Ricky Dimon

  • Approach Shots: Nadal is back

    2013-02-05 06:13:41

    “Approach Shots” is Ricky’s weekly look at what’s ahead on the ATP Tour.


    He's back, baby.


    For the first time since losing to Lukas Rosol in the second round of Wimbledon, Rafael Nadal is playing tennis. Like, an actual tournament. No, this is not a joke or misprint; this is the real thing.


    First he pulled out of Toronto and Cincinnati. Then he pulled out of the U.S. Open. Then the entire Asian swing. Next Paris and the World Tour Finals. Just when it looked like he would be back for the start of the 2013 campaign, Nadal withdrew from the Abu Dhabi exhibition with a stomach virus (quotation marks around said condition are necessary, but we'll leave them out so as not to upset Rafa fans). Capping off the ever-growing list were Doha and the Australian Open.


    As such, optimism should remain cautious until the fifth-ranked Spaniard strikes his first ball on Tuesday at the VTR Open (in doubles with Juan Monaco). But it's optimism nonetheless, because he has already been practicing for several days in Vina Del Mar and by all accounts he is good to go. Nadal will steal the vast majority of headlines this week, but the kickoff to February's hectic slate also features Janko Tipsarevic, Richard Gasquet, Marin Cilic, Gilles Simon, and Marcos Baghdatis.


    VTR Open


    Where: Vina del Mar, Chile
    Surface: Clay
    Prize money: $410,200
    : 250


    Top seed: Rafael Nadal
    Defending champion: Juan Monaco


    Draw analysis: Under any other circumstances, Nadal would be an overwhelming favorite and a virtual lock to cakewalk to the Vina del Mar title (not to mention the title of every other tournament on the Golden Swing). There is nobody in this field—except Monaco on a career-best day—who can stay with the Spaniard on a clay court when he is at or near 100 percent. Even in his current state, Nadal (who opens against either Guido Pella or qualifier Federico Delbonis) should coast through a top half of the draw that also includes Jeremy Chardy, Daniel Gimeno-Traver, and Tommy Robredo.


    The bottom section may be wide open, in part because Monaco has also been dealing with injuries. That being said, the second-seeded Argentine defeated Florian Mayer in a four-set Davis Cup rubber last weekend and that should give him some confidence. Other final contenders—presumably bidding for the right to face Nadal in what would be a hugely-hyped title match—include Albert Ramos, Carlos Berlocq, Andrey Kuznetsov, and Filippo Volandri.


    First-round upset alert: Andrey Kuznetsov over (8) Carlos Berlocq. Kuznetsov took the Challenger circuit by storm last season, doing most of his damage on clay. The 21-year-old Russian has struggled to find success on the ATP Tour, but he should be playing with confidence after beating Monaco in the Australian Open first round. These two faced each last fall on the indoor hard courts of Moscow, where Berlocq prevailed 1-6, 6-4, 6-3. The Argentine will be favored once again, but he is coming off an emotional Davis Cup win over Germany and a slight hangover could be in store.


    Hot: Jeremy Chardy, Paolo Lorenzi, Andrey Kuznetsov


    Cold: Rafael Nadal, Juan Monaco, Pablo Andujar, Nicolas Massu, Albert Montanes


    Semifinal predictions: Rafael Nadal over Tommy Robredo and Juan Monaco over Albert Ramos


    Final: Monaco over Nadal

    PBZ Zagreb Indoors


    Where: Zagreb, Croatia
    Surface: Indoor hard
    Prize money: 410,200 Euros
    : 250


    Top seed: Marin Cilic
    Defending champion: Mikhail Youzhny


    Draw analysis: In seven years of existence, the PBZ Zagreb Indoors has been won four times by Croats (twice by Cilic). Cilic is the top seed this time around and the favorite to capture a third title in front of his home crowd. The other former champion in the draw is Ivan Dodig, who could face his countryman in the semifinals. Dodig will have to bounce back quickly from a tough loss in the decisive fifth Davis Cup rubber on the road against Italy’s Fabio Fognini. Cilic could also be challenged by Baghdatis (in the quarterfinals) and Mikhail Youzhny (in the semis).


    Absolutely anything could happen in the bottom half of the bracket, where Andreas Seppi leads the way as the No. 2 seed. Seppi has enjoyed success on every single surface throughout his career, but indoor hard is by no means his favorite. The crop of unseeded threats is strong, featuring Rosol (now of fame for two different reasons after last weekend’s Davis Cup doubles heroics), Robin Haase, and qualifier Philipp Petzschner. Seppi could open with Petzschner before running into Haase in the quarters. Rosol will likely have an all-Lukas affair against an in-form Lukas Lacko in round two.


    First-round upset alert: Ivo Karlovic over (7) Grigor Dimitrov. Based on ranking as well as current form, Dimitrov should take care of business in this one. However, he is still the epitome of streaky at 21 years old and you never know what you are going to get from him on any given day. At the same time, Karlovic always has a chance in just about every match he plays thanks to his titanic serve. With bomb after bomb coming at him, Dimitrov will have to stay mentally tough if he wants to fend off the upset bid.


    Hot: Andreas Seppi, Grega Zemlja, Aljaz Bedene


    Cold: Mikhail Youzhny, Jurgen Melzer, Ivo Karlovic


    Semifinal predictions: Marcos Baghdatis over Mikhail Youzhny and Andreas Seppi over Lukas Lacko


    Final: Baghdatis over Seppi


    Open Sud de France


    Where: Montpellier, France
    Surface: Indoor hard
    Prize money: 410,200 Euros
    : 250


    Top seed: Janko Tipsarevic
    2012 champion: Tomas Berdych (not playing)


    Draw analysis: After a long weekend of Davis Cup drama, former Montpellier champion and original No. 1 seed Tomas Berdych withdrew from the field. That leaves Tipsarevic and Gasquet as title favorites.


    Tipsarevic heads into this week with some question marks, as his last appearance ended via retirement against Nicolas Almagro in the fourth round of the Australian Open. The ninth-ranked Serb also missed his country's first-round Davis Cup victory over Belgium. Tipsarevic will benefit from an opening-round bye, but he could meet indoor hard-court force Michael Llodra in his opener and he is on a collision course for the quarterfinals with fellow Serb Viktor Troicki. Simon also headlines a bottom half of the bracket that includes eighth-seeded Benoit Paire, a Chennai semifinalist last month.


    The two seeds with byes at the top of the draw will not have an easy time of things. Gasquet may have to face Monfils right off the bat and Nikolay Davydenko (who slid into a bye when Berdych withdrew) likely awaits Jarkko Nieminen. Paul-Henri Mathieu became the No. 9 seed and will go up against Sergiy Stakhovsky, who was initially scheduled to meet Davydenko. The only player with a particularly nice draw is Julien Benneteau, who is still in search of his first ATP title. Benneteau should be able to coast into the last eight before running into either Gasquet or Monfils.


    First-round upset alert: Sergiy Stakhovsky over (9) Paul-Henri Mathieu. Stakhovsky would have had upset on his mind no matter what, and it’s debatable as to whether or not he would have had a better chance against Davydenko than Mathieu. Davydenko boasts a considerably higher ranking, but—when healthy—Mathieu is more consistent. The Frenchman, however, hasn’t been entirely healthy since 2009 and he retired from a recent semifinal match at the Heilbronn Challenger due to a back injury. Stakhovsky is in mediocre form at best, but anything could happen here.


    Hot: Richard Gasquet


    Cold: Viktor Troicki, Gael Monfils, Sergiy Stakhovsky


    Semifinal predictions: Richard Gasquet over Jarkko Nieminen and Gilles Simon over Janko Tipsarevic


    Final: Gasquet over Simon


    Comments and your own predictions are appreciated!


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IF rafa can reach the final,he aint losing to monaco.

vamosrafa , 2/5/13 11:22 AM

"Players don't miss Nadal." says Davydenko.

Question: Is Nadal?s injury the result of a long, tennis season every year? Is it a case of too much of tennis?

Answer: No, no, no. Everybody gets injured. Everybody has time off after injury. It depends what kind of injury you have. It?s not a players? problem. It is a problem from the physio(s). You should have private physios check (on) you and do the best to help you hold the level you play at on the Tour. No matter how many tournaments you play, how many matches you play.

Question: Do you think the men?s Tour is going to miss Nadal?

Answer: Me? No! I don?t think so much about that (Nadal?s). For sure he will come back for the clay court season. And then he will try to win everything he can. Nadal is Nadal. The fans may miss him but not the players (smiles).

tennisnba , 2/5/13 12:53 PM jury-free-run.html

tennisnba , 2/5/13 12:55 PM

RogerLoverF doesn't miss Rafa, do you sweetie.


Conspirator , 2/5/13 2:44 PM

Conspirator, just don't bother with this what nba fella. Just skip those posts and concentrate on others, don't waste your time. Rafa fans have better things to do now.

luckystar , 2/5/13 3:13 PM

Ricky picked Monaco just to get a rise.

Looking forward to Rafa proving him wrong (as usual).


Conspirator , 2/5/13 3:24 PM

"Nadal withdrew from the Abu Dhabi exhibition with a stomach virus (quotation marks around said condition are necessary, but we'll leave them out so as not to upset Rafa fans)."

Too late Ricky. You just called Rafa a liar.


Conspirator , 2/5/13 3:31 PM

OK Ricky, you get a cheap laugh. You really believe that if Rafa is fit enough to get to the final, he'll fall to Monaco, with a record like this:

2012 Roland Garros
France Clay R16 Nadal, Rafael
6-2, 6-0, 6-0

2011 ESP vs.ARG DC Final
Spain Clay RR Nadal, Rafael
6-1, 6-1, 6-2

2007 ATP Masters Series Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A. Hard R32 Monaco, Juan
7-6(5), 4-1 RET

2007 Stuttgart
Germany Clay Q Nadal, Rafael
6-1, 6-3
2005 Bastad

Sweden Clay R32 Nadal, Rafael
6-1, 6-1

The one time that Monaco has 'beaten' Rafa, Rafa retired. After Rafa beat Monaco 2:0:0 at RG last year he felt embarrassed for Monaco and apologised to him afterwards.

nadline , 2/5/13 3:52 PM

nadline - you can throw all previous H2H's out the window. This isn't your grandfather's Nadal.

conspirator - I think you missed the point


RickyDimon , 2/5/13 4:49 PM

I think Conspirator got the point. Why even mention any need for quotation marks unless the stomach virus as reason for withdrawing, was being questioned.

Nativenewyorker , 2/5/13 5:21 PM

rafa not in the final :eek:


rfzr , 2/5/13 5:32 PM

NNY's right. Ricky just trying to backtrack with ambiguous statement of missing "the point".

Thought you were better than that Reeshard D.


Conspirator , 2/5/13 5:34 PM

If Monaco beat Rafa then Rafa is not ready to even think of coming back.

nadline , 2/5/13 5:47 PM

I like this line...

Innuendo reporting is an offshoot of investigative reporting - the main difference being that the innuendo reporter has failed to get any facts to back up his story and must therefore resort to allegations that could or could not be true.


Conspirator , 2/5/13 5:50 PM

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Rafa Nadal Vina del Mar watch: he beat Nicolas Massu 6-2 6-2 in practice sets yesterday. He & Monaco play dubs tonight
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Conspirator , 2/5/13 6:05 PM

Tiggy is answering questions live on right now. Tiggy believes...

Comment From Jose
Do you think Nadal can make the semis of Vina Del Mar? Or will that be a tough ask given that it's his first tournament back

I think he should win the tournament, no? It is clay, and he's really in another league from everyone there. We'll see how much rust he has.

Conspirator , 2/5/13 7:23 PM

Tiggy is answering many of my questions. Must not be 100's of askers.


Conspirator , 2/5/13 7:35 PM

NNY - that's exactly the point! i AM questioning it.

RickyDimon , 2/5/13 8:38 PM

So you are questioning his honesty then which is what I thought to begin with.


Conspirator , 2/5/13 9:45 PM

Nadal will win the tournament. He will roll over in the clay. He will bite the trophy. In two weeks, there will be no sign of injury.


samprallica , 2/6/13 1:44 AM


Thanks for the answer. At least it's honest if I completely disagree.

Nativenewyorker , 2/6/13 2:45 AM


Sorry, I meant to say - at least it's honest, EVEN if I completely disagree!

Nativenewyorker , 2/6/13 2:47 AM

How can Ricky be considered honest if he makes innuendos without any proof. If we cannot prove something then in logic or math or even in Sherlock holmes style, we eliminate all the possibilities which do not fit. Then the truth is in what's left.
Ricky has adopted neither method. Instead samprallica style, he has chosen to make sly remarks. I do not call that honest.

holdserve , 2/6/13 3:45 AM

samprallica is a genuine rafa supporter.

vamos sampra.

rfzr , 2/6/13 3:49 AM

^^^ No, samprallica is a Nole supporter, just like yourself; though samprallica mentioned that he doesn't mind Rafa.

luckystar , 2/6/13 4:29 AM

wrong, am a proud rafatard.

rfzr , 2/6/13 4:47 AM


rfzr , 2/6/13 4:50 AM

samprallica is definitely not a Rafa fan. He claims to be a Nole Supporter but is actually a Fed fan supporting Nole only because Nole has beaten Rafa more often than not in the last two years. samprallica has made several sly remarks insinuating that Rafa is doping, claiming Fed is the only one not doping among the top 4, that Rafa's injury is fake and he is serving a 6 month silent ban for doping.
He is continuing his sly allegations.
See his post above ( reproduced below):

Nadal will win the tournament. He will roll over in the clay. He will bite the trophy. In two weeks, there will be no sign of injury.


samprallica , 2/6/13 1:44 AM

Please do not be misled by this sly and vicious anti Rafa fan.

holdserve , 2/6/13 4:59 AM

holdserve, 2/6/13 3:45 AM,

Ricky is being honest in saying that he is questioning Rafa's reason for withdrawing from those tournaments. He is giving his opinion. That does not require any basis in fact or specific proof. He just thinks that it wasn't about the stomach bug, but Rafa not being ready and needing more time or wanting to start on clay or all of the above.

I do not agree. I see no reason why Rafa would need the cover of a stomach bug as a phony excuse to withdraw from those tournaments. Rafa was unable to practice due to a high fever that lasted for five days. That set him back on his preparation. It was always going to be a tough task to try to come back with only two warmup tournaments before the AO. Losing valuable practice time and remembering what happened in 2011 when Rafa ignored his doctor's advice and continued to play at Doha and then showed up at the AO not fully recovered, would give him every reason to be concerned enough not to want to repeat that mistake.

If it was the knee, then there was no reason why Rafa wouldn't simply come out and say so. Even now he has been honest enough to admit that he still has some pain. If Rafa could withdraw from the Olympics, Toronto/Montreal and Cincy, Paris and the WTF, then why the need to make up an excuse this time?

Sometimes the truth is very simple. It's right in front of you if you don't look too hard!

