Well Cheryl, I would be stunned if he did not manage to beat the big 2 and Del Potro in the two masters but went on to win the USO.

There are no guarantees. My caution is simply that people not forget who he is and what he's capable of, even if he can't do it every tournament like he used to.

i'll definitely be one of the three--if not all three--if Fed wins the USO

Thanks for the blog. I like it a lot.
The fans are the last to go I suppose and rightly so. I think he is exactly in the place where you put him.

Cheryl, I'd love to see Roger in Gypsy with Shakira then we can really judge his acting ability. Lol

the gypsy video wasn't acting...it was Rafa standing (lying) around looking brooding. Throw in actual lines, and he's hopeless. No offense.

I love Roger, but I'm sooooo tired of the over the top marketing. After the first week of a slam, I'm begging the media powers that be to please put Roger to bed. Im a huge Rafa fan but there are times when I'd rather see Soderling hawking swedish anything, than Roger and the watches, and the airplanes, and the chocolates, and on and on and on. In regard to the pundits, all it would take is another win and once again Roger would be right in the mix. Maybe even the favorite. Cheryl, you must not have seen Rafa's ads with Pauo (Lakers basketball).
He may not be Brad Pitt, but I'm sure Roger would not get as many laughs. They
are funny! Check out utube.

Throw in actual lines, and he's hopeless. No offense.
cherylmurray , 8/10/11 10:49 PM

Lines in Spanish or English?

either, actually. I saw an ad he did for a chocolate breakfast drink for Spanish television. My Spanish-speaking friends said it was not good.

I saw the Pau Gasol spots. I think they're the best he's done. Funny thing how this blog isn't about Rafa at all though, huh? :D

^^^^So who is Roger's Spanish counterpart who can't act as well as Roger?

'and unlike his Spanish counter-part, he actually seems to have some acting ability....'

I bet Roger can't do the Armani adverts. Lol

Oh gosh Cheryl. You said something non-complimentary about Rafa. Now nadline won't ever leave it alone. OK nadline here goes :

Rafa is the greatest actor that ever was; he's the greatest underwear model ; he's the biggest pop star ever. In fact he should sweep the next Grammy Awards and Academy Awards too. BUT....

Roger is the greatest tennis player of all time!

^^^^^Hahahahaha!

Very nice article and I totally agree that in a months time, the scenario could be changed completely. H can win more GS. Its the will which matters and not the age. federer is new 30! Read this nice article: Roger Federer-The Myth of Age 30-http://bit.ly/mUlKHO
People should read to get their doubts cleared. So many people in the past have won it and so can federer.

Very nice article and I totally agree that in a months time, the scenario could be changed completely. H can win more GS. Its the will which matters and not the age. federer is new 30! Read this nice article: Roger Federer-The Myth of Age 30-
http://bit.ly/mUlKHO

People should read to get their doubts cleared. So many people in the past have won it and so can federer.

Nadline, you can't honestly pretend to think that one line about nadal's lack of acting ability is what this article is about. Come now.

Are you a fed gal Cheryl? :D

He may not be as dominant as he used to be, but is it realistic to expect that? The level of dominance he has shown is incredible! It is still a joy to watch him play and I'm glad he's still playing and it would be a shame if he would stop. I don't expect him to win every match he plays, I never did.... but I'm rooting for him every time. Until the end of his career, whether he ends it as #1 or #100 :-)

@cherylmurray , 8/11/11 5:09 AM

Cheryl, you should know by now that I have a built in Excalibur Rapid Rebuttal Database which defends anything perceived to be unfair to Rafa. Lol

Federer is 30 now ; so it is unrealistic of anyone to expect him to win consistently against players several years his junior; but Sampras won after ages without a single title, let alone a slam. Federer is playing better than Sampras was in the respective stages of their careers, so it will only take two sublime weeks with super motivation and no Rafael Nadal on the other side of the net.

Yip, The Fed is taking a Sampras cue methinks (although its not just Nadal he has to worry about now)
After Pistol Pete was knocked out by a certain little Fed at Wimby he bowed out with his final slam win in NYC,
Old Man Fed thinks he can do @ least the same,
And if the stars align a touch, I do too!
BTW most amusing Numero & Nadline.
Here was me thinking that fedal fans were a humourless bunch overall.

Fed is a good friend of Pete, but I think he is actually looking at a career like Jimmy Connors. That would be something 39 and of course Fed still be a top10 contender...... I dont even know where the Olympics are in 2020?
Nadal already playing years and years on the Champions tour while we all are having great fun on TT where Cheryl just released her next blog on the slam #24 at wimbly last month........

Nice blog, but at least to me tt is really, really hard to imagine Roger lifting another GS trophy ever in his life.

It is hard for Fed to win even one more but concatenation of favorable events could just tip the balance in his favor in one gs. But it has to happen before 2013. Days of Jimmy Connors etc are over. I strongly suspect Roger will retire after Olympics or USO next year.

I think Fed still has one slam in him, may not be these two years, may be in 2013, at AO or USO. I expect Nole to continue his good run till at least end of next year, and Nole and Rafa will split the slams this and next year. Maybe Murray and Delpo can have a say next year or so, I don't know.

I think Fed and Rafa will retire at the same time, when Fed is 34/35 and Rafa is 29/30. They'll then go and play some exho matches together and entertain their fans all over the world, as together they are known as Fedal and can produce some unbelievable tennis together. There's good and easy money to be earned, after the sponsorship and endorsement moneys stop coming their ways once they retire.

Fedal are earning good endorsement money and that's why I think all these call for them to retire when we feel they can't win the big ones anymore are simply unnecessary. Win or lose, both keep attracting big endorsement money and no one would want to turn away such lucrative deals! So all these burnout talks about Rafa and saying that he'll retire at 26 like Borg, are simply wishful thinking by some Rafa haters, the guy is just beginning to reap the rewards of his popularity these two years after becoming no.1, and there's more endorsement deals coming his way. Likewise, Fed would not retire just because he keeps losing to Nole and Rafa
now, as he enjoys playing and earning those big bucks from all his endorsement deals.

Ha ha, who says these players lose endorsement deals once they retire? Some of them have lifetime deals. I think Agassi and McEnroe are still doing endorsements.
If Fed does not win any slam by 2012 and also does not win olympic gold, he is going to retire end-2012. But if he does win one , he might go on for another two years in the hope that he will win one more. Elite players are usually in denial about their decline.
But however much he might try to rationalize his lack of wins, if he goes nearly 3 years without slams, the public will stop seeing him as a favorite and new fans will all go to currently in-prime players. That would finally make Fed understand he is in decline.
He doesn't enjoy playing as an ordinary player. He enjoys playing with all the privileges of a no. 1.

Fed is still popular among tennis fans, just like Rafa. They both have their die hard fans. They may not attract new fans but their existing fan base is big enough to help them attract enough endorsement deals. Of course they'll lose some or most of these endorsement deals once they retire, so the two of them will play for as long as they can, unless they don't enjoy playing anymore.

When Rafa retires, if he's playing some exho matches, I may go and watch him if I can afford the money and I'll definitely be more relaxed watching him play than I'm now.

Hey luckystar, what I am trying to tell you is that both Fed and Nadal are likely to have lifetime deals from their major sponsors. So they needn't play on the ATP circuit just to get deals.
Players want to play till 35 as only then they are eligible to play on the senior circuit. But elite players may not like being beaten repeatedly and may quit earlier and that holds for Fed too.
You sound like a Fed fan saying that both Rafa and Fed will retire at the same time.

I believe lifetime deals are limited in numbers, maybe their clothing sponsors? I doubt those watches, cars would want them for lifetime deals. Maybe some of their local banks or insurance companies?

I'm a Rafa fan and it's unlikely to expect Rafa to play till 35. He said he most likely won't play till past 30. Fed on the other hand said he'll play for as long as possible and he even signed a ten year deal with Credit Suisse. So it's just my guess that they both would retire at the same time. I feel that Fedal are good enough to win some tournaments even when they become older, and as long as they're popular, they'll have enough of the attention from the ATP and sustain the interest from the sponsors. Well we've to see how things unfold in the future, all these are only my own speculations.

Lucky, if Fed falls out of top 10, he will have just as much chance of retaining his endorsements if he retires. I am not disputing that Rafa may retire at 29 or 30. I am fairly certain he will.
I am disputing that Fed will play till 35.
Both on this site as well as on other sites, Fed fans are openly rejoicing at Rafa's defeat. Sadly, except nadline, no other Rafa fan seems to think it necessary to defend Rafa. A great pity!

You see rafaelite, Rafa fans will have their chances of rejoicing in Fed's defeats as well, as this Montreal tournament shows. So if some Fed fans choose to rejoice in Rafa'a defeats, they also have to bear with others rejoicing in Fed's defeats.

Whether Fed fans rejoice in Rafa's defeats or not, we can't stop them, so don't need to feel so bad about it. We just have to concentrate on Rafa, rejoice in his success, and support him through thick and thin, though I think we have a right to criticize the way he plays at times. I'll defend Rafa if people post some untrue or nasty stuff about him. If others choose to hate him, then it reflects badly about themselves as there's no reason hating someone whom most of them don't even know personally. To me, it's easier to like someone than to hate someone.

Fed might end his tour this season if he don't regroup till USO. His arrogance won't allow him to be trashed on tour. His recent interviews suggest he changed tone...

This is not WTA where sister can show up on GS and rush trough quarters. ATP ranking is crucial and it does matter who will be in draw.

Good thing is that he stills play great, but if he doesn't close match quickly he falls apart. So now it is just question who could survive Fed first set, or first two in GS. If he reach GS final and loose, he will quit next day!

I dont see why he should quit, even if he doesnt reach the quarters he's in the top 3! It would take majorly awful results for him to fall out of the top 10 or even the top 5, and I dont think he will quit until that happens.

Players want to play till 35 as only then they are eligible to play on the senior circuit.
rafaelite, 8/12/11 5:06 AM

I seem to remember Safin and Philippoussis playing on it in their twenties.

Both on this site as well as on other sites, Fed fans are openly rejoicing at Rafa's defeat. Sadly, except nadline, no other Rafa fan seems to think it necessary to defend Rafa. A great pity!
rafaelite, 8/12/11 6:10 AM

nadline/rafaelite

Is it really necessary to continue this dual-ID charade?

I think a lot of tennis fans still enjoys Federer's game. He may not be winning a lot but people don't stop loving his game just because he's losing.

Nowadays, it seems that Fed is not pushing himself. I don't know what he's saving himself for but one might think that he probably is preserving himself for a very long career. At 30 he's still no.3 and he's able to beat both Rafa(except on clay) and Nole if he plays his best.

And against players below the top 10, he can win 99% of his matches so I don't see why he should quit now. He's still regarded by many as the best tennis player ever and even the ones who don't think so believes he's one of the best ever.

Sponsorship from companies are not decreasing as his 'RF' brand has been established by years of dominance and memorable achievements.

I watched the Fed-Tsonga match recently and there was more commotion than the Djoko-Monflis match. Altho Djoko is no.1, I don't see as much following as what Fed had when he was in his prime.

People still appreciates watching the guy play tennis.

"I watched the Fed-Tsonga match recently and there was more commotion than the Djoko-Monflis match. Altho Djoko is no.1, I don't see as much following as what Fed had when he was in his prime."

You're clearly indulging in a bit of selective memory. Some of the early knocks on Federer was that he and his domination was boring, he had no charisma or personality and he was unable to broaden tennis' appeal w/ the casual sports fan (this still hasn't changed to any significant degree in the US). It took years and a rivalry w/Nadal to somewhat counter these early preceptions, so maybe you should give Djokovic a little more time.

"People still appreciates watching the guy play tennis. " Agree.

"I won?t claim that Federer?s dominance is what it once was. It isn?t."

Clearly it's not the same, it's nonexistant.

"he and his domination was boring"

*were*

True, I agree entirely with your post, Quinn.

What do you request from 30-year-old player?

When Novak ( Murray or Nadal. etc) turns 30 years old. Do you think that they are still in top 10?

Roger is 30 years old. He has become weak everything. Power, footwork, and stability, etc

But. When players turns 30 years old. Especially, Nadal and Murray. They already retire, I think.

When saying in a such meaning. As 30-year-old player. Roger has the possibility. from them.

good luck. lol

Quinn.

Though, I'm never a fan of Roger Federer fanaticism. He has a lot of charismas, too much. And, he is eight years continuous 1st place, As a favorite player whom the tennis fan chooses.

It is an unbelievable record. Because he always 1st in 8 years. He is too popular.

Therefore Roger declined now, This is a good chance for other players.

I expect it of Novak.

If Roger is chosen again. It is shame for other players.

I don't know whose you are fan. However, the insult looking like of your favorite player is connected with it.

Take care.

tennisnba,

"I don't know whose you are fan. However, the insult looking like of your favorite player is connected with it."


Why do care whose fan I am? I wasn't aware that I had to swear allegiance to a player to post my opinion on this forum. As far as "insults" go, what does yours say about you?

And you take care as well.

Hey Quinn, you could make out what tennisnba meant? I could not make head nor tail of what she meant but you at least made her say something different from the stuff which she posts on every thread.
Congratulations.

Quinn. Because Roger is a most popular player, For years how many. Other players are never more attractive than RF. makes it to the conclusion.
Therefore, If you have a favorite player. Do not you lead to the shame to your favorite player. The meaning that I said.

But, not matter. Thanks. lol

Quinn, I don't see why US should be the measure of everything in this world. Just because Fed is not popular in US in his early days as the dominator, I dunno how that translates to him being a 'poor' representative of the sport. From the support he received in the US Open, you can say that he is the darling in the US Open and this is the guy who denied Andre Agassi in the final of the US Open and we know Andre is a rockstar in US.

But still, I dunno why any tennis player, be it Rafa, Djoker etc etc, should feel obligatory to break the US market. We all know tennis will never be more popular than NBA, baseball, American football just as much as these sports won't ever be regarded as world sport.

Even with 4 to 5 US players in top 10 tennis was not more popular. RF does just fine in the US every where in the world I may add. He is 30 and still attracks the most people tothe stadia.

I watched the Montreal coverage on CBC, the Canadian channel and 80% of the tennis adds had Roger and 20% had Roddick. Surprising Milos doesn't have any yet? Or I guess Rolex and Lindt were the major sponsors. So yes Roger is even popular in Canada.

2011-08-10 17:22:09
Cheryl Murray

'Understandably, he can?t be considered the favorite with Rafael Nadal hanging about...'

