis is entertainment, it is essentially a sport and it is supposed to follow rules. The game itself has rules and so do the draw and scheduling. The emphasis is on fair play and transparency. Rigging draws and schedules to suit the crowd favorite isn't fair play and is cheating.
Everybody knows that whoever plays first has an advantage because of weather uncertainties. Repeatedly giving Fed this advantage is cheating.
Fed's 17 slams have been won on the back of this cheating. In 2007 Wimbledon, while everyone else played back to matches in the second week, Federer did not. Nole retired with injuries and Rafa came with injuries and exhaustion to the final. For 4 sets he had the upper hand. Bu in the 5th set, his knee injury was giving him too much trouble and he lost.
Even Fed was relieved to win, so close was his annihilation. He said at the trophy ceremony that he was glad to win as many as he could before Rafa could win them all.

The closeness of this encounter convinced observers that Fed was declining or Rafa was rising. And it was clear that but for the scheduling it was Rafa who would be holding up the trophy.
It is disgraceful that the tour organizers are giving in to the pressure from the sponsors to distort tennis history with fake achievements won on the back of blatant cheating.

holdserve , 5/26/13 5:30 PM


@ holdserve, not to worry................they can run but they CANNOT hide!!!!!

Monalysa , 5/26/13 5:39 PM


@jamesdokovicfan
re seventeen@ 3.28. OK to be racist?
but not OK to use "bad language?"
Double standards at work.

deuce , 5/26/13 5:40 PM


The probability that in a short space of time 4 posters would join this site all claiming affiliation to Fed-Djokoic, all with zero knowledge of tennis, all spewing filth at Rafa fans, all with subzero IQ, is so small that we have to conclude that they are not all different persons.
We should leave this many headed hydra to converse with itself since the mods obviously have no objection to this creature polluting the tennistalk environment with filth which by no stretch of imagination can be classified as tennis talk.

holdserve , 5/26/13 5:41 PM


Have you grown a pair yet, James-fag?
jean, 5/26/13 4:58 PM

Be careful jean. Some of your Nadal fans are offended by this kind of talk.

chr18 , 5/26/13 6:19 PM


MY Nadal fans? I don't own any Nadal fans. Unlike scum like James-fag, twit-twinge-fag, Novakidiotfag, seventeen-20-10 and the like, Nadal fans are their own persons. They don't talk to themselves on forums/blogs like these gutter rats do!

jean , 5/26/13 6:24 PM


MY Nadal fans? I don't own any Nadal fans. Unlike scum like James-fag, twit-twinge-fag, Novakidiotfag, seventeen-20-10 and the like, Nadal fans are their own persons. They don't talk to themselves on forums/blogs like these gutter rats do!
jean, 5/26/13 6:24 PM

Meltdown accelerating I see. I wonder if this is acceptable language for this site?

chr18 , 5/26/13 6:46 PM


wow zare is sensitive about serbia. Maybe for the same reason that djokovic was sensitive about hearing who he has been drawn against.

#scared

Scrotracker , 5/26/13 7:06 PM


Jean clearly hasn't had a s**g in over 20 years.
Perhaps we could organise a fund here and all chip in to pay someone to....you know?
I can only hope there is enough of us to help who are kind enough & with deep enough pockets given her, er 'difficulties' and how much money would actually be required to entice anything human with a pair of eyes in their heads to execute the deed
and a nose for that matter...
;-)

Twinge , 5/26/13 7:13 PM


deuce, 5/26/13 5:40 PM,

I'm glad someone pointed out the racist comment. That has no place here. The whining from some of these new so-called Djokovic fans is pathetic. It's too bad that these losers not only don't care about Djokovic or anyone else, but they are not even tennis fans.

Nativenewyorker , 5/26/13 8:42 PM


holdserve, 5/26/13 5:41 PM,

Thank you for saying this. The only reason it's going on is because the mods are allowing it.

Nativenewyorker , 5/26/13 8:53 PM


NNY,
I noticed you have said nothing about jean's remarks. I suppose they're perfectly fine for you.

chr18 , 5/26/13 9:48 PM


chr18 the self admitted homophobe and RACIST.

Disgusting. I'm glad the moderators removed those comments.

Conspirator , 5/26/13 10:22 PM


When Fakeder says he thinks only about next match... that's sublime and scoretrasher has multiple orgasm. When Nole says the same, Nole is scared...LOL...
But, the life is easy for scoretrasher, he is so educated... he knows who were Yankees!
We will see who will laugh in the end :)
You and 17IQ deserve each other.

zare , 5/26/13 10:26 PM


chr18,

If you want to be honest, there are double standards all over the place. However there are some things that should never be said about anyone, specifically attacks based on gender, race or ethnicity.

The key is how it starts. There are a few people who have swarmed this site recently with screen names supposedly suggesting that they are fans of Fed and Nole. They are fans of no one! They are not here to discuss tennis. They are here to harass, instigate and inflame.

Then if someone responds, these same people point the finger and go - ooh ooh, look what they said! As though it somehow justifies their initial attack. I don't like profanity from anyone. But if the comments don't get deleted, then people think it's okay and it gets out of hand.

Nativenewyorker , 5/26/13 11:21 PM


NNY,
I noticed you have said nothing about jean's remarks. I suppose they're perfectly fine for you.
chr18, 5/26/13 9:48 PM

The Nadal fans won't say anything about this jean creature.
It's all bullshit and in fact they see her as on of 'them'
She's does all the dirty little things that they don't want to lower themselves to do you see.
But wish they had the spines to..
;-)

Twinge , 5/27/13 12:16 AM


@Sheila 5/26/13 10:22 PM

It's obvious to anybody that the moderators haven't removed any comments today. Nobody's falling for your imaginary deleted posts bit any longer. Come up with something new.
Furthermore, since you're a self admitted homosexual I would have thought that jean's comments would have offended you.