Nativenewyorker , 2/6/13 5:17 AM

NNY, that is why I said Ricky was not honest. Anyone who makes unsupported allegations is not honest. Would you say samprallica is honest because he gives his opinion that Rafa was serving a silent ban for doping?
If by what one claims as opinion one is casting aspersions on Rafa, then it ceases to be an opinion and becomes slander. A slanderer cannot be classified as honest.
In fact you spelt out exactly what I was implying. Using common sense, you can eliminate the possibility that Rafa was making up the stomach virus excuse. Although none of us can prove that Rafa did indeed suffer from virus, we can employ the indirect method of eliminating the implausible. There is no reason why Rafa should claim stomach virus when "knee not fine" served him fine for months and he still claims it is not 100%. Why would he need an additional excuse?

holdserve , 2/6/13 5:39 AM


That would be the case if it was evident that their reason for doing so was, in fact, given without being an actual opinion. Their opinions were unfounded. Nothing about that excludes them from the definition of honesty, as it cannot be determined that they voiced it out of a desire to blacken his character. It just makes it an opinion given without solid foundation. Unfounded.
You are guilty of this in numerous posts as well. Despite what you appear to believe, conspiracy theories are defined as such for a reason, and faulty statistics/wobbly rationales do not count as quantifiable evidence.
I completely agree that Ricky is foolish for writing what he wrote. That doesn't mean he's dishonest.

Champion7 , 2/6/13 6:37 AM

holdserve - don't accuse me of making accusations when I'm clearly not.

listen to NNY. She is talking sense. I don't need to expound on it.

RickyDimon , 2/6/13 6:39 AM

All I'm saying is Nadal will win the tournament, there's no one in this draw who should be able to beat him. Secondly, Rafa will not show any sign of injury - was it really evident through his run on clay or even during his match against Rosol that he was injured? We only knew about it after the loss, and in hindsight, he probably was having problems during that fifth set when he was unable to chase down certain balls from Rosol.

Rafa is incredible when it comes to recovery from serious injury. I remember Krajicek with serious knee problems - he played a significantly less taxing game and yet was never able to produce tennis resembling his peak in 1996 after a lengthy layoff from injury. Nadal will take his time to settle in but his body is simply something else - he won't be done until he finally is upon retirement.


samprallica , 2/6/13 8:58 AM

Latest in the doping saga, Dick Pound is sure that there is a doping problem in tennis. I'm not sure but will the ITF start doing something constructive? Their argument that money is an issue is ridiculous: rt/9851231/Dick-Pound-former-head-of-World-Anti-Doping-Agency-claims-h e-is-certain-that-tennis-has-a-doping-problem.html

Murray thinks a biological passport will help. Well done Andy, you've finally said something that makes sense:

Rafa is also weighing in: ns-comeback-chile/46270/#.UQ2e6U8U5z9

The top 4 players are now all saying that something needs to be done about doping. It is very true that technology, recovery techniques and diets can contribute to much improved fitness and well-being when it comes to tennis. I personally am on a gluten free, vegan diet and the results are quite unbelievable. However, as there was with cycling and baseball, there is always room for suspicion when you see amazing performances from a golden generation.

Time for the ITF and Stuart Miller to do something constructive. Biological passports and blood testing during grand slams only would be a start - not too intrusive, and yet more foolproof than what we have now. Better OOC testing and transparent statistics plus actually releasing statements that show that they know what they're talking about would be a greater step.

samprallica , 2/6/13 9:10 AM

"Well done Andy, you've finally said something that makes sense:"

Most of what Andy says in interviews make sense.
Playing too passively for 5 years after everyone told him not to is what didnt make sense.

Twinge , 2/6/13 11:58 AM

May I just point out that some people are poluting this thread with talk about doping controls. However wise Muzz's words are, they have no place in a thread about a live tournament.

Please show some respect and that you can stick to the subject matter. Don't try to change the subject because you happen to be a Rafa hater.

nadline , 2/6/13 1:00 PM

RickyDimon, 2/6/13 6:39 AM

You clearly DID make an indirect accusation by questioning Rafa's honesty.


Conspirator , 2/6/13 1:40 PM

@nadline, that is very rich coming from someone who found the need to comment on Rafa's absence in nearly every single match related thread over the last few months. If you don't like what you see I'd advise you not to read it. A post about Rafa in other player's match threads has little relevance too if the same standards are applied.

@Twinge, Andy does make sense most of the time but his stance on doping generally didn't address specific points that needed to be made. He has done so this time and I applaud him for that.

samprallica , 2/6/13 2:13 PM

"@nadline, that is very rich coming from someone who found the need to comment on Rafa's absence in nearly every single match related thread over the last few months.."

lol Good one samps,
very good!
Im getting ready to regal everyone about my fav Andy matches when Rafa is cleaning the clocks of those sacrificial lambs the south americans have offered up to him :)
Point noted about the other. One thing can be sure Andy would never dope and his c**p recovery at the AO confirms it.
That or he needs better PEDs.

Twinge , 2/6/13 2:23 PM

"Point noted about the other. One thing can be sure Andy would never dope and his c**p recovery at the AO confirms it.
That or he needs better PEDs"

I'm giving all the players the benefit of the doubt - the reasons certain players, including Novak have given are plausible enough. However, with lax testing, there will be a shadow of doubt, and the sooner this is cleared the better.

I personally think Andy could benefit by losing some bulk particularly in his legs. Strength isn't the equivalent of more muscle mass.

The only reason I keep bringing this up is because of the present situation and the ITF's complete negligence with regards to this issue.

samprallica , 2/6/13 2:41 PM

Andy had blisters.

Conspirator , 2/6/13 2:44 PM

^^ True but I doubt you will find him as efficient at recovery as Novak is.

samprallica , 2/6/13 2:54 PM

I probably shouldn't say this,
There is a LOT of stuff online about Novak and possible doping allegations.
He did that 5hrs and then 6 hours thing at the AO last year for example when in previous AO's he would poop out because it was too hot. Its quite a leap.
Im NOT saying that he is doping however, but really if one is to be suspicious of Rafa all of the same suspicions can be layed at Novaks door too.
If anyone is caught cheating it should be like the lance armstrong situation and their slams removed as they have not truly earned them, but I think its more that the science of recovery is now so advanced (& rather grey) that the players can pull off these kinds of feats now.
Still we are now at the situation where this probably has to be looked at more decisively.
I would also say there is more pressure at the lower levels of the sport so as not to be left behind.

Twinge , 2/6/13 2:58 PM

My point being the best players (with the deepest pockets) can afford the borderline science.
The lower ranked have only ped's if they want to er `enhance` their performances.

Twinge , 2/6/13 3:13 PM

Lol at Monaco over Nadal. Ricky Dimon last year at French open Monaco won just 2 games in 3 sets vs Nadal, do u want me to believe that Monaco will win this time?

tennis2011 , 2/6/13 3:22 PM

tennis2011 - what does the French Open have anything to do with Vina del Mar?

conspirator - no i didn't. you and holdserve INFERRED something from what I wrote. That's your problem, not mine.

RickyDimon , 2/6/13 3:58 PM

The dishonesty dear Ricky lies in your dishonest claim. You now make it worse by claiming anything we infer from your post is our responsibility, not yours. Pray enlighten me as to what else can be inferred by your statement that you did not put stomach virus in quotation marks out of regard for Nadal fans. As far as I know, the only possible inference is that you do not believe in the stomach virus excuse.
And I have already explained why claiming stomach virus excuse is false is a dishonest opinion or slander.

holdserve , 2/6/13 4:40 PM


Give me a break. We, your readers, inferred what you intended us to infer.

You posted:

NNY - that's exactly the point! i AM questioning it.
RickyDimon, 2/5/13 8:38 PM

By questioning it i.e., his virus excuse, how can you not be questioning his honesty???


Conspirator , 2/6/13 4:49 PM

@Twinge , 2/6/13 2:23 PM

Are you sure you can find enough to say about Andy on every thread?

nadline , 2/6/13 5:18 PM

what does the French Open have anything to do with Vina del Mar?
RickyDimon , 2/6/13 3:58 PM

In that case, Ricky, what has anything got to do with anything?

nadline , 2/6/13 5:22 PM

"Are you sure you can find enough to say about Andy on every thread?"


Twinge , 2/6/13 5:27 PM

Why is it Twinge is trying to be like nadline? I guess nadline has been a very successful poster here on TT so Twinge is trying to adopt some of nadline's style of play, I... I mean posting.

Conspirator , 2/6/13 5:48 PM


nadline , 2/6/13 5:55 PM

You know full well what I am up to CONSPIRATOR.
Actually this reminds me when Andy was playing and he came on to the court with his racquet in his hand.
Supposedly he was being a copycat too. Oh well.
Everythings so quiet, what's the matter with the world?!?
Its because Andy Murray isnt playing this month isnt it?
Oh how will we ever get through this?
I'm off to watch Andy's triumph at the USO again. That'll help.
Even his match against Donald Young is better than a bunch of hispanic dirtballers vamossing all over the place.
Back soon.

Twinge , 2/6/13 6:03 PM

No, far from quiet! In fact this Feb is full of buzz, with many eagerly anticipating Rafa's return to competitive tennis!

luckystar , 2/6/13 6:08 PM

There are tournys going on in Zagreb and Montpelier, didn't you know Twinge? Why aren't you talking about them?

nadline , 2/6/13 6:11 PM

All the top four guys were asked about the doping topic and all four had expressed their wishes for more frequent or more in depth testing. I guess that's the only right thing to say when asked.

Also when pointing fingers at Rafa or Nole, please also note that during Fed's younger days, back in 2006, he also did something similar to what Rafa and Nole had done at the AO, at Rome 2006. He played two plus hours against Almagro in the QF, two plus hours the very next day against Nalby in the SF, and followed that on the next day with a five plus hours final against Rafa and almost won. All in all, he played for a total of 10+ hours on three consecutive days, ie without a rest day in between matches. He was 24 yo back then; so Rafa doing it at AO2009 when he was 22yo, or Nole doing it at AO2012 when he was 24yo weren't anything that 'exceptional' IMO. It's being done before by Fed, then Rafa and now by Nole; these guys are all super fit, unless all of them are doping!

luckystar , 2/6/13 6:32 PM

Conspirator - no

nadline - what?

RickyDimon , 2/6/13 6:35 PM

"Are you sure you can find enough to say about Andy on every thread?"
Twinge , 2/6/13 5:27 PM

I'll take your word for it.

nadline , 2/6/13 6:42 PM

Ricky - what?

I'll repeat...

You posted:

NNY - that's exactly the point! i AM questioning it.
RickyDimon, 2/5/13 8:38 PM

By questioning it i.e., his virus excuse, how can you not be questioning his honesty??

No is not an answer but is simply avoiding the question.


Conspirator , 2/6/13 7:02 PM

Vina del Mar >> French Open


rfzr , 2/6/13 7:24 PM

has anyone seen factual evidence that he had a stomach virus?

so far all we are going by is WORDS from Nadal and WORDS from Benito. What do you put around WORDS that aren't supported by facts? QUOTATION MARKS.

don't make this out to be a bigger deal than it is.

RickyDimon , 2/6/13 7:31 PM

please, all this talk about nole winning ao 3 times in a row doesn't belong here.


rfzr , 2/6/13 7:35 PM

Like I said, you are questioning his honesty.

The bigger deal is that there is cheap journalism, reporting or worse yet, journalistic opining without substantive evidence.

Would you raise that doubt to Rafa himself in person in a press conference or interview? If not, why do it here.

There is a bigger issue.

Innuendo is cheap and easy. Too much of the media excels at it. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

If it is just informal blogging not to be taken seriously, then fine, ok. But then it will never be more than that.

Set a higher standard Ricky.

Conspirator , 2/6/13 7:51 PM

well, Ricky is right...although I happen to be a desperate Rafan I myself questioned the story of stomach virus...Rafa simply was not ready to play...whatever the reason was behind it he was not ready and that is big deal...
I am glad to see our Rafa back on court and I hope he wins the title...
Vamos Rafa!

natashao , 2/6/13 8:01 PM

Glad to see Rafa back and also one of the nicest posters nastashao. Welcome back Natashao!! Do post regularly. You were missed alot...

fedexal , 2/6/13 8:03 PM

yes, I would ask Nadal to his face if he had a stomach virus.

but what's the point? Obviously he would say yes. Why would I ask a question to which I already know how the player would respond?




RickyDimon , 2/6/13 8:03 PM

Conspirator - if yyou don't want to take it seriously, don't be the main reason why this "blog" already has 80 comments on it.

RickyDimon , 2/6/13 8:09 PM

Who said I didn't want to take it seriously???

I asked, "Would you raise that doubt to Rafa himself in person in a press conference or interview?"

You answered, "yes, I would ask Nadal to his face if he had a stomach virus."

Those are two different questions?

Would you ask Rafa, "Some might suggest that a stomach virus is not the main reason for you pulling out of the tournament. Is there another reason?"

That is not the same as:

"Rafa, do you have a virus?"

OK, blog away me jollies, blog away!


Conspirator , 2/6/13 8:29 PM

Soooooooo much pressure was being put on Rafa to play over the last 7 months, that he kept making promises he couldn't keep. Organizers were pressing him to say yes, and I almost feel that they were in on it, that once they got their ticket sales, he was able to pull out at the last minute. I won't be too surprised if Rafa blamed a stomach virus because if he had said his knees weren't match fit, that would have blown open a whole can of worms of speculation about his future in the game.

When I see the number of journalists in Chile for a tournament no one had ever paid any attention to compared to the lack of press presence in Abu Dhabi last year, I realize the pulling power of Rafa. There was absolutely no buzz in Abu Dhabi. I'd been to Abu Dhabi when Rafa was there and there were a lot of press and cameras around. Even at the signing of autographs by players, hardly any press was present.

So maybe, Rafa thought that blaming a stomach virus would kill wild speculation.

nadline , 2/6/13 8:30 PM

If Rafa fans want to get mad about a sports blogger going after him, then go read Pete Bodo's latest one on Rafa and the never ending drama of his injury and recovery. He went so far as to second guess the decision of Rafa's doctor and team to not opt for surgery and go with the more conservative approach. I don't even want to bother regurgitating his garbage about Rafa. He detests Rafa, always has and always will. He threw out real cheap shots and serious accusations about Rafa's integrity and honesty.

It's overkill to beat to death what Ricky said. I disagreed with his opinion and gave my reasons for doing so. I am not taking it personally because I do not believe that Ricky meant it in that way. He believes that there can be a reasonable doubt as to why Rafa withdrew from his first three scheduled tournaments. Even some Rafa fans have wondered if the stomach bug just helped Rafa to do what he wanted to do anyway - delay his return, get more time to strengthen his knee and come back at some low profile clay court tournaments.

If you read Pete Bodo, then you will see the difference between really questioning a player and Ricky just giving his personal opinion without any malice intended.

Nativenewyorker , 2/6/13 9:17 PM

Pico lost

RickyDimon , 2/6/13 9:20 PM

I wrote Bodo off a loooooong time ago. Couldn't care less what he writes pro or con about Rafa.

Not beating it to death. Only responding to Ricky's, how shall I put it, "concise" replies.

Maybe I should have left off the quotation marks.

That said, time to move on.


Conspirator , 2/6/13 9:33 PM


Oh I hear you about Bodo. It was awful to try to read his latest hatefest about Rafa. The guy has a problem.

As you said, time to move on and just be glad that Rafa is back playing again!