Why understandably?

What a load of crap.

It's just tennis when Fed loss to Djoko and Nadal. I had seen his playing with such intensity in Australian Open 2011 and French Open 2011. He is still unbelievable and much better than ever. It is just Djoko and Nadal played 130% to beat Roger at those times. Other losses this year,I think they were in Roger's mind. He doesn't seem to care. My vote for this year final ... Federer vs Nadal

torres9,

The never implied that the US was the measure of everything, but it is a huge sports market and the fact that Federer hasn't made a significant impact on tv viewership is noteworthy. You chose to judge the Djokovic by the comparing him to a player that dominated the sport for years.

Also, I never said or implied that Federer is a "poor" representative of the sport. But you keep setting up those straw men.

Ah, c'mon Fleur, how could Cheryl's statement be a load of crap?IMO, I think that cheryl has echoed the sentiments of the majority of those who are realistic and have very good insight in the sport of Tennis. Roger can beat any player on a given day, coz he has the know-how and skills to do just that,but realistically speaking, those days are now somewhat more infrequently, as compared to even 2009. That said, I concur roger cannot be considered the favorite with Nadal and Novak in the mix. I think realistically speaking, Rog's place on the list of favorites coincides with his ranking, but we can only hope for better.

http://www.10sballs.com/2011/09/24/roger-federer-pulls-out-of-shanghai -%E2%80%93-soderling-not-ready-yet/

http://straightsets.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/can-federer-win-anoth er-slam-title/?ref=rogerfederer

fleur, Roger wasn't the favorite at the French when he was in his prime, much less now. You can call "crap" all you like...doesn't change the facts.

2011-08-10 17:22:09
Cheryl Murray

'Understandably, he can?t be considered the favorite with Rafael Nadal hanging about...'

Why understandably?

What a load of crap.

Fleur , 8/17/11 9:07 PM


Oh Dear, another deluded Fedfan.

Wow Fleur's comment was a month ago and Nadaline still needs to suck up to Cheryl! ARe you really desperate for her attention that you want to acknowledge every comment Cheryl makes with a stupid or the equivalent a Nadalike statement

^^^^Whenever it was, it's still laughable.

nadline , 9/25/11 6:56 PM

(Posted on wrong thread)

ha hej sienna! just read yours :/ and all others here, had lovely wekend break away, but m?ssed you! We got told off about post?ng on vamosrafa post from nadl?ne and she?s all over federer and cherylmurray's comments :/ like a cover, and someone here says she?s also rafaelite, well..well.

cherylmurray I didn?t respond to you. Not just Rogie, but no one has been favor?te for french open. Why don?t you say instead??

Rogie never gets the guts for play?ng as number 2 clay player at french open, yet he made 5 f?inals and he looks great in all sorts of gear clad. Suits/underwear/watches/sunglasses/great person rogie, great person. (better thn rafa, god).

Oh Dear, another deluded Fedfan.
nadline, 9/25/11 11:09 AM

Your the one deluded nadline, not me. I have all mental staples.

@cherylmurray , 8/11/11 5:09 AM

Cheryl, you should know by now that I have a built in Excalibur Rapid Rebuttal Database which defends anything perceived to be unfair to Rafa. Lol
nadline, 8/11/11 3:33 PM.

This is what delusion means. It?s just we?rd to wrap yourself up in h?s l?fe when you not even in his and you suck up to cherfylmurray all the time. It's shivery.

Delusional, you are.

Fleur, I'm going to explain the finer points of blogging. This entry is about Roger, yeah? Why in the world would I talk about everyone else? Roger is not the favorite at Roland Garros directly because of Rafael Nadal. Period. To argue otherwise is to be in complete denial of the facts. Nadal has lost exactly one match there in his professional career and he has 6 titles. I'd say that makes him a fairly comprehensive favorite.

cheryl, complete misapprehens?on.

I think you getting hot for nothing.

Please, to explain myself. English language is not my first, so I understand difficulties, (please try not to be with sarcasm, it?s not healthy).

'Pundits were falling all over themselves proclaiming their amazement that Federer reached the final. Now, we?re talking about a guy who won the event in 2009, and made his way to the final 3 other times. Understandably, he can?t be considered the favorite with Rafael Nadal hanging about, but to be shocked at his success? Hardly complimentary, even if the turn of events delighted all but the most diehard Djokovic fan.

It is a testament to the fickle nature of the experts, that..Fed?s surprising.. run to the finals of the French suddenly made him a favorite at the All-England Club'.

You say Rogie?s 'surprising run'. I was say?n g, why is it surprising when he made so many finals at the french open there? More than others and I know it?s about Roger, this entry. You wouldn?t think so tho, would you?

I think it?s a fair point. Are you not busy today?

There you are again, hiding behind the "English language is not my first" defense every time you have to pick up your IQ and logic from the ground. :-)

you weren't saying "why surprising", Fleur. You asked me why I didn't say EVERYONE wasn't the favorite. I was explaining the reason I didn't say everyone wasn't the favorite.

And his making the finals DID surprise the experts. And delighted them no doubt. There is no reason to take offense at the smallest imagined slight against Roger.

And yes, I'm quite busy, thank you. Tennistalk is my job, you see. I'm at work right now! :D

Fed's run to the FO final this year was surprising because it was Nole that everyone thought was the favorite over Fed.

Happy now luckystar?

cheryl, i did NOT say that. I said why YOU think it?s surprising? This is what sa?d by you:

'It is a testament to the fickle nature of the experts, that Fed?s..... surprising... run to the finals of the French..

Why was it surpr?s?ng to you? he?s always reached the most finals. He should be distinct?ve because of th?s. Not other way round.

I know what I sa?d.

You don?t need to xpla?n the 'finer points of blogg?n to me'.

fleur, this is what you said:

"cherylmurray I didn?t respond to you. Not just Rogie, but no one has been favor?te for french open. Why don?t you say instead??"

It's a couple of posts up. Cheers. :)

Fleur, it's obvious that English is not your first language, but if you say no one has been favourite for the FO, where exactly do you come from? Cloud Cuckoo Land?

Why was it surpr?s?ng to you? he?s always reached the most finals. He should be distinct?ve because of th?s. Not other way round.
Fleur , 9/26/11 5:46 PM


That's a bit of an exageration. Let's look at the facts - Roger has made one GS final out of the last seven and only 2 finals this year out of 13 tournaments he's contested. In my books, that doesn't count as 'most finals'.

Fleur,

Your english is not sufficiently proficient to be arguing this case. You merely come across as an mis-informed naive Federer devotee who prowls the internet looking for sad opportunities to defend your idol. Please gain some objective tennis opinion and a grasp of the english language before you throw in your, very long and boring, two cents.

nadline,

I'm certain Fleur meant most RG finals the past few years : 5 out of 6 now.

yes numero, I did.

Nadline, why you don?t go to vamos rafa thread and pay hommage to him?

cheryl, you don?t understand do you/?, that?s right, no one has been favorite, so why is it 'surprising'? why you use the word 'surprising'?

Now do you get it?

nadline,

I'm certain Fleur meant most RG finals the past few years : 5 out of 6 now.

numero , 9/27/11 3:53 AM

You have a habit of putting words into people's mouths, what inside knowledge do you have that Fleur meant FO finals? That's not what she said and if that's what she meant to say then she should make it clear not you.

numero, I think your command of English is sound enough to realize that when someone says 'most finals' they are not referring to one tournament.

...the same way that he presumed to know why we like Rafa. Such all-knowing arrogance comparable only with that of his idol.

nadline,

It's just common sense that if we're discussing Roger's 'surprising' run to the FO final then most finals means most FO finals since, as you have figured out, it's not most GS finals these days. Just use your head sometimes.

Oh numero, you must listen to yourself sometimes. Did Federer not make most of GS finals along with the FO until last year? Did he make the FO final last year - NO! So why should anyone have assumed that he would make it this year.

nadline why don?t you go way for a change on rafa threads, plenty there, like you told me to stay away, and stop being so inflated with your remarks? Or is that inflamed?

numero thank you for understand?ng me.

use your head like numero says. I should make it clear? Who you to tell me I should make ?it clear?

You make mounta?ns out of mouse holes, when there is no need. I asked cheryl to expla?n 'surprising'. She hasn?t done it, so keep sucking up to her. You enjoy that like a hobby. Have no mind of your own.

yes Fkleur great to see youre postings again.
They give me a lot of joy.

You are absolutely rigth with regards to nadaline. It is ridiculous the amount of spam she throws around on every thread where Roger is mentioned.

I will ask Cheryl Murray to warn her because her postings and the constant negative way she speaks about Roger has become to much and really sends a negative atmosphere over this site.
maybe something can be done about her?

I had suspected Fleur and Sienna were Siamese Twins. The two synchronised posts above are the proof!

^^^ed, they are one and the same person.

More and more of us notice that Fleur sometimes chooses to write in pretty sophisticated almost error free grammar, and at other times hides behind clumsily disguised bad English.

chlorostoma, it's the same with Sienna, it's almost uncanny.....

Fleur,
I love it when they speak about us/ me?
It gives me the confirmation I need to keep coninuing on this site to show who the real haters are. Actully few of the are listed above. With Nadaline as topdog.
Nadaline the biggest hater of them all. She actually accused bleck or Rbennet of being not sincere with his workethos ony because he was posting many comments on TT. Look who's talking? She has been poluting the air on TT the last weeks with posts on every thread and replying to herself as she is just messed or mixed up with all the avatars she has got on this site.

That has happened before you know? She was I beloieve Carry before using her nick nadaline. But she was entangled and made (likenow) mistakes of posting with Carry for Nadaline. That was just fun to watch. She is entangled in her web of deceit and perception.

sienna!

like deuce and chlorostroma, nadline and rafaelite! (same names) except you and me are totly diffrent and we know it to! glad it becomes warm for them that they complete wrong. As for diffrent names? No time sienna,

yes warn her. see how she likes it. Every post bout Rogie, is from her or one of her twins and it isn?t nice.

dunno why the fuss as to who is using an alternate ID, and why? Could be they are afraid of the gang attacking them. I'm sure many of you have used, and are using different IDs on other sites. So what if it's done here? It's the content of the post that counts not who's writing it. coz we're all web imposters in a sense who wouldn't dream of using our real names.

I noticed that those posts by fleur and sienna were written at the same time, which means, it could not be the same person, coz there's a 45 second delay between writing posts, and it's not possible for the same poster to type a second post in 15 seconds to coincide with the 5:45 pm time of both posts. I think some of you need to give these women a break and stop looking at every small, nonsensical thing as the time of the posts, which in this case makes you all dead wrong in your baseless assumptions.

Scoretracker: Of course it would be possible to post synchronised posts at the same time provided you have two computers to work on. I'm surprised at you not working that one out!

crazy ppul here. who has 2 computers? the time? the ener?gy the effort/ we have stopwatch, click then post? ummmm. crazy.

keep bel?eving what you want. As bleck said, nadline and rafaelite and RINTB are the same person. Obvious and mindless.

ed, you are deuce (de/ed, yeah?/).

Well done Rogie on rest days!

HAHAHA
Fleur we will try it again but then on the same thread!! 1, 2 .... wait on three we go. 1, 2 ,,,post

Well peoples you would of course notice the differences between Fleur and myself. I also see the obvious similarities. Both sharp, witty and insigthful.
Of course Fleur is a far more fearce defender of the Fed and she always counters with great tenacity and hard evidence. So if you really think I am her then I am hounered.
I like to see myself as more sarcastic a bit like the Southpark humour. But that do not sit well with people from country who have not experienced great freedom. I will not go on about it because it is almost impossible to have a serious discussion with those posters. They have absolutely no selfmockery and have got a very poor understanding of freedom. So I understand that tehy are a litle backward in their approach. It is no big deal I will pay attention to those poor souls.
Keep it up you guy's it is a ball and these weeks are very hard without Roger playing.

@bleck, 9/28/11 8:30 PM, thanks for showing the difference in the two situations. One, which is Roger's, all he's doing is sitting in a plane. The other, Djokovic, is actually playing soccer, a very strenuous sport, as it's not only legs, but other body parts that are in use, and it's not possible to do that with the type of injury he has been claiming, which lead to his retirement. Let's not forget he was out partying just after DC retirement. He's just a faker, and one who's totally without any credibility. What a poor representative as a No.1. I got a huge reprimand for saying I don't think his injury was real, and there was other drama, where ed, who agreed with me, was requested to rethink her position. I wonder how the dramatist feels now that Mr. Djokovic is out playing ball and is scheduled to play Shanghai and whatever else he chooses to play.

I'll say this much, if he were my countryman, and baled out on DC, I'd forget about him. He's done it twice. I doubt his allegiance to his country as he only wants DC to be part of his resume, that's all. Now that he has that, goodbye DC..

mess up, I posted the above on the wrong thread.

wrong thread ?? great POST ANYWAY scoretracker....BABOOM

thanks sienna, I reposted it on the Fed footballer thread with a link to the actual article. Hope you like the article.

@ed, I have only one computer, so wouldn't know about using two computers simultaneously.I'm sorry, but I can't wrap my head around the use of fake IDs and using several computers simultaneously. To me that's cowardice, and I ain't afraid of anyone. ha ha. Hope you find that last line funny.

scoretracker: It beats me why anyone could be faffed to create alternative IDs but I'm sure there must be a site where you can learn the tricks of the trade if you're so minded ;-)

"Marketing juggernaut..." wow, that moniker sounds awfully familiar.

Federer can and will continue to sell everything under the sun, both pre and post retirement, just like Michael Jordan, for example.. Not sure about acting ability, but he has decent comic timing.

Nadal, otoh, photographs like a million bucks, but he's no pitch person. (I refuse to comment @ the Gypsy video- less said, the better.)

Djokovic won't get the international endorsements either. He's an astonishingly good player, but he's not a superstar, nor a brand.

The brass is in a full-scale panic & has been for the last few years. Federer has lost a quarter step, which leaves them in a quandary. When he loses a half step or more, they have nobody to take his place.

Rogie is the best Kelli. Forever.

sienna! you have better humour than southpark!

the three stooges strike again!

I wish you would stop referring to tennis as a business, Kelli. Its people like you who will eventually turn this sport into something similar to the WWE; its truly on its way there. And when sport becomes big business, it just opens a lot of doors for malpractice. We've seen it elsewhere, and I'm not entirely sure tennis is free of it either.