NNY,
There is also someone here who posts as Conspirator, willmw, Scrotracker, hawkeye and Novaksuckmyd**Djokovic. Perhaps that person should grow up. I don't know how many Fed/Djoker hybrids there are. It's very possible that new fans have joined and it's multiple people but it's very obvious to all that have been here for a long time that the first poster has those multiple names.

chr18 , 5/27/13 12:33 AM


Willmw & Conspirator are not the same poster.
Conspirator is smart,
Willmw is not.

Twinge , 5/27/13 12:45 AM


Fedkovic. James, seventeen and Novakisthebest are all the same poster. So I am going to refer to this many headed Hydra as MHH for short. One of the Fedfans here must have invited this MHH creature from another tennis site. No wonder the Fed fans are supporting its filthy posts.
I notice that Novak fans are turned off by its dirt and odor.

holdserve , 5/27/13 3:24 AM


But wish they had the spines to..
;-)

Twinge, 5/27/13 12:16 AM

It doesn't take any spine to spew out threats and profane attacks on someone while hiding behind an anonymous screen name. That should be obvious even to you. Making threats that you cannot ever carry out, saying things to people that you would never dare say to their faces, doesn't give someone a spine. It's cowardice at its very worst.

I don't have to like what jean or anyone else says here. It's funny but when Rafa fans disagree with each other about what someone said, then there is a falling out in their ranks. Then we are criticized for being at each other's throats. But when Rafa fans support each other then they are a gang or a clique or whatever.

However, I do agree with your statement that willmw and Conspirator are not the same poster.

Nativenewyorker , 5/27/13 4:01 AM


Thanks twinge. I'm just grateful I dont depend on "internet friends" as much as you obviously do to get through your quota of daily social interaction. I'd also like to congratulate you on your ability to qualify peoples intelligence over the internet. So what if you're not the first person to anonymously insult someone on an internet forum, at least you are really committing to it, spending hours upon hours of your days posting on here, its admirable in a slightly demented way, but hey, still admirable. Well done you. I'm betting all of what you set out to do do with your day/life has been accomplished by means of your "life affirming" social activity in these chat boxes. I'm sure all the time you spend having odd and clearly angry arguments with other posters on tennistalk is actually time well spent and NOT AT ALL a waste of yours, and others that have to read your posts, time. I'm sure of it. CONGRATULATIONS!! Wishing you all the best. But clearly you wont need me wishing you well, clearly you are intelligent and so you spend all your day on an internet forum fulfilling your life's dreams... oh wait.

willmw101 , 5/27/13 11:22 AM


It's strange that all the nasty language is being emitted by the nadal fans, which NNY have conveniently ignored. I've called the moderator's attention to my screenaname "Scoretracker" is being twisted around to "scrotracker" by conspirator and willmw. I disagree conspirator is smart. she is dumb and filthy mouthed, and her spinoff character willmw picks up the load. they are both on this site all day and night spewing filthy language joined by jean and a few others..

Of course, jean, has got to be the sickest, and filthiest mouthed woman I've ever come across on any forum. But, it suits the agenda of NNY who would like to say such, and is overjoyed when it hapens, Not once has she called out any of her friends for using such putrid language, coz she's spineless, and also wants to blame the new posters for what's happening. The new posters has provided the perfect opportunity for willmw101 and conspirator to shed their cloaked behavior, and is now dishing it going full steam ahead.

NNY and some others only find pseudo racist comments to be disgusting, but the actual filthy language that's been emitted by her friends who are her lackeys, and provide her with the so-called humor she enjoys are given a pass. Hypocrisy much. She digs up all the dirt on some threads and after she's done goes over to other threads under the guise of pretending to talk about tennis. As usual, nothing is ever left alone, but regurgitated over and over again. Talking tenis for this drama queen is just a post-mortem of what nadal has done in the past and an analysis of his FH/BH. I don't believe she knows the difference between the ad and/or deuce court.

But wish they had the spines to..
;-)

Twinge, 5/27/13 12:16 AM

You've hit the nail on the head. a lot of them enjoy it, and has not once spoken up on the many names the new poters have been called, nor the harassment they have been subjected to . Not to mention the many references to me viz: attention whore, and soap opera attention whore. I hope NNY, who is more of a destructive force to this site will eventually be given a dose of the medicine others are subjected to very soon. This person cannot handle being discussed but goes full throttle discussing others coz her hate is eating away at her. It would definitely make her day if all the Fed fans were to leave, and the new djokovic posters, who are not sucking up to her and others would do the same also. What a hypocrite. now she'll pretend that she wants to talk some more tennis.

Of course she'd like to believe conspirator to not willmw coz conspirator is always getting her back, while willmw is busy using the expletives. who knows from the filthy jean spews she could be either of them..




scoretracker , 5/27/13 11:36 AM


The fed tards including crap20 and twit-fags need to get over their pathetic gutter scum selves - lol they're getting mad that no one's attending to their blind rage. Gotta laugh at these talentless faeces. Initiating the name calling and than going "OMG what are you going to do about jean's post etc etc". LMAO! Notice only the sensible ones can spell out what's really going on and are not fooled by twit-fedtards who trying their hardest to call it like it isn't. Keep up the entertainment morons! There's not much of you there that the rest of us can't easily see through.

jean , 5/27/13 11:48 AM


oh right. Scoretracker and twinge are the same person. Makes a lot of sense.

willmw101 , 5/27/13 11:53 AM


Sense is something you make very little of I'm afraid.
What a bunch of lepers you all are!
Lol!