Nativenewyorker , 2/7/13 1:17 AM

I stopped reading Bodo.
Let us just be happy Rafa is back. But his movement is definitely below par.
I don't mind Rafa losing 250s, 500s and Masters as long as he keeps making progress. His goal ( important for all of us): 8th RG crown. He may lose at Vina Del Mar. Who cares? Winning the war is more important , not the battles.

holdserve , 2/7/13 5:57 AM

^^^ sense

RickyDimon , 2/7/13 5:59 AM

I agree with holdserve about Rafa's movement being below par. I noticed it when I watched the match for the second time. I wondered about how hot it was there. Rafa was sweating buckets. I just don't know whether to attribute his subpar movement to any issue with the knee or just his general lack of conditioning.

I agree about winning the big prize, but it would be nice to see Rafa get a title. I think it would help his confidence. He knows that this is just a step on the long road back to bigger things, but there is a psychological boost from winning any title.

We know that Rafa's ultimate goal is to be ready for the clay court season and especially RG.

Nativenewyorker , 2/7/13 7:21 AM

"I probably shouldn't say this,
There is a LOT of stuff online about Novak and possible doping allegations."

I am well aware of this, and acknowledge that the chances of Nole doping are about as good as Rafa's given recent history. While I do think Nole's previous issues with fitness were part physical, I also do think that he copped out a lot mentally - not something to boast about but it is what I think it is.

Each one of the top 4 has had points in their careers when it seems like they might have gotten some extra help. Now as you say, they have enough money to ensure that nutrition is taken care of along the strictest lines, the best recovery programs are worked out etc. Also, there is the matter of whether something that helps you is actually defined as "illegal". There are borderline techniques that aren't classified as illegal; e.g. Novak's egg, if that what was what he was using.

I find it interesting that Nole has repeatedly stressed he does anything in his power to recover, anything that is LEGAL. That word legal has been used by him a few times. So I don't think he is necessarily beyond extra help at all - all that is needed is a just process to ensure he isn't doping. That way, either he is caught and stripped of his titles like Armstrong, or the cloud of suspicion among him (and the others) thins. It's a win-win situation in my view. I have never viewed tennis as a business that needs to be rotected at all costs; it is sport first and foremost, and it should remain that way.

For the record, I am not against PEDs. When properly regulated and tested, PEDs (according to most users) are actually good for the body when you engage in the level of strenuous physical activity that some of these players are. After all, processed food, cigarettes and alcohol are all way more harmful to the human body, and I dont see anyone frowning upon them. What I'm against is anyone gaining an unfair advantage just because they doped.

samprallica , 2/7/13 7:59 AM

sampralica, why do you insist on ruining this thread with dpoing. This is a thread about a live tournament.

nadline , 2/7/13 9:10 AM

^^ Maybe we need a thread on doping?

I was just replying to Twinge, I promise there will be no more posts on this thread about doping, as much as I'd love to spoil your fun.

samprallica , 2/7/13 9:26 AM

nadline , 2/7/13 9:36 AM

^^ Typical Tignor fanboyism. Its a Latin American tournament that hasn't seen a player of the likes of Nadal - what did he expect? More a reflection of what the tournament normally gets than what Nadal is to tennis.

You see this kind of thing in exhibitions involving other players a lot as well. But as usual Tignor loves to hype Nadal up and nadline would latch on to anything that represents Nadal as the holy grail of tennis.

samprallica , 2/7/13 9:40 AM

There is only one Rafael Nadal!

nadline , 2/7/13 10:55 AM

As there is only one Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer and Andy Murray. Nadline just doesn't choose to worship them.

samprallica , 2/7/13 11:11 AM

OK, let me put it another way. There is no one with the massive charisma of Rafael Nadal.

nadline , 2/7/13 12:08 PM

samprallica, 2/7/13 7:59 AM

Respectfully, there was a typo in the above referenced post which I have corrected for you..

I am well aware of this, and acknowledge that the chances of Nole doping are about as good as Roger's given recent history.

You are the biggest closet Fedfan on this site and the door is wiiiiide open.


Conspirator , 2/7/13 1:51 PM

Now that's simply not true. I don't know why Tignor and Bodo are constantly discussed here, just two random people with random opinions. But back when Fernando Gonzalez pwned this tournament his matches were consistently sold out.

ts38 , 2/7/13 4:19 PM

there hasn't been a match in the last 7 months like that one!?!?!?!

I've seen several matches in the last 3 weeks that had WAY better atmospheres than Nadal vs. Delbonis.

RickyDimon , 2/7/13 4:21 PM

samprallica is obsessed with doping because he secretly fears his idol is doping and tries to distract others by constantly accusing Rafa of doping. As a matter of fact, Rafa is least likely to be doping. ATP, ITF are all under Fed's influence and they do their best to get rid of Rafa. Also Rafa is the one getting tired and injured. Doping would lead to never seeming tired (effortless play) and never seeming injured thanks to quick recovery from injuries. All of these are exhibited by somebody else, not Rafa.

holdserve , 2/7/13 4:22 PM

Obviously Tignor meant a 250 event. And yes, how many 250 events have the arena filled to their maximum capacity? Even the doubles match was packed with spectators. I remember Rafa's IW doubles final match one year where the arena was packed too. I would say both Fed and Rafa usually play to a capacity crowd. With Rafa concentrating more on clay events, those hard court events may be missing Rafa's presence so all the more people want to see him wherever he chooses to play some of those hard court events.

luckystar , 2/7/13 5:01 PM

@RickyDimon , 2/7/13 4:21 PM

We'll just have to take your word for it.

nadline , 2/7/13 5:13 PM

@RickyDimon , 2/7/13 4:21 PM

ricky - I think you missed the point.

But I'll actually elaborate. Just read the last sentence following that claim to put it in its intended context....

"No men's match, in fact, had looked quite like this one for seven months. That's how long it had been since 11-time Grand Slam champion Nadal had last played singles."


Conspirator , 2/7/13 5:42 PM

holdserve, 2/7/13 4:22 PM

Holdserve would have made a good fedbot whereas Samprallica clearly is.

These guys are all equally capable (or incapable). They are human. No reason to single individual players out without evidence. However, with insufficient testing easily fooled, suspicion in general is on the rise.


Conspirator , 2/7/13 5:48 PM

Hey Conspirator have you read Roald Dahl's The Twits? Ah the Twits could be you.

holdserve , 2/7/13 5:52 PM

This is the wrong thread for this discussion.

Conspirator , 2/7/13 5:52 PM

holdserve, 2/7/13 5:52 PM

How old are you? No one else on this forum wants to hear our bickering back and forth. Feel free to continue on your own playing with yourself.


Conspirator , 2/7/13 6:02 PM

^^^^ holdserve, scratch that. I shouldn't have made any personal attacks towards you.

I apologize if I've offended you personally in any way.


Conspirator , 2/7/13 6:21 PM

solid originality, Conspirator


and Tignor didn't specify 250-point event. #RafaKAD

RickyDimon , 2/7/13 6:23 PM

Well, Ricky, at least I was original on the elaborating part! ;)


Conspirator , 2/7/13 6:25 PM

Well after your apology maybe you are not like the Twits in Roald Dahl's book.

holdserve , 2/7/13 6:38 PM

Tignor's becoming senile. Or at least he is no longer writing what he believes in but what he thinks will sell.

holdserve , 2/7/13 6:42 PM

I thought there was a rule on this site about discussing doping or making any accusations against any player. At the least, it has no place on this thread. Completely off topic.

Regarding this little 250 tournament, it's obvious that Rafa's decision to play there has generated a great deal of excitement and interest. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out.

I could care less what this tournament was like when Fernando Gonzales owned it. The simple fact is that Rafa's presence has guaranteed a packed venue. As far as this idea that there has been nothing like this match in the last seven months, I certainly wouldn't go that far. It was a chance to see Rafa in court in his first match in seven months. That's something worth watching for sure. But the match itself wasn't particularly brilliant or spectacular. Rafa has a way to go before he can be in his best form. This was only the beginning. He had a scratchy start, but seemed to get going. He was playing a guy who had no real weapons to challenge him, even after seven months off.

What was special was seeing Rafa playing again. That was the singular aspect of this match.

Nativenewyorker , 2/7/13 6:45 PM

... which was Tiggy's whole point regarding that there hadn't been a match like it in 7 months, i.e., just that Rafa wasn't there.

BTW, I personally don't see anything wrong with discussing doping suspicions in general as long as individial players aren't singled out unfairly without any evidence.


Conspirator , 2/7/13 6:50 PM


Unfortunately, there are specific allegations being made against certain players. Just read samprallica's post @ 7:59 AM. He's like a one-man band on the subject.

Sorry, but without any proof or fact or substance, any speculation naming names is character assassination. All a player has is his good name. It's the most serious allegation anyone can make. That should not be done without tangible, credible information.

Nativenewyorker , 2/7/13 8:20 PM

The Most Controversial Knees Ever

The fashionable thing to say these past few weeks and months, as we await the return of Rafael Nadal to singles competition this week at the Chile Open, is that Nadal has been sorely missed, that there?s a big hole or blank spot once occupied by his smiling face, a grin sustained by his ongoing ability to beat up on his colleagues in tennis? Big Four.

Okay, I don?t want to be Mr. Buzzkill here. And I?m delighted that Nadal is making his return, albeit on what might be still wobbly knees. But I also refuse to parrot the sentimental party line. The past few months have mostly reminded me of how quickly tennis moves, and how quickly most tennis fans forget.

Nadal fans will undoubtedly find this hard to swallow, simply because they?re so vested in all things Nadal that it?s hard for them to be objective. But the reality is that the game?especially in this remarkable era that Nadal helped bring to fruition?is much bigger than any single player, and it won?t stop for anyone.

It would have been better for all of us if Nadal had not succumbed to injury. But was the game any worse off because he did? How often, while watching Roger Federer battle Juan Martin del Potro at the Olympic Games, or Novak Djokovic match wits with Andy Murray at the U.S. did you pause and exclaim, ?Gee, this would be so great if only Nadal were around??

Come on, be honest. The only people I can imagine thinking that would be those who are a lot more interested in or fixated on Nadal than on tennis.

Fans love whom they will, it?s one reason the game is so lively these days. But it?s good for everyone, including Nadal, to keep all this in proper perspective. Athletes go down all the time, and the games they play move on. Perspective is an excellent hedge against disappointment, and it helps you enjoy what you do have instead of grousing about what you might be missing. And whatever Nadal was doing in his free time these past few weeks, I?m pretty sure he wasn?t lying on the sofa, thinking, ?This game needs me. It would be so much better with me back in the mix.?

Well, he?s on the cusp of his return now, and the question of the moment is, Has anyone ever had a more complex, complicated and perhaps uncooperative set of knees than Nadal??Knee injuries, even those that require reconstructive surgery, are usually diagnosed, addressed, and resolved. I don?t know that any knee that?s been traumatized ever returns to 100 percent in every aspect, but I do know that sports abounds in athletes who enjoyed excellent and in some cases near miraculous recoveries?see Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson. And many of those recoveries have been from conditions ostensibly much more serious than the inflamed and slightly torn tendon(s) that have troubled Nadal.

Unfortunately, it doesn?t sound like Nadal has experienced any such aggressive bounce-back. As a result of his injury, Nadal has become either the greatest drama queen in the ATP, or an endangered champion who just took seven months off to address an injury that may?or may not?have been alleviated. That?s mildly astonishing. At the airport upon arrival in Chile, Nadal told reporters:

?My knee is much better, and this is the most important thing now because there's no risk of a big injury. But it?s still bothering me, which will keep me from playing all the time, which I would like to do.?

What exactly is Nadal saying here, and how can it be thought of as anything good? Or, is Nadal just preparing us to accept that he may be playing a drastically reduced schedule in the coming years? Given how often he?s complained over the past two years about the demands of the 11-month tour, as well as the treadmill-like nature of the ranking system, Nadal may be using his tender knees as an outlet for his frustration, and simmering disenchantment. Since none of his complaints seem to have gained much traction, perhaps he?s quietly doing what he feels he must in order to lead his life the way he wants.

The thing that gets me most in this protracted drama is the extent to which the Nadal camp has been wedded to non-surgical options. I understand why he wouldn?t want to go under the knife; nobody ever wants to do that if it can be avoided. But the unending warnings not to expect too much, the near-daily State-of-the-Inflammation address, the speculation about Nadal?s degree of participation?all of them eventually lead me to wonder if this reliance on therapy isn?t a mistake. Toni Nadal?s latest pronouncementwas, ?The knee is much better, but they?ve told us he will feel some discomfort and lack of mobility until the end of the month. But it?s definitely getting better.?

One the optimism scale of 1 to 10, I give that one a five.

Not to parse words (thrown like chunks of red meat to reporters) too closely, but is ?getting better? a good place from which to launch a return to the clay-court trenches? Can Rafa and Toni feel that their chosen course was a wise one if the prognosis is that he?ll feel ?some discomfort and lack of mobility? once he returns to competition?

It all makes me wonder what on earth is going to happen when Nadal has to run like he means it, lunge and change directions, and slide and push off with the kind of urgency you simply can?t mimic in practice.

These are relevant if nervous questions, and oddly lingering ones that have been touched upon time and again over Nadal?s entire absence, never with clear answers. One thing we can say about this strange and sad tale is that it has gone on for a long time, without a great deal of resolution.

It makes you wonder, what exactly would it take for Nadal and Toni Nadal to say something like, ?The treatment was successful, we?re ready and eager to go!? ees-ever/46312/

tennisnba , 2/7/13 9:15 PM

excuse. lack of confidence. losing to Rosol hurt his ego. and personal problems.. but, greatest clay player. its ok

tennisnba , 2/7/13 9:27 PM

Please to ignore the idiot's regurgitated post above. I did.


Conspirator , 2/7/13 10:11 PM

Rafa will play Gimeno-Travers in the Qtrs.

nadline , 2/7/13 10:36 PM

blowout city. we'll see if I get the score exactly correct like i did against Delbonis.

RickyDimon , 2/7/13 11:18 PM

Nadal/Monaco have beaten Rufin/ Volandri in the doubles.

nadline , 2/7/13 11:32 PM

I see that our resident nutcase troll decided to post in its entirety Pete Bodo's latest blog trashing Rafa. Now I wonder why tennisnba would do a thing like that? Hmmm...!

This is who Bodo is appealing to these days - the true lunatics and crazies who hate Rafa without reason.

Well now I am expecting Ricky to get the score exactly correct for Rafa's next match! Let's see if he can keep the streak going!

Nativenewyorker , 2/8/13 1:31 AM

i am massively doped on vamos.


rfzr , 2/8/13 2:19 AM

i went with 2 and 2

RickyDimon , 2/8/13 2:25 AM

Biggest closet Fedfan? Rubbish. Just because I like Nole doesn't mean I should treat him like some demi-god incapable of wrongdoing or whatever. Federer's years through 2004-2007 were unprecedented and a discussion about doping cannot exclude considering that.

I don't get what all the fuss about not having any proof before speculating. I mean seriously guys, where am I supposed to get proof from? All I'm saying is that the ITF's regime is woefully inadequate, and stories about doping are going haywire. Fuentes says he had 40 tennis clients and wanted to release the names of all his clients but the judge did not allow him to. In light of tennis's testing, what does that tell you?