You don't need two separate computers to create alternative ID's and post at the same time. All you need is two separate browsers on the same computer - e.g. Firefox and Internet Explorer. Type in your comments on both browsers under the separate ids and once the two sections are ready, click comment simultaneously :D

While I feel that both Sienna and Fleur are out of this planet, and that there is a serious chance that they are both one person, you have admit there is an element of satirical value in the way they keep coming back and complimenting each other for the utter hogwash they type in.

Kelli, do you have concrete facts and figures to support your view that Federer is more marketable than Rafa? If that was the case, why would Richard Mille choose Rafa to market their most expensive watch over Federer who already has the Swiss precision credential being Swiss.

Nike sells 10 times as much of Rafa's kit than they do Federer's. Kia didn't choose Federer, they chose Rafa - would you like me to go on?

Rafa has 615k followers on twitter which he only joined about a month ago, more than any of the top 4; Federer has 30k. The only top player that comes close is Andy Murray with 610k and he's had his account for ever. How do you explain that?

Hate to be a bogart, but Safin will join a monastery before your wish comes true. If anything, the operation SHOULD function more like the WWE. That actually makes some sense.

At the height of their fame, the top guys in that business were earning more in one night than what the top tennis guys make all year. If you don't see an unbreakable bond between sport and business, I'm at a loss.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the players would be a-okay with clearing as much as their NBA/NFL/MLB counterparts. Tennis purists don't get them the big money, forward-thinking business people do.

I wonder with whom the players would side, though. A group of people who want to help them line their pockets with more money in appreciation for their hard work, or an antiquated division of people who like things status quo.

I'll go out on a limb and say the former, unless of course I'm hallucinating at the sight of Nadal doing countless spots for Armani, Federer peddling every product in existence and others doing videos, calendars, photo shoots, etc.

But you're probably right- Tradition is its own reward.

Nadline- that wasn't a Slam on Nadal. It's a matter of market preference. I don't look at Twitter, but I'm guessing that he's fairly accessible to his fans. People appreciate that, but as much as fans put into tennis, that's not where the real money is.

Federer tends to operate at a distance, by design, but he's a marketing icon. Nadal is most likely the most affable fan fave, but his profile/appeal is vastly different from Federer's.

I see Federer in a tv spot nearly every single day. I never see Nadal, unless the network is doing a tournament promo. That's in no way a cut or a dig toward Nadal mind you, but what I'm talking about functions independently from facts and figures and numbers and 4+4= 8....it's a question of universal appeal.

Uh oh! Now we all know how to post under two different ID's! I must admit that I had no idea you could do that. Shows how much I know, or the fact that it is the last thing that would cross my mind when posting online!

Why do I have the feeling that samprallica may not be the only one who already knows how to do it?

'Tradition is its own reward.'

Wimbledon, arguably the most traditional of all the tournaments, admirably demonstrates the truth of this saying. See Sports Illustrated article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MA G1187583/index.htm

Kelli, it depends on where you live. I never ever see any tennis player advertising anything on British TV except during a tennis tournament, and not all that much either, when I would say both Rafa and Roger get about the same exposure. So you can't generalize on who has the most endorsemrnts. If you lived in Spain or a Spanish speaking country, you might experience a completely different profile.

Sorry Kelli, Fed or Rafa, I can't see them here on tv everyday, maybe in the US, but not here in Asia. So, Fed's worldwide appeal is I'm afraid, only limited to the western world. We in Asia have our own icons, for Mecedes Benz, I don't see any ads here with Fed in them; and we have the famous Japanese actor Takashi Kaneshiro advertising for Armani suits. I'm living in Singapore, and it's only when there're tennis tournaments broadcasted here that I get to see Fed in Rolex ads and Rafa in Kia ads( Rafa's Kia ads was at least two years back!). Even when I was living in China two years back, I couldn't see any of Fed's or Rafa's ads there, they used their own stars there, their own famous actors/actresses or their own sportsmen/sportswomen.

So, Fedal still have much work to do, to reach out to the Asian markets here.

Nadal is on the front cover of more Men's magazines than any other tennis player. I don't think I've seen Federer on any magazine cover ever, he's probably been on some but I haven't seen them. Rafa is all over the internet with his Armani adverts.

You can't make categorical statements based only on your personal experience because unless you see the revenue generated by these players, there is no way of knowing who is more marketable than the other. If Rafa is more accessible to his fans, isn't he more likely to be able to sell them things?

I'm almost sure that if Federer has more endorsements than other top players it's simply because he got there first and dominated the sport for a few years not because he is more appealing. He signed long term contracts because no one envisaged anyone knocking him off his perch any time soon, that's why he has to go on playing and that's why everything is being done to keep his profile up by whatever means, like saying he is more trustworthy than Bill Gates? How does anyone work that one out?

Actually Rafa is slowly catching up with Fed on the endorsement front. I also read from another forum that Nole also gets the Mercedes sponsorship deal and also the famous watch Piaget sponsorship. I couldn't confirm that but I think Nole fans here may be able to confirm that.

My word, one moment I'm chlorostama, the next I'm ed and I thought I was really natashao...lawks dahlings I just can't keep up......Anyway I'm sulking now cos I want to be rafaisthebest....

Actually deuce, I'm actually pleased with my supposed alter ego - Rafaelite - which goes nicely with Nadline. But Rafaelite has been banned so I'm only half the poster I used to be. Lol.

Stop it you two! rofl. Do you think I should change my ID to numbers? |-)

lol nadline, but aren't you phoenix anyway?.... :)
ed, as you are me, I expressly forbid myself........

lol, lol, lol, lol, lol. deuce you th?nk you can tell a joke?, you can?t. you sound off to me. What does lawks mean? and dahlings?

crazy people. seriously delusional to think it would be a blast to do two browsers. wat? It?s fine to accuse/attack innocent poeople. In my country, we call ?t bullybeaters.

nadline is rafaelite and rafaisnothebest. deuce is chlorostoroma and ed. obvious to oblivion. keep the laptops smokin?/get those browsers browsin?

ed, i think you should just change everyth?ng about you tbh. rofl. lol. rofl. lol. rofl. lol.

There is no compar?son to Federer?s rolex brand, rolex is exclusive, the best, and nadal?s mickey mouse brand of watches for k?ddies for a w?der range of ppul. There is no compar?son to Federer?s mercedes and nadal?s dumper truck.

There is no compar?son to Fed?s millenium class and rafa's limited appeal for obsess?ional hangers on.

There is no compar?son to Fed's top brand brazilian coffee bean maker machine to rafa's instant cofey you could buy from Ica.

No Luckystar you have ?it wrong, as usual. Fed has the rolex sponsors. It?s the best t?ming in the world, (in case you didn?t know, champers).

Rogie gets s?gned because he is a marketeer's dream.

kelli, you r?ght. Federer?s brand and charm appeal is astronom?cal.

Anyway I'm sulking now cos I want to be rafaisthebest....
deuce
, 9/29/11 2:17 PM

Steady on deucy..............I am only just recovering from my hairy experience with the imposter who "stole" my identity and went on a posting spree on TT not too long calling him/herself "rafaisthebes"!..................talk about sending me into a cold sweat!

Sneaky b%#t&@d posted anti-Muzza posts basically to make it out as if it was me.............sneakily trying to get Muzza fans rise up against me.........

I bet you it was a Fedfan.....................only they can be that evil.....................

Sorry Fleur, you may think the world about Fed but in Asia, he's not as popular as you think. He has to share his Rolex glory with some golfers here, and as I mentioned I only see Fed's Rolex ads here during Wimbledon, not at other times. Golf and soccer are still more popular than tennis worldwide.

I'm afraid both Fed and Rafa appeal more to the European markets than the Asian markets. Like I said earlier on, we have our own stars or icons here and we know them better than we know Fedal.

Roger 47 million Rafa 31 million :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2011/08/25/the-worlds -highest-paid-tennis-players/

thanks numero.

poor luckystar, wrong again.

How do Federer fans support him?

Let him count the ways, for a total of $43 million - $18.5 million in annual earnings more than second-place tennis star Maria Sharapova, according to Forbes.

Federer endorses Credit Suisse, Gillette, Jura coffee machines, Wilson, Rolex watches. The 10-year Nike deal, alone, is worth about $100 million? and the as?an market are very pro-federer, so stop slander?ng.

lol nadline, but aren't you phoenix anyway?.... :)
ed, as you are me, I expressly forbid myself........

deuce , 9/29/11 4:12 PM


I am eternally grateful that I have not been mistaken for Fleur or Sienna. Lol

rafaisthebest, I remember that well and never believed that awful other one was you :)
nadline, never, ever, ever :)
Fleur, how very strange because previously you did appear to understand what "lawks" meant. Oh the webs we weave....

this is the stupid, adolescent nonsense that destroys websites,. I suppose it's what happens when some have nothing to do but just look for nonsensical stuff to amuse themselves. It;'s like a withhunt by some here to try to discredit the two Fed fans who are not afraid to take them on. Mind boggling and childish. Just look at the two sides, there's two on one side and about 20 attacking from all corners on the other side. shameful.

@deuce, you mentioned a while back to me that you have a great rapport with the rabid Rafafans on this site. I 'm not impressed, and I can see why. You're all the same, and it's the only way you can blend in with them. The above posts bear out what I'm saying.

Fleur and número, giving the figures that both Fed and Rafa earned doesn't change the fact that they both are not as popular as what you think they are in Asia. Now if you talk about David Beckham and Tiger Woods, well they're truly well known worldwide.

Fedal may have all the endorsements but their ads are mostly confined to the European and the American markets. I can't even see Fed in any Mercedes ads here, and not in China too. I only saw his Rolex ads during the time when Wimbledon was played. Not even his Lindnt chocolate ads was shown here, we've other Lindnt chocolates ads here.

lucky,

I wasn't responding to your Asia comments but to this :

You can't make categorical statements based only on your personal experience because unless you see the revenue generated by these players, there is no way of knowing who is more marketable than the other. nadline, 9/29/11 11:58 AM

I was simply showing the revenue generated.

Ok número noted.

scoretaracker, I've heard of "selective hearing" before, but never "selective reading."
Give us a wave from the moral high ground, while you're up there.

^-^

Do let's stop accusing people of having multiple identities....it's counterproductive.

And on the topic of Federer and Nadal....It isn't necessarily that Federer is more likable. In fact, they are probably about even in popularity tennis fan wise. The difference is that Federer has managed to make a brand of himself.

When advertisers hire Rafa, they get a million-dollar smile, a handsome visage and likability. Those are all good things and they are why he has the Armani deal. He has peddled chocolate breakfast drinks, Kia, watches and underwear. All lucrative, but not very...focused.

When an advertiser hires Federer, they do so with a VERY specific purpose. Rolex. Mercedes. Swiss truffles. NetJets. They hire Roger because his mere association with a brand says "this must be the best. because Roger Federer would never settle for less than the best."

This makes him a marketing goldmine. It's why he's worth more to advertisers than Nadal.

You see Cheryl, Fed's sponsors target the rich and well established; Rafa's sponsors target the young and trendy. If not why Armani jeans for Rafa instead of Fed? The Richard Mille watch also target those sporty, hi tech and those who go for specialty items instead of traditional, classic items. Rafa's Nike clothes are also more trendy and colourful than Fed's more classic line.

Other than Nike, Armani, Babolat, Barcadi, Kia and Richard Mille, Rafa also has his own Spanish bank Banesto, insurance company Maphre, home brand biscuits Quely and some gym equipments endorsements. He's not making any less endorsement money than Fed!

Nobody knows how much Nike is paying Rafa, but judging from what Fed, Sharapova and Serena Williams are getting, Rafa won't get any less than them. Now if all his other endorsements are worth 3-5 million each per year, just imagine how much he's getting! Why the figure 3-5 million, well that's just a rough estimate. I remember him signing an agreement with the tourist promotion board of Malloca, two years back I think, to promote tourism for the Balearic Islands, and they're paying him 10 million for three years, and that was his market value two years back! Of course not every sponsor pays the same figure, it depends on the promotional work or obligations he has to do or fullfil.

As Rafa matures and becomes even more established, I think the nature of his endorsements will change, well, maybe from Armani jeans to Armani suits? We have the Japanese actor Kaneshiro as the model for Armani suits in Asia, who knows we may have Rafael Nadal as the model for Armani suits for the European and American markets in future, when Rafa grows more mature in his looks?

Cheryl, why be so selective? You left out Richard Mille from your list of Rafa's sponsors; Rafa also advertises Quely, the spanish biscuits and the Balearic Islands - just glanced at luckystars post abouve and realised that she's already covered this subject.

Because Rafa is not English speaking, people assume that Roger has more personality but although Rafa doesn't do swerve he's a charm that is also very appealing.

Rafa and Federer appeal to different groups of people just like luckystar says. I'm reading Rafa's now and he says he is very comfortable travelling on EasyJet even though he could push his sponsors for a private plane, it's just not him. At the same time, I couldn't see Federer on EasyJet under any circumstances.

Please excuse all errors and ommisions from my above posts, I'm sure you know what I mean.

luckystar -- The fact of the matter is that Federer DOES earn more than Nadal does off endorsements. Check Forbes Magazine if you don't believe me. Federer earned $43 million in 2010. Nadal earned 21 million -- which is even less than Maria Sharapova made.

The facts are the facts. I'm simply reporting them.

Cheryl, Mercedes have now signed up Djokovic so Federer's earnings will go down. I can understand why he earns more in endorsements because he dominated tennis before the others and signed all these long term contracts which will probably not be renewed when they expire unless he returns to the top spot.

I don't get what the point is though. WWE wrestlers earn more than Federer, musicians who get women to prance about nude in their videos do as well. Money has never been the true definition of success - its just that all of us give so much value to lousy pieces of paper and digits on a screen.

That people buy things because a "superstar" peddles them is ridiculous enough. I just watch the tennis because I enjoy the game and I understand the need for the circulation of bucks within the tour, but everything has a limit. Bring in the greed factor, and the sport suffers.

I've only seen Federer in the Gillette advert and there was one during this year's Wimbledon but for the life of me I can't remember what he was advertising that's as much impact as it had on me so he didn't sell me whatever it was. On the other hand I made sure we rented a Kia when we were on holiday last year.

I know, I'm sad............too sad. :)

Cheryl, I'm not disputing that, but please 21 million, which year was that? Last year prize money alone Rafa earned 10 million. Exhos plus appearance fees? Bangkok alone, he got paid 1.5 million; and there were Queens, Tokyo and Doha, each may have to pay him 1 million for him to play there! Exhos? He had Abu Dhabi and came with prize money.