'Thanks twinge. I'm just grateful I dont depend on "internet friends" as much as you obviously do to get through your quota of daily social interaction..'

Yeah right are you serious?
I'm guessing you're on here about 24/7.
So much for a social life eh?
And given that you are I think it's safe to now state that you have absolutely nothing to say despite your self anointed role as a 'tennis expert' .
Please bumbling about getting your panties in a twist about Novak Djokovic.
I think you and Jean might be the same person as you both have as much use here.
I certainly can judge a persons intelligence by the thoughts they post here, only an idiot wouldn't realise that.
Oh wait....

Twinge , 5/27/13 12:19 PM


'It doesn't take any spine to spew out threats and profane attacks on someone while hiding behind an anonymous screen name. That should be obvious even to you. Making threats that you cannot ever carry out, saying things to people that you would never dare say to their faces, doesn't give someone a spine. It's cowardice at its very worst..'

I think I'm getting a little Fed up with you telling me what I will and will not say in real life.
And how far I will go.
Don't flatter yourself that you would ever know that, because clearly you do not.

Twinge , 5/27/13 12:22 PM


what happened in your life to make you so angry Twinge? such a sad little woman.

willmw101 , 5/27/13 12:25 PM


' Keep up the entertainment morons! There's not much of you there that the rest of us can't easily see through...'

But when are you going to be entertaining you toothless harridan?
You're obviously as ugly as sin and that's why you can't get any.
Ergo the anger and the Nadal obsession.
Oh well there's always sitting on the corner washing machine for kicks.
Or perhaps a cucumber?

Twinge , 5/27/13 12:28 PM


Not a woman and given I'm 6ft 2,
Not exactly small either.

Twinge , 5/27/13 12:33 PM


Who knows if you're really 6ft 2...and who cares!

phoenix , 5/27/13 1:32 PM


You don't have to care,
I wasn't talking to you

Twinge , 5/27/13 1:49 PM


zare...you realize it was Scrotracker, NOT scoretracker that was trolling at you?

ts38 , 5/27/13 3:16 PM


The French Open draw is a joke. I'd expect them to favour Fed and their own (Tsonga) and throw the higher ranked players at Rafa and Nole.

Let's have at look at the first two round opponent rankings for the top seven.

Nadal (59+35 = 94 combined)
Nole (58+51 = 109 combined)
Ferru (63+47 = 110 combined)
Tsonga (80+38 = 118 combined)
Berdych (80+40 = 121 combined)
Gasquet (101+121 = 223 combined)
Federer (164+145 = 309 combined)

#Farce
#Rigged
#JustBusiness

Conspirator , 5/27/13 3:34 PM


^^^ (Tsonga/Gasquet)

#Facts
#BusinessAsUsual

Conspirator , 5/27/13 3:35 PM


Looking at the above stats I would say the French are pinning their hopes on Fed and Gasquet. They know Tsonga is a head case and seem to be favoring Fed over him.
If it comes to a Gasquet vs Fed final which would be a dream final for the French, who do you think they will support? I wouldn't be surprised if they supported Fed!

holdserve , 5/27/13 4:58 PM


No doubt the French will support Fed over anyone else including their own.

Worse than the Brits supporting Fed over Andy at Wimby and O2 last year.

#RabbidFandom

Conspirator , 5/27/13 5:41 PM


^^^rabid

#Humb1e

Conspirator , 5/27/13 5:42 PM


Not worse. The French haven't rigged the draw against the Frenchies. But the Wimbledon guys not only rigged the draw for Federer, they rigged it against Muzza at both Wimby and Olympics. Luckily, the draw at Olympics opened for Muzza and Fed's draw became a little tougher than anticipated because of Delpo.
O2 was also a disgrace. I remember Fed getting a joke of a draw. But I don't remember Muzza's draw but I do remember the crowd was hostile to him.

holdserve , 5/27/13 7:19 PM


As usual rafafarts at work. Very sad/pathetic to see stupidity in all its splendour, but just have to bear with these rafatards!

Here is a beauty for the rafafarts: Guess the combined ranking of the 1st 2 oppononets that kneedal faced in 2010 Wimbledon.

#340
#SuchAtoughDraw


You would think they would have learnt their lesson after a guy ranked 100 made nadal look like a bimbo in Wimbledon, 2012. Then again, there is a reason the tennis community refers to these clowns as rafatards!

Fedkovic23 , 5/27/13 7:40 PM


I second that Conspirator.
The French players have a death wish when it comes to playing in front of their home crowd at RG.

Tsonga has never gone beyond QF

Gasquet withdrew from in '08 rather than face the pressure and has never been further than a QF.

Monfils made the SF back in 2008 but since has gone no further than a QF finish.

Simon has never even made it to a QF

and so the list goes on.

The way things are going it looks suspiciously as though Monfils will go out to Berdych. He won first 2 sets but Tomas has come back into the match and they are now into a 5th set.

ed251137 , 5/27/13 7:53 PM


Hey Federer20/ JamesFedererFan/ FedererIsTheOldest/ Twenty/ AttentionWhoreFedFanBoy (and your other multiple personalities).

Looks like you "only" had to go back three years of majors looking up draws and pulling up bios to find their respective rankings three years ago!

I'm glad you put so much weight and effort into my posts!

Good For You!!!! :)

Not so hard work for Fed draws though as they are rigged all the time, lol.