I'm making my point trying to be absolutely impartial but a lot of your insecurities are coming up and that is evident when you call me a Fed fan. Notice that only Nadal fans are getting worked up about what I say. Zare, rfzr and numerous Nole fans have not said one word about my post about Nole.

Closet fed fan my a**. More like insecure Nadal fans who seem to think everything, even the inadequacy of dope testing revolves around Rafa.

samprallica , 2/8/13 8:22 AM

At least Nadal himself thinks the issue is important: s-puerto-trial-should-name-names-says-nadal

samprallica , 2/8/13 8:34 AM

^^^What do you mean by "at least Nadal??????????" Why??????????????????????

nadline , 2/8/13 10:00 AM

^^ I mean that while Nadal's fans moan about how doping doesn't need to be brought up and how it isn't relevant blah blah.... their player himself thinks it is a pretty important issue. This means that all of the top 4 players have recently issued multiple statements calling for better testing. That is a very positive sign, at least better than nothing.

samprallica , 2/8/13 10:19 AM

I don't think any Rafans have moaned about doping being discussed or not. What we object to, are the innuendos relating to Rafa for no good reason other than fighting back for him beating Fed up.

Those who deny Rafa's impact on the game, look no further than the ATP who agrees that "EVERYBODY IS WINNING WITH RAFA'

nadline , 2/8/13 10:29 AM

Rafa has had as much impact on the game as many other greats of the game. Are you seriously falling the ATP's latest business slogan?

Well if you want me to make you feel better, mono is linked to EPO usage. Happy?

samprallica , 2/8/13 10:36 AM

"Unfortunately, there are specific allegations being made against certain players. Just read samprallica's post @ 7:59 AM."

Specific allegations? What were the allegations that I made in that post? Protein shakes and vitamin tablets qualify as extra help. Pete Sampras used to take a whole load of multivitamins by his own admission. Does that qualify as illegal doping? No. Does it mean that Pete was using something outside the norm of regular nutrition to enhance his fitness? Yes.

In the same way, it would be extremely naive to think professional tennis players are not using such means. It is after all, classified as legal. I have never said Nole or Rafa or Roger or Andy were doping. All I'm saying is that it is a plausible scenario given how testing is carried out.

Now I'd like someone to reply to this point and say it isn't valid.

samprallica , 2/8/13 10:43 AM

Right now, Nadal has the biggest impact on the game. This is not just an ATP slogan, it is backed by this nt-192734397--ten.html

and many other such like manifestations of how tennis has come alive because of his return. Someone went to the extent of saying "Nadal is like an industry,'' Caro said. ''He generates a lot of money.''

The writer says ''All the sponsors used to hand out tickets to clients, and they weren't used. They will be used this time,'' Walker said. ''The local television stations that used to send out their second-level talent are sending out their top people. You can see them already here posing for photos with Nadal and asking for photographs. You know, acting like kids.''

That's the 'Nadal Effect'.

nadline , 2/8/13 10:45 AM

^^ Nadal the capitalist puppet? Doesn't impress me. Something that I've disliked about Roger and his squeaky clean made up image.

Give me Novak anyday.

samprallica , 2/8/13 10:49 AM

I'll let you enjoy the moment though. It is likely that Nadal will become less relevant to tennis in the near future - once the hype about his return settles. Nole and Andy seem ready to take it forward from here.

samprallica , 2/8/13 10:51 AM

You don't say! I'm sure Novak would give all his donkey milk to have the commercial appeal enjoyed by Rafa and Roger. Rafa just has to be Rafa, he doesn't even try. He just sees himself as a normal guy who is good at tennis. Some people have it and some don't.

nadline , 2/8/13 11:01 AM

Perhaps Novak would, but you're forgetting he has his own brand and his own appeal. Might not work with the politically correct media that likes its order.

Novak disturbed the duopoly. People have a hard time dealing with that, but I suggest they get used to it. He is here to stay for a while.


samprallica , 2/8/13 11:05 AM

"Take note Twinge "No men's match, in fact, had looked quite like this one for seven months."

Why Nagline, because it was SO bad perhaps?

Twinge , 2/8/13 11:46 AM

"Novak disturbed the duopoly. People have a hard time dealing with that, but I suggest they get used to it. He is here to stay for a while.

Disturbed the duopoly?!?
He smashed it into bitty pieces! And I applaud him for that (although i want Andy to kill him on the court lol)
The future will never be the same and some people will just have to suck it up.

Twinge , 2/8/13 11:50 AM

"^^ Nadal the capitalist puppet? Doesn't impress me. Something that I've disliked about Roger and his squeaky clean made up image.."

They both have squeeky clean made up images that the unwashed sheeple fall for hook, line & sinker.
I sense, at least, that Rafa is a nice fellow however.
Something I know federer is not & never will be.

Twinge , 2/8/13 11:53 AM

Why Nagline, because it was SO bad perhaps?
Twinge , 2/8/13 11:46 AM

Only people who can't read and understand will come to that conclusion reading that piece by Steve Tignor.....................or in denial.

nadline , 2/8/13 12:50 PM

You know Nadline you really need to get over yourself and Rafa at the same time.
I am not very interested in Rafa, I like him & will even root for him against certain players but he is not a player I generally support. You surely don't think that everyone should be interested in the things you are interested in, do you?
Because that's how you seem to think, judging from your posts.
I mean how deluded & solipsistic can a person be?

Twinge , 2/8/13 1:02 PM

"He just sees himself as a normal guy who is good at tennis..." nagline 11:01am

Gawd, she thinks she knows what he thinks.......

Twinge , 2/8/13 1:14 PM

^^^Rafa actually said that.

You are becoming a bore just because Murray won a slam. If other fans were going on about their players with multiple slams and numerous records that will never be broken, it would also become boring.

Calm down. Murray has only won the olympics and ONE slam for heaven's sake.

nadline , 2/8/13 1:36 PM

I am well aware of this, and acknowledge that the chances of Nole doping are about as good as Rafa's given recent history.

samprallica, 2/7/13 7:59 AM

As I said, general speculation on doping/PEDs? Nothing wrong with it. However, in the above quote, you are insinuating that Nole could be doping and then you have the audacity to quantifiy that insinuation by using Rafa as YOUR gold standard of doping suspects.

Please, feel free to enlighten me if I've somehow misinterpreted you because I'm an oversensitive Nadal fan.

Exactly when, I wonder, did you jump so strongly on the Nole bandwagon as your fav exactly. Not before 2011 I'm "insinuating."

Ooops, I forgot to leave off the quotation marks. Ricky, can you remove them for me please?


Conspirator , 2/8/13 2:02 PM

BTW, this bullshit talk on doping belongs on a story related to doping. Not on Approach Shots: Rafa is Back

Rafans are accused about making all threads about Rafa. Maybe Samprallica is a doping/PED fan as that is all he seems to talk about.


Conspirator , 2/8/13 2:12 PM

"If other fans were going on about their players with multiple slams and numerous records that will never be broken, it would also become boring..."

Ladies and gentlemen I present to you NADLINE.
A case in point of her own complaint.

Twinge , 2/8/13 2:15 PM

samprallica is obsessed with doping because he suspects Roger of doping. He tries to pretend that muscle building steroids are the ped of choice in tennis despite knowing that it is blood doping and HGH which are most in use.
So samprallica talks endlessly about bulk, says Roger looks weak, blah blah blah to distract us.
samprallica have you emailed ITF your concerns? Please do that instead of endlessly airing your fake concerns here.
Wayne Odesnik got caught with his haul of HGH ( no thanks to ITF, I think the credit goes to customs authorities). ITF seemed embarrassed and after pretending to take appropriate action reduced his sentence without any explanation. Suspicious, very suspicious. Did he threaten to reveal names of aging stars who were finding a resurgence? The media too has been remarkably quiet in this regard.
So samprallica goes to town about bulk, silent bans etc in order to distract attention from the glaringly obvious fact that HGH is in use in tennis.
Not only does ITF not have ANY tests for HGH, it refuses to even mete out appropriate punishment when a player is caught by physical search. If you ask me that shows ITF is protecting a certain aging star and samprallica should complain to ITF.
The only reason I talk about peds is because of Fedbots who are constantly accusing Rafa of doping whereas it is more likely that their fav is doping.

holdserve , 2/8/13 3:19 PM

i'm thinking about writing a blog that just says "discuss all things doping here" and nothing else

not even kidding

RickyDimon , 2/8/13 4:20 PM

...or Fed's Dirty Little Secret

Wait, was that inappropriate?

Sorry, just "channeling" my inner Samprallica.

#TherellBeNoMoreAhhahahButYouMayFeel ALittleSick

Conspirator , 2/8/13 5:16 PM

Good idea Ricky. Then maybe samprallica will confine his venom to one thread ( which I can avoid reading). It is very annoying having this hater constantly make sly accusations, throw out something about Rafa away for 6 months, say hmmm... after wondering about silent bans etc . The most annoying thing about this Fed bot is the fakeness and the slyness.

holdserve , 2/8/13 5:32 PM

@Conspirator, Nole could be doping, he might not be. It is the same with Rafa - he is not a gold standard and I didn't intend for my statement to come out like that. I should have said Rafa, Andy, Roger and the rest. Perhaps it is my English that is suspect in these statements - I have repeatedly stressed that I think anyone in the top 4 is as equally likely to be doping as the other. How you all miss these statements is beyond me.

All I was doing was responding to Twinge's comment regarding Nole being suspect, and with his amazing results over the last two years, I don't blame people. I have enjoyed the last couple of years a lot as a Nole fan, but no proper testing.

@holdserve, so what you are basically saying is that those players who didn't get injured over the last few years are the most suspect because HGH is not detectable? Fair point. I find Federer's not having a major injury an astonishing thing - a lot of people put it down to gamestyle but he still plays a way more punishing style than those in the 90s.

Of course, all this could be down to legal injury management and supreme focus on conditioning and scheduling.

"#TherellBeNoMoreAhhahahButYouMayFeel ALittleSick" - Hash tagging Pink Floyd? I wonder what Waters or Gilmour would make of the hash tag.

samprallica , 2/8/13 6:00 PM

samprallica do all rafa fans a favor by not using the word vamos in your posts. When used by Rafa fans it denotes love and hope. When used by a hater like you hot on the heels of sly accusations, that beloved word makes me cringe. Please do not contaminate that word.

holdserve , 2/8/13 6:15 PM

samprallica, ok, I did not see your post at 6.00 pm where you have tried to be fair. So I feel a bit bad. How about don't make sly accusations about Rafa and all of us turn our attention to discussing tennis without rancor? You are one of the knowledgeable fans here so if you could drop the sly accusations, I could enjoy your posts.

holdserve , 2/8/13 6:22 PM

I am well aware of this, and acknowledge that the chances of Nole doping are about as good as Rafa's given recent history.

Each one of the top 4 has had points in their careers when it seems like they might have gotten some extra help.

I find it interesting that Nole has repeatedly stressed he does anything in his power to recover, anything that is LEGAL. That word legal has been used by him a few times. So I don't think he is necessarily beyond extra help at all - all that is needed is a just process to ensure he isn't doping.

For the record, I am not against PEDs.

What I'm against is anyone gaining an unfair advantage just because they doped.

samprallica, 2/7/13 7:59 AM

So you aren't accusing anyone of doping? Really? You could have fooled me with the excerpts from this post. Also, you need to lose the amateur psychobabble about insecure Rafa fans! Give me a break! Don't presume to analyze us as a group as though we aren't unique individuals who are capable of thinking for ourselves!

Conspirator, 2/8/13 2:02 PM,

You made some of the points I wanted to make. Thank you for calling out samprallica for the constant innuendoes and insinuations about Rafa doping. Then this person has the gall to sound outraged and gets all defensive blaming Rafa fans! If you say it, then own it! Don't try to backslide or talk your way out of what you said.

Finally, I do have an issue with making accusations absent any credible proof or real substance or fact. You may not think it's a big deal, but that says more about you and your principles or integrity. Anyone can come on here and spew out baseless, groundless accusations. It doesn't take courage, intelligence or decency. If you want better testing, then take it up with the ITF! But to continue to go after Rafa as though it's almost a given that he is doping, is inexcusable and outrageous.

If you don't have proof, then all you have is suspicion. That's not good enough.

Nativenewyorker , 2/8/13 6:51 PM

I have repeatedly stressed that I think anyone in the top 4 is as equally likely to be doping as the other. How you all miss these statements is beyond me.
samprallica, 2/8/13 6:00 PM

Really? Many people post many thoughts over many times. Not everyone keeps a file on who says what about whom when so it really shouldn't be beyond you. And even if you make such statements in the past, does not mean that a differing statement on the surface is not how you feel now.

If you had worded that statement the way you say you intended then there is no problem. It is interesting that it is Rafa you picked to compare Nole regarding doping probability. Just coincidence and happenstance that it was not Roger.

Anyways, if you want to minimize misinterpretation, I suggest you choose your words carefully and try to have your posts stand on their own without readers having to put it into context with what you've said on other threads in the past.


Conspirator , 2/8/13 7:31 PM

Rafa beats G-Travers 61 64. Very good match GT played well. Good stretch for Rafa.

Vamos Rafa

nadline , 2/8/13 11:44 PM

Well said NNY and Conspirator! I hope Rafa is not being singled out in future where doping is concerned, but maybe Fed/Murray could be used as examples/reference points perhaps?? To be fair to the top four right? After all if one is doping, the other three should be doping too, if not how could they keep up with that doping guy, in terms of speed/power/fitness/stamina.

Yes, so Rafa wins his singles match again (unable to watch though), well done Rafa and into the SF(for both singles and doubles!) Vamos!

luckystar , 2/9/13 12:01 AM


Rafa is always being singled out, hence the so-called sensitivity of Rafa fans! I also agree with Conspirator that it was particularly galling to use Rafa as the supposed doping standard to gauge whether Nole is doping. Unbelievable!

What I notice is that the top four are incredibly fit. They have been able to rebound after tough matches and play back-to-back matches without collapsing. Nole went back to the drawing board after his loss to Rafa in the 2010 USO. He realized that he needed to raise his level of game, get even stronger and fitter and mentally tougher. Whether it was the gluten diet, his training regimen, a sports psychologist or whatever, he came out in 2011 and showed that he was ready to take the next step. We know how hard Murray trains. He works out in the humidity and heat of Miami to make sure that he is fit enough to stand the rigors of tough slam matches. His coach is a man who pushed himself to greater levels of athletic fitness in order to beat the likes of JMac and Connors.

I don't think any of the top four is doing anything special or controversial or suspicious to attain the levels of fitness that we have seen. It's too bad that people can't just believe in good, old-fashioned hard work, dedication, rigorous practice and tough training.

I didn't get to see Rafa's match. But it's great to come here and find out that he won and apparently played better. Thank goodness the tennis channel will be televising the semifinal matches tomorrow. I didn't even think of trying to find a livestream. But now I don't have to worry about that.

Keep it up, Rafa!

Nativenewyorker , 2/9/13 1:43 AM

nativeolddorker has an axe to grind.

like Constipator's suggestion for doping thread.


vamoooo oooooooooooooooos

rfzr , 2/9/13 3:11 AM


You really want to play that game? Either refer to my name correctly, or don't refer to me at all! But don't make accusations that have no merit. Also, don't presume to speak for me.

If you have a point to make, then make it! If you need pepto-bismol, then maybe it's all to much for you. Or maybe you are just a sour person who doesn't have anything to say.

Nativenewyorker , 2/9/13 5:34 AM

Nativenewyorker , 2/9/13 5:41 AM

So Rafa purposely lost early at Halle and Wimbledon because he's facing a silent ban? So he anticipated the ban and thus lost early?? If he's doping, I don't think he would need to go five sets and still lost to Rosol, after all, Rosol looked beatable after that fourth set before they closed the roof and allowed him a chance to rest for 45 mins and regrouped. Sometimes, these people choose to believe what they wanted to believe, even though there's no logic behind their belief.

Rafa had already suffered from bad knee since Miami; what was so difficult to believe that he could still beat anyone on clay, when he's on painkillers? The fact that he had even more tics before serving and returning serves told me that he was not calm, still, a nervous Rafa could beat anyone on clay. Even now, seven months out of competition, he could still play well enough on clay and won four matches (doubles plus singles), what more when he had the winning momentum with him back then at the 2012 clay season?

luckystar , 2/9/13 12:30 PM

Delusional people by definition are not guided by logic or facts.

holdserve , 2/9/13 4:24 PM

I don't know why Nadal is playing right now. I know he wants to be in peak form for the French Open, but I remember reading numerous times during his absence that he will take as long as he needs and will not consider returning until his knees are "absolutely 100%" The comments he's made recently indicate that they're clearly not 100% (though apparently close to it). It's nice to have him back, but I want to see him at his absolute best, especially when he (likely) faces Djokovic at the French.

ts38 , 2/10/13 6:13 AM

If he doesn't test it, how would he know that it's at 100%, or not? According to his doctors, his knee has healed completely and good to compete; he feeling pain is normal as he now has to stress the knee again and the initial reaction would be soreness for his knee, after seven months of no competition. The pain would go away in a few weeks time, his doctor had told him.

Right now he's slowly but steadily getting match fit, we his fans are all very happy to see him back on the tennis court competing, and trust that he knows what's best for him to do and what to avoid doing.

luckystar , 2/10/13 8:47 AM


Well said, lucky! Also, I guess that people really didn't want to read Rafa's interview with L'Equipe in its entirety because he discusses the knee. The pain is because the tendon has reformed. There will be soreness and some pain. The doctors would not have let him come back if he wasn't okay to play.

What is Rafa supposed to do? Just practice up until the clay court season? He needs match play. The good thing is that he is coming back on clay which is the best surface for his knee and body. I think this really is the ideal tournament for him.

As lucky said, how will Rafa know if his knee is really okay if he doesn't put it to the test? This is what he has been waiting for - the chance to get on a court and put his knee under maximum stress in compeitition.

I think we should just let Rafa, his doctor and his team make the decisions regarding his comeback. There has been a lot of hard work and effort put into Rafa's recovery. Their goal is to help him succeed. I actually think that playing matches will help Rafa because finally he can see how his knee holds up in real competition.

Nativenewyorker , 2/10/13 9:30 AM

In 2009 Rafa came back to the courts soon enough but not the "winning" Rafa. It took him 11 months to be back to his "wining" ways. This time as we had to wait 7 months before he stepped back on the court, wouldn't it be great if he wins every clay court tournament he enters from the word Go and then tops up this experience for us with a win at Wimbly! Though the last might be a big ask as the "mighty" Fed will be getting a cupcake draw. Rafa is the one who will be given the toughest draw (if he has signaled his return to the top by winning RG) to increase the Fed's chances. But even if that happens, I don't care.
There was a time when I hated it when the media called him king of clay as I thought they meant to 1-dimensionalize him. He was the KING, period! But now, that king of clay title seems to suit him. He is the king of clay who extended his dominion to other surfaces.

holdserve , 2/10/13 10:56 AM


Boy you're right. It seems NNY does have some stupid axe to grind. Her constant "oh, you're questioning rafa so you must be an ass" attitude really gets annoying. If his doctors knew what was best for him and he listened to them he would never have had to take a 7 month break in the first place.

Lucky, I though he said the knee was sore even before the tournament began?

ts38 , 2/10/13 9:13 PM

ts38, 10-18.


Conspirator , 2/10/13 10:04 PM


ts38 , 2/10/13 10:11 PM


Quit instigating! The one who has some stupid axe to grind is you! Since when did I ever say - oh you are questioning Rafa so you must be an ass? Or are you just making up your own words and putting them in my mouth? Or are you having reading comprehension problems?

You questioning his doctors would be laughable if it wasn't so insulting! So what are you now - a knee specialist? You know it all? Talk about delusions of grandeur!

You and rfzr are just trying to rile up Rafa fans because you obviously have nothing better to do with your time.

Also, if you bothered to read Rafa's interview with L'Equipe, then you would know about the knee pain and the reason for it. So do some reading and learn the fact before you jump to dumb and erroneous conclusions!

Nativenewyorker , 2/10/13 10:55 PM

ts38, 2/10/13 10:11 PM


Conspirator , 2/10/13 11:02 PM

And if Nadal had been playing the second half of last year the h2h could be like 10-20 or 10-22 or 12-18. Instead those matches never took place. What's your point?

#Conspirator butts in with nothing interesting or relevant to say...again.

ts38 , 2/11/13 12:12 AM

Look who is talking about having nothing interesting or relevant to say! LOL!

Nativenewyorker , 2/11/13 12:14 AM

Really? You can't figure out the relevance? The reason you are criticizing Rafa? Again?


Conspirator , 2/11/13 12:19 AM

Oh, I get it now. NNY and Conspirator think I was Nadal-bashing, that's why they jumped with their idiocy. It's still funny that although I really don't care about the legacy of Federer or Nadal (I just enjoy watching good tennis), Connie thinks it'll get a rise out of me that Nadal usually beats Federer. For all I care, their h2h could be 0-200. Their matches are still fun to watch.

ts38 , 2/11/13 1:55 AM

I don't think his knees were sore before the tournament started. He just had some pain and that's understandable, because if you'd not competed for seven months, you would feel the pain once you started exerting pressure on your joint (knee), even during practices. His doctor had told him the pain would go away in a few weeks.

luckystar , 2/11/13 2:00 AM

The fans with numbers in their names seem to be Fedfarts or Rafa haters like ts38, chr18, torres9, ed(some numbers). Beware all numbered characters. Maybe they are bots.

holdserve , 2/11/13 2:05 AM

Oh, I get it now
ts38, 2/11/13 1:55

No, I think you got it from the beginning.

You're either playing stupid or just plain stupid.

Beginning to suspect the latter.


Conspirator , 2/11/13 3:11 AM

I hope so lucky. I know that doctors are not infallable, they're human like anybody else. Dinara Safina got the go-ahead to play from her doctor while she was suffering from a serious back injury. It turned out her doctor was dead wrong and her playing on made her injury far worse and basically ended her career. I hope Rafa recovers completely before the Euro clay season and produces his highest quality tennis.

As for conspirator, I can't be bothered to converse anymore with people dumb enough to believe I'm a closet fan of anybody. You throwing in my face that Nadal has a lopsided h2h against Federer is as laughably moronic as me making fun of you because Grega Zemlja is 1-0 against Ricardo Mello and telling you to stop crying about it.
I'm done talking to you right now, have your last word and save your face.

ts38 , 2/11/13 3:51 AM

You call that conversing? Wow.

No need for me to save face. Your own stupidity speaks for itself LOL...

And I'm with scoretracker. Deal with it, loser.
ts38, 9/5/12 8:16 AM

Maybe he's too busy playing poker
ts38, 8/10/12 5:00 AM


Conspirator , 2/11/13 4:00 AM

Well Ricky your prediction of nadal finishing runner up was spot on(just the wrong opponent!) Good work.

tj600 , 2/11/13 4:44 AM

ts38 is like samprallica claiming he is not a Fedbot.

holdserve , 2/11/13 5:22 AM

tj600, 2/11/13 4:44 AM,

You know, I had forgotten all about Ricky's predicition! Yes, it's true that he did predict Rafa to be the runnerup here. He just thought it would be Monaco who would beat him.

Nativenewyorker , 2/11/13 5:48 AM

ts, I think you can't compare a serious back injury to a knee injury. Worst come to worst, Rafa could take the surgery route. Back injury, on the other hand, would be more complicated. We have to wait and see how things go for Rafa. He's still eager to regain his match fitness and will be playing doubles at Brazil with Nalby too. Somehow I think that Rafa feels obligated to play as many matches as possible, maybe to justify his appearance fees? For he doesn't know how many rounds he can play without losing. The tournaments will get tougher as in Brazil there're many more good clay court players, and come Acapulco, Ferrer will be there. After that there're IW and Miami, where the top three will be there. He has a good one and a half months to get ready for the two hard court Masters. I think after that, if everything is in order, he should be ready for the European clay court swing. If Rafa can win any slam this year, he'll be the first person to win a slam for nine consecutive years, I'm seriously hoping for him to get that record. Rafa my dear, are you listening?

luckystar , 2/11/13 8:13 AM

Yeah I'm still torn on who I'm rooting for come the French Open. I kind of want Nadal to win and watch him continue to smash all previous records. OTOH I want Djokovic to win because I think he's deserving of the Career Slam that Rafa and Federer have. All the more reason I hope Rafa is 100% healthy. Stakes like that just seem tainted if they're not both at their best, you know?

ts38 , 2/11/13 9:20 AM

To me winning slams in consecutive nine years is more special a record, I mean how many nine years a player has? Nole could still win the FO some other years, not necessarily this year! For Rafa, the FO is the most important slam for him to win, not winning it this year will affect his Wimbledon performance and his USO; so I think his best chance this year is the FO.

Anyway, I don't foresee Nole winning Wimbledon and the calendar slam, so not winning the FO this year may not be a big regret for him, unlike his 2011 or his Nole slam at the FO2012.

luckystar , 2/11/13 10:46 AM

Can't see how you would be torn. I'm yet to see one sincerely positive post about Rafa from you.

BTW, I do think Nole has a real shot at the calendar slam this year if Rafa doesn't win the FO. Other than a healthy Rafa, only Murray stands in his way as a huge threat. Delpo, Berdych and Tsonga are minor threats but Nole can handle them more often than not.

With none of the young guys making a substantive move, tennis really needs a healthy Rafa or we could be in for some lean years with Nole taking 2-3 slams per year ala Fed during weak era.


Conspirator , 2/11/13 1:44 PM

..and of course Fed, two months shy of his 32 birthday at the next slam, is somewhere between, certainly more than a minor threat, but not like Muzz going forward. Nole is a significantly bigger favourite over Fed than he is over Muzz now.

Conspirator , 2/11/13 1:58 PM

^^Andy hasnt peaked yet. He's the late bloomer but I see it more as Andy being the first of how things are going to be from now on in. The whole thing has yet to hit the slipstream, it might require some kind of eureka event (& no that wasn't winning his first slam), maybe winning Wimbledon. But it is coming together with increasing momentum now & he already has the game to trouble Novak at the highest levels when he is fit, & on any surface. Always.
Either way i agree (unsurprisingly) with Lucky, Novak will be all guns blazing at RG but Andy (& perhaps Roger) can close him off by Wimbledon.
And this idea that only Rafa can stop him is completely unsupported by the facts other than on clay.
Although maybe not this year we will have to see if Rafa has enough time to prepare for MC.

Twinge , 2/11/13 2:14 PM

^^Also i just can't even imagine Andy winning the FO this year but i do see him as a potential spoiler for Novak if he further improves his game this year on clay, in the same way Roger was a spoiler at the AO for Andy. And Novak at the FO in 2011.
I remember the Rome match Andy should have won a few years back PL (pre lendl)

Twinge , 2/11/13 2:23 PM

Yes, that rome match was a very impressive performance on clay by andy. It's even more remarkable when you take into account that Novak was at his absolute peak during that period.

tj600 , 2/11/13 2:36 PM

Why are you guys talking about the FO? It's the Wimbledon that Nole has problem winning, with both Murray and Fed around, if we assume Rafa hasn't get back to his good level on clay by the FO this year. Even if Fedal really faded away one day, Murray is there to prevent Nole from getting the calendar slam. They may each win two slams a year - Nole at AO and FO ; Murray at Wimbledon and USO - when Fedal could no longer win any. Of course that's assuming the others couldn't catch up with them.

luckystar , 2/11/13 2:44 PM

I read two interesting bits. One is about Monica Seles. She returned after 2 years and straightaway won the Canadian Open. Everybody thought the old Monica is back. But she wasn't. She was never back to her old self again.
A champion is a complex mix of talent, fitness and mental strength.
Another is about knee surgery. Apparently with advanced techniques, knee injuries to tendons can be fully healed (read it in connection with Lindsey Vonn's injury). Though there could be a lay over of 8 months to a year.
So why did Rafa not opt for the surgical route? Of course, I don't know exactly what is Rafa's injury. Don't know whether applicable to Rafa.
But I read somewhere that if his rehab is not ok, he might need surgery.
If he tests his knee now, doesn't find it ok, opts for surgery, then by the time he comes back, he will be 28. Frankly, if that happens, I very much doubt that he will be no. 1 again.
Of course I have Muzza but not having Rafa makes tennis less interesting. The Rafa Muzza matches, the Rafa- Fed or Rafa-Nole matches are definitely more interesting than the Nole-Muzza, Muzza-Fed or Nole-Fed ones.
Let us hope Rafa chose wisely and the non-surgical route works.

holdserve , 2/11/13 3:56 PM

Unless the torn tendon problem is more serious than we thought, why would he need surgery when given time, his tendons would heal and the tendinitis problem recovered to an acceptable level? More so he had his PRP treatments done previously and has his tendons regenerated at a quicker pace than before the said PRP treatments. Unless the inflammation of the hoffa's fat pad has not healed completely, in which surgery is a good option to solve the problem.

Lets wait and see how things go for him, hopefully he can get back to his best level without the need for surgery. Anyway, he'll be 27 soon and he may slow down a bit, just like Fed in 2008 after his mono. Fed did get back to a high level after that, in 2009/2010 and then in 2012; so there's hope for Rafa even if he needs to undergo surgery and comes back in another eight months. Rafa getting to no.1 again? I hope he can do that, like Fed did, by planning wisely and targeting the right tournaments to play, like playing eight clay tournaments, two grass and then getting to at least the QFs on the hard courts for the remaining hard court tournaments. Murray joining in the hunt for important titles may actually help Rafa, just like Nole vs Rafa indirectly helping Fed to get to the no.1 again in 2012.

luckystar , 2/11/13 4:33 PM

What happened to Federer's forehand? He needs it back badly
ts38, 9/6/12 4:24 AM

if d-bags like twinge and holdserve didn't have someone to hate on they'd probably shrivel up and die. Take the consecutive posts above for instance. He can't even think anything through enough to keep his thoughts in one bubble.
ts38, 9/14/12 10:38 AM

The miami match may have been a fluke, or Fed himself said he was tired from playing so much tennis. But I also think that if Roddick were born 5-6 years later he would still be near the top competing for big tournaments.
ts38, 12/4/12 3:18 AM

^Yeah unlike Murray who always destroys Fed in their GS finals. How many majors has he won again? How many weeks was he ever world No. 1??? I forgot...^
ts38, 8/1/12 7:09 AM

Yes much like jean can't stop talking about Roger, the Greatest Of All Time...
I think jean is a closet Federer fan! After all, I think I've seen more articles, clips, and information about Roger from jean than any other poster here. Lots of obscure sources (read: takes lots of time researching Federer to find them) too..
I'm still not quite believing he/she/it actually watches tennis...
And I'm with scoretracker. "Andy Roddick has more personality in his little finger than your precious Rafa will ever have in his whole life." Deal with it, loser.
ts38, 9/5/12 8:16 AM

LOL zare jumping on Federer for possibly dropping the f-bomb once or twice, while the opponent he was playing averages 1-2 hundred times per match.
ts38, 1/26/13 12:31 AM

^^^^ a cursory glance at your typical posts reveals a likely fan of all tennis American and with Roddick gone and nothing real on the horizon in that vein, you're just a somewhat bitter half-hearted Fed troll biding his time by attacking Rafans and Muzzans primarily.


Conspirator , 2/11/13 5:22 PM


Well done! There's nothing like using someone's own words to take them down!

As far as questioning Rafa's decision not to have surgery, that is what Pete Bodo did in his latest blog. He said a lot of other annoying and unflattering things, but that kind of second guessing after the fact is something that I don't really appreciate.

Rafa had his doctor working with him. They had the tests and the diagnosis. They had their reasons for opting for the more conservative route of physiotherapy and rehab. If something can heal without surgery, then why do it? I just think it makes no sense to speculate on things we don't know about. The scans showed that the injury was completely healed, the tendon has reformed or regenerated and there is some pain at this time because of that. I think that the decisions that were made, were done to try to extend Rafa's career.

Comparing back problems with knee problems is really apples and oranges. Two completely different things. It's too soon to speculate what will happen at the FO. We have to see if Rafa can get back to his best form. I think these tournaments are for match play and to help Rafa get his stamina, strength and game back. Winning here is not important. As he said himself, it would hurt a lot more to lose at the FO than to lose one of these clay court tournaments.

Nativenewyorker , 2/11/13 7:16 PM

"I read two interesting bits. One is about Monica Seles. She returned after 2 years and straightaway won the Canadian Open. Everybody thought the old Monica is back. But she wasn't. She was never back to her old self again."

What happened to Monica was just the epitome of traumatic on a tennis court. Its a shame considering that no one had achieved so much so young (perhaps with the exception of Messrs Nadal and Borg). She should have won a lot more.

I don't think the same applies to Nadal - he will be back and should compete for some time at the top and be a genuine contender for slams.

samprallica , 2/11/13 8:04 PM

When Serena came back from injury it took her a while to get her game fully back. She lost to all sorts of people before she eventually got back on top of her game and dominated for the most part of 2012. Her loss to Sloane was due to her ankle injury which looked like a balloon only days after she lost.

nadline , 2/11/13 11:08 PM

I'm not sure it would be wise to write Rafa off ever. Even if Nole did win the FO, I don't see Rafa just rolling over and giving away Wimbledon or the USO. It may affect him personally, but he's always been the kind of player who fights to the death for every point of every match no matter what. It's like when he lost his 7th straight, he said he had nothing but positives to take away from it. I'd still like his chances at Wimbledon if he finished runner-up (or sf) at RG.

ts38 , 2/12/13 12:44 AM

nativeolddorker has an axe to grind.

like Constipator's suggestion for doping thread.


vamoooo oooooooooooooooos

rfzr, 2/9/13 3:11 AM

So funny. You guys are now getting a taste of what I had to deal with from the two drama queens, two peas in a pod. I think God threw away the mold when those two came into existence, coz a serious mistake was made and it was best not epeated ever again.

scoretracker , 2/12/13 2:45 AM

Yeah but there's not really much to engage in with them. Taking random quotes out of context (which by the way makes me wonder how much time was spent digging through months old threads to find them...I guess some high school kids really don't have anything better to do) and jumping in to give kudos doesn't really warrant any kind of response. At least nothing they could understand. As usual, NNY missed my point, thinking I was comparing a back injury to a knee injury. My point is that doctors are not infallable and gave evidence to back it up. I don't know what the use is anymore. There are intelligent posters here, it's just frustrating to dig through the noise to find them.

ts38 , 2/12/13 4:18 AM

Hahahahahahaha. Such innocents...

I don't understand why every thread, no matter the topic, has to degrade into "I know you are, but what am I" type arguments. They serve NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER.

Scoretracker, you've succeeded in getting me FOUR e-mail complaints in two days from 3 different fanbases. I've had enough. You get a one-week ban from tennistalk.

ts38, Sienna and Fleur, you can consider Scoretracker's temporary ban as a warning. KEEP ON TOPIC and stop personally insulting each other. You're acting like children, the lot of you.
cherylmurray, 11/13/11 2:11 PM


Conspirator , 2/12/13 5:02 AM

I suppose it's an exercise in futility to say I never saw the above post and judging from connie's recent post speaking with certainty and rather authoritatively that tennisnba was banned, I suppose she conjured up that post of 11/13/11. LOL you're even worse than a vaudeville act. If indeed those complaints were sent, I won't put it past those involved are some of the same posters on here who are blogging on other sites, under different names, that sent those emails. How low can you go??????. Same old same old, different name, but same people. such devious minds. but, par for the course from the magnificent foursome to keep some of us away from Rafa's personal site. Notyice, it was onlyu the Fed fans that were targeted. How transparent. It makes sense why some have been invading other sites coz things have really gotten bad here, especially after they messed it up here. Now they're spewing their dirt elsewhere.

All i can say, connie certainly has a lot of time on her hands to dig through so many, many posts from over a year ago, and I don't believe her one bit.. LOL.How, and where do you keep track of the garbage that you dig up? In some database I suppose, namely 'Connie's dirt on posters she hates". It shows a very, very crazy mind. WOW.

Oh connie, do you have a crystal ball showing you when you'll be banned? Ii hope so, coz you and your other partner definitely needs one. What a duo!!!

scoretracker , 2/12/13 6:39 AM

Forgot to mention that I posted here today to apprise the crazy two that I'm aware of the many fights they get themselves into, NON-STOP. bwahahaha.. CARRY ON, NOTHING TO DO AND ALL DAY TO DO IT IN. have fun doing what makes you happy. NOT!

scoretracker , 2/12/13 6:43 AM

Why am I surprised that our resident troublemaker has jumped right into the fray to join forces with the likes of ts38! Talk about same old, same old! That record has been played so often that it must be warped! Yes! That's it! A warped mind that gravitates to similar souls who come on here to trash and attack posters because they have absolutely nothing else of merit or worth to offer.

The idea that ts38 would presume that he is an intelligent poster is evidence of just how out of touch this person really is!

Conspirator, 2/12/13 5:02 AM,

Thank for your digging up those comments from the past! It's a timely reminder of just who is who here. We should not forget! When you get a response, then you know that you have hit home!

Nativenewyorker , 2/12/13 7:27 AM

The dynamic duo, NOT, have got to console each other, coz now their so-called friends have deserted them, and they're fighting with everyone else. Two of the most pathetic people who desperately need each other.

The fact that mamma bear has commented is fact that i've hit a nerve. connie hasn't hit home on anything considering she is a manufacturer of things that don't exist, e.g., seeing racist comments, per other nick, and her conversations between herself and hawkeye, with wilma agreeing with herself 9connie). How sad and pathetic a life so messed up.

scoretracker , 2/12/13 8:31 AM

Who has the messed up life? A loser who targets certain people on this site and just cannot stay away? Yep, that's it! Talk about not having friends! Someone is obsessed with having friends, yet criticizes others for supposedly trying to be liked or popular or get in with certain people.

This from a person who has whined and tried to play the victim. Too bad no one here is buying it! It's really old news, but it's so typical that this person has to crawl out from their hiding place. Oh and I see that the usual bizarre accusations about some of us posting on other sites under different screen names is still being thrown around for good measure!

Talk about having nothing to do with your life! We have a self-designated internet police person supposedly monitoring the activities of people on different sites! And this is the person who accuses others of having nothing to do with their time? LOL!

Nativenewyorker , 2/12/13 9:39 AM

For scrottracker...

Took me all of 20 seconds to find LOL.



Conspirator , 2/12/13 2:31 PM

Last one (I couldn't resist). Trouble in paradise from ts38 to scrottracker...

OK seriously scoretracker, now I am gonna single you out. This is out of morbid curiosity: how long does it take you to write these rants??? It's a nice little touch to have such non-repetitive, perfectly punctuated and edited posts with the "typos" thrown in to make it look like you didn't spend hours proofreading your rants on NativeNewYorker. Even the most avid of all texters fails to write coz instead of because when truly just typing and sending....unlike you. (I bet you're gonna ask me how I know that)
ts38, 10/24/11 7:19 AM


BTW, these are soooo easy to find LOL.


Conspirator , 2/12/13 2:42 PM

"Djokovic is lucky, give me two years without injury and...": Nadal

Nadal after Vina: ''I must learn to accept this condition and live with the pain''

excuse as usual.

tennisnba , 2/12/13 3:05 PM

^^^^ KING of the tinfoil wingnuts.

Conspirator , 2/12/13 3:29 PM

"Take the consecutive posts above for instance. He can't even think anything through enough to keep his thoughts in one bubble..."

Yeah I must be an even bigger moron than you are eh?
lol Really, is this the best you can do t38?
I wouldn't even normally notice a non entity like you, but for your lily livered whining about me.
Oh and your creepy `Burke & Hare` butt munching of scoretracker, which has already been confirmed by Conspirator as as a match made in hell (already known).
You need to crawl away and shrivel methinks as you are only here to troll, I find it strange that you insist in posting here when;
a. Roddick is history.
b. You are uninteresting.
Please its time to take up stamp collecting or something for the time being.

Twinge , 2/12/13 4:01 PM

tennisnba, 2/12/13 3:05 PM

"It's KILLING me!!!!": Federer, AO09
"Confidence? Are you kidding me? I mean, please. Look, some players grow up and play like that.": Federer, UO11
"Shut up!!!!": Federer, FO12
"You F@#king Stopped!!!": Federer, AO13

whine, yell, cry, excuse as usual

Conspirator , 2/12/13 4:26 PM

"Who has the messed up life? A loser who targets certain people on this site and just cannot stay away? Yep, that's it! Talk about not having friends! Someone is obsessed with having friends, yet criticizes others for supposedly trying to be liked or popular or get in with certain people. nutnewyorker 2/12/13 9:39 AM

You are the one with the messed up life and the loser. You've vocalized your wishes so clearly, I know you want me to stay away, and for mny others to do the same, those you hate, which are many. I also know it's why you target a d foamup so much when you see others here who don't suck up to you.

FYI, you don't own this site and I can comment on here whenever I like. That goes for too conn-stipator, who needs some draino to flush her out her junk and stupidity. She's sunk to a new low digging up past posts written by those who are hip to her many nicks. It'll be fun to watch when she and nnyativedorker starts finghting. I'll post again when I see more fights, to let you all know that the foammouth has to fight with someone coz it's her personality, -- she thrives on hate, by pretending to be a being saint, .Thus, far, she has 3 fights going at the same time, and the next will be connie you can bet on it. buh bye

The new trio is: Twinge, pain in the ass, connie and nndorker,. Lovely match made frim the pit of hell where they reside.

scoretracker , 2/12/13 5:25 PM

@Cheryl, my apologies for the long post. In the future I'll do my best to keep things short.
scrottracker, 10/25/11 12:02 AM


Conspirator , 2/12/13 5:31 PM

"Lovely match made frim the pit of hell where they reside..."

Actually I reside in a big house in central London, & its very nice indeed :)
But if there is a hell, I'd rather be there than endure an eternity in heaven with a tedious sanctimonious bu**s**ter like yourself.
Now that would be the real hell.
Although I'm not entirely convinced you would even make it to heaven ofcourse. lol.

Twinge , 2/12/13 5:47 PM

hey connie-stipator, take your draino and shut up. It's flush time. You and the nnydorker make a good trio. I hope she turns on you like she's turned on the others, but I doubt that will happen coz she likes how you kiss her butt all.....the... time... phew.

YOU ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD BE BANNED, coz all you live for is to persecute other posters who are not of the butt=kissing clan. ewww. You two will be the last on this site, holding up the pillars like Hercules, after you've suceeeded in driving away all others. enjoy the ugliness.

scoretracker , 2/12/13 5:49 PM

hey twinge, I guess you and the nnydorker have made up. You chased away your other friends.

Gimme a break, you live in a big house in London and is on here blogging?Yeah, many can dream on the internet to make themselves look good. why aren't you having tea with the queen, instead of writing your trashy posts? LOL some of you have such imaginations. Big house my foot in central london bwahahaha. OK Mr. sell enjoy your imagined dreams. Maybe someday they'll come true dreamer. If inded you want that big house, then you need to rinse out your tonge with some vinegar, you boring old fart. .

scoretracker , 2/12/13 5:54 PM

scrottracker, 2/12/13 5:49 PM

Your words, not mine!!!! LOL. What a goof.

Twinge, too funny!


Conspirator , 2/12/13 6:01 PM

Sorry its not a dream, its a fact but believe what you like.
Some of us dont have to be wage rats like yourself.
Although why you seem to think we would be interested in your pointless bourgeois
existence & travel plans with your `girlfriend` & other drivel has always perplexed me.
Really no one cares whether you live or die here scoretracker.
And I post here whenever i have the time because its fun to wind up non entities like yourself and unlike you i am actually very interested in tennis too :)
Oh and i am NOT old.

Twinge , 2/12/13 6:05 PM

connie, remember to activate willma so she could agree with you. You all deserve each other, a foam-mouth, an old fart/windbag, and a constipated moron who's plugged up trying to let out stuff out of the wrong end. Your draino should work fine after about one-half the bottle, then you'll be regurgitating from the other end.

scoretracker , 2/12/13 6:09 PM

@twinge, I used to come here to post my comments on tennis, but the dorker had an axe to grind , (her job as she's stated is never done on here) and then she was assisted you you, connie and the others. Hence, it made posting a nightmare, so now all I come here to do is to remind all of you that you fight all the time, and you drive away others, and I'm not even here.So look who's fighting. nndorker, twinge in the butt, constipated/wilma. The other posters are busy elswhere. You've made things very boring or you're so dumb that you can't see that?

Anyway, time for to go move on again, but I'll be back when I see more fights. don't you just love it. twingey the swel;l, esquire, and true-blue blood who lives on the West-ide of London, in a HOUSE, not a flat, but a BIG HOUSE> What an aristocrat. bwahahahaha

scoretracker , 2/12/13 6:15 PM

^^^ Wow shortest post ever from scrottracker!!!

@Cheryl, my apologies for the long post. In the future I'll do my best to keep things short.
scrottracker, 10/25/11 12:02 AM


Conspirator , 2/12/13 6:17 PM

...aaaaand, HE'S OFF THIS THREAD!!!! GET IT?!?!?!?!

Girlfriend? Scrottracker? Now THERE is a relationship where he has the upper 'hand'.


Now, back to our previously scheduled program....

Jon Wertheim ?@jon_wertheim
Will include in Mailbag tomorrow but just got a dispatch from Chile and, man, did #Nadal comport himself like a pro off the court...


Conspirator , 2/12/13 6:25 PM

You have no idea scoretracker.
Look I'm sorry for not sharing your pain, its not my fault that your life is such a misery that you have to stalk tennis blogs until your name is mentioned in them and then magically reappear when it is.
Honestly i dont care what anybody thinks here but it is as plain as day that you do, and that to me is really kinda pathetic. I suspect you spend the entire year thinking about the people who have discussed you here and what it means to you. You really need to get a life & not be so upset about who says what on tennistalk.
You are a bit of a p**is really aren't you?
And no, although i rarely even bother with your posts its clear that you are not here to discuss tennis at all.
Its all rather unseemly if you ask me.
Go get your er girlfriend a valentines day gift or something.

Twinge , 2/12/13 6:31 PM

I'd like to stay and trade barbs with you oh twinge, the pain in the butt, but gotta go coz you ain't worth it. stay warm in your heatless tenement that's big, minus walls, and hotwater. poor chap he's so cold. brrrrr.

BTW, counting nnydorker, nadline and the others, I thinl you only got 3 friends left, two have taken a sabattical, and one is busy giving hell to others on another site. have fun with connie on V night, in your posh, without walls, big house. ok guvnor? As in eliza doolittle. That's where I think you live. yeah, the likes of you, that's for sure. big house in central lonfon, bwahahaha.

scoretracker , 2/12/13 7:13 PM

ne no ne no
Do you hear the sirens scoretraker?
Actually i think you also live in a big house, a VERY big one, with bright white walls harsh lighting & a big fat nurse that rams drugs up your butt every day.
Is your hour out now at an end?
You really are a rather disturbed, lost creature & you will suffer in this world to your last breath.
That much is crystal clear ;)

Twinge , 2/12/13 7:44 PM

Anyway, time for to go move on again
scoretracker, 2/12/13 6:15 PM

Well, that was short lived.

He's on this thread, GOT IT!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!


Conspirator , 2/12/13 7:45 PM

^^^on the thread but right off of his head!

Twinge , 2/12/13 7:56 PM

Conspirator, 2/12/13 4:26 PM

Absolutely love that post. At least there's something to disprove the concept of Saint Federer, but try telling that to the media.

samprallica , 2/13/13 10:41 AM

That's some serious digging. No life whatsoever.

ts38 , 2/13/13 9:41 PM

When you know how, it takes noooo time at all. It's really not that difficult.

Besides you have it wrong. No life is being banned from TT!!!! How bad is that?



Conspirator , 2/13/13 10:47 PM

Nadal: 'The ATP worries too little about the players'

SAO PAULO -- Rafael Nadal criticized the ATP on Tuesday for not doing enough to protect players' health, saying the increase in hard-court events will lead to long-term injuries that will affect players after they retire.

"The ATP worries too little about the players," said Nadal, who was in Brazil to play his second tournament after a seven-month layoff from a left-knee injury. "It should care more for them."

The 11-time Grand Slam winner said he doesn't expect major changes anytime soon, but thinks it's time tennis officials consider ways to improve the players' long-term health.

"For future generations, it would be good to see a less aggressive tennis life," he said. "Not only because of what happens during your career, but also because of what happens after your career, about how is your body when your tennis career is over."

Nadal said because of the way he's played tennis, it's unlikely he'll be a recreational athlete after his professional career.

"After ending the career it would be nice to be able to play football with friends or tennis," he said. "But with this surface, I don't think it's going to be possible."

The 26-year-old Nadal said hard courts were "too tough" on players' bodies and made it difficult to avoid injuries. Tennis is the only major sport where players have to play on cement, said the greatest clay-court player of the Open era.

"This is not a subject for the players, it's a matter for doctors," he said. "The ATP has to start thinking about ways to lengthen the players' careers. I can't imagine football players playing on cement, I can't imagine any other sport involving aggressive movements such as tennis being played on such aggressive surfaces such as ours. We are the only sport in the world making this mistake, and it won't change."

Nadal also complained about the tour's attempt to strictly enforce the 25-second rule between serves, saying it will not benefit the sport.

"People like to see great rallies, long matches, and for that to happen, the 25 seconds are not enough," he said. "If the ATP wants a sport which is faster but doesn't take into consideration a lot of strategy or great rallies, then it's right doing this. I think the players in the locker rooms are not very happy with that rule."

Nadal, who lost in the final of his first comeback tournament in Chile last week, said he wasn't worried about wins and his main focus is to regain rhythm on the court.

"I need time, I need weeks of matches and practice," he said. "I'm not prepared to think about titles yet, I'm thinking day-to-day. After so many months without playing, it's hard to think about titles."

Nadal said he's still feeling pain in his knee, but it's getting better.

"There are days in which it hurts and it limits me physically, but there are days when it's better," he said. "During the bad days it's complicated. But it's positive because a month ago maybe 80 percent of the days were bad, now it's 70 percent of the days and next week or within a month it will probably be 50 percent."

Nadal dismissed changing his style to try to extend his career.

"I'm not that good to be able to reprogram my style, I only have one, it's virtually impossible to change it," he said. "I'm confident that my body will hold up. I'm not sure it will happen next week, or next year, but I'm confident that it will be like before again."

He said he wants to be fully fit to play at the 2016 Rio Olympics, which he acknowledged likely will be his last.

"Playing in 2016 is a long-term goal, but it's very real," he said. "I will be working daily to make sure I can play in 2016 and play well."

Nadal plays doubles on Tuesday and singles on Thursday. e-about-players/46389/#.URuNY_JZOft

tennisnba , 2/14/13 9:21 AM

Nadal after lose Vina: ''I must learn to accept this condition and live with the pain''

'Physically i'm feeling better each day. I'm still missing some things like my usual reaction speed, reflexes, the energy to withstand difficult moments on court and can't hit the ball as quick as before (to the max of my capabilities). All these things can be sorted out by just playing and competing. The knee still bothers me, doctors say that everything's going well, in the right direction but I also have to learn to accept this condition and live with the pain.' onfitta-di-vina-del-mar-dichiara-devo-imparare-ad-accettare-questa-con dizione-e-convivere-con-il-dolore/

tennisnba , 2/14/13 9:26 AM

Nadal : "Djokovic is lucky, give me two years without injury and..."

Q: Did you watch the Australian Open?

Nadal: No, I didn?t have access to Eurosport.

Q: Excuse me?

Rafa: Our satellite tv channels have changed in January so that?s why. Well, I did see images of it. What can I say about it? First of all, Djokovic has proven once again that he?s a great competitor he is. Secondly, that he?s a superb tennis player. And thirdly, that he is a player who doesn?t get injured. That?s lucky. He can do what he wants and it all works well for him. Give me two years without an injury and?." 8 ml

tennisnba , 2/14/13 9:30 AM

Toni Nadal : "it's ATP's fault if Rafael never won WTF" never-won-wtf-350811.html

Toni Nadal: I hope now Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic will get injured. er-Federer-and-Novak-Djokovic-will-get-injured-478826.htm

Arrogant, smug, selfish, ego, jerk. go to hell.

tennisnba , 2/14/13 9:38 AM

tennisnba, that was meant to be JOKE...Toni was joking that the way for Rafa to get back to the top would be if these two would get injured . The word "hope" was under quotation marks and was not meant to sound as he really wanted it to happen...c'mon I am sure you know better than that...are you really that ignorant?!
you simply attack Nadal's family for nothing...get a life and leave them in piece, would you?...I would recommend that you yourself start indulging in something other than Rafa's about watching movies and getting into celebrities little hidden life? Given your investigator?s talent you certainly will come up with something interesting to focus on...and please from now on do share your ?findings? with some other audience...we can live without your stupid posts?

natashao , 2/14/13 12:40 PM

nats, are you seriously trying to reason with this nut? He runs this facebook "group" (that is, if one is a group)...


Conspirator , 2/14/13 1:53 PM

yeah, you are right...I am only wasting my precious time with the ignorant and rather pathetic Rafa hater...I just don' get it: how can anyone hate Rafa? He is the nicest person on tour...but again, tennisnba can spread hatred as much as he wants: it is pitiable and means nothing compared to the great love we have for Rafa. We will always beat him with arguments and truth so let him be...
Vamos Rafa!

natashao , 2/14/13 2:59 PM


Conspirator is right. It's a waste of time to even try to communicate or reason with a fanatic. This person's life seems to revolve around hating Rafa. But Rafa doesn't know this person and what is said cannot affect him in any way. It's a complete and total waste of life.

All tennisnba does is take up a lot of space by skipping lines in posts so that they take up as much room as possible. But the content of the posts is pure garbage.

Nativenewyorker , 2/14/13 7:45 PM

Conspirator, 2/12/13 5:02 AM

By the way, if you scroll up about 10 comments on that SAME thread of CherylMurray threatening me, you'll find NNY promising me she'll stop reading provocative posts as long as I STAY here and try to talk tennis. She even thanked me for calling her one of the most intelligent posters on here at one time. However, I (unlike you) have other things to do in my life so I'm not gonna spend hours digging through old threads to find it. Litterbugs like you fade away, you're at your maximum right now. Like some elementary school kid with an "I know you are but what am I" kind of attitude that feeds of negative attention from people like me. Here it is, here's your attention from me calling out how unpopular you are at your real life high school. Have fun escaping here though, until you're forgotten and have to move on again somewhere else. Notice how most everyone else has apparently gotten bored with your hashtag memes and stopped using it themselves.

ts38 , 2/16/13 1:06 AM

Wow. That was scoretracker worthy. Impressive.


Conspirator , 2/16/13 2:05 AM


Yes, indeed! You know birds of a feather and all that. I love how my name was brought into the response! Yes, I will remember that little conversation. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of thinking that I was talking to an honest, sincere person who really had something to say. Boy, was I wrong!

However, I did say make that agreement about not reading provocative posts with the caveat that ts38 tried to talk tennis. That has not happened! It's just been instigation and nasty cheap shots all the way!

So our agreement is null and void, because ts38 did not keep his part of the bargain!

Oh and I still love Conspirator's hashtags! Why make assumptions because others aren't here posting them, too? Since Nole and Murray aren't playing now, their fans haven't been posting much. Now that Fed is out of Rotterdam, so much for the his fans. It's one of those in-between times. There are a number of Rafa fans who haven't been posting either.

As the schedule heats up and the top players all get back in the action, I think the regulars will be back.

Nativenewyorker , 2/16/13 3:45 AM

Nadal calls out ATP on hard courts

With a long history as a regular patient in medical treatment, the Spaniard continued his verbal offensive while hoping to kick-start his tennis return by winning a clay title this week in Sao Paulo, Brazil. "This (scheduling) is not a subject for the players, it's a matter for doctors. The ATP has to start thinking about ways to lengthen the players' careers.

"I can't imagine football players playing on cement, I can't imagine any other sport involving aggressive movements such as tennis being played on such aggressive surfaces such as ours. We are the only sport in the world making this mistake, and it won't change.

"The ATP worries too little about the players, it should care more for them."

While he was at it, Nadal also let loose with his thoughts on enforcement of the 25-second rule of time spent between points. The notorious slow-mover missed the Australian Open, which went off basically without a hitch as the Grand Slam's even tougher 20-second rule was in the main successfully enforced without too much player pushback.

But Nadal seems determined to force the issue: "People like to see great rallies, long matches, and for that to happen, the 25 seconds are not enough, If the ATP wants a sport which is faster but doesn't take into consideration a lot of strategy or great rallies, then it's right doing this. I think the players in the locker rooms are not very happy with that rule."

tennisnba , 2/16/13 5:47 AM

Del Potro disputes Nadal disdain for hardcourts

"for me, playing on hard courts is fine," said the winner of six of his 13 trophies on cement outdoor surfaces.

Nadal is hoping for a comeback to tennis after more than seven months away, and is playing this week on indoor clay in Sao Paulo, Brazil. Del Potro, competing in Rotterdam in an event headlined by Roger Federer, said that as No. 7 he's still not in the same league as the "big four."

But he added: "I know that I can improve. The top four are there for a reason, they are playing better than me, I know that I can beat them, but I need to improve my level. That's what I'm working on, like trying to come to the net more.

"Right now, I'm happy with my ranking, I'm not frustrated."

tennisnba , 2/16/13 5:53 AM

Hey look connie's sidestepping again. I know you are but what am I? LOL.

And it is true that at one point NNY was a very good poster on here. I learned a lot from her....years ago. I don't know what happened, all she does is fight anymore. Anybody who's not absolutely kissing Nadal's proverbial butt is fair game for her to whine about. She seems to have the time, how many of her posts are about tennis discussion anymore as opposed to these dumb flame wars her and conspirator love?

Haven't you noticed there hasn't been a consistent new member here since twinge and conspirator? It's because people don't like you.

ts38 , 2/17/13 11:49 PM


Your opinion about me means precisely nothing, because it has nothing to do with who I am. We don't need you to do scoretracker's work and continue with the instigating, harassing and cheap personal attacks.

i am the same person posting the same way as always. You are the one with the problem. You have an axe to grind. You are here to disrupt, trash posters here and spew out lies.

We have great people on this site. If new members means people like you, then we don't need that here. There is a great group of knowledgeable, decent, well meaning people who come here to talk about tennis. You have nothing to contribute to the discussion. You don't want to talk about tennis.

People come here and attack Rafa all the time. Or have you missed the trash talk from rabid Fed fans and Rafa haters? If someone attacks Rafa, then his fans will defend him. Simple as that.

Please don't project your intentions onto myself and Conspirator. If you don't think I post about tennis, then your reading comprehension is quite deficient. I don't take crap from trolls or haters like you or anyone else. If you can't handle that, then that's your problem.

You have not posted anything tennis related here. Your logic is seriously flawed. Maybe people here just don't like you!

Nativenewyorker , 2/18/13 12:49 AM

ts38 you really don't have anything to say about tennis anymore, do you.

How about that Fed getting Benneteaud. Wow. So much for the indoor guarantee.

Maybe you and chr10-18 can get together and plan Fed a better schedule.


Conspirator , 2/18/13 2:54 AM

"We don't need you to do scoretracker's work and continue with the instigating, harassing and cheap personal attacks. " native*harasser*12:49am

I see that my admirer strikes again, coz she's fighing her hormonal swings and if I'm not around, she'll pick on anyone who dares to cross her path.

She's stated many times, and in one of her posts above that *I won't stay away*. LOL. As I've said many times previously, her mission on this site (which she refers to as her job, e.g., "my job is never done") is to ensure that it is free of all Fed fans, but it's also the fans of other players which she does not like being here, except she does a good job of pretending to them , that it's not so and they are welcome. Everyone who crosses her is treated to many doses of her venemous tongue lashings, e.g., what a waste of life", "loser', etc., , but that's due to her realization that hers is a waste of life, and she's got nothing going for her. Another reason why she lashes out at others here. She's cuning, in that she knows that her nadal cohorts will jump to her defense because they need her to make up the monopoly andpeak for them. Most of them don't want to be the bad guys, so the hide under her skirt and let her do the fighting, whic she loves, so i don't blame them. all she does here is fight, and contributes very little to the tennis. She comes on here looking for a fight, and it's strange that her so-called friends cannot see through her facade.

Regardless of which thread I post on, she'll criticize me, in the hope that I'll respond, and then she'll get to do her fighting coz of what's raging inside her; it's a catharsis for her to come here and get into a good ol knockdown, dragout war -- the woman loves a good fight fight. When I ignore her, it drives her crazy, and she'll continue in that vein of harassment until I answer her. The WOMAN IS NUTSO.

I agree with her that she's the same poster, except that she's expert at casting blame elsewhere, and others are mislead. Eventually though, she's exposed by her own doing. I've been blamed many times for no reason at all, and I have stayed away on purpose just to let others see her true personality. and, it hasworked, extremely well, if I might say so. When I'm not here, and she has this overwhelming need to unleash her madness onto others, she'll pick on anyone whom she feels is somewhat vulnerable,and harass them. It's only then she's seen for her wicked actions, and some realize that it'sshe who has a severe problem.

This woman is the self-appointed spokesperson for the Nadal clan and the administrators of this site, e.g.,"Your logic is seriously flawed. Maybe people here just don't like you!"

I'd say she's only vocalizing her own fears. and, on cue ..... heeeere's connie ...... another one who's got nothing to do but just patrol all day and night. I wonder if she even has time to take care of her hygiene. Oh, I need to mention connie and all others....

I think adal's a good player, but when hi fans start with their cheap shots then the following is a necessary reminder.

Fed's never been eliminated in the second round by a player who's in the 100 and above at a GS. I suppose some have forgotten Rosol?

scoretracker , 2/18/13 3:54 AM

i mean't to say, i think Nadal's a good player, but too bad some of his fans are so nasty and like to take cheap shots at Fed fans, e.g., rabid fedfans. I think the one ho has rabies is the one who's continuously referring to other in that manner.she's ruined this site where only one set of fans reign all of the time. what a shame!, really a bad thing.


scoretracker , 2/18/13 3:59 AM

As Twinge said so well, if anyone mentions scoretracker, then the looney tune of looney tunes will reappear! And on cue - here's scoretracker Back with more pre-fabricated, stock poison and toxicity. Any excuse to go off on her favorite topic - ME!

Reading the insane gibberish about who I am, what I think, how I feel, everything about me, just reinforces the sicko's insane obsession with me over everyone else. It's been a personal hatefest, an unending crusade by someone who has managed to get banned from this site and another site another more than one screen name.

Conspirator brought up the fact that scoretracker was banned after complaints from fans of different players. It was well deserved. But like the plague and pestilence, this creature will never go away.

The detailed explanation of my character and what is in my mind, should reveal a twisted, dark, deranged mind. Referring to my hormonal swings is just another sexist, degrading cheap shot from someone who hates older women. How would anyone know about my personal hormonal swings?

This person has paraded a personal grudge, a vendetta against me for quite some time. Unfortunately, this person's efforts haven't been able influence people here who know me well. But the motto is - try, try again. I have seen this person in action under another screen name on another site, doing the exact same thing to other people who were targeted for whatever delusional offenses or wrongs. It never ends.

There have been one or two who did drink the scoretracker kool-aid, but thank goodness most people know a certifiable maniac when they read one. So carry on, pathetic lost soul, because it won't do you any good!

I am really tired of scoretracker's penchant for projecting her own personality traits onto myself. I realize that it hurts the ego when no one likes you and wants you to go away, but if you are just here to spread lies and hate, then people aren't going to respond.

All I had to do was mention the name and that was like hitting the reset button! So the stinkfest starts again! Talk about personal hygiene! Look who's talking! LOL!

Nativenewyorker , 2/18/13 4:40 AM

@Cheryl, my apologies for the long post. In the future I'll do my best to keep things short.
scrottracker, 10/25/11 12:02 AM

By keeping things short, I don't think scrottracker was referring to his posts lol.

BTW, ts38 see scrottracker's post above on how to do a proper meltdown.


Conspirator , 2/18/13 5:08 AM

I think "Julienned" is the better term than benneteaud.


Conspirator , 2/18/13 5:12 AM

oh well, look who's talking about looney tunes? now you're quoting twinge? LOL. you two had a big ring-a-ding fight, and now you need his support. you are quoting his nonsensical rants/ i guess you need another lly coz it's only connie who backs you up. You are such a mess.

connie, I know better than bothering with your drivel that you take out of context, and I note it very well you don't post the thread from where you took the quote. you're anolthe rsick puppy. like follows like.

nativer dorker, is very insecure. She feels that she's the only one who has anything of substance to post. what in sinsipid moron. her jealousy gets the better of her if anyone should only agree with someone she hates. Woman you need a good man to set you straight, and it's the reason why you hate the male posters. i think connie needs one also to keep her busy and give her somethikng else to do than haras everyone with whom she has a disagreement. It's afe to say connie drinks the native dorker's kool aid.

Look you two, I don't have the time nor the inclination to be bothered with you two. I suppose the only way you two can get close to a man is by harasing them online. This is what you come here to do, seek male attention which is sadly lacking in your wothless lives.

you should be the last one to talk aboujt anyone mentioning me. if anyone even refers to one of your messed up posts you come on here with your whining, "why am i even being mentioned when i'm not even here". you are s sick that it's an

scoretracker , 2/18/13 5:40 AM


Oh shucks, look who didn't finish their latest meltdown post! What happened? Is your weekend pass out of the psychiatric hospital over? Did the men in the white coats take you away?

So sad that you couldn't finish your latest disgusting thought! Goodness knows what more waste can come out of your addled mind!

Please tell me what I look like! Tell my what I am wearing! It seems you know everything else about my life. You decided that I don't have a man, as you talk about your "girlfriend"! Guess what! Nobody believes you! You don't have anybody in your life, because if you did then you wouldn't have to waste your time spewing out made up lies and rants about the personal characteristics and lives of people on this site.

How would you know if I have a man in my life? Can you see into my house? There you go again! Talking about things you know nothing about!

Oh and please try to be original if you want to butcher my user name. Copying and pasting from others is quite the cop out, if you ask me!

"Look you two, I don't have the time nor the inclination to be bothered with you two."

scoretracker, 2/18/13 5:40 AM

If the above statement is true, then what are you still doing here? Isn't it about time for you to make your usual promise to - get off this thread?

Too funny!

Nativenewyorker , 2/18/13 6:00 AM

"Please tell me what I look like! Tell my what I am wearing! It seems you know everything else about my life.'

UGLY, and wears jealousy all over your UGLY mask of a face. Your comments are a testament to your ugliness. You crave attention.

Now you and connie can have something to foam up and froth over for the next week or so, until you both find someone else to get your claws and fangs into. UGLY.

scoretracker , 2/18/13 6:55 AM

score tracker your sexism isn't acceptable.

willmw101 , 2/18/13 11:11 AM

yeah whatever nny. you're the one who admitted to crying after reading one of scoretracker's posts.
and i'm sure i could respond to whatever else connie said, I just haven't bothered to read it.

ts38 , 2/18/13 12:43 PM

yes, we all know you're "special" ts38.

To scrottracker, yes I DID post a link to your empty apology to Cheryl. Here it is again...

Love your line " I don't have the time nor the inclination to be bothered with you two." yet you have the longest posts on here. I suppose you dictate them. haha

And please, as willmw101 points out, stop with the ageism, racism and sexism. It has no place here.

Let's stick to the tennis, no? No one wants to read all this bickering.



Conspirator , 2/18/13 1:44 PM

"Let's stick to the tennis, no? No one wants to read all this bickering."

Newsflash, you are the people, NNY , willmw, connie and the rich guy NOT who perpetuate the bickering.

What need do you connie have for mentioning me in your comments that don't concern me, except to start a war? Well, you got one. If I responded to your comments the numerous times you bring me into them, we'd be arguing all day.

Both you and nny need to find a topic to talk about, but not about another poster(s), including me. I don't know you people, and don't want to know any of you.

When nny stops referring to me as 'she', I'll stop being sexist. until then, I'll continue. She needs someone to stand up to her, but in the past people just leave the site after of getting into anything with her, so she thinks she's won and has continued, without any warnings. .

From day one I posted here, and I remembered what I said, 2011, when Djoker was beating nadal. nny and nadline said they think he would trade his many MS wins for one of Nadal's FO, and I responded BS. From then on nny got her hooks into and has never stopped. I will NOT let her bully me, as she feels she can do that to others, and it's the reason she has lobbied to get me off this site. Both connie and nny attack tenisnab who does not respond, and she wonders why tennisnba does not get banned. If that happens whe'll talk about it forever. The woman is crazy.

She keeps foaming up about being banned. Well, she should have been banned, but I suppose she's favored. Such stuff should not be written on the site for all to see. It should be done by email. It's a poor way of doing things, banning and warning. so now, nny feels she has something over me and those who got warned, and talks about it non-stop.. To be fair, she should have been banned because she started the war, but insted it was others and now she keeps regurgitating it over and over with Connie's help.She now states I was banned on different sites, considering I only post on, that's news to me. i see her posts on and her fights also. she's the same everywhere she goes.

so connie, if you want tennistalk, from me, then keep me out of your nonsensical drivel and stop digging up stuff that's been over 2 years now. I come here to read the articles and talk tennis, but when I see the slurs written against me, I sometimes post, move on or answer back. like I did this time.

Both conie an d nny are the instigators and should be disciplined. fighting with at least 5 posters.

scoretracker , 2/18/13 6:01 PM

scoretracker, if you weren't racist and sexist no one would have have a problem with you. You are SO RUDE FOR NO REASON. CALM DOWN DEAR. ANd stop throwing arm chair psychology around, its laughable.

willmw101 , 2/18/13 6:59 PM

16 months ago...

@Cheryl, my apologies for the long post. In the future I'll do my best to keep things short.
scrottracker, 10/25/11 12:02 AM


Look you two, I don't have the time nor the inclination to be bothered with you two.

scoretracker, 2/18/13 5:40 AM

Looks like you found the time after all. haha

Please let's just stick to the tennis.

#TheMoreThingsChangeTheMoreTheyStayTheSa me

Conspirator , 2/18/13 6:59 PM

@6:59PM, I see that not a word of what I said made any difference to you. You're not talking tennis, you're throwing flames , and yhou know ikt. however, your pretentious comments may fool some, but not me.

You are the one who wants NO bickering, I responded in civil fashion, and what did you do, you have made an about turn and started your nonsense all over again.

Are you crazy? or are you devoid of whatever it takes to be civilized or understandSomething's not right with you.

willmw, you're rude also, so let's not go there. and, I'm ude to those who are rude to me. do you see me picking fights with the others? only those who refer to me in a derogatory fashion do I answer. i leave people alone, but you bunch, don't. nny picks on anyone when she goes bonkers. If someone is polite, I'll do likewise. You can't expect to accuse someone of doing something they didn't do and then expect niceities in return. it doesn't work that way.

connie continue with your drivel and digging up of the same comments over and over, and there will be lots of tennistalk NOT. You are killing this site, wikth your stupid comments, and NNY with her bickering. i've stayed away, and still the bicker continues. it's clear that it's you guys who love to fight, isn't it?

The apology for the long post was written after cheryl asked for ALL to stop writing such long comments, and it was due to not one person but several others doing that with nny complaining from thread to thread as she does with tennisnba, and you also.

There were some busybodies, (friends = bunch) the same who sent those emails from different sites they post on, which necessitated the selective warnings, excluding the drama queen.

Now both of you have a choice, connie and nny,willmw, you can continue to regurgitate and bring up the past (taken out of context) or try to be civilized. I'll swing whichever way yolu want it coz I doln't need to cry and complain to others for sympathy. I can handle you two, three, four, five....when and if I feel like it. I hope you get my drift.

scoretracker , 2/18/13 7:16 PM

I havent read a single one of your long posts scoretracker and Im not starting with that one. Huge waste of time, every one of them and the first line usually makes so little sense that I cant make it any further. CALM DOWN DEAR.

willmw101 , 2/18/13 7:37 PM

It is true that Twinge and I had a disagreement. That's what people do on forums. They can have different opinions and it can even get heated. I guess to someone who has zero tolerance for their own opinion being questioned, that would be unacceptable. But for the rest of us, it's completely natural and normal.

The difference with Twinge and myself is that we did not keep it up! Do you see us continuing to go at each other obsessively and compulsively, like a mad dog biting someone and not letting go? No you don't! Because reasonable, sane people can argue and then move on! Move on! What a concept! Something that is foreign to our resident troublemaking instigator.

The incessant need to continue the same old insults, lies, false accusations is a symptom of this deluded person's own private war. It's not real. That's why it won't end. Because it's coming out of an ugly, twisted soul with a desperately sick mind. It would be sad if it wasn't so disgusting and infuriating to have to read this endless, mindless ranting and raving.

The cowardice of throwing around character assassination at people that you do not know and have never met, makes it even worse. I have made it clear that I will not be driven from this site by someone with a personal grudge. I have had to read so many false and outrageous lies and descriptions of myself. I am not going anywhere!

At least this person's real agenda has been revealed. I should be banned or disciplined. So look who wants to run the site now! Not only crazy, but absolutely beyond hypocritical.

Nativenewyorker , 2/18/13 7:49 PM

There is no forum rule against being long-winded...but scoretracker. Dude. It took me all morning to read that.

cherylmurray, 10/24/11 2:54 PM

No, scoretracker, looks like she is pretty much just singling you out LOL.

Oh, and please if you'd be so kind to reference a post on this thread where you "responded in civil fashion".


Conspirator , 2/18/13 8:20 PM

oh, and here is the reference scrottie...

Now PLEASE can we return to tennis?


Conspirator , 2/18/13 8:23 PM

"Now both of you have a choice, connie and nny,willmw, you can continue to regurgitate and bring up the past (taken out of context) or try to be civilized. I'll swing whichever way yolu want it coz I doln't need to cry and complain to others for sympathy. I can handle you two, three, four, five....when and if I feel like it. I hope you get my drift."

scoretracker, 2/18/13 7:16 PM

I wouldn't be so optimistic about getting back to tennis with this kind of comment. There is an implied threat in this last paragraph. In other words, either behave the way this person wants us to behave or we will suffer the consequences.

Oh, we do have a choice. But it's not the one that this person has dictated. This is an attempt to manipulate and control. Nothing new. Standard procedure. I also sense that this person does not want their past to be brought up because it is unfortunate and revealing. The truth hurts!

Nativenewyorker , 2/18/13 8:47 PM

LOL, nny and connie, war and pestilence, the two scourges of TT. Get a life trolls.

scoretracker , 2/19/13 4:08 AM

who would win a match right now between Zeballos and Bellucci?

RickyDimon , 2/19/13 4:16 AM

What surface?

ts38 , 2/19/13 6:15 AM

Yet another response "in civil fashion" I'm assuming.


Conspirator , 2/19/13 12:18 PM

ts38 is obviously a Rafa hater. Probably a Fed fan. A Death Eater? In their delusional world who knows what counts as civility?

holdserve , 2/19/13 1:42 PM


they would never play each other on anything else

RickyDimon , 2/19/13 4:36 PM

I'd bet on Zeballos. Bellucci is probably still reeling from getting booed in his home country plus Zeballos' confidence has to be sky high right now.

ts38 , 2/19/13 11:49 PM


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