Endorsements - excluding Nike, and the new ones Armani and Bacardi, he had Richard Mille, Kia, Babolat, Banesto, Mapfre and Quely. So how much each paid him? Also how much Nike paid him? Just give you a rough guide: last year or so, Adidas forego Djokovic and signed up Murray, paying him £15 million for five years, ie £3 million each year, which is about US$5 million a year. So how much you think Nike has to pay Rafa, in order to keep him at Nike?

The figure 21 million is most probably a dated figure and an estimated one, simple as that!

The fact is, no one knows exactly how much anyone is worth, they are usually made up. I remember someone on the rich list saying he was offended that they only thought he was worth X and another saying he wished he was worth what they said on the list.

I wonder if even Rafa and Federer know how much they earn in a year let alone what they are worth ;-)

Sampracilla @ 9/30/11 5;39pm.
I agree and wouldnt consider buying something because a well known face endorses the product, unfortunately some would.

Sponsers who hire Federer and Nadal are aiming at different niches in the market
Federer at the more mature consumer as he appears to promote quality/reliability and Nadal at the younger more fashion concious (spelling!) with disposable income though this may change through time.

ed251137, its questionable if they do.

luckystar -- obviously, the amount that each player earns at a tournament is going to change from year to year. The point remains the same. So if you find the most very recent numbers from Forbes, Roger is listed as having earned 47 million in 2010 and nadal 31 million. You've just made my point for me. Even in a year where Rafa far out-paced Federer in prizemoney, he is STILL far below him in total earnings.

Federer is worth more to advertisers. Period. He probably always will be because of his brand.

Cheryl, nobody is arguing that Fed is earning more endorsement money than Rafa NOW. What I don't agree is the figure 21 million, and now you're telling me the figure is 31 million? Rafa only begins to get in more endorsements these two years, right now Armani and Bacardi are added to his list, and there'll be more. Your assumption that Fed will always earn more endorsement money than Rafa may not hold true in the future, nothing is guaranteed, remember? As Rafa matures and gains in stature, he'll one day moves to the more matured market, right now he's enjoying his stint as the spoke person for the young and trendy.

Rafa is also smart enough to do his rounds of exhos around the world, I just heard from the Taiwanese news that it is rumored that they paid him NTD50 million (ie between USD1.5 to 2 million) for his appearance in the Taiwan exho.

^^^^So lucky you agree that Rafa is just tiring himself out with these exhibitions because he's greedy for the money. Me too.

Wrong número, exhos are exhos. Who says Rafa will be tired out by these exhos? Número clutching at straws, if you want to compare actual competition with exhos. If doing exhos are being called greedy for money, número, your idol Fed is the no.1 greedy guy, doing exhos year after year.

To me doing exhos is the best way for top players to meet their fans and make good money at the same time. Rafa certainly has many fans in Taiwan, judging by the reception he has at the Taipei airport. He looks so happy and relax and enjoys the activities they arranged for him. It's certainly different from competitions when the atmosphere is always tense. I hope Rafa can do more exhos in future, maybe we can have one here in Spore.

It's actually quite asinine this pissing contest over who makes more money. It's so obvious that this is Nole's year on court which is what really counts. I bet Roger would trade this year's income (which will probably be 20 million plus more) with Nole to have those 3 GS and 5 Masters.

It seems in individual sports, for the best athletes, when you're young you win a lot and when you're old you rake in a lot of money. I doubt the money is much consolation for not winning. If I were in their shoes I'd take Nole's on court success over Roger's money this year.

Don't be silly, Fed already had his days of glory during those years from 2004-2007. It's now the time to relax and reap the rewards, especailly monetary ones, when he's already 30 now. Can you imagine he still has to slug it out on court at age 30, to get three slams a year? Now what would people think of him and the field, that at age 30, he still can win three slams a year? Must be a weak field out there and hence a 30 yo man still can dominate. It won't add anything to his legacy, might as well let Nole and Rafa dominate the field and prove that with strong competition, he still can win one or two slams more; that to me may add to his legacy.

Also, Fed rightfully tops the endorsement list as he has already done the hard work out there all these years, establishing his legacy. Rafa is building his now and is on his way there. As I've mentioned, Rafa rakes up all these endorsement deals only these two years, it's obvious that both Fed and Rafa have to work hard and become no.1 before they're being recognized and earned these lucrative deals. If both were just average players, I don't think they can earn that much money despite having good looks. The next person who will join the two of them would be Nole.

I think there's no conflicts out there as the market is big enough to accomodate all these lucrative deals. There's not only Mercedes Benz, there're also Lexus, BMW or Jaguar for example. There's not only Rolex, but other big brands too and I heard Nole had won a Piaget contract. Fed can't have all of them, as once he endorse for one, he can't endorse for the rival brand, so others can also pick up the good deals. It's a matter of building up one's legacy and then reap the rewards afterwards. Rafa and Nole will both get there, in my opinion.

@numero, so right there, I don't understand what the fuss is all about. Its the tennis and what has been achieved there that defines success, and it should stay that way.

Agassi made way more than Sampras when they were playing, if that's an indication of what I'm saying. And we now know that the ATP protected him because of it. Who knows what else he did behind closed doors? Take note, I'm not accusing anyone here, but the possibility remains huge given that we didn't know for over a decade that the guy had taken meth. Lots of players have voiced their suspicions over what happened concerning his AO 2002 withdrawal.

This is what money and greed can do to the sport. Once again, I'm not making any allegations and I sincerely hope I'm right when I think the ATP is clean at the top, but all the top players could be cheating and the ATP could be protecting them because of the theatrical value they retain by allowing them to do so.

A bit too idealistic. Just ask the players, they all work for a reward. Of course everyone want to be successful and if possible to be great and be remembered. However without monetary rewards, I believe most sports can't attrack the best to start with. The time span as a top sportsmen/women is relatively short compared to other careers, if they don't maximize their earning potential during their best years, who's going to feed them after their careers are over and done with?

Of course the key is to balance between making money and competing well and win as much as possible. I believe in tennis, both Fed and Rafa are doing just that. Others like Nole, Murray and Delpo may do the same in future.

Sorry, not 'attrack' but 'attract' of course.

All players aspire to be ranked No.1 in the world - it's the validation of everything they have worked for - but you simply cannot ignore what it does for their earnings. Fed was impregnable in that respect for years which is why he has garnered so many endorsement deals and why he would be ecstatic to be officially labelled the GOAT: that would be the guarantee for a lifetime of lucrative deals long after he has retired from competitive tennis.

But over and above his credentials as a sportsman, as Cheryl has repeatedly pointed out, from a marketing point of view Federer has more to offer and a broader appeal than either Rafa or Nole. It's a question of 'horses for courses'.

btw Lucky, I'm not so sure Nole will ever catch up with Roger or Rafa in the scramble for endorsement deals but with his penchant for exhibitionism he will be in great demand for the celebrity chat show circuit. And when he retires he will be a prime candidate for reality TV shows worldwide.

Samprallica: why do so many people assume it is the players themselves who are greedy for more money? Once they reach the higher echelons of success they become the pawns in a business empire controlled by other people who negotiate fees, deals, sponsorship, endorsements etc. etc. and who dictate what they should or shouldn't do.

When advertisers hire Rafa, they get a million-dollar smile, a handsome visage and likability. Those are all good things and they are why he has the Armani deal. He has peddled chocolate breakfast drinks, Kia, watches and underwear. All lucrative, but not very...focused.

Cheryl, nadal is?nt handsome.

I'm not making any allegations and I sincerely hope I'm right when I think the ATP is clean at the top, but all the top players could be cheating and the ATP could be protecting them because of the theatrical value they retain by allowing them to do so.

samprallica, 10/1/11 6:16 AM

sampra, the only person who cheat this year is novak, in his metal tunnel. How can that be all?wed?

Cheryl, Mercedes have now signed up Djokovic so Federer's earnings will go down. I can understand why he earns more in endorsements because he dominated tennis before the others and signed all these long term contracts which will probably not be renewed when they expire unless he returns to the top spot.
nadline, 9/30/11 5:31 PM

nadline, you no noth?ng bout federer. He has lifetime contracts with lots of sponsors. stick to rafa?s biscuits. It?s waht you no most. Federer is a brand. L?sten to cheryl, you don?t listen. Federer will be remembered when you are long gone.

He is supersta.




Nadaline, yes. Glad you po?nted out rafa was branded to a biscuit. Says it all really.

I've only seen Federer in the Gillette advert and there was one during this year's Wimbledon but for the life of me I can't remember what he was advertising that's as much impact as it had on me so he didn't sell me whatever it was. On the other hand I made sure we rented a Kia when we were on holiday last year.

I know, I'm sad............too sad. :)
nadline, 9/30/11 5:47 PM

It?s great nadline driving round in car with fed?s face on it!

I can tell you, Federer was on for 24 seconds wit Rolex advert and Cred?t Suisse. Now there is handsome visage. There was also short advert on LINDT chocs. Best in world. LINDT v biscu?t...ummm.

ed, you're comparing a 25 yo and a 24 yo with a 30yo guy. Why don't you compare them to Fed when he was 24/25, during 2005-2006? Had he already gotten all these lucrative deals back then? Maybe some but not as much as he's getting now.

As I've mentioned, the market is big enough for them all to each get some lucrative deals. How can we be sure that when Rafa and Nole are 27-28 yo, they won't be as successful as Fed in terms of getting these lucrative endorsements deals? We're talking about the future, not now, how can anyone be so certain??

BTW, I'm impressed with Nole's linguistic skills. He can speak so many languages. I seriously think that he can be a diplomat when his tennis career is over. Given his heroic status in Serbia, he may be a successful politician in future. I really feel that he'll be an influential man in his own country. Fed may be a successful businessman when his tennis career is over, having established his own RF brand. I heard his wife Mirka is the heiress to an jewellery business empire, so they'll be doing business and mixing with celebrities and living the high life.

For Rafa, he's so much into sports, he's the major shareholder of his Majorca football club, and
he's building his own tennis academy in his home town, which may explain why he's eagerly earning some extra money, to fund his academy I suppose. Also Rafa's father and his uncles help him to invest his money, in some hotels and insurance company, in addition to having some annunity plans for Rafa so that he'll not run out of money to spend even if he stops playing tennis. Interesting read about these players and their financial status.

Fleur and Sienna, just take it as read that I disagree with your opinions on Rafa and I don't buy into all the hype about Roger. That's all you need to know.

Fleur and Sienna, just take it as read that I disagree with your opinions on Rafa and I don't buy into all the hype about Roger. That's all you need to know.
nadline, 10/1/11 8:43 AM

oh realy? so why you wr?te so much bout him and no so litle?

You no nothing.

Fed is supersta. You can?t disagree with fact. You fight aga?nst fact? How do you do that? You can?t argue with fact?

Fleur,

It's a waste of time trying to convince nadline of anything. You would have better success training a tree to walk. Arguing with her is like arguing with a brick wall. She is oblivious to facts and reality.

^^^^^^it's official, there is one TT poster to whom fleur makes sense.........

And Bleck is another. Probably recruited from another site to swell the ranks.

I thought the same thing , and it took me a while to figure out "YKW' on another thread. Only a Rafa fan could have understood the code. Why post on a blog site if you ned to use codes? Is it a secret organization within another one ...... intra .....?

On the recruitment from another site, well something has to be done, even if it's importation, coz we're all being chased away by the many of you here on this site. You make no secret of the fact that you don't want us here, especially with the 'YKW' and ^-^ codes. It's obvious this is a Nadal luv site and Fed fans are excess baggage. BTW, this is a Fed thread and who are the ones posting more? The Rafa fans. They can't seem to get enough of Fed. ha ha.Face it guys, if there weren't any Fed fans here, you'd be scratching each other eyes out, so at least we provide a diversion for you not to do that which comes naturally.

I should have prefaced my post @ 4:32am,

"^^^^^^it's official, there is one TT poster to whom fleur makes sense.........

rafaisthebest, 10/1/11 2:56 PM

"And Bleck is another. Probably recruited from another site to swell the ranks.

ed251137, 10/1/11 7:43 PM", then added:

"I thought the same thing ......

^^^^^^it's official, there is one TT poster to whom fleur makes sense.........
rafaisthebest, 10/1/11 2:56 PM

so if you understand what numero is say?ng and he understood wat I say?ng then that makes two! and ?f scoretrakker understand RINTB and then numero, that makes three! and mabee bleck makes 5 and scoretrackker who understands bleck who understands numero, who understands RINTB makes 6, and we wa?t for next rafafan to add and that makes 7, so I ?mprooving all the time, w?ch is happ?ness for me.

I wa?t for nadaline/Chlo/deuce/ed/lucystar.

Thanks RINTB.

Fleur,

They understand what you're saying. They're intentionally acting ignorant because you're not a Rafanatic is all.

I dont undastand why so many rafanatics post on roger sites? like they don?t hv enough of the?r own. Always d?sagreeable ppul, start?ng someth?n from noth?ng.

Fed is supersta. Always w?ll be. Best brand, best man, best everyth?ng.

They should go to vamosrafa and post garbage there.

Numero, you always post well.

Scoretracker @ 4.32: You do like curdling the milk dont you!

Show me evidence for your claim that Nadal fans would attack each other without the diversion of Fedfans.

Can you not accept there are some fans who actively dislike the spiteful personal attacks that break out on TT and are capable of having serious discussions and/or lighthearted banter with each other regardless of who they support. It is only natural that like-minded people show solidarity when threatened or under attack: Revisit the match report on USO final starting at 9/16/11 6:26 PM and then tell me that Fleur was discussing tennis and was not hellbent on winding up Rafans.

YKW was a little joke with Deuce and the only reason it was coded was to avoid causing offence to oversensitive Fedfans.

BTW: I'm not sure Deuce will take kindly to being labelled a Rafan: surely you've been around long enough on TT to know that she is first and foremost a MurrayFan.

ed,

Things are getting beyond bizarre when something like "YKW" can be interpreted as a code! What is this, international intrigue or just talking on a tennis forum? I have no idea how anyone could read something sinister into those initials. Sometimes it's in the mind of the reader. If you wish to believe in ulterior motives, hidden agendas and conspiracies, then you will find them wherever you look.

ed, I'll only answer you because you've been civil to me in the past. No, I don't like curdling the milk, but I don't feel there was any need to for you to write "YKW' coz it was clearly about Federer, but I suppose you did that coz you were being sarcastic about things quieting donw since Roger's not playing. . Do you see Fed fans or any other player's fans writing those codes? And, what was ^-^ when you agreed with deuece, why couldn't just say it openly?