#YoureWelcomeMyFan
#TooFunny
#Humb1e
#GFY

Conspirator , 5/27/13 7:57 PM


'Hey Federer20/ JamesFedererFan/ FedererIsTheOldest/ Twenty/ AttentionWhoreFedFanBoy (and your other multiple personalities..'

Yes!
As usual, You've hit it right on the head Conspirator.
These trolls with their multiple ids..
Someone should do something about these frauds
Don't you think?

Twinge , 5/27/13 8:04 PM


My my twingey, pious much?

Ok, me and willmw are one and the same.

#HowCouldYouTell?
#Confession
#FullMoon
#IdleHands

Conspirator , 5/27/13 8:19 PM


....aaaaannd another thing. I draw the line at two multiple personalities, not 10.

#Defensive

Conspirator , 5/27/13 8:20 PM


Now now, you know I made it clear 'here' that you could NEVER be the willmetc.
Why so defensive?
I only suggested you to join with me in cleansing ourselves of these shady ne'er do wells.
I know you would never resort to pretending you we're another poster.
So let's do something about them
That's all I'm proposing...
Anyway I'm loving this monfils/Berdych altercation...

Twinge , 5/27/13 8:27 PM


I agree of Twinge Conspirator. No need on defending.

Yes to rid TT of all trolls who has three and more names. Who need more than two? Just like Conspirator say. I agree with you both. You trust ok?

How do punchbag make one troll so crazing?

hawkeye , 5/27/13 8:33 PM


Yes Gael is BACK!
Another player with great charisma!
Playing closer to the baseline too.
Great stuff
And hawkeye FFS download a translation App would you please?!?
Or ask your friend Conspirator for help.
He'll know just what to say.
For the most part....

Twinge , 5/27/13 8:44 PM


Nativenewyorker , 5/27/13 9:01 PM


"Novak Djokovic hasn't hit a ball, and already it's been a rough tournament. First, Nadal lands in his half. Then a potential washout on Tuesday means that he'll likely have to play back-to-back days."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/news/20130527/french-open-rafa el-nadal-sloane-stephens/#ixzz2UWOF7CZI

Well as 2012 finalist and No. 1 player in the world, you haven't earned the right to play on the first day.

#WhatDoYouExpect?
#HUM8LE

Conspirator , 5/27/13 9:07 PM


It's not acceptable that Novak has to play on the third day
He's the world number 1
Nor should the defending champion not be getting things underway.
Where's the sense of tradition?
It's crappy French favouritism without a doubt.

Twinge , 5/27/13 9:11 PM


Just said on TV, forecast for the week is a "horror." :(

deuce , 5/27/13 9:12 PM


The Maestro needs all the help he can get these days. Just like the "random" draw.

#SleightOfHand
#GloryDays

Conspirator , 5/27/13 9:17 PM


2008: Fed was No. 1, Rafa defending champ - Fed plays on Day 2, Rafa on Day 4
2009: Rafa was No. 1, Rafa defending champ - Rafa and Fed both play on Day 2
2010: Fed was No. 1, Fed defending champ - Fed plays on Day 2, Rafa on Day 3
2011: Rafa was No. 1, Rafa was defending champ - Fed plays on Day 2, Rafa on Day 3
2012: Nole was No. 1, Rafa was No. 2, Rafa was defending champ - Fed plays on Day 2, Rafa/Nole on Day 3
2013: Nole is No. 1, Rafa is defending champ - Fed playes on Day 1, Rafa plays on Day 2, Nole plays on Day 3

#FrenchTradition
#Shhh...FavouritismAtWork
#HUM8LE

Conspirator , 5/27/13 9:31 PM


Sickening! It isn't as if anyone wants to watch Fed looking sharp and thrashing a world no. 300! The whole thing is done not for fans but for Fed to help him in winning slams. Even if it was done for fans, it is wrong and is cheating. The RG authorities are a disgrace to principles of fair play and equity.

holdserve , 5/28/13 12:25 AM


I assume RG thought putting Roger in the opening match would boost TV ratings. If so the plan backfired. Even French TV only gave it intermittant live coverage.

Did anyone get live coverage of the whole match on TV?

ed251137 , 5/28/13 6:14 AM


@ed
Me on ITV. Which also said it was live online.

deuce , 5/28/13 7:09 AM


@ed
Yep. Saw the whole match on TV.

xrf , 5/28/13 8:12 AM


Often, possiblty whenever, the tournament is in the country you live in you are blocked from most livestreams.

Deuce: Which ITV channel?

ed251137 , 5/28/13 8:53 AM


Deuce: The weather site I use, which is pretty accurate, forecasts occasional rain today and rain all day tomorrow but after that it looks more promising - if the weather reads the forecast that is!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/62oo6dn

ed251137 , 5/28/13 9:05 AM


ed: ITV main and ITV4.
Hope u r right re weather. It's been shocking here. Today cold and wet....again. Winter coat essential item of clothing for indoor TV tennis :(

deuce , 5/28/13 9:40 AM


en in the if possoble tpurnement if possible.
seventeen, 5/28/13 8:45 AM

Are you typing with one hand again, twenty? Based on your profile pic, it explains a lot. Might help if you take those Federer posters off the ceiling.

#Lavalife.com

Conspirator , 5/28/13 4:01 PM


ts28... thanks :(
Scoretracker... my apologies... didn't notice that new "tennis fan" Scrotetracker. To avoid misunderstanding I will call him Scrotumlover!

zare , 5/28/13 9:29 PM


"Did anyone get live coverage of the whole match on TV?
ed251137, 5/28/13 6:14 AM"
...............................................
LOL.... I saw it... SWISS TV... on 3 programs so you can choose Italian, French or Swiss German language...

zare , 5/28/13 9:43 PM


stupid Iphone..... ts38 not 28 :(

zare , 5/28/13 9:45 PM


Zare, have the rafa fans bitten you? How can you not see an obvious thing like that? You are going around questioning other people's IQ? Try to hold off IQ discussions till you learn to read properly. It makes you look like a total moron and douche-bag.

Dumbness at rafatards' levels is highly contagious. Keep your distance from them, people. Sad to see a nole fan succumbing to the rafarats dumbness plague.

novakisthebest , 5/28/13 9:52 PM


Hey Hydra with your subhuman IQ you might be mistaken for a rat. Better watch out! You are in demand by research students looking for a subhuman brain to dissect. Better hide!

holdserve , 5/28/13 10:10 PM


holdserve,

Very astute observation! :)

Nativenewyorker , 5/28/13 10:20 PM


novakisthebest.... You are simply disgrace. Any connection between you and Nole is simply disgusting.
What is your main problem man? Mamma didn't breastfed you..? dady was using you as sexual toy, poor lost soul :(

zare , 5/28/13 11:04 PM


zare,

I am glad that you spoke out for all the decent Nole fans here. There is another one who is just as bad - JamesDjokovicFan. It's really embarrassing to have low lifes like these two masquerading as Nole's fans.

Nativenewyorker , 5/28/13 11:14 PM


Zare,

you are the disgrace to djokovic fans sucking and holding to them like a parasite. Atleast other djokovic fans can read and write in multiple languages.

You are officially a rafatard. Your negative IQ qualifies you for that. You must have even deeper problems if you are thinking of abusing your kids with sexual toys. Get to a shrink.

novakisthebest , 5/28/13 11:25 PM


Man, these rafatards have bigger problems than just being messed up in the head. You can't blame them when they have parents that use them as sex toys! Sad low-lives.

Guess what? CBM finds these funny - Zare and others abusing their kids. someone posted "such humour" gets her trough tough times. How twisted can people get!

JamesDjokovicFan , 5/28/13 11:31 PM


So much retardation ^^^ Please continue.

Djokogod , 5/28/13 11:32 PM


^^^^

Don't get too involved with these sorry excuses for human beings. They are the absolute bottom of the heap. All they do is come on here and think of the most despicable, vile things to say.

No wonder they come here. After getting kicked off other tennis sites, I guess they are running out of places to find. Don't worry! Soon they will be banned from all tennis sites and then what will the poor souls do?

Nativenewyorker , 5/28/13 11:36 PM


I think you're wrong. It seems like nobody gets banned (or even warned) from here anymore. The other day jean went on a homophobic rant on every thread, Conspirator created the name Novaksucmyd--Djokovic and about 10 others. I guess after the GoMuzza,Gomuzzza,GoMuzzzza debacle they've decided to quit trying to ban people. This site has really gone down the tubes it seems.

chr18 , 5/29/13 1:52 AM


chr18:

Why are you pointing to facts when NNC's melodramatic bullcrap is so convenient to just blame non-rafa fans and keep drumming the fact that rafa fans are saints and perfect.

novakisthebest , 5/29/13 2:04 AM


This site went down the tubes went talentless, basement-confined scum like crap20, fedkovic20, podgervic, scrotehacker, t-ass20, tj20-0, twitfag, jamesidiotfan (all the same person of course) decided to spew their federina-style rant and meltdowns on a tennis site after THEY initiated the fan wars with their name calling. Nice try, rats.

jean , 5/29/13 4:16 AM


chr18,

You don't know that for a fact. You don't have proof as to this idea that a Rafa fan you don't like is posting under other screen names. You are just buying into the stupidity of these guys who are refugees in search of a tennis site. You have tunnel vision and see what you wish to see.

However, at times you have been more reasonable and seem to have a brain. So why would you want to stand up for illiterates who don't have a job or a life or anything better to do with their time. You know that these wimps such as novakis thedumbest or Fedcrappovic or JamesNotDjocovicFan are total cowards. Do you really think that they would have the guts to say this to any of our faces? Please!

Because there is no proof that Conspirator is who you or the other misfits say he is, that's why nothing will be done about it. It's pure speculation.

Nativenewyorker , 5/29/13 4:20 AM


a GS is in progress but these tards are busy with their thing...tsk tsk. i miss the old TT.

phoenix , 5/29/13 6:14 AM


^ agreeing with you again, phoenix :(

deuce , 5/29/13 7:22 AM


@Zare, youre welcome. This situation is being encouraged by people like jean and NNY who find conspirator (who is wilmw, novaksuckmydic, djokogod, Scrotracker and several other posters) to be humorous., coz every time they get into an argument with non-nadal fans, NNY and jean, (take a look at her post jean, 5/29/13 4:16 AM) conspirator creates one of her new monikers to help them fight the battle. It's now so crazy that conspirator/willmw cannot remember what they say in their posts.

For instance, who initially began referring to me as *Scrotetracker*? then, after, created a moniker using that same name? And, who posts all those disgusting perverted links, conspirator? And who has the languaguage of a construction/sanitation worker, jean?

NNY will say and do do anything to sheild her frinedscoz she needs them to help her with her battles which are many on this site.Not to mention willmw, who is filthy enough to speak of djoker's coach Marian, using his last name to refer to part of the female anatomy. what we have here are the posters conspirator/willmw, uing oniker and putting up links that are sexually perverted, coz it's the stuff they enjoy dabbling in. and, which NNY finds to b humorous. she is a pitiful character.

The funny thing is that none of the monikers conspirator has created remembers what the other says. So now it's confusion galore.

@chr18, I hope you're not falling for the snaow job NNY is pushing at you @4:20AM? She's is doing her best to remove guilt from her friend conspirator 9lackey) to ensure she stays around to get her back. This woman is so plastic and she's to be pitied. She wants to blame the new Djoker fans for the deeds of her cohorts. How low can you go NNY? get a likfe troll, coz your's is a waste of, a failure, loser, and represents a loss of humanity. Do you remember all those names you've called me? then attach them to yourself.

BTW, "Because there is no proof that Conspirator is who you or the other misfits say he is, that's why nothing will be done about it. It's pure speculation." @4:20AM.

You've got a good deal going , you'll protect her, connie, and sh'll do your dirty work for you. I now see why nothing is being said to conspirator, coz you are the one vouhing for her and her several monikers. You are classless. I see you told another poster that things will get ugly, and they'll be banned. I guess you are the selfappointed moderator/ You can't handle someone calling you any type of name, but it's OK for me and others tto be called all sorts of names. you are beneath contempt.

scoretracker , 5/29/13 7:31 AM


Meltdown galore lol.

jean , 5/29/13 8:26 AM


"Do you really think that they would have the guts to say this to any of our faces? Please!"

Mindy/new-crapper: Tell me where you want to meet and I will come and say things right to your face. You are a pathetic excuse for a life. Keep deluding yourself that your cohorts are all saints when it is obvious to anyone who does not have their head buried you-know-where about these rafatards' juvenile attempts to drive non-rafa fans away from this site! You can keep sucking upto constipator/jean and keep encouraging their filth, just don't come and preach your sermons to federer/djokovic fans. They are much more intelligent than you lot - just like federer/djokovic are more intelligent people than kneedal


Fedkovic23 , 5/29/13 9:34 AM


'This site went down the tubes went talentless, basement-confined scum like crap20, fedkovic20, podgervic, scrotehacker, t-ass20, tj20-0, twitfag, jamesidiotfan (all the same person of course)....'

,?!

All I saw there was.
Woof woof woofwoofwoof woof woof woofwoofwoofwoof!
Woof!
Woof woof,
;-)

Twinge , 5/29/13 10:14 AM


Wow people are getting agressive on this site. I'm leaving for BR/tennis.com, theres no tennis discussion anymore on TT, mainly because people like Scoretracker and fedkovic just sit around in their underwear at their homes, posting hate filled garbage to pass the time.

Its been fun TT...

willmw101 , 5/29/13 10:56 AM


10:56 AM

Sorry to see you go Wills. Just keep up the anti-jinxing over at B/R please.

Is it wise to announce where you'll be? The cyber stalkers get everywhere :-(

ed251137 , 5/29/13 12:19 PM


ed,
Don't be so naive. That's just Conspirator using one less name. She'll still be around with countless others.

chr18 , 5/29/13 12:41 PM


I know which ones are from the Conspirator actually and its not wmetc.
Nor is `seventeen` a moniker of the Ovic's...
No, this poster is someone else from the past ;-)

Twinge , 5/29/13 12:58 PM


if not torres9, maltheser1?

phoenix , 5/29/13 1:25 PM


on second thought no, these two were tame compared to the Ovic's...

phoenix , 5/29/13 1:27 PM


The only meltdown has been yours
#jean
#ugly caw
#filty btch
#two faced hypocrite
seventeen, 5/29/13 11:59 AM

Lol notice the fedtards haven't called out seventeen-20 on its filthy language. Well, well.....isn't that interesting? LMAO!!

But once a tard-rat, always a scum cnt I guess.....

jean , 5/29/13 1:27 PM


"I know which ones are from the Conspirator actually and its not wmetc."
I agree with this Twinge. I happen to know as well :D

tj600 , 5/29/13 1:51 PM


Some ridiculous comments on this thread! People need to take a look at themselves and start talking about tennis or just leave. There is nothing wrong with having an opinionated discussion/debate. Not everyone will agree all the time, but some things said on here go too far. It's a joke.

brothdog , 5/29/13 2:19 PM


Of course will is not Conspirator. Their styles are totally different. Also I agree with Twinge. seventeen is not one of the 'ovics. seventeen is an old poster resurrected under a new name. He/she was missing luckystar and seemed to know luckystar was retired.
The 'ovics are all one poster imported from some other site, possibly summoned by one of the Fed fans here to aid him in his fight against the Rafans. But never summon an unworthy beast . It shall end up destroying many things you value for it is filled with hate and does not have the intelligence to discriminate.

holdserve , 5/29/13 2:42 PM


There are some people on this site..living here basically for years,
Who have never came more than close to mentioning anything to do with tennis.
Just what is the point exactly?
One can fight anywhere on the net and for better causes, higher stakes etc.
But to post here on TT when there is no interest in tennis discussion,
I'm sorry that is a miserable and pointless exercise in futility.
The fights can be fun but if that's all you are here for,
Then you are simply a troll and need to f**k off.

Twinge , 5/29/13 2:43 PM


The lack of moderation is alarming. Ricky has already said they are not paid. With no one doing anything about the Hydra which knows nothing about tennis and pollutes the environment here with toxic waste, many posters are bound to leave this site. And I have the uneasy feeling that the people who run this site aren't interested in running this site any more.

holdserve , 5/29/13 2:48 PM


these monsters feed on attention. if all ignore them, maybe they will all "f**k off".

phoenix , 5/29/13 2:56 PM


Nativenewyorker, 5/29/13 4:20 AM

Thanks NNY, you speak the truth, unlike scrotracker who claims I post disgusting links (care to provide an example? Thought not.).

willmw, don't leave man you're too funny!

#PeaceYall
#RafaGOAT

Conspirator , 5/29/13 3:44 PM


Interesting story from ESPN but the URL is not opening:

Nikolay Davydenko to skip Wimbledon to focus on clay es.pn/10Hloby

rafaisthebest , 5/29/13 3:56 PM


"ed,
Don't be so naive. That's just Conspirator using one less name. She'll still be around with countless others."

LOL! Here is an example

"But once a tard-rat, always a scum cnt I guess....."

Such wonderful language - add this to the Attention W...... in the list of rafatard approved "supportive of women" cause, that CBM aka NNY so vehemently support. The strange thing is, it is not men using these women-demeaning words like W... and Cnt..... We will then have long posts from Mindy about "Women being Equal to women". I guess they would be if they didn't have women like jean/crappyrator demeaning other women with such pleasant words that I am guessing are music to the rafatard women.




"All I saw there was.
Woof woof woofwoofwoof woof woof woofwoofwoofwoof!
Woof!
Woof woof,
;-)"

woof-woof keeps getting thrown bones by her sermoning friends - NNY and holdserver

#PricelessStuff

JamesDjokovicFan , 5/29/13 4:42 PM


#JamesDjokodickFag

jean , 5/29/13 4:49 PM


holdserve, 5/29/13 2:42 PM

Twinge, 5/29/13 12:58 PM

I think you are both spot on. This is someone who used to be on this site in the past and was most likely banned. There was another clue when "seventeen" called Ricky "Rickert". There was only one person who used that name. Also knowing about luckystar indicates they were here before. It's coming from tennis-x. They have been doing this for years.

The reason I know that the hydra is from tennis-x is because it was stupid enough to start addressing me by my real name. That's the screen name I used on tennis-x. When maxi was here, she was the one who initially did that. They are giving themselves away. Another indication that they are really dumb.

holdserve,

I also agree with your comments @ 2:48 PM. I am concerned that some of the long time posters will leave. That's exactly what the hydra and friends wants.

willmw,

I respect your decision to leave, but also want to say that this is exactly what these trolls want. If they see you go, then they will feel empowered to continue. Then they win.

Nativenewyorker , 5/29/13 8:06 PM


^^^i don't know about this Maxi,
Before my time here but I was pretty sure very quickly that seventeen & textor were Sienna and Fleur,
Now those 2 I remember!
Or was it one?
Somewhat confusing
Did we ever conclusively work out if Fleur and Sienna were either friends or the same person?
Such is the limits of the Internet.
And is Maxi Sienna or Fleur?

Twinge , 5/29/13 9:40 PM


Who gives a f@#k about a bunch of lame a$$ trolls, seriously.

Speaking of...

In the first three rounds, Rafa's shortest opponent is taller than Roger's tallest opponent.

Assuming Rosol goes through (and I kinda hope he does), Rafa's opponents are over four inches taller than Roger's opponents.

#Coincidence?
#JustSayin
#RevengeIsADishBestServedBage lled

Conspirator , 5/29/13 10:04 PM


^^^ on average.

Do trolls understand average? You know, the way Roger looks when he plays the Top 4 these days, average.

#WhatWhat?

Conspirator , 5/29/13 10:06 PM


Twinge, 5/29/13 9:40 PM,

Maxi is Fleur. Sienna posts with the same screen name on tennis-x. I think seventeen is one or the other. The broken English, messed up grammar. If you remember, Sienna and Fleur used to do that only they tried to make it seem like they were speaking Dutch.

Darn good for someone who wasn't here back in the day!

Nativenewyorker , 5/29/13 10:20 PM


Thank you NNY, it is rather good isn't it?
But let's face it I do a pretty good troll impersonation myself so it was never much of a stretch for me.
;)
Speaking of....

'Who gives a f@#k about a bunch of lame a$$ trolls, seriously..'

Yes indeed, I'm actually wondering just what my level of responsibility with you is Sybil,
My dear child
And you used to be so nice as well
Lol!

Twinge , 5/29/13 11:43 PM


ts38's username stands for transexual 38 year old...... fun in a bun.

Scrotracker , 5/30/13 1:14 AM


US Open was first to rig the first two rounds...

http://tinyurl.com/3e6ra4d

#BigBusiness
#Fact

Conspirator , 5/30/13 3:35 AM


".... highly unlikely that the draw is random."

#Really?
#Shocker

Conspirator , 5/30/13 3:38 AM


@ts38's username stands for transexual 38 year old...... fun in a bun.
Scrotracker, 5/30/13 1:14 AM

I hope you've realized by now that I don't use profanity, nor would I attack you.

@Zare, It's all good that you've realized the it's Conspirator who's in love with the part of the male anatomy she cannot have, and it's the reason she keeps writing posts authored by Scrotracker, 5/30/13 1:14 AM to express her feelings to touch and feel.

I have absolutely no idiea whats wrong with this sex-starved moron, who dreams of gettting her claws on such a personal part of the male anatomy, nad due to the dream being unfulfiled, she's stooped to writing about it.

Her behavior is reinforced by her friends, NNY, ed, and some others who pretend to o appear as though they are a tad different, but the truth is they are even worse. She is their lackey, especially NNY's, coz she desperately need others to get her back whenever she jumps in mouth first into any type of altercation. This poor make-belieive pious soul is the worst type of individual who'll stop at nothing to sink her claws into other posters flesh (those whe hates with a passion) in an effort to show them up in the worst light possible, so that they will be shunned by all and she will be made Ms. Popularity. She thrives on this type of situation. Her pathetic need for attention will excuse her friends *conspirator*, who is the creator of willmw, hawkeye, Scrotracker, Djokogod, and countless others , in her desperate attempt to get the two leaders on this site, viz, ed and NNY/CBM, to validate her wrongs.

NNY and ed are pretending that they don't know that it's conspirator who's responsible for these new posters names. She can fool those who wants to fool, but I'm sure there are others more smart who are able to see through the facts and know wo are the culprits.

Jean is another who is protected coz she adds to the flames and of filthy posts that NNY/CBM enjoys.
The following is exceptionally stupid:viz., "
Nativenewyorker, 5/29/13 4:20 AM

The following is in indication of just ho messed up conspiraor is :

"Thanks NNY, you speak the truth, unlike scrotracker who claims I post disgusting links (care to provide an example? Thought not.).
willmw, don't leave man you're too funny!
#PeaceYall
#RafaGOAT
Conspirator, 5/29/13 3:44 PM

It does not take a rockect scientists to figure ut who is ScoretrackeR, conspirator speaks of in hEr posts, MY sceeen moniker is *SCORETRACKER*, but Conspirator has taken it upon herself to use my moniker in a distorted manner whenever she wants to use dirty language and provoke other posters, e.g., zare and ts8.

I have come to the conclusion that ed and NNY enjoy conspirator's, jean's and willmw's low-life ramblings coz it;'s what they'd like to say to those people that are attacked. For example, The Djoker is hated by conspirator and some nadal posters but conspirator uses the willmw moniker to voice her opinions and it goes down the long line of back and forth all day long. Those examples I've cited are just a few of how distorted a mind conspirator and her cohorts have and to what lengths they'll go to exonorate them from blame. It's a shame that women of advanced years with go to such lengths to perpetuate their hateful thoughts. what a shame. As usual, they have a knack of turning around everything to show that it's the other person(s) are the people who are being so very bad to them. It's a shame moderaion is nonexistenrt. p are thait's low-life

scoretracker , 5/30/13 11:07 AM


p are thait's low-life
at the end of para above should be deleted

scoretracker , 5/30/13 11:10 AM


I apologise for the mental breakdown above. I have lost my meds..............

Scrotracker , 5/30/13 11:27 AM


And the meltdowns just keep coming.... ROFL!!!!!

jean , 5/30/13 12:00 PM


"ts38's username stands for transexual 38 year old...... fun in a bun."

The real transexuals are the moralpolice ed, holdserve and nnc for instigating parasites like you on federer or djokovic fans. You scum will be answered in the language you understand.

ts38 and scoretracker:

I guess you are Americans and as Americans, you must now be well aware of how Greatness/Being No.1 inspires hatred from many people from various under-developed countries. Federer/Djokovic inspire similar feeling in rafatards due to their superior achievements across varied surfaces and conditions as opposed to being a one-surface pony.


Fedkovic23 , 5/30/13 1:45 PM


"Fedkovic you lowlife piece of afterbirth" LOL

Scrotracker , 5/30/13 1:48 PM


Jean you lowlife peace of afterbirth.
You smell like sheit whenever I see your name appear . The foul air is so bad that I play for god you not to have or get children. Turts are comming out of the grand canyon.

#low life
#btch
seventeen, 5/30/13 1:39 PM

Hmmm...does that mean you have excrement on your computer? Best go get some toilet paper and clean your crap. Heard of toilets? Diapers maybe? There should be toilet training programs not far from your kennel, no?

You play for god? Geeze...I'd hate think what that entails.

jean , 5/30/13 2:38 PM


^^^ LOL!!!!!!!!

afterbirth and excrement. All in a days work for seventeen year old hobo..........

Scrotracker , 5/30/13 2:41 PM


It is a bit surprising that chr18 once inspired a 30+ comment discussion from the usual suspects about how bigoted he is for saying Canada has the "gay cup."

Yet here jean is, having said fag maybe 30 times, and not a word from any of them. I'd say that surprises me, but it really doesn't

ts38 , 5/30/13 4:41 PM


is it unsurprising to you because of the fact that you are a transexual ts38?

Scrotracker , 5/30/13 4:51 PM


Please, nobody respond to the above text. I know I am responding to it with this very comment, but I would rather the high schooler get the exact opposite of what it wants...attention and more fighting.

ts38 , 5/30/13 5:14 PM


THANKS FOR THE ATTENTION TRANSEXUAL 38 YEAR OLD. FEELS SO NICE

Scrotracker , 5/30/13 5:19 PM


Wow transexual20, channeling your inner scrotracker much?

#ImOffThisThread

Conspirator , 5/30/13 5:46 PM


Jeez, transexual20, for somebody who's above trolling and doesn't have time to post here all day, you sure have a lot to say about others, no?

#HypocriteMuch?
#YoureWelcomeMyFan

Conspirator , 5/30/13 5:49 PM


The Fog beat aRos-ol in 4 sets.

nadline , 5/30/13 5:59 PM


^^Rosol decided the better part of valor was to tank, no?

rafaisthebest , 5/30/13 6:05 PM


I suspected Fognini would beat Rosol in this one, he is IMO a very underrated clay-courter who's finally starting to realize his potential. I'm sure his run will end here, but he's another dark horse who's fun to watch.

ts38 , 5/30/13 6:06 PM


How is he under-rated ts38???........ He's recognised as a very good clay court specialist on the tour and has consistently reached the latter stages of many clay court tourney's, nothing under rated about that............ Conflicting hormones blocking your brain??

Scrotracker , 5/30/13 11:45 PM



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