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  • Approach Shots: Djokovic to surpass Federer after Paris

    2012-10-29 03:34:41

    “Approach Shots” is Ricky’s weekly look at what’s ahead on the ATP Tour.


    Nothing anyone can do at this week’s BNP Paribas Masters will have an effect on the very top of the next ATP rankings. Even if Roger Federer was playing, he still wouldn’t be able to hold off Novak Djokovic at No. 1. As such, Federer’s withdrawal hardly comes as a surprise; not with Basel having just concluded and the World Tour Finals on the immediate horizon.

    Federer and Rafael Nadal—the two titans of tennis for much of the last decade—may be out of Paris, but the draw is still a decent one. Djokovic and Andy Murray headline it on opposite sides, Tomas Berdych and David Ferrer now have their own sections, and Juan Martin Del Potro looks to keep up his winning streak after beating Federer on Sunday.


    BNP Paribas Masters

    : Paris, France
    Surface: Indoor hard
    : 1000
    Prize money
    : 2,427,975 Euros


    Top seed:Novak Djokovic (No. 2 behind Federer)
    2011 champion:Roger Federer (not playing)


    Draw analysis:Thank goodness Murray landed in Federer’s half of the bracket, otherwise this draw would have been completely lopsided, with Djokovic and Murray on one side and nobody in the top four on the other.

    But Murray won’t be the immediate beneficiary of Federer’s withdrawal. That will be someone in the top quarter, where Tomas Berdych, Richard Gasquet, and Kei Nishikori lead the way. This section is wide open without the world No. 1, and to an even greater extent if Berdych should stumble early. The winner of a first-round showdown between Gilles Simon and Marcos Baghdatis could capitalize on a huge opportunity.

    Murray not only finds himself in a weakened half of the draw, but also in a soft quarter. No. 8 seed Janko Tipsarevic is dealing with a shoulder problem and No. 9 Juan Monaco is slumping. That being said, Murray—who will likely open against Paul-Henri Mathieu—could face an in-form Marin Cilic in the third round. Don’t be surprised if Alexandr Dolgopolov or Jurgen Melzer emerges from the Tipsarevic-Monaco eighth of the bracket.

    It’s rare that two quarters of a Masters tournament are without any of the world’s Top 4 players. But that is the case in Paris, where one is Berdych’s and the other is that of Ferrer and Jo-Wilfried Tsonga. The Frenchman finished runner-up to Federer last year and will have a good chance of at least making it back to the semis, if not further. Tsonga is the only seed in his section who is especially adept on indoor hard courts and the unseeded contingent around him is not exactly strong. Ferrer is coming off a title in Valencia and could make life hard on Tsonga, but the Spaniard has a tougher path to the quarterfinals.

    Djokovic will become No. 1 in the world no matter what, but he will want to take it in style as opposed to backing into it due to Federer’s withdrawal. The second-ranked Serb is on a collision course with Del Potro for the quarters and that could be the match of the tournament with the Argentine on top of his game. However, Del Potro has to be fatigued after Basel and nobody else in the fourth section appears to be playing anywhere near well enough to challenge Djokovic.

    Second-round upset alerts:All 15 seeds have a bye, but what can they expect in the second round? Perhaps some not-so-good things. At the end of a long season and with some relatively strong unseeded contenders in the draw, there could be some surprises early and often in Paris.

    Florian Mayer over (7) Juan Martin Del Potro – Del Potro will only lose this one if he is tired from Basel and—having already wrapped up a WTF spot—focused on London. As for Mayer, he isn’t playing great at the moment but is prone to hot streaks out of nowhere.

    Alexandr Dolgopolov over (8) Janko Tipsarevic – Dolgopolov is coming off a runner-up finish in Valencia, where he lost to Ferrer 6-4 in the third. Tipsarevic is limping into London with plenty of question marks. Expect the unexpected in this eighth of the bracket.

    Jurgen Melzer over (9) Juan Monaco – Monaco was on fire earlier this season, but he is stumbling to the finish line and no longer has a realistic shot at qualifying for London. Melzer, a semifinalist in Valencia, has the edge on an indoor hard court and in terms of current form.

    Radek Stepanek over (10) John Isner – Isner, like Monaco, started hot only to bumble his way into the offseason. The 6’9’’ American is 1-3 lifetime against Stepanek and just lost to him in the third round of the Shanghai Masters.

    (WC) Benoit Paire over (15) Kei Nishikori – Paire is wrapping up the best season of his career and coming off a quarterfinal showing in Basel. Nishikori has played outstanding tennis of late, but he had to withdraw from Basel with an ankle injury. He probably won’t be 100 percent.


    Hot: Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, David Ferrer, Tomas Berdych, Juan Martin Del Potro, Kei Nishikori, Thomaz Bellucci, Martin Klizan, Andreas Seppi, Paul-Henri Mathieu, Sam Querrey


    Cold:Janko Tipsarevic, Juan Monaco, John Isner, Gilles Simon, Viktor Troicki, Albert Ramos, Michael Llodra, Fernando Verdasco


    Quarterfinal predictions: Tomas Berdych over Gilles Simon, Andy Murray over Jurgen Melzer, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga over David Ferrer, and Novak Djokovic over Juan Martin Del Potro

    Semifinals: Murray over Berdych and Tsonga over Djokovic


    Final: Murray over Tsonga


    Comments and your own predictions are appreciated!