If you want to see evidence of Rafafans going at each other check out the posts more clearlty. when NNY gets on her high horse she attacks even Rafafans, so does Nadline and at times luckystar, Rafaisthebest. You've got to have selective reading not to see the fights.

NNY, you can't even handle 'BS and 'suck it up', when it's said by a Fed or other player fan, but you sanction other more violent stuff when it comes from a Rafa fan. You're just full of hypocrisy. Youu should be the last to talk about things getting bizzare, but isn't just like you to start ejecting your fangs when you see an opening? this was a perfect opening for you to jump in both feet first, and emit your venom. You're 'pathetic' (a word you love to use for Fed fans) , but have fun doing what you do best, ejecting venom from your fangs.

PS: I'm glad I gave NNY an opportunity to get in a dig at me. She was just waiting, taking her ususal astral walks, to pounce. Happy now NNY? You sholld be, since you've not had any opportunity to score some kudos albeit for the wrong reasons which blew up in your face. Or was it an opportunity to let us know how wounded you are and how much you suffer on a daily basis?Poor wounded NNY.

scoretracker,

You are really a million laughs. It didn't take long for you to jump in with your toxicity, now did it? Fangs? Yikes! Oh yes, I am one scary person.

Too bad on you! If you want to make yourself look utterly ridiculous by once again reacting to nothing and making it out to be a "code", then you deserve what you get.

You would think that I was waiting to get in a dig at you. Well you are the one who started it, didn't you? One more time! Caught again!

Cheers and don't get so upset. It's not good for your health! :)

NNY, "You are really a million laughs. It didn't take long for you to jump in with your toxicity, now did it? Fangs? Yikes! Oh yes, I am one scary person. "

I think you have it all wrong. You're the one that's the million laughs, coz I believe ed was addressing me, and nowhere in her comment did I see her mention you. But, as per usual, you had to jump in and start something. Now who's the one that's good for a million laughs?

FYI, your usual smokecreen of mumbo-jumbo is not going to exonerate you for jumping into something that didn't concern you. However, knowing the kind you are, you just couldn't help but rise to the occasion to get in your usual quota of digs. FYI, what did I get? that I deserved? I got nothing. The only thing I got was to see once again how vicious you are and can't let an opportunity pass to send out your fangs. I can't get caught for something I didn't do, just in case you can't figure that one out. You're like a kid, "oooh you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar", that's for people who do underhand things like you. I didn't get caught, coz I confronted, and that takes guts, which you, especially, don't have., coz you like to talk in generalities. Just look at your post and you'l see how gutless you are, hiding behind ed's skirt. when you have something to say to me, just say it, don't wait for someone to start, then jump in using your long fangs to get your point across.

FYI, I'm not the one who talks about my health and how much I can't breathe when I can't handle situations, e.g., like darling Rafa being in a tight match. You had to give us a running update of your accident, poor thing, and back problems, just to get a point across on Novak's injury. Unfortunately for you, you're so caught up in your misery that you can't differentiate tetween a car accident and a tennis injury.

Who says i'm upset? lol. Cheers to you too, and be careful with those back injuries, as they can be very painful, and could keep you laid up for over a month. Also, I hope you're able to breathe when Rafa meets with a tough opponent.

Only the lowest of the low would bring up my asthma. Even numero had the decency to apologize when he made a joke about it. So you are knew here, right? That is as big a lie as the rest of your phony persona. You preach from on high as though you are God, be because you have this paranoia which clouds your judgement, you see codes and conspiracies everywhere. Like we are all talking about you! Sure! Because everything on this forum is about you.

So far you have attacked ed, deuce and myself for supposedly talking about you. And you were wrong every single time. But no shame, no apology, no sorry.

You attacked me for going at it with numero. But no matter how much he and I may disagree, I know that he wasn't sick enough to make fun of me having trouble breathing. So you have been reading here for some time and tracking what I saw. Your obsession and stalking is sickening and disgusting and so are you.

I can take care of my asthma, but dealing with you is a curse that no one here should have to bear!

I want to be sure to correct a few typos in my previous post.

It should read - So you are new here, right?

So you have been reading here for some time and tracking what I say.

The only person here who is miserable is you, scoretracker. You thrive on things like this, it's what gives meaning to your existence. You are filled with hate and pious outrage as though you think you are superior to people here. You fight your miserable battles as though this is a way to give you the self-esteem and self-worth you lack.

Here is some advice - it won't work! You can make fun of my asthma all you want, but I will manage to survive. You even had to make fun of my back injury. Like I would make up something like that so I could bolster my argument. Only you would accuse me of that because it's what you do. You are a poseur and a joke.

Have a happy evening and enjoy your misery and the hallucinations about conspiracies against you!

NNY, I'm not the lowest of the low. YOU ARE. Unfortunately for you, you are blind and cannot see how your stupid intervention opens you up to unkind comments. You attack in the nastiest, lowest manner, but you want decency from the other person. Why, do you think you deserve it? You give tit for tat and more, but can't take it when it's given back? I never made fun of your asthma. I didn't know you had asthma. I only read where you claimed during wimbledon that Nadal's match had you in a state of being unable to breathe, so why would you think I know about your having asthma. FYI, people find it difficult to breathe if they feel stressed, and that in no way means they have asthma. Also, you mentioned your back problems to try to impress us that you understood about Novak's intercoastal strain, which was totally unnecessary. Unfortunately, for you you have a poor memory.

I'm not the one who referred to health, you did. You told me not to get too upset, so I replied in kind. FYI, if you don't want someone to refer to your many illnesses, back and breathing, then don't mention it. You use such information for sympathy, and it rebounds back onto you.

Yes, I've been reading here for sometime, since Wimbledon. That incident about your breathing happenend around wimby when I began posting here, so don't try to make it out as though I'm tracking you. You are NOT that important.I don't want to know anything about your miserable life. Just your behavior on this site tells me you're insecure and miserable.

Your problem is that you stick yourself into a discussion using all types of innuendoes and sarcastic remarks, and when people respond to you you can't handle it. Not only do you do that, you use exaggerations, lies and anything else you can find to make yourself appear to be right. It won't work with me, coz I didn't do anything to you. The matter was between ed and myself. I made a remark about codes I see on anolther thread and she chose to confront me about it.

"I can take care of my asthma, but dealing with you is a curse that no one here should have to bear!"

Likewise. I can take care of the other posters, but you are 'the' curse
no one should have to bear.

Do you know the meaning of the word 'attack'? I did not attack you for going at it with numero, I made a statement that you pick on numero and the Fed fans. Is that an attack or merely stating the facts, and is it a lie? The answer is NO, ikt's not a lie but the gospel truth. You do go after the Fed fans for very little reason whatsoever.


"So far you have attacked ed, deuce and myself for supposedly talking about you. And you were wrong every single time. But no shame, no apology, no sorry."

A prime example of how you love to make up stories. show me where I aattacked deuce, ed and yourself for talking about me? I never did. I made a comment about the codes I see being used. But, since you've now accused me of something I didn't do, I want the evidence of when and where I attacked them. I know you don't have it, and will make up some story to weasel yourself out of it. Don't even bother, I know the drill all to well by now. You never can back up that which you pull out of thin air. I'm sure it's obvious to all that you are someone who likes to embellish. You'll do anything for recognition.I 'm laughing that you think you deserve an apology from me. For what may I ask? Your butting in and starting a war? You must be one hell of a lunatic if you think that I'll apologize to you ever again. I was decent to do so once, and you used it as something nasty, but once is enough for me.

Keep your advice, I don't need it, give it to your friends who would listen to a messed up person such as yourself. In fact, I believe ed mentioned to you a few weeks ago to stop involving her in your mess, and she's also said she helps you out when you get yourself in too deep. Now that says a lot of your behavior doesn't it?

Look NNY, it's obvious you've got an ax to grind with me, and you do so every opportunity you can find. Today, you didn't have to get involved, but it probably tasted sweet to you to get in your digs. Now reap the consequences and shut up.

I have nothing further to say to you except that you are the lowest of the low to consistently pick on people who are few in numbers, the Fed fans, and especially those who are new on this site. You've accused me of using fake IDs, of knowing you personally, and all other ridiculous things you can find to strengthen your rants, but it won't work with me, coz I can see through your facade, and believe me what I see, is not pretty.

scoretracker,

Baloney! You read that conversation I had with numero and know full well that I told him I had asthma. Once he realized that it wasn't an anxiety attack, he said he was sorry and was gracious and sincere. You wouldn't have the slightest clue what that is about. That is because it's not personal with him. But it is with you. I said it before and will repeat it again. There is only one person sick enough to post these blog length epic essays filled with personal attacks that have nothing whatsoever to do with who I am. You know nothing about me, have never met me and do not get to tell people here who I am. You just have a vivid imagination, filled with imaginary conspiracies and codes and machinations.

Yes, you did attack deuce for fraternizing with Rafa fans. She responded and said you should be happy living on your high moral ground. So don't start playing games and pretending. You even attacked nadline, but she swatted you away like a fly.

You started this and it's always you. I get fed up and then get into with you, because what you are doing and what you say is so abominable.

Now you are dead to me here. I will never acknowledge your presence. Anyone who would deliberately make fun of someone with asthma and then try to get out of it, is not part of the human race.

I am done with you now that I have had my say. Of course, you will reply. You think that if you get the last word then you will win the battle, but you have lost because you made fun of someone's real health issues.

scoretracker, FYI I agree with everything ed said @10.16. FYI as well, the symbols she used after my post are universally recognised on the net as signifying agreement. No "secret" code there.
BTW u certainly accused me of talking about you when I was merely exchanging banter with Sosueme, to the extent, I remember, that Sosueme suggested you were being "paranoid." You seem to have a problem with the "humour" that ed and I share, while being perfectly happy with the "humour" that Fleur and Sienna share. That seems a trifle strange, to me.
BTW if you think Fed fans are "driven off" this site merely because they are Fed fans, then you are very much mistaken.

scoretracker, 10/3/11 12:15 AM i will repay the courtesy by responding to your comments.

In my opening remark I was simply teasing you for having a bit of a dig at the Rafans. i dont have a problem with people doing wind-ups - I am as guilty as anyone of indulging in that if someone lays themselves open to it. There is always the option of getting out of the kitchen if you cant stand the heat - which you may have noticed is what I do when things get out of hand. e.g. when Fleur posted this: "Ed, your the vile one here. You and deuce speak nonsense most of time. You respect only those who agree with you or suck up to your tantrums. scoretracker got it right in one."

It's all part of the cut and thrust of joining a community.

And you're right in saying I do use sarcasm sometimes but I draw the line at vicious or cruel personal comments intended to humiliate or wound people.

Deuce has already covered the other point you made but I would just add that the in this instance I used ^_^ in the sense 'I like it' because her comment amused me a lot. And yes, we do have a shared sense of humour which sometimes takes off and makes our comments incomprehensible to other people - but no more incomprehensible than many other exchanges taking place on this site. lol.

hand on a second deuce.

Where do you go bringing a post from me a month ago into a compete?y d?frent arguement between score and nativenewyorker? I?ve been read?ng it in aston?shmen. Wat?s yr angle? except to revel in mak?ng trouble? That?s /cruel and personal, yet you can humil?ate?

You seem to have a problem with the "humour" that ed and I share, while being perfectly happy with the "humour" that Fleur and Sienna share. That seems a trifle strange, to me.
BTW if you think Fed fans are "driven off" this site merely because they are Fed fans, then you are very much mistaken.
deuce, 10/3/11 8:21 AM

It's because you deuce are NOT funny. I don?t get yours because your not funny. Someone here ment?on you 'hide beh?nd skirt of ed. It's true. Look. ednumbers posts stra?taway.

You are defi the same person.

Sienna is very funny. She shud be d?rector of film compnay.

deuce, you say you don?t like e.g. when Fleur posted this: "Ed, your the vile one here. You and deuce speak nonsense most of time. You respect only those who agree with you or suck up to your tantrums. scoretracker got it right in one."

but ok for you to call 'poison ivy?'.

you not wh?ter here.

Fleur 4 points 1) re @ 7.22 "you are defi the same person" cheryl has asked people NOT to accuse posters of multiple identities, as she wrote it's "counter productive." It would be good if you could respect her wishes. 2) I have indeed called you "poisonous Ivy" only AFTER you started making extremely unpleasant, personal remarks about posters on this site. 3) I am very pleased to note that I have a completely different sense of humour from you 4) @ 7.46 you are quoting ed.not me.

deuce: how about entering as a doubles team at the next WTA tournament.

Oh ed.,lol! Thanks so much for making me laugh, I needed that, because honestly I'm on the brink of sinking into the slough of despond here, what on earth do we have to do??
I'm not sure we would make a serious doubles team though, we would be busy laughing too much....:)

@deuce, on the accusation situation, didn't it go something like this: e.g., I wrote a comment, and sosuemec ommented just after mine, whereby I thought he/she was responding to me. At that point I asked him/her, if the comment was meant for me and he/she responded no, but thinks I'm being paranoid. Hence, is that the same as accusing the two of you of *talking about me*? Hardly likely. I find that there's a thin line here, of what actually transpires and how it's worded and/or related back to the individual. anyway, that's how I remember it. I tried looking for the actual post, but time and unfamiliarity is a huge hinderance, so I'm going from memory, or what little there is.

@ed, fair enough. You I can relate to coz you explain without embellishing. i can work with that. It's the vile accusations and embellishments I can't handle. coz, I'll call a spade a spade, if it is warranted and am unafraid to speak up, truth being the cornerstone. I don't belieive that it's necessary to go enter into the territory of the dramatics as this is not broadway or shakespearean teritory, just simple everyday language, which some can't seem to grasp. peace.

scoretracker: Glad that one has been sorted out.

Now how about you and NNY kiss and make up :?{}

NNY: and the same goes for you :?{}

@ed, all's good between us.

On your second request, you're being very noble here, and I admire your well meant attempts to make peace, but, I have to say, no way. I can't deal with dead, that's abolutely the vilest and sickest comment I've ever seen written anywhere. Only lovers use that kind of sick terminology, and I'm thinking when did the love affair begin for it to have such a sick ending. I'll stay in my little corner except if provoked, coz I ain't taking that kind of abuse from no one. Hope you understand.Cheers.

Deuce: I'm having a serious identity crisis. Am I you, or are you me? We'd better get that sorted out before we start playing a doubles match :-D

ed,

You are a great person, but words have consequences and can do a lot of damage. Just look at the reply and you can see for yourself the futility of even trying. There is much more going on here, unfortunately.

Still campaigning desperately to gain the higher moral ground, as always. Throws around insults and makes fun of a respiratory illness and then gets insulted when I say that this person is dead to me. That's the problem! It doesn't stop. When someone is unable to take responsibilty for one's actions, then it's impossible.

However, your sentiment is honest and admirable. It's not personal with you and deuce, but it very personal with me. As you said so well, you draw a line when it comes to vicious or cruel personal comments intended to humililate or wound people. And that is where this person does not draw the line. And has the gall to take offense when it is returned in kind.

Thanks for being so kind and generous. You are one of the good ones here! :)

One more thing. I never thanked numero for apologizing for making a joke about my breathing problems. Once he found out that it was asthma, he showed true class. We will never see eye-to-eye about almost anything and will always be going at it. However, in that moment I realized that no matter how much we argue and disagree intensely, that there is some humanity that can be shared.

I am grateful for that consideration and the thank you is long overdue to numero, if you are out there.

How does one answer s ch sick thoughts and exaggerations , maybe just by sying s***.

Color me surprised but you're welcome.;)

numero,

It was long overdue. I am sure you are surprised, but I did read your apology and it was appreciated. In the midst of so much unfortunate hate and spite, it was time to step up and say what I should have said at the time.

Something good has to come out of this miserable, shameful exhibition. Don't worry, I expect you and I will still have our disagreements as always. But after reading what I have read here, it did make me remember what you did. I also know that you didn't have to do it. You could have remained silent or made fun of me, laughed about it and treated it like a joke. You didn't.

I just hope you keep in mind that if and when we go at it again, this sentiment on my part will never change. :)

A perfect window of opportunity to earn more kuodos, why not jump through it. Unbelievable and truly amazing.LOL.

ed, have just had a gr8 mental image of, what will obviously be, the match of the century...and we go through it each shouting "mine" "mine", standing on same side of court, trying to serve at the same time etc. Come to think of it that last one would be an excellent tactic :)
We'd be simply unstoppable...

I've just fallen off my chair laughing. With that tactic we could probably beat even the Bryan brothers.

ed and deuce,

You gave me a badly needed laugh with your comments. Actually, I would pay to see the two of you on the same side of the court trying to serve at the same time. It would be your best shot! :)

ed and NNY :) it's good to laugh :)
PS ed it's probably not against the rules either....probably because no-one's thought of it...yet....would love to see it trialed at Wimbles......;)

How about we enter for the Olympics? We could invite Jamie and Andy to be our practice partners.

ed, oooph at the thought...but would they be good enough.....?

ed,

You beat me to it with the idea of practicing with Andy and Jamie! I think they could give you two some great tips. I would think that deuce has earned it, given her long suffering devotion and support for Andy. Maybe she could give him her thoughts about how to win his first slam! :)

Jest not NNY - he will surprise everybody, including himself, one day. I believe he is one of those players who will reach his full potential later rather than sooner.

Yes, it was meant in jest but I can see how it would not be all that funny. However, I have said many times that I believe it will happen for Andy. In fact I expect it to happen in 2012. I am not predicting which one, but I have had this feeling for a while. I can't explain it, just a sense.

I've already thrown my hat in the ring by backing him for Olympic Gold. But I'm not telling Popeye in case it puts a jinx on him!

Deuce: How do you rate our chances against the Fedups?

deuce/ed I?ve written to cheryl to ask her to put stop to you too accus?ng me, s?ena and others.

No where here was I ?involved. you drag?ng uip past stuff, leave argu?ng to the two of them here.

They enjoy?ng it.

You are ch?ild?sh behavior forget?ng it is NOT okay for you to say bad stuff. Cheryl warned me, s?ena, now she shud warn you to and ed, cos you start?ng up again. It?s pathet?c. grow up.

Deuce: May I come and hide under your sofa?

Fleur: You appear to be having tennis withdrawal symptoms. Why not go and watch some DVDs of Roger's greatest moments - that will make you feel better.
BTW: I'm banking on Cheryl's commonsense prevailing but should you succeed in getting us banned I'll have your guts for garters.

NNY: For goodness sake don't join in this discussion or you too will be branded an alter ego and get banned along with me and deuce.

I have my own problems, as you can see! Fleur did manage to get a dig in by saying - "leave arguing to the two of them here. They enjoying it." She is the last person to be talking about anyone.

I already expressed my feelings about fleur and sienna, even though it was interpreted as being directed at someone else. They have accomplished the rare feat of uniting Rafa fans, Nole fans and Murray fans in agreement about their toxic presence on this site.

Fleur... just one advice... stop eating above keyboard or clean it... maybe someone will understand your gibberish then :)))

Fleur , 10/3/11 7:22 PM
"Someone here ment?on you 'hide beh?nd skirt of ed. It's true. Look. ednumbers posts stra?taway"

This presumably is your riposte because I drew attention to the co-incidence of you and Sienna posting simultaneously.

However there is a difference between consecutive posts at:
Sienna , 9/27/11 5:45 PM and Fleur , 9/27/11 5:45 PM
and consecutive posts at:
deuce , 10/3/11 8:21 AM and ed251137 , 10/3/11 1:54 PM

A time lapse of five hours 23 minutes to be exact. Hardly straight away as you stated.

Fleur: Spellchecker and Google translate would help too.

"I already expressed my feelings about fleur and sienna, even though it was interpreted as being directed at someone else."

diarrhea of the mouth continues. this was over and done with several weeks ago, to the extent that aan apololgy was demanded, and rehashed severl times after that, yet the innuendoes and sarcastic obscenities prevail. Hlow can one go? Lowest of the lowest, that's how low. somebody always has to get the last word in it sems, albeit it's olthers who are accused of so doing. It appears that this szite is a conduit for some people releasking their pent up frustrations.

My keyboard is messed up, @4:08 am, several typos, which I'll attempt to correct.

"I already expressed my feelings about fleur and sienna, even though it was interpreted as being directed at someone else."

Does the diarrhea of the mouth ever stop. Nop, it continues. That incident was over and done with several weeks ago, to the extent that an apololgy was forcibly demanded, and the matter was rehashed severl times after that, yet the innuendoes and sarcastic obscenities prevail. How low can one go? Lowest of the lowest, that's how low. smazing that it's others who are accused of having the last word, yet we see who's the one that gets the last word in, over and over, and over again, albeit it's others who are accused of so doing. It appears that this site is being used as a conduit for some people to releasing the muck that's dwelling inside of them, and it where they can release their pent up frustrations. Get a life, puhleez.

I come here to read tennis news, but one thing's for sure, there's this person who has to spew it's evil thoughts and mess up everything worth reading. It's beyond sick now.

ed, logical argument just doesn't work, I'm afraid. I gave up trying that weeks ago.
Anyway,back to your original question about our chances against "Fedups" Don't you worry all will tremble at the mere mention of our name...oops I mean MY name of course ;) BTW accidentally wrote a "c" back there in front of "back" must be my unconscious mind revealing what I really feel :)

one post... one correction of a post...and one completely fake post...
scoretrasher from 4:08 to 4:18... So the King of verbal (oral) diarrhea is continuing...
Go wash your mouths... or give as another sad story about roommate...

I'm not surprise you're ganging up with your friend NNY, and writing your garbage. about me. Just take an inventory of your comments and you'll see how much you love to attack me for your boy Novak. Of course you have to be on her side, coz who else will plea the faker's cause about his fake injuries? The diarrhea mouth also pertains to the foul stuff that comes out of your mouth.In fact, you're both like an amoeba that's parasitic and feeds off of healthy individuals. In essence, that's what sick organiszms do.

I come here to read the match reports and the results of the tournaments that are being played, and everytime all I see is the running of thed diarrhea mouths, e.g., yours and your friend's. You guys don't care about the tournaments that are being played, but just how much you can sling mud at others. have fun, coz it szeems that nastiness emitted from you is the only kind of fund you both understand and can identify with, except for persecuting Fed fans that are struggling to co-exist on this site, which isn't the easiest thing to do. Get a life of your olwn instead of sucking the blood out of the Fed posters, oh perfect one.

Man...don't BS us! Do you really believe in your crap! If you do... you are in some real problems...
You are coming here to read match reports... LOL... I bet you dont know which tournaments are actual now... :)
Your only inspiration here is to bring some negative energy about anyone... except your arrogant hero... you simply can't stand the fact that you idol is old... that his myth is gone...his aura faded and his privileges are melting coz there are some better guys out there... He will be out of big 3 in one month... and you are sick coz of it...
So you simply can't resist to spill all your frustrations on Nole and Rafa... and Muzza will be there ofc just wait 2,3 weeeks when he overpass you "I should have won" guy.
I have never saw one post from you about tennis.... about your roommate, yes... about your granddad, yes... about friend of your roommate ... yes.... but ABOUT tennis.... no way man!
I am really feeling sorry for you... lost soul. You are what you are...you can not change it. I can understand, you are trying on net to show yourself in different light... but it doesn't work. Even here you are bitter, lonesome, unpopular... like in real life. Sad...ah?
What was one of your pearls of wisdom here.... let me see... "If he plays in Beijing... exposure of Djokovic is complete" Now you are silenced... think that ppl here will forget. Atleast you could write apology now... that all posters here... can consider possibility that there might be some traces of normal person in you :))

"What was one of your pearls of wisdom here.... let me see... "If he plays in Beijing... exposure of Djokovic is complete" Now you are silenced... think that ppl here will forget."

Considering I didn't write the above, it was sienna, then it's obvious why I'm silent, and yes people will forget something that never happenend in the first place. However, I just hope you can come up for air now that you've got your foot firmly entrenched in your mouth and are gagging on it . Senior moments are a helluva bad thing aren't they? But, that usually happens to those who are so full of hate coz they only dwell on the hateful stuff.

If there weren't so much sarcasm and nastiness hurled my way, picking and fighting from some here, answering which bites, into my time, I'd be able to write more on the matches I'm watching. However, It's obvious most of you don't care about tennis when your idols aren't playing, so why would I bother mentioning anything. I don't see most of you commenting on any of the other threads about the matches when they are played by other players. As for you, your mission is to behave as filthy as you possibly can towards the Fed fans.

I don't need to come here to make myself appear as wonderful, coz, i don't know any of you. I leave that to those who like to earn kudos. For me, earning kudos from you and others like you is like an exercise in futility. Your opinions of me don't matter. One thing i kn ow for sure, I'm a lot more honest coz I'm not using other people's comments to make myself look saintly. I tell it like it is.

Don't feel sorry for me, coz I'm not a lost soul, as I have tons of friends. I feel very sorry for you though, coz you're not only suffering from diarrhea of the mouth, but Alzheimer's also. Why bother to blog if you can't remember who wrote what? Have a wonderful evening trying to recap the day's events, if you can do that. And, next time, get your facts straight, puhleez.

Lol... I am not in the mood to search now but I will find it:"Exposure of Djokovic is complete" is your sentence. You are not worthy of my time.
"I have tons of friends."...yeah... thats why you are on hundreds of sites about Nole :)
...strange you should be on Fed worshipper sites. But you probably are.
Talking with someone like you is not possible... Kudos!? ...for you.... LOOOL...
you have fleur and hyena for that. Poor soul...
You are only naive and honest fan here.... everyone else is baaaaad!!! This is so cheap...

Here you go gagger, I found it for you. You have now demonstrated to everyone not only do you have a nasty, filthy mouth, but you're also a liar, big time. FYI, show me the hundreds of sites that I post on about your god Nole, I'd like to see them, coz he's not worth my time. But, you won't be able to do so, as it's another lie, an d/or figment of your imagination. Tell me something, do you need to lie to prove a point? This is the second time you've accused me of something I didn't do. The last time you did that, when I showed the proof of your lie, you disappeared. What are you going to do now, may I ask? Cover your head with some tarred feathers?

Here's sienna's post:

"thank you bleck. The exposure of the Djoker is complete. Never there has been an Atp #1 who deliberately lost the match whilest faking injury. They really did not deserve this after all the support they gave him.
Djoker does not attracked any new fans because he is like this even in his homecountry they are starting to loose interest.

Sienna, 9/28/11 8:42 PM

I think you'll need some help with that big foot that's stuck in your mouth blocking your air passages. don't turn blue now, coz the color won't suit you.

OK seriously, if I created a site, maybe call it needtolitterwebsitesbyarguingaboutstupidandunimportantnontennisrelated crap.com, would you all pay me for it??? Maybe I could take the profits and buy you all plane tickets and you could meet each other.

scoretracker I am not scared to admit that I think Djoker is a fake #1.
I've also backed it up with facts an no fiction.

The POD is not fiction it is a fact. And I believe that total loser of a Tipsy is using ot also. How else did he ever win a ATP tourne? It is beoynd me that a total dickhead airhead and notorial loser can suddenly raise his game to win atp 250 tourneys. The same can be said about the sudden dominator(besides Fed)

It is al to simple but sometimes simplicity is the key. The Pod is being used and it has a bigger influence then blooddoping. VAMPIRES I call them and total lack of sportmanship.

OK...my bad, it's Sienna... sorry...but it still doesn't change a bit about you.
"The last time you did that, when I showed the proof of your lie"... woow...you took wrong medicament again:))
All our conflict started when you said load os BS about Nole's opponents... when I gave you comparison tableau with Fed's opponent it was you who disappeared LOL...
hyena.... "scoretracker I am not scared to admit that I think Djoker is a fake #1."
There are some things that normal person is ashamed and idiots are proud. Thank you for perfect demo.
...and now Tipsy is "dickhead" coz he had won the tournament :) You are so pathetic that my poor English is not enough to describe.
Better go and worry about next No4.... your fake psychopathic idol :)

Sienna, thanks for clarifying the accusation.s hurled my way.

@ts38, as long as you're not included in the conversation, then I don't think you should be concerned as to who argues with whom. I don't see the moderators complaining, unless you are a self-appointed moderator, hence, why not leave those of us who are indulging in senseles sand stupid arguments to do our thing, and you do yours, which is to ignore everything you don't see fit to read.. I don't see anyone telling you what you should or shouldn't write, albeit it most probablyh is senseless and stupid. BTW, I suppose you know where to find the scroll button on your keyboard, yes? Then , id' suggest you use it. I'm curious though, you've been posting here long enough to know these arguments are stupid and senseless, and way below your highly intelligent nobel peace prize mind, or maybe Eiinstein, which begs the question, why do you bother to read any of it? However, I suppose your curiosity gets the better of you, yes, or is it you love to read and then criticize? Be my guest.

Zare
I also included the fake#1 of being somewhat exactly!! the same. Bunch if cheaters they are.

Ilike to think Victor is clean and a nice guy, so youwould appreciate the fact that it is not a race thing.

I am also...not afraid to say that Fed is greatest catastrophe for tennis in history. Ralph Schumaher destroyed F1 with Ferrari and their connection with management.
Fed did same thing in tennis... Mr. President of players will never, never bite the hand that was feeding him... privileged him for few years...undeservedly kept him so high...
For me your idol is like Coke... Big Mac... over prized and nobody knows what is inside.
But luckily those days are gone now... Rafa brought passion and honor back to this sport... Novak gave the human face to tennis again and a lot of fun... Muzza brought drama and great expectation... so finally tennis is interesting.

Bitter & sore

Better to look at Fed in a way like he was Iphone already in an age where the mobile phones where like 5Kg. Actually he was like Iphone4S.

zare I thought you were a djokovic fan. Now I see you're a federer hater first and a djokovic (obssesed) fan second. It's sad to see that. You hate more federer than you like djokovic.
Guess haters will be haters.

scoretracker@9.44, come off it! I was having a laugh with ed and nadline about the accusation that we had multiple identities and you waded in and gave me a right little lecture @ 12.23am 9/30. Now you've got the cheek to tell ts38 to "scroll down" and say "you love to read and then criticise." Hmm, pot calling kettle here. How easy it is to dish out advice isn't it.

@deuce, thanks for answering my question to you about sosueme calling me paranoid, that was downright unmannerly, coz I asked in a very polite way.

FYI, don't tell me to come off anything, you're not my keeper. Your opinion of me doesn't matter, coz I don't survive on what others think, but I doubt the same can be said of you. FYI, it's not for you to decide whether I'm being cheeky or not. Perhaps I'll start showing you where your cheekiness begins, and ends, coz there are many instances here on this site of you doing that quite a lot. However, you get away with that by writing your one-liners which half of the time doesn't make sense, and you ensure you've got an army backing you, which is what I alluded to. In the instance you reference, it was a bunch of you having a good go at fleur and sienna, and I thought the ganging up was unfair.I wonder if it's done to you how you'd like it?

As for pot calling kettle, you should talk. You go balistic if anyone dares to mention anything albeit the truth, which you interpret to be unkind about Murray, but yet you wished for Fed to lose disguising your feelings and blaming your desires on Fleur. At the time, I thought how evil, and it was just your evil mind speaking out aloud, not anything Fleur said. I don't know how you others don 't see through your fakery when you openly state you don't want for there to be any more Fedal matches. That alone speaks volumes as to how much you dislike both of these guys, but you play a good game with the Rafafans.

Anyway, have fun jumping in with your support for ts38. He did it once before and I kept silent, but I felt it was necessary to say something now. I doubt you'd have kept silent even the first time. Perhaps you would like to think about that. Now, you'll have another friend on your side. I hope he's not a Fed nor Nadal fan, coz then you'll have to be careful about not wanting anymore Fedal matches, but then again, there's always shopping.

@bleck, the hate for Fed and his fans is very thick on this site, even though they like to turn it around and blame it on us. We don't have to provoke them, e.g., Nadline, they include Roger in everything. As the saying goes, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Wow, just wow...I have been away for a while and by reading your posts here I see you guys are gearing up for something BIG? And deuce, my alter ego, seems to have deserted me and now wishes rather to be rafaisthebest?! I am very much disappointed...all I can do is go back to the workshop in Cabul...I proved to be the best in the class and also made some life lasting friendships there, thank you very much...I was told in confidence that Federer, while on break, promised to pay us a visit. He showed great interest in the "how to expressly deal with sneaky depression" topic...:)

bleck... it's not hate... it's fact.
And every Fed's fan knows that... but ofc don't want to admit:)))
Draws... schedules... opponents... tournament by tournament...
Every guy....I mean EVERY guy from top ten would do the same with that kind management that he had.
Fed from 2004 to 2007 was pure enjoy to watch... after that favoring and pampering and public relations... and fans that thinks that after Fed's visit toilet don't stink :))

No scoretracker, this is why I read comments in the first place. To find something interesting or insightful from a different perspective....about tennis. Even the small bit you do talk about tennis is overshadowed by your volumes of script on why everyone except you is a complete moron. People like you come in and litter these websites and take away from my enjoyment of them. Just as tennistalk doesn't belong to me, it doesn't belong to you either and maybe, just maybe, users of this site who aren't involved in your stupid little squabbles don't want to have to sift through your 20 page essays on how much you don't need this place.

@ts38, I take it you're a Nadal fan who's biased, which is why you can't see the light.

I believe if you took the time to analyze why I have to write volumes of script as you put it, (I'm not the only one, who writes the volumes, some others are worse) you'd see that it is due to the fact that every time I have to defend myself against those who have an ax to grind, and won't let go. It puts a damper on trying to have a tennis discussion. I can't make a simple comment without being attacked, and even though the battle appears to be over, it really isn't, coz the sarcastic remarks still continue and are perpetuated on other threads. I saw some of those nasty remarks/innuendoes just a few hours ago, condemning Fed fans for not believing Novak's injury. Did it ever ever occur to you? that there's an underlying hatrated towards Fed fans, which makes everything tainted?

Anyway, it's niceof you to pass judgment on another when you are safe from those attacks., coz you're one of the majority. Do you think I like being attacked for my opinions and having to defend myself for every comment? I believe everyone has a right to their opinions, and it's not nice to read the sarcastic remarks being hurled my way for my opinions. Perhaps you'd prefer to see Fed fans being referred to as delusional and others being made fun of for no reason at all? I can't believe you don't see the name callikng toward the Fed fans. I doubt you'd understand, coz it seems the behavior of those who make fun of some of us and hurl accusations our way don't seem to bother you, because maybe you're oblivious. Tell me ts38, why don't you go after those who write volumes and pick on Fed fans for no reason at all.? Anyway, I have nothing more to say to you coz it appears you've drawn your conclusions and that's fine with me. Have a nice day. BTW, I don't believe I've ever referred to anyone as a moron, coz name calling is not my forte.I'm sure there will be many who will con gratulate you for your stance on how you perceive me to be. that's OK, I'm content with who I am, and public opinion on a blolgsite is immaterial to me.

Poor, poor, scoretracker, if I was new here and came across your above post, I would soon end up in tears and feeling sorry for you and all the Fed fans on this site...:(( But I have been here long enough to know... ARE YOU SERIOUS? You have got to be kidding...what attacks are you talking about?! It's always Fed fans putting down Rafa and provoking Rafa's fans reactions...I am more than convinced by now that Fed fans would be so lonely and bored if there were no Rafans around...you guys simply enjoy fighting with us...you feed from it...

scoretracker@12.08, another 20 pages of sanctimonious guff. How on earth do u manage it? ...That's a rhetorical question btw
natashao, lol! Am very sorry you have to go back to our boot camp for more improving workshops, but on the other hand, looking on the bright side, I'm sitting here counting all the money you owe me....;)

well, deuce, it's a lot of money, I know, given the number of recovery/training days spent...:) but haven't you heard of the debt forgiveness institute?...and considering the promotion and marketing I do for your boot camp all over the place I rightly believe I should be paid a high appearance fee instead...:))

@natasho, & deuce, it's always nice to see harmony among the masses.This is the type of ganging up I talk about. It's tons of you rafanatics and just a handful of fed fans.

@Natasho, you're another who must be blind and can't read . You won't see any attacks toward Fed fans, coz you engage in them yourself. Fed fans are subjected to tons of attacks on an hourly basis. Are you for real? But, what else can one expect from a misguided, biased rafanatic.

@deuce, thanks for NOT responding to the accusation you hurled at me several days ago. You've run true to form, and I'm not surprised that you won't answer, coz it didn't happen as yhou stated. You have the nerve to talk about me being sanctimonious, with your oh dear, oh dear, I'm gobsmacked nonsense, and your pretense of how gracious you are? lol. I hope you can count, coz I don't see 20 pages of sanctimonious guff anyplace that I've written. But, as per usual, you, just like others here, love to engage in exaggerations. Know what, what goes around comes around, I'll be laughing when you get yourself into a spider's web that you cannot unweave, and when your darling andy gets attacked. I'll have the last laugh.

scoretracker, just join the club...in fact, I don't think you have ever cheered for Rafa in any match and I have cheered for Fed tons of times...

@natashao, do you see me condemning Nadal for anything as opposed to how you Rafanatics condemn Fed? I dont. FYI, I said it right here on this site, during the USO, that I'd prefer to see Nadal win the USO and defend his title. That just goes to show how much you read.

scoretracker, sorry, I might have read it but did not memorize that fact...I will take a note now...if I only knew I would put you on the pedestal as my favorite Fed fan...:) There really are several on this site who I happen to like and agree with on some occasions...and to be honest, there were times I completely agreed with some of your posts, seriously...I just did not comment...so, we are not that different, you know...I am one of those Rafans who really appreciate and enjoy Fed's tennis...for me he has always been the true Maestro of the game...

scoretracker, sorry, I might have read it but did not memorize that fact...I will take a note now...if I only knew I would put you on the pedestal as my favorite Fed fan...:) There really are several that I happen to like and agree with on some occasions...and to be honest, there were times I completely agreed with some of your posts, seriously...I just did not comment...so, we are not that different, you know...I am one of those Rafans who really appreciate and enjoy Fed's tennis...for me he has always been the true Maestro of the game...

bleck... it's not hate... it's fact.
And every Fed's fan knows that... but ofc don't want to admit:)))
Draws... schedules... opponents... tournament by tournament...
Every guy....I mean EVERY guy from top ten would do the same with that kind management that he had.
Fed from 2004 to 2007 was pure enjoy to watch... after that favoring and pampering and public relations... and fans that thinks that after Fed's visit toilet don't stink :))
zare, 10/7/11 12:38 PM

loll zare... why you bring things down to toilet level? and you don?t stick to novak's? who breaks rackets, who swears in serb langage, who imitrates players, who plays with guns. Not a fair and good no.1, and what about Pod?.

He is not a good roll moodle for anyone. Federer is the best No.1 we ever see and will be always. I think you need to move to novak?s wedding and may beyou can walk afterwards?

Fed is stil pure joy to watch 2008-2011.

2012-2015, we hope.

zare, you talk no.4 with such hate? who cares? how long novak no. 3? AND how long he no.4? count the years... compare to Federer and dream away on a sum

mer bay. k?

sorry about the double posts...have no idea what happened...

It's quite an artform to translate what Fleur is really trying to say.

'good roll moodle' I was trying to work out what Chinese spring rolls and noodles had to do with tennis. lol.

I know English is not your first language which is why I have suggested you write in your own language and then use an on-line translation service before posting your comments.

ha-ha...ed, you are hilarious...:))

i'll try ed.

Perhaps you could get personalty transplant operat?on?.

"personalty"...do you even take a look at your post be4 you hit enter???

Fleur, Don't get disheartened by the personal remarks people are making.
Just keep posting and defending our Roger because we are greatly outnumbered here on TT.
I read what you write and I totally understand it as do the other posters I believe.

LOL scoretracker pulling the "you're a Nadal fan" card on me. holdserve and rafaisthebest pegged me as a delusional Federer fan. What is it with you guys thinking that when I call out your bullsht I'm automatically a fan of the other guy and it has nothing to do with my annoyance from you??? Sorry but I'm not a Nadal fan. If you don't think I've ever gotten into it with a Nadal-fan then you've obviously never noticed. In over a year I haven't seen anyone else write such massive volumes of text that have nothing to do with tennis.
If you feel you have to defend yourself for every little thing what does it say about you taking so seriously the opinions of a bunch of strangers on the internet, most of whom live thousands of miles away and all of which you'll never meet?

Interesting that while Federer still gets those TV spots for luxury goods and Nadal features on billboards all over the planet that Djokovic is being ignored by sponsors as he's virtually unmarketable outside Serbia...

The Djok?s on the sponsors
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2011/09/marketing- tennis-stars

@ts38: "over a year I haven't seen anyone else write such massive volumes of text that have nothing to do with tennis."

You're exaggerating bnig time, and I'm sure you know it, but you need to reinforce what you feel is not to your liking. That's OK with me, you can live in your mmake-believe mind-set, and I'm not bothered by it. I don't need to prove anything to youy. It's obvious you've not been reading much coz they're many here who write more than I do, especially the ones who attack me, and it's just personality related., nothing else that they rant about. my posts eem long because I qujote other people's post, since some have bad recall, and don't remember what they say. I like to refresh their memories coz it's the only way to prove a point.I guess you didn't notice that either did you?

I'll reiterate, if you don't like what I write then don't read. I've stopped reading certain posters input, and I'd suggest you do the same with mine. All I can say, is that you just don't get the whole picture and are being selectiveas to who you call out. That's OK with me, coz I don't need your approval on anything. FYI, I don't see anything you write that's thought evoking and would spark a discussion. consider that little bit.

" If you feel you have to defend yourself for every little thing what does it say about you taking so seriously the opinions of a bunch of strangers on the internet, most of whom live thousands of miles away and all of which you'll never meet?"

Tell that to those who attack me and request apologies and what not. They don't like to be ignored. If I ignore them and let them get the last word in, that doesn't work, they repeat it on the other threads when I post. It's obvious you're a poor judge of what's going one here at times. But, that's your problem, not mine. Try paying some more attention to the eulogies that's written here. No more from me to you.

That is so good you said this bleck. Fleur is giant amongst midgets.
She takes them on no matter what they bring to her. She withstands all the hatred and foul remakrs by them all and is a treasure for this site.

Do you guys have a life outside tennis? Pathetic fools!

If they weren't so sick the exchanges between, in particular Sienna and Fleur, would be hilarious. I'd be fascinated to know what the pyschologists who study the behaviour of blogging would make of them.

Sienna: 'She (Fleur) is a treasure for this site'. Trying telling that to Cheryl and Ricky. I doubt very much they would agree with you.

Phoenix: It's not like they are even discussing tennis.

I hope you're done arguing with me. Now if only you'd be done arguing with everybody else too...

ts38,

If you have been reading, then you know that will never happed! :)

Oops! Sorry, meant to say that will never happen!

phoenix,

The short answer to your question is NO!

I won't answer you nor the troublemaker who's angling to start something else.

forgot to add, you must be delusional big time. did I come picking on you? I think you picked on me, and I defended myself. Hence, how is it that I'm the one arguingwith you? I think it's the other way around. Somebody needs a moral compass.

NNY: Hang cool. Save your energies for the match :-)

ed,

Thanks! Good advice! It's good advice!

And thank you for your comment on that other thread and a great suggestion! :)

Oh boo-hoo, you're just reacting to my posts??? Who called who's name first? I don't believe I ever addressed you directly, scoretracker, until you started addressing me. Go look at the comments, all of them. Where did I single you out??? Oh, that's right, I didn't. My comments were general, the Nadanino's have their part this crap too. Though apparently it was you who JUST KNEW how big of an offender you are that I just HAD to be addressing only you, right? You poor victim, even when people aren't addressing you directly you're still defensive.

Man arguing like this is addicting. Now I understand why it's so easy to lull into these pointless loops. Sorry everybody, I'm not gonna become that guy...

You wrote your comment just after mine to zare, so I naturally thought you were referring to me, mea culpa, It's a simple mistake that's all. Glad to hear the Nadal fans were part of it too, except that one of them does not think so. FYI, I'm not a victim, and I don't want to be one, I'm not the one who feels that the world is against them. I supose I was being defensive coz I was saturated with the nonsense coming my way from 3 people, and I was being blamed for posts I didn't write. Ha ha, you'd be very lucky if you were me, that's a fact. Peace

^^ :D :D I'm trolling, yes I am.

Poor Federer, he is about to lose his no. 3 ranking. Of course it doesn't make much difference for the draws as seeds 3 and 4 have equivalent positions. But if David Ferrer keeps doing well, Federer may soon fall to No. 5 in which case he would have to worry.

It's Fed time!

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/7205355/tennis-roger-fed erer -back-fine-form

wishful thinking holdserve. Roger is going to be No.2 sooner than later

How do you know it will be sooner? He may never get to no.2 for all you know! There are still matches to be played.

As per TC top 100 Tennis players list ....

Top 10

10. King
9. Evert
8. Court
7. Borg
6. Nadal
5. Sampras
4. Navratilova
3. Graf
2. Laver
1. Federer

Gr8 to see loads of women in that list as these days they get so much stick.

The predictions that Roger would drop out of the top 3, or even top 4 that were made last year make me laugh. Who's laughing now, Fed haters? Roger continues to be the oldest man left in the draw. He may or may not make it to no. 2, but at 30 years old, should we really be expecting him to? It already says a lot that he's still in the top 3 at his age, but to still challenge guys who are in their prime and who are 5-6 years younger than him? That's a pretty sick achievement for an old has-been if you ask me. You haters stick to hoping for Fed to retire or for his ranking to plummet. I'll continue to enjoy his tennis for as long as he keeps playing whether he's ranked no. 1 or ranked no. 1000.

Well wasn't Agassi in the top three or top five when he was past thirty years old, and competing with guys who were ten years younger (Fed, Roddick) and winning slams too? Fed is not the only one playing well at age 30. Don't feel that much Fed hates here, more the Rafa hates by some fanatical Fed supporters.

Oldest in Top 5 as per year end ranking
Player Year Age
1 Rod Laver 1974 36y 4m
2 Jimmy Connors 1987 35y 3m
3 Andre Agassi 2003 33y 7m
4 Arthur Ashe 1975 32y 5m
5 Ivan Lendl 1991 31y 9m
6 John McEnroe 1989 30y 9m
7 John Newcombe 1974 30y 6m
8 Ilie Nastase 1976 30y 4m
9 Roger Federer 2011 30y 4m
10 Guillermo Vilas 1982 30y 3m

@luckystar
So someone saying that "Fed is greatest catastrophe for tennis in history" is not a statement of hate? That is just one of the worst comments I've seen about any tennis player. Any fan of tennis would know that Fed took tennis to another level just as Nadal did, and Djokovic did after.

Also, regarding Andre Agassi. Yes, it is true that Agassi was ranked in the top 5 and won Slams after age 30. He even became the oldest no. 1 in tennis history at 32 or 33 years old in 2003. But you honestly can't compare the level of competition in 2000-2003 to now. 2000-2003 is even weaker than the 2004-2007 era. Agassi won the 2001 and 2003 Australian Opens, but the draws opened up for him in a way that is inconceivable now. Agassi didn't have to face a SINGLE top 10 player in the 2001 Australian Open. He faced unseeded Martin in the QFs, 12th seed Rafter in the SFs and 15th seed Clement in the F. Clement in the F?! That would never happen in the current era. The same applies to the 2003 Australian Open. Agassi didn't have to face a single top 10 opponent to win the title. He faced 12th seed Grosjean in the QFs, UNSEEDED Ferreira in the SFs and 31st seed Schuttler in the F.

Now, are you honestly telling me that if Roger were given the same kind of draws, he wouldn't win a Slam? Agassi never had two all time greats like Nadal and Djokovic ahead of him in every single Slam if he wanted to win. Roger does. Would Agassi have won Slams after 30 if he had to contend with Nadal and Djokovic back to back? Don't get me wrong, Agassi is up there with some of the greatest ever, but he was lucky to have turned 30 in the time that he did in the same way that Roger was lucky to have his prime years in 2004-2007. But now, Roger is UNLUCKY to have turned 30 in a time where Djokovic and Nadal are gobbling up every single Slam. So you can't just look at the numbers and statistics, in my opinion. You also have to look at WHO they beat. That's why what Roger is doing is pretty sick in my mind. He's doing it with two GOATS dominating the field and keeping a stranglehold on the Slams. He may not be the best, but he is right up there competing with all-time greats who are 5-6 years younger than him and always manages to keep himself in the conversation.

Baldomir, so do you think Fed was lucky that he dominated during 2004-2007 when the other two all time greats in the making, Rafa and Nole, were just teenagers or barely out of their teens? How can you say that Fed is unlucky now, when he has all the luck back during 2004-2007. Contrast that to Rafa, in his teens, he has to compete with Fed in his prime; now when he himself is in his prime, he has to compete with another all time great who's also in his prime. The fact that Rafa can win ten slams and still counting, says something about Rafa himself, that whether its pre prime or in his prime, he's still good enough to win slams.

Now back to Agassi, he was still competitive and reached the USO final, in 2004 I think, playing against Fed. How old was Agassi then? Now in 2003, when he was 33?, he was right up there with the likes of Fed, Roddick and Ferrero, in terms of winning slams and staying in the top ten. Those guys were ten to eleven years younger than him. Fed is 30 going to 31, not 33, and right now, he managed only one slam final in two years, and he was not only beaten by Rafa and Nole in the slams, but the likes of Sod, Berdych and Tsonga. Are Sod, Berdych and Tsonga comparable to Fed, Roddick and Ferrero of 2003? I don't know the answer. So to me you have to give Agassi some credit, for he still could compete with guys ten to eleven years his junior, some of whom had won one or two slams already (Hewitt and Safin) and some were winning slams along side Agassi himself in 2003.

Hi luckystar. I don't think I ever mentioned Rafa in a negative light, so I don't know why you're trying to defend him. And yes, Fed was a bit fortunate to have dominated 2004-2007. The competition in 2004-2007 was definitely not as tight as 2008 onwards, but I don't think anyone could have just waltzed in and dominated everything. Rafa is an all time great, I don't think I ever disputed that, and has always been good enough to win Slams. I don't think that Fed was much of a roadblock for Rafa however, since Rafa always dominated Fed from day 1. Even though their skill level is close to equal Fed was simply too easy for Rafa because of the matchup. I remember that a 17 year old Rafa who didn't know how to play on hard courts could already beat a 22 year old Fed in his prime, and the best HC player at the time.

Agassi was right in there in terms of winning Slams with Ferrero, Fed and Roddick, but perhaps you missed my point about the draw opening up for Agassi. Agassi didn't have to face any top 10 players to win any of his Slams after the age of 30. In short, he didn't have to beat Ferrero, or Federer or Roddick to win his Slams. Contrast this to Federer, who will most likely have to beat Djokovic and Nadal back to back in order to win a Slam. Agassi never had to deal with this. Roddick and Ferrero were nowhere near as good as Nadal and Djokovic. Even then, Agassi needed the draw to open up for him to win a Slam. Answer this question. If Federer did not have to face a top 10 player like Agassi, do you think he is incapable of winning a Slam? Their successes differ because of the difference in the level of competition. Transfer a 30 year old Federer to 2001-2003, and I have no doubt he would have the same amount of success at the very least.

Also, you mention that Federer has been beaten by Sod, Berdych and Tsonga, but this has been the exception rather than the rule. Those guys played the match of their lives to beat Fed, and never repeated the same success. Sod never beat Fed again after the 2010 FO victory. Berdych has had some success against Fed, but they haven't met in a Slam again so we don't know, but Fed won their most recent meeting in straight sets. And Tsonga? He went on a 4 match losing streak to Roger including a straight sets loss at the 2011 US Open. More often than not it takes either Nadal or Djokovic to take Roger down. After the two freak QF losses in 2010, Federer has lost to either Nadal or Djokovic in 5 out of the last 6 Slams.

I do give Agassi credit for his two Slam victories in 2001 and 2003, but winning a Slam in 2001-2003 was much easier than winning a Slam in 2010-2012. I'm sure you'll agree with me on that. Agassi had to beat the 15th and 31st seeds in GS finals . Roger has to contend with the world no. 1 or the world no. 2. There's a huge difference.

Fine if you said the 2003 competition was not as tough as that of the current era but
I disagree about Berdych and Tsonga. Both did beat Fed at least once or twice after their slam wins over Fed, and I expect them to beat Fed more often if they meet during this year. Also, when Agassi was 29 or 30, he did win slams beating the top ten, even the top two players then, something Fed couldn't do after the AO 2010. IMO, Fed was better during his prime but Agassi was better in his thirties. Maybe that has something to do with their competitors during their prime and post prime years?

Berdych beat Federer in 2011 Cincinatti while Tsonga beat him in 2011 Canadian Open. Still, it's an entirely different proposition to beat Federer in a Slam. I'm not saying these guys aren't capable of beating Federer in a Slam, but it usually takes a supreme effort from them. My point really is that Federer losing to these guys is the exception rather than the rule. Almost all of Federer's Slam losses come from Nadal or Djokovic.

Yes, when Agassi was 29 or 30, he won the 1999 French Open, the 1999 US Open and the 2000 Australian Open. That is very much a spectacular achievement, and all credit should go to Agassi for this. But still, I don't think the competition he faced was as tough as going through Nadal and Djokovic back to back. In that run, he beat Kafelnikov twice, once as the no. 2 seed and once as the no. 3 seed, and he beat Sampras once who was the no. 3 seed. What you'll notice is that these players, while no doubt are great, are players from Agassi's generation. The no. 1 and no. 2 positions were still held by the previous generation, so Agassi didn't have to contend with young in prime players in Grand Slam semis and finals. Let me ask you a question. Do you think 30 year old Agassi can deal with Djokovic and Nadal better than 30 year old Federer?

I agree that Agassi's and Federer's performance has something to do with their competitors during their prime and post prime years. During Agassi's prime, he was forever overshadowed by Sampras. Sampras dominated most of the 90s. Hence, his 6 consecutive years as year end no. 1. Agassi was never able to beat Sampras at Wimbledon or the US Open. Not to mention that Agassi spent a lot of time MIA due to either injury, or simply because he didn't dedicate himself enough to tennis. In contrast, Federer didn't really have a true rival to contend with in his prime years. He was owned everyone from his generation and only had problems against Nadal on clay. It was post prime that Agassi flourished and Federer ran into a roadblock. Agassi won 5 of his 8 Slams during his post prime years. IMO, he was able to take advantage of a declining Sampras who started to lose motivation towards his later years on the tour. There was also a lack of a truly great player from the younger generation until Federer came along in 2003. This is why 2000-2003 is seen by some people as the transition period from the Sampras/Agassi era to the Federer era. Once Federer came into his own in 2003, Agassi lost to him 8 consecutive times until he finally retired. While Federer completely dominated his prime years in 2004-2007, I think it evened out during his post prime years from 2008 onwards. He had to deal with not one, but two all time greats who he would ALWAYS have to face in the semis or finals of Slams. In this period, Federer went 0-5 against Nadal and 3-4 against Djokovic in Slam matches. This is why many people say that Federer will never win another Slam, because he would have to beat Nadal and Djokovic back to back. The chances of that happening are indeed very very slim.

You cannot assume that a thirty yo Agassi would fare worst than Fed at 30, against Rafa or Nole. Neither can you assume that Fed at 30 would fare better than Agassi against his opponents during 1999-2001. Didn't Agassi reach the USO final in 2005, at age 35? That means he's still competitive and good enough to go all the way tothe final at age 35! We have to wait and see whether Fed can reach a slam final at that age, by then Rafa and Nole will be 29-30 yo, and Fed will most probably have to beat guys ten years his junior to do so, something like want Agassi had done in 2005.

I know this is off topic, but many Rafa fans have made assumptions that had Fed been the same age as Nadal and Djokovic, he would have less Slams. You are right however, that one cannot make assumptions. It is simply my firm belief that had Agassi contended with Rafa or Nole, he would not have been as successful in his 30s. BTW, you didn't answer my question. Do you think 30 year old Agassi can deal with Djokovic and Nadal better than 30 year old Federer? I simply want to hear your opinion.

I thought I answered that question in my above post? You can't assume that Agassi would fare worse than Fed against Rafa and Nole, that means, I believe Agasssi could be as good as Fed. Fed wasn't that brilliant in 2011, until the indoor hard court season. His 2011 kind of up and down. His 2010 was slightly better in winning one slam, but didn't fare that well in the rest of the slams and as usual he always shines during the indoor season.

I believe Agassi, like Fed, may have made all those semifinals and being stopped by either Rafa or Nole. Agassi, like Fed, may have problems with Rafa, Nole and Murray, but like Fed, he may be able to handle the rest of the top ten. That's my take.

Understandable. Agassi did play some fantastic tennis in his later years, but I still maintain that the competition he faced had a lot to do with it. In the end you are right that we cannot assume or speculate on what might have happened and we