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RickyDimon , 10/29/12 3:50 AM

Novak to get his 14th shield

pennster , 10/29/12 3:52 AM

Massive congrats to Nole here too. Another gr8 year :)

deuce , 10/29/12 6:39 AM

I like Murray's and also Berdych's chances here. Too bad they've to meet in the SF. I've either of them to win the Masters here.

luckystar , 10/29/12 10:28 AM

have picked del potro to beat murray in paris my last 8 are bagy berdych; murray dolgopolov;tsonga youzhny and del potro djoker- semis are berdych murray; del potro youzhny and del potro to beat murray in final (murray never won it like nadal and to remain)- djoker and fed won it once- del potro to win outside the top 4 and 3 tournaments in a row when he debut he won 4- that way barclays speculation remains whether he can do it again? although I don't think he will do it- murray will win either this or more likely barclays at home (first time winner there) to keep the one masters since 2008 alive.........

MAGICJOHNSON76 , 10/29/12 12:09 PM

Don't know how Andy will do here. WTF is bang afterwards, very bad timing and I guess it depends which one he wants to prioritise.
Last year Andy was injured :( Do not want that to happen again.

deuce , 10/29/12 12:58 PM

anyone knows how the courts play this year?

croc , 10/29/12 1:00 PM

congrats nole, well deserved. 2nd year in a row as the best player of the world! keep it going good boy.

rfzr , 10/29/12 3:54 PM

croc, from the twittersphere...

Rob Koenig ?@RobKoenigTennis
@TennisConnected SLOW unfortunately....They have put down the same surface they gonna have in London ATP finals. #easytransition


Conspirator , 10/29/12 7:39 PM

Youzhny is already out.

danica , 10/29/12 9:33 PM

i'm just assuming Magic Johnson was not being serious with those predictions

RickyDimon , 10/29/12 10:25 PM en-duda-la-presencia-novak-djokovic-en-el-masters-1-000-de-paris-bercy /2012-10-29/171130.html
djokovic likely to pull out imo

isfand , 10/29/12 10:30 PM castigado-bajas-federer-nadal-205620671--ten.html

isfand , 10/29/12 10:34 PM

Many congratulations to nole and fans, fully deserved.

That said, I'm going for muzz this week - surely he can't go a whole year without a Masters title?

alex , 10/30/12 12:43 AM

Nole is already back in Paris

he is not withdrawing

RickyDimon , 10/30/12 12:48 AM

Novak tweeted that he is sick, so expect a tank job. Alex, Murray will get the title as no one will be there.

pennster , 10/30/12 1:37 AM

Paris could end up like Toronto with only one top 4 player playing. I'd also expect some of the other top 8 who have qualified for WTF to suddenly develop some problems, and pull out, but that would be stupid since very few in the bottom half of the 8 have a shot at winning the WTF.

scoretracker , 10/30/12 2:32 AM

.... or like Basel.


Conspirator , 10/30/12 3:03 AM

Basel is not a MS tournament, where participation of all top players is mandatory.

scoretracker , 10/30/12 3:14 AM

@pennster, 10/30/12 1:37 His father is sick, he is in hospital...not Novak. Novak went back to Serbia to see his father and came back.
That said I'm going with another Nole- Muzz final with slight edge to Nole to take the title

sisuphos , 10/30/12 12:45 PM

I think Novak will win the title at Paris. He shouldn't have a problem getting to the final coz his draw is very soft. I hope it's not another 4+ hour slugfest should Murray be one of the finalists. Somehow I see Berd as wanting to avenge his USO loss to Murray, and that match could be tough one.

scoretracker , 10/30/12 8:08 PM

Let's see Querry->Raonic->Delpo or Isner -> Tsonga -> Murray or Berdych.

Wow. That's a soft draw??? If certain other players got that draw it would be considered by "some" to be more like a brutally difficult draw.


Conspirator , 10/30/12 8:44 PM

ferrer over nishikori

croc , 10/30/12 9:23 PM

If he had to play those guys it would have been a tough draw. Not because they are on his side means that he'll meet all of them. Maybe only one, considering they have to play other opponents, journeymen, before they finally meet him.

He' can't face Murray, or Berdych until the final. It's one not both.several of those guys are tired coz they've been playing for several weeks back to back.

scoretracker , 10/30/12 10:20 PM

I know he can't face them all. I pointed that out in each round by saying 'or'.

Of course players can be eliminated before they meet. That's how the seedlings work in any draw. Still don't see how this makes for a "very soft" draw.

What round or rounds do you think will be very soft for him?


Conspirator , 10/30/12 11:01 PM

ooops, just ignore my comments. I didn't realize I was answering you, I misread the name. I thought croc wrote it. Don't wanna get into trading comments with you, so sorry.

scoretracker , 10/30/12 11:13 PM


Conspirator , 10/30/12 11:30 PM

oh dear, I didn't know you were on the hit list Conspirator but I see you have been sent to coventry along with the ageing grannies :-D

ed251137 , 10/30/12 11:38 PM

You should be so lucky, Ed! ;)

If he made that promise to everyone (and kept it), maybe we could stick to tennis and not criticize fans of other players!


Conspirator , 10/30/12 11:43 PM

^^^ correction: not have to listen to him criticize fans of other players


Conspirator , 10/30/12 11:45 PM

Ed stop stalking me.

When you lpack stop ridiculing Fed and his fans *rabid fed fans* per NNY, then I'll not mention your players nor their fans. until then, it's my prerogative to write as I see fit, just the same as you lot claim, 'you don't get to tell us what to do, and we will write whatever we want'. GO IT.

ed, you're so transparent, you've now suddenly taken an interest in this thread? Where're the tennis comments. NONE. jIt's ust the usual adolescent nastiness. so what else is new.Why are you pretending about my non-interaction with conspirator? Wasn't you one who applauded him for writing his pseudo-non-automatic warnings? LOL. Grow up.

Until you behave like a matured adult should behave, you nor your pack, should not become offended when I refer to your immaturity and/or age. GOT IT.

If I were to talk about Nadal , Murray and djokovic in the same manner, nadline, jean, zare and you bunch talk about Fed, you'd all go bonkers. i say very little, and yet i'm ganged up and lied about for absolutely no reason, other than for being a Fed fan who posts here regulary. Prior to this week, chr was taking the brunt of your tongue lashings. I suppose intelligence has got nothing to do with age, what a shame.

scoretracker , 10/31/12 12:49 AM

WARNING: the following post:

scoretracker, 10/31/12 12:49 AM

is trolling for a reply. Please do not respond. Thank you for your cooperation. This is an automated post. Replies will not be responded to.


Conspirator , 10/31/12 1:06 AM

for ed, remember this, and I can see I was right.

I'm off this thread so talk to yourselves, but I know you'll follow me around. It's hilarious.
scoretracker , 10/30/12 11:04 AM

Still posting here at 7.30 PM


You need to learn to tell time.

I see the hashtag expert is on another site getting his butt kicked. bwahahaha. I love it.

ed251137, 10/30/12 10:07 PM

scoretracker , 10/31/12 1:26 AM

only one of my upset-alert players even advanced to the second round. LOL.

RickyDimon , 10/31/12 1:51 AM

If you're referring to me as the hashtag expert, for the record, as I've said before, this is the only site that I post on.


Conspirator , 10/31/12 2:08 AM

scoretracker people have had enough of your racism on this forum.

willmw101 , 10/31/12 4:00 PM

"I say very little"

deuce , 10/31/12 9:25 PM

wilma, are you comprehension deficient, what racism do I talk about? Get some lessons.

I hope we don't have to pick up the giggler's body parts from the explosion she's had. LOL.

scoretracker , 10/31/12 9:48 PM

Scoretracker, please refrain from using that language, its really offensive. Now your post has been deleted anyway but wow what a foul mouth.

willmw101 , 10/31/12 10:59 PM

wilma, what are you talking about? Have you gone mad? I did not write anything with foul language nor about racism. I know for a fact I never do. You have got the posters confused, or you're making up a lie.

scoretracker , 10/31/12 11:16 PM

@cheryl, what post is wilma talking about. I've not been on this site since my last post to ed @1:26am. If indeed, there was a post with filthy language and racism with my screen name, then it must have been an imposter not me. It's not in my vocabulary to use racism or filthy language.

scoretracker , 10/31/12 11:19 PM

@wilma, you're the one who had posts deleted for using foul language, on Marian Vaidja. Perhaps you wrote that post since you're the only one who seems to know about it. This is one crazy world. sheesh.

scoretracker , 10/31/12 11:22 PM

Pretending like it never happened.


Conspirator , 10/31/12 11:43 PM

Look conspirator, I wouldn't be surprised if you wrote whatever it is that was written considering you have two or more screen names on here, that change to suit the situations that arise, e.g., heavy lifting with a closed eye.

I know that I'm not welcome here, as are all Fed fans, but this has got to be the lowest for anyone to resort to doing to get rid of me. geez it's really sick what's happening here.I've never used foul language here or any other site, coz it's not in my vocabulary.

Anyway, I'm sure Cheryl can check the ISP provider against mine to verify who wrote whatever it is you people are talking about, coz I don't have a clue.

scoretracker , 10/31/12 11:53 PM

Conspirator: I have just been reading up on a subject about which I know very little and came across this: Does it ring any bells?


ed251137 , 11/1/12 12:55 AM

Ed - yes.


Conspirator , 11/1/12 1:17 AM


Where did you get that link? Wow!

Who knew? FPD!

This was so spot on! At least there is a host of characteristics and someone has bothered to put together the components of this behavior!

Thanks for posting this! :)

Nativenewyorker , 11/1/12 3:09 AM

WOW, how very appropos that summary applies to the above three. I couldn't have said it better. I'm impressed.

scoretracker , 11/1/12 4:41 AM

i don't wanna bother reading all of that link

but whatever it is, it looks hilarious

RickyDimon , 11/1/12 5:47 AM

Oh bless, just doesn't "get" metaphorical language.

deuce , 11/1/12 9:34 AM

scoretracker, just admit what you said. It was pretty damn bad...

willmw101 , 11/1/12 10:54 AM

What made me crack up was: 'I couldn't have said it better...........I'm impressed.'


ed251137 , 11/1/12 10:56 AM

Glad to see I gave you all something to laugh about. God knows that you each will benefit from something so beautiful -- a cheery disposition.

What a pity your lives are so pathetic and it's what causes you all tobe so mean and stoop to harassing the yunger people on this site.

scoretracker , 11/1/12 12:19 PM

Hey willma, you're wasting your time telling me about something I'm clueless about. Why don't you get clued into your own nasty mouth and close it so that the filth won't come out. The manner in which you are talking about some pseudo comment, I've the feelikng it's either you or the guy who has 3 nicks and writes when he's inebriated.

I don't have to adm it something I've ot done. You have a choice you can either write the comment and let me see what it is, or JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING AN IDIOT OF YOURSELF.

I can understand you'd be offended y a fitlhy post if you were clean mouthed, but that's not so in your case is it? You were warned and your comments were erased, but you still continue.SHAME ON YOU FOR UJSING FILTH AND FOR STALKING ME.


scoretracker , 11/1/12 12:48 PM

Scoretracker you are so rude. Please clam down and stop the offensive language.

willmw101 , 11/1/12 1:14 PM

For the last time, where is the offensive language? You are the one that's being rude and a nag, for no reason. Youi need to look at your own dirty oposts and stop telling me nonsense.when you accuse anyone of wrongdoing, you need to show proof. if you can't do that, then you need to SHUT UJP.

I won't answer you again. Now leave me alone.

scoretracker , 11/1/12 1:29 PM

scoretracker... Just ignore willma...
Guy is simply liar, adding fire on every discussion on TT is only pleasure in his/her miserable life.
Imagine...some ppl have to live with him :)
BTW... Andy just got Rosolised in Paris, but I have feeling that we shall watch Jerzy in future... he isn't Rosol, one day hero.

zare , 11/1/12 4:44 PM

Good win for Janowicz over Murray

tennis2011 , 11/1/12 6:07 PM

Good win for Querry over Djokovic, too.

Augustina08 , 11/1/12 6:25 PM

Please GOD, let Ferru win his first Masters shield...............

rafaisthebest , 11/1/12 6:53 PM

LOL at zare. You have more emotional outbursts and problems on this forum than most neurotic people have in their entire lives! Get over it, this is a tennis forum.

willmw101 , 11/1/12 7:23 PM

Bryan Bros out too. Does anyone want to be in Paris?
Go Ferrer...or Simon, please :)

deuce , 11/1/12 7:27 PM

Janowicz over Llodra in the final


RickyDimon , 11/1/12 7:28 PM


It would appear that many do not want to be in Paris! :)

What a crazy tournament!

Nativenewyorker , 11/1/12 8:03 PM

Sorry deuce, spelled your name wrong! :)

Nativenewyorker , 11/1/12 8:04 PM


there has to be a week off between the last tournament and London. otherwise that tournament will always be a joke.

RickyDimon , 11/2/12 2:43 AM

I would like to see Llodra winning this. I think Tsonga and Berdych have very good chances of reaching the final though. If Ferrer can beat Tsonga then Llodra will have a better chance of reaching the final. This Janowicz guy, if he reaches the final, that means he would have beaten at least two, even three top ten guys enroute to the final! Let's see what Tipsy and most likely Berdych have to offer to counter this up and coming 'force to be reckoned with'.

luckystar , 11/2/12 4:25 AM

Ricky- I agree Janovicz will win this- or at least make the final - against a French guy- I think Llodra; Tsonga to lose against Ferrer; Berdych Simon (Berdych should win if Simon's condition issue but Berdych having won this tournament in 2005, Tsonga 2008 - the only two winners remaining I feel they will be out); Berdych might lose to Janovicz rather than Simon but then if Simon condition is an issue and his head to head record against Berdych is good so he could upset him as well; Querrey will lose to Llodra; Janowicz will win against Tipsarevic; I think Tsonga and Tipsarevic having made it would now lose; the other possibility is Ferrer against Janowicz but there I feel Ferrer may remain at 6th title- so I am more for a Lllodra Janowicz final

MAGICJOHNSON76 , 11/2/12 6:04 AM

i was kidding, folks

Janowicz will lose to Tipsa

RickyDimon , 11/2/12 6:39 AM

#Knew UWere...;)

deuce , 11/2/12 6:54 AM

Yes, Ricky was having some fun with us! I do think that Tsonga and Berdy should get to the final. I really would love to see Ferrer win this and hate to pick against him. But Tsonga is in Paris and this indoor hard court favors his game. If I am proven wrong and Ferrer wins, that would be just fine with me!

I think Berdy should get the win against Simon. I am thinking that this Janowicz has gone as far as possible. I really have to check him out against Tipsy.

Nativenewyorker , 11/2/12 7:03 AM

Sorry, I forgot about Llodra and Querry! While Querry is playing better these days, I think this surface is ideal for Llodra's game and it's in Paris. I think Llodra will get the win.

Nativenewyorker , 11/2/12 7:07 AM

I am quite serious- that Jercy (conqueror of Murray) will make it against either Ferrer (conquerer of Tsonga) or LLodra (conqueror of Del Potro); last Polish winner in 1982 - exact 20 years; it would make it interesting if Ferrer made it against the 6'8 giant and to keep the titles on 6 each Ferrer could actually lose...... or the French hope to keep it interesting; I see Querrey losing to LLodra......

MAGICJOHNSON76 , 11/2/12 8:48 AM

Congrats to Simon, beating Berdych in straight sets! Well done. So, another top eight guy falls by the wayside, three remains. Well, I really hope that we get a first time winner this tournament.

luckystar , 11/2/12 4:14 PM

MAGICJOHNSON76, 11/2/12 6:04 AM
RickyDimon, 11/2/12 6:39 AM

Uhhhmmm.... no.


Conspirator , 11/2/12 7:19 PM

Sorry MJ, my bad.


Conspirator , 11/2/12 7:21 PM

jerky will make final for sure (and possible win); i feel it will be against llodra but one cannot discount it against ferrer too (the 71 wins to surpass Djoker might not happen as yet and hence Ferrer could lose to keep French hopes alive); no doubt Ferrer's best chance for the masters now; but just maybe this does not involve any of the top 8 or top 10; and ferrer has his chance amongst the best next week in London; no doubt Ferrer is firm favourite- and feel it will be a Polish winner against a first time Spanish titlist (and a Spanish player has never won it) or a French finalist- but if French Finalist then Jerzy will win it (being a higher ranked player) but surprisingly with highest odds

MAGICJOHNSON76 , 11/3/12 2:01 AM

Jerzy won't make the final

and he definitely won't beat Ferrer if he does make it. He would have a chance against Llodra.

RickyDimon , 11/3/12 4:06 AM

Ferrer is too fast for Jerzy to beat him.

scoretracker , 11/3/12 4:43 AM

Poor Janowicz, read about him at the ATP website. He's so poor that he couldn't afford the money to make it to play at the AO, I feel so sorry for him. No wonder he plays every match like there's no tomorrow, as he's hoping to win as much prize money as possible. I wish him well, can't wish anything bad against a poor soul like him.

I like the other three players remaining in the draw so for me any one of the four winning this whole thing is fine for me. I just wish for good matches being played and in good spirit. I also wish for future successes for this guy Janowicz, he's such a special player to watch, I'm amazed by how well he moves for his height, and how intelligently he plays the game, how well he plays at the net, how good he is in his serving AND returning!

luckystar , 11/3/12 7:13 AM

Hear, hear lucky.

deuce , 11/3/12 7:29 AM

But, on reflection would prefer one of the "oldies" to win. If JJ stays injury free he's got years ahead of him, sadly the others haven't.

deuce , 11/3/12 8:06 AM

I agree with lucky's sentiments. I would be happy with any of these four players winning. Getting to the semifinals is a great result for Jerzy. He will earn some money and some points and hopefully he won't have to struggle quite as hard. It's unfortunate to read about what he has been going through.

I guess I think like deuce in wanting one of the "oldies" to win. It would be wonderful to see Ferrer get a Masters title here. I also like Simon and have always enjoyed watching his game. Llodra won't have chances like this again.

Hopefully, Jerzy can build on this result and put himself in a better position to compete.

Nativenewyorker , 11/3/12 8:16 AM

Has there ever before been a Master's tournament when not one of the seeded players have made it to the SFs?

Lucky: Let's hope some canny sponsors have the sense to jump in now to help Janowicz at this stage in his career. It would be tragic if lack of funds prevents him from realising his full potential.

ed251137 , 11/3/12 10:28 AM

^^^hear, hear. He was wearing Nike clothes last night, guess those were off the rack. He said he did not play Oz2012 because he could not afford to attend........

Someone sign this kid up!

rafaisthebest , 11/3/12 11:08 AM


My bad. I overlooked Ferrer seeded No.5. Sorry Daveed!
Still the question has there ever been only one seeded player in a Master's SFs? It must be a rare occurrence.

ed251137 , 11/3/12 2:05 PM

ed it's an odd tournament. Have a look at past winners.

deuce , 11/3/12 2:14 PM

Federer gets a cake-walk draw.....again:

ATP World Tour groups:

Group A:

Group B:

rafaisthebest , 11/3/12 3:31 PM

^^^^^^Group A is B..................same difference

rafaisthebest , 11/3/12 3:34 PM

@ 2:14pm Exactly! That is why moving it to February is being discussed.

@ 3:34pm A very soft cake walk

ed251137 , 11/3/12 3:43 PM

Joke of a draw. Give the masses what they want.


Conspirator , 11/3/12 4:02 PM

Jerzy won't make the final

and he definitely won't beat Ferrer if he does make it. He would have a chance against Llodra.

RickyDimon , 11/3/12 4:06 AM

Care to re-think your statement, Ricky? JJ is on the march..............

rafaisthebest , 11/3/12 4:05 PM

Hoping for a Jerzy Ferru final.

Who ya got C-muzz???


Conspirator , 11/3/12 4:15 PM

Finally Djokovic gets a tricky draw after a couple of easy ones.

Definitely group A should be really interesting to see.

Emiliano55 , 11/3/12 5:19 PM

hilarious WTF draw


RickyDimon , 11/3/12 5:36 PM

WTF, RR, it's 1 and 3, 2 and 4. Fed's 2, he got #4, Ferrer. Djokovic's #1, he got #3 Murray. don't see that as being rigged at all.

scoretracker , 11/3/12 8:59 PM

the best of the 1 and 2 (Djokovic) is with the best of the 3 and 4 (Murray) and the best of the 5 and 6 (Berdych) and the best of the 7 and 8 (Tsonga)

ya, biggest joke in the history of draws. no argument to the contrary.

RickyDimon , 11/3/12 10:16 PM

I think Ferrer and DelPo are better than Berd and Tsonga. Both guys have won more titles than the other two this year. Thus, we can say that they are more hot and in better form than the other two.

scoretracker , 11/3/12 10:37 PM

Ferrer was in the pot with Murray..... Tsonga was in the pot with Tipsa.

so yeah, Murray way better than Ferrer and Tsonga way better than Tipsa

RickyDimon , 11/3/12 10:40 PM

That's right. Had I remembered the proper draw sequence, I'd have been 3 for 3.

The chances of those three falling in Nole's half? 12%


Conspirator , 11/4/12 12:24 AM

Hey Ricky do you have the email address of ATP? I want to express my frustration at this blatant rigging and demand an independent body to do the draws in a transparent manner. Best thing would be to have a computer program which we can verify and use. There should be audit trails so we could verify whether the program had been tampered with.
If they continue to draw the chips in public then to prevent them from employing magician like tricks , the entire process should be recorded from the creation of chips, their placement in the cup, their drawing etc.
As for the draw for the unseeded, which is done in an opaque manner, admirably lending itself to 100% rigging, it should be made transparent too.

holdserve , 11/4/12 2:10 AM

no idea but just peruse the internet and you can probably find it

thats a good idea, too

RickyDimon , 11/4/12 2:37 AM

Holdserve, while you're at it, get em to find an independent body for drug testing.


Conspirator , 11/4/12 3:20 AM

While in case of rigged draws, ATP cannot flatly refuse to introduce greater transparency, in case of doping tests, they can claim budget constraints. The problem is not so much that an independent body is not doing it as that ITF is conducting very few tests claiming budget constraints. I doubt that they are concealing positive tests.
If you want to make a series of demands, then never include one they can outright reject.Because then they will focus only on that and completely ignore the ones they could have conceded.

holdserve , 11/4/12 5:35 AM

My point is that, as a short sighted business, the ATP is not interested in doing either.

Conspirator , 11/4/12 4:26 PM

True but in any negotiation , never introduce a demand which has very much less chance of being conceded than the other demands in the negotiation.
For instance in a trial, if a witness makes 19 correct statements but one weak or incorrect, the opposing counsel will focus on it, destroy the witness's credibility and the other 19 statements would be just ignored. It is a very powerful tactic.
So if we put up: don't rig draws (powerful demand not easy to be countered) and step up dope testing and improve its credibility by having it done by an independent body (weak demand as easy to counter with budget constraints), then ATP will focus on our weak demand and completely ignore the strong one.

holdserve , 11/4/12 5:25 PM

Also, one more argument. Never fight battles on two fronts. Let's win the first one, then take up doping battle.

holdserve , 11/4/12 5:27 PM

Whoosh! It's really hard to make picks here. One time the people see the form, the other time their potential. On an all, I think Fed got lucky to escape Murray (who is yet to win against Fed here). Delpo is no worse than Berdych. He is in more hot form and if you guys aren't foregetting, he defeated Fed (that too indoors just a week ago), nearly snatched a win against Fed on grass at Olympics. As everyone can see, he has stretched Fed to the limits in their past 2 encounters, so their RR match is not gonna be a walkthrough affair (remember WTF 09). As for Tipsy, he is definitely playing much better tennis than Tsonga.
So Federer has got more in-form opponents (Ferrer, Delpo, Tipsy), while Djoko has got a bagful of out-of-form potential threats.

abhirf , 11/4/12 8:14 PM

@holdserve, talk of doping should be on the other thread. This thread is about Federer, but has gone off topic as usuall.

scoretracker , 11/4/12 11:04 PM

@11:04pm, correction, should have said this thread is about approach shots, not doping. See doping discussion on the Blake thread.

scoretracker , 11/4/12 11:08 PM

Well, since the draw is so rigged, should the ATP ask Rafa to come out of his injury and play in Group A? Actually, maybe they should have put 6 players in one group (with Fed) and have group B just Nole/Murray?

aegis , 11/4/12 11:19 PM

Never mind aegis, Man proposes, God disposes. I hope Federer does not win WTF despite the heavy rigging.
I have lost all respect for Fed after the heavy rigging this year at Wimbly, Olympics and now WTF.
I believe in cosmic justice, hence my hope that Fed loses in the semis. With the rigged draw, his going to the semis is assured unless he is injured.

holdserve , 11/4/12 11:47 PM

If any Fed fan were to talk of Nadal in the manner holdserve does about Fed, there would be unlimited repercussions , (e.g, 10 or more Nadal fans attacking from all angles) and huge warfare on this site. Too bad, how few of us there is.

scoretracker , 11/4/12 11:57 PM

Fed is looking tired. Lost in the Shanghai semis, had a few close calls prior to losing to Delpo in Basel and had to outright skip Paris.

I don't see him getting past the semis next week even with his cherry-picked draw.


Conspirator , 11/5/12 1:28 AM

If Fed wins the WTF2012 I will eat my Ipad..............he's never winning anything important again.

rafaisthebest , 11/5/12 7:40 AM

^^^ not so fast. I've been hearing that same thing since Wimby'10.
This is an indoor tournament, Fed's best surface according to many of you here. If he can reproduce the level of tennis he has displayed here for the last 2 years, no one will stand a chance of stopping him from grabbing the title.
As far as winning anything important is concerned, as long as Fed can play one major tournament in his touch, he will always have the chance to grab the title.

abhirf , 11/5/12 8:20 AM

expert picks - _Finals_expert_picks

RickyDimon , 11/5/12 8:24 AM

@abhirf says: "If he can reproduce the level of tennis he has displayed here for the last 2 years, no one will stand a chance of stopping him from grabbing the title."

That was then, this is now, ol' chap. Even Fed cannot stem the ravages of father time. He can play all the major tournaments he wants, he ain't winning any anymore............

rafaisthebest , 11/5/12 8:35 AM

abhirf, you are right. That's why I said I "don't" see it rather than I can't see it.

With Fed's exemplary record on indoor h/c, on paper at least, he is the one to beat and he won't go down easy.

That said, I think he's coming in to the WTF a bit worn down and the RR will take a bit more out of him given his long year. Should make the semis of course with the draw he received but I think the younger guys will prove to be too much. His Basel performance even prior to his loss to JMDP was not up to his usual standard.


Conspirator , 11/5/12 2:54 PM

@abhirf says: "If he can reproduce the level of tennis he has displayed here for the last 2 years, no one will stand a chance of stopping him from grabbing the title."

That was then, this is now, ol' chap. Even Fed cannot stem the ravages of father time. He can play all the major tournaments he wants, he ain't winning any anymore............
rafaisthebest, 11/5/12 8:35 AM

OK now he is in the Final. You be ready eat your Ipad RITB!!

velliat53 , 11/12/12 11:38 AM

velliat53 , maybe we should ask what Fed is doing to beat the ravages of time?

holdserve , 11/12/12 4:07 PM

velliat53 , 11/12/12 11:38 AM

I usually do not stay up for Fed matches which do not involve Rafa but I am making an exception tonight..............and I know my IPad is safe!

rafaisthebest , 11/12/12 4:45 PM

This time your IPad escaped. Poor IPad, please do not threaten its survival on somebody's result RITB. Fed may surprise you in future also!!

velliat53 , 11/14/12 7:01 AM

^^^^to be honest, I switched off after the first set even though Novak had taken it, Fed was that scary at the time, I was truly scared for my IPad!

That's the last time I put my IPad in peril......................

rafaisthebest , 11/14/12 7:43 AM

Dont worry, your Ipad has long life! Waiting for RAFA to return. Only a fully fit RAFA can challenge this NOLE. Murray has still to wait to really challenge NOVAK. He is proving to be really tough of late. Taking a set and even match point is no guarantee for a win against NOVAK at the moment. There is a chance he will repeat his 2011 in 2013 also unless RAFA put a brake!

velliat53 , 11/14/12 12:20 PM

I don't know...........I think Murray matches up pretty well against Novak and in fact I think he has a better chance of getting the better of Novak on hard courts than Rafa. I would like to see Rafa beat Novak comfortably on hard courts before I can be totally relaxed about his chances on that particular surface.

I don't think Fed is done yet, not by a long shot. He knows he should have taken Novak to at least 3 sets. I am sure he is busy making the necessary adjustments in the off-season. Do not be surprised to see Fed chipping and charging more in 2013.........

rafaisthebest , 11/14/12 1:18 PM

"There is a chance he will repeat his 2011 in 2013 also unless RAFA put a brake!"

Yeah right, great post!
Like Rafa did in 2011 against him eh?
Really cleaned his clock didn't he?
I'm still to be convinced Rafa would have any answers to Novak anwhere but a clay court, or grass, maybe. We will have to see on that.
TBH Looking back i think Rafa was a facilatator for Novak's glorious purple patch by taking out the players whose game actually caused Novak trouble on a hard surface.
One of those used to be Roger, might still be, but he is simply getting too long in the tooth.
Please smarten up TT'ers, its was Andy Murray who was able to dig deepest in that 5th set in NY & prevail.
It was Mr Murray that always took Novak to the limits on hardcourts all year.
And although he faded a bit after the US Open Andy has the game to do it all again and then some.
Once he has fully absorbed his breakthrough year.
Look and learn my children,
Look and Learn.

Twinge , 11/14/12 2:04 PM

^^And also please calm down about Novak.
Yes he is, without a doubt the best player in the world, but winning the WTF doesn't make you unbeatable.
I didn't see any of you go on about it like this when Federer won it twice in a row, did I?

Twinge , 11/14/12 2:14 PM

Calm dowm, Twingey, calm down! Thou protesteth too much............

The H2H stats do not lie. Yes, Muzza prevailed at the USO2012 but that's not enough to suddenly make Muzza the favourite where those 2 are concerned. If you look at the results since then it is fair to say Novak is able to stare Muzza down.

and Rafa did take Novak to the limit at Oz2012 too........, I would say watch that match-up on hard courts going forward.

Yes Novak "cleaned Rafa's clock" in 2011. Good thing Rafa does not dwell on such "things"......................

He will be back.................

rafaisthebest , 11/14/12 2:37 PM

No I am not making Muzz a favourite betwixt the 2 & I am quite calm.
Novak can stare down anyone that much is clear but he remains beatable & at key moments too.
Did i say Andy was the favourite? No
I am saying they are pretty evenly matched on hardcourts.
Rafa had to go to knee busting extremes at the AO but to no avail and the results had long term consequences. So I'm less keen to include that & so should you.
The answer was aimed anyway at abhirf going on about Rafa putting a `Z` on Novak's shorts when there is no reason to believe that will happen, judging from recent events anyway.
And I have every faith dear old Rafa shall be back right at the top & I will be interested to see how he does this time particularly against Novak.
Although it might not be pretty to watch, or too time sensitive for that matter.
Rafa is surely missed by everyone.

Twinge , 11/14/12 2:55 PM

^^By that last comment i mean when Novak and Rafa meet in slams.
It wasn't a comment on their overall games otherwise.

Twinge , 11/14/12 2:59 PM

I predicted the top four would split the four Grand Slams this year, and got it right. I expect either the same will happen or Djokovic will win 2 (French Open included) and Federer and Murray will win one each.

RickyDimon , 11/14/12 4:06 PM

Well done Ricky have a cyber star on me!
But next year Fed is not getting another slam. Nnnneeeehh!
Rafa and Novak have had a quiet year (?! yes Novak's is relative)
and will be on it for the odd numbers.
I expect Murray to make ANOTHER breakthrough to consolidate his position too.
If it is 4 different winners again, I truly do hope its not yet another one for Fed.
It would be better for tennis if it was someone new.
Janowicz perhaps?
Joking of course.

Twinge , 11/14/12 4:17 PM

Nole for the FO because Nadals' form will not be back enough?

Last year Nadal was probably more beatable there than most because he was playing with much pain form a long time by then. Still no-one beat him at FO.

Curious as to your reasoning...

chlorostoma , 11/14/12 4:29 PM

Delpo my dark horse pick for AO or USO but Nole has the edge obviously. I put Nole, Muzz and Delpo third for these in 2013. Rafa is too much of an unknown at this point for me but he is capable as he showed in 2010 after his '09 problems.

Also, Nole has the best shot for FO unless Rafa can get back to form.

Wimby is more of a crap shoot to pick for me.

Conspirator , 11/14/12 4:41 PM

^^For me the AO is either Andy or Novak. No one else.
FO, dependent on form as stated, has still got to be Rafa. But he will be under a LOT of pressure from Novak this time as his form improves and he tries to gain momentum early season & will have less in the tank for the channel slam as he clearly did not under slightly better circumstances this year. A very difficult thing to do @ the best of times these channel slam thingies
My `Breakthrough` for Andy is at Wimbledon!
Yep breaking news, he's going to do it.
I can feel it in my bones.
Del Potro is not a slam contender for next year unless the stars truly align.
Which they can, & i've loved some of his more recent performances.
But he just isn't on the same level as Andy Novak or Rafa,
Neither was his 09 level too.
RFed will sneak in like a thief in the night if the stars come together for him as well.
That is all my children.

Twinge , 11/14/12 4:57 PM

Federer is not far down my list and will be difficult to beat (as always) at all of the slams next year. Draws probably won't hurt him either. I like what I saw from Delpo post USO which is why I put him as a dark horse. Rafa is a huge unknown in terms of when he can be back at full potential and can he avoid further injury in the process - hopefully.

So, not much change next year I think, Top 4 as usual. Delpo is the only one outside the Top 4 that I think has a realistic slam shot in 2013.


Conspirator , 11/14/12 6:50 PM

Nadaltards should worry about him playing tennis again. Not winning another slam.

And no, I certainly don't think Nadal will win a slam next year. That would be quite a turnaround.

RickyDimon , 11/14/12 7:38 PM

On your first point, don't be such a drama queen.

Agree with your second point though but he has a better chance than anyone else not named Fed, Nole, Muzz or Delpo.


Conspirator , 11/14/12 7:53 PM

Don't know about Nadaltards but Rafans (such as moi) are not worried AT ALL about Rafa, we are totally colm.....................

a) Rafa will be back
b) Rafa will win Slams in 2013 (yes, Slams, plural)

We are just not in the business of bandying predictions around which btw are just opinions which btw, everyone has.........

so please, spare us the sanctimonious clap-trap..........

Over and out..................

rafaisthebest , 11/14/12 8:17 PM

Andy for AO and Wimbledon :) Come on!

deuce , 11/15/12 8:16 AM

Anyone but Fed!

holdserve , 11/15/12 2:47 PM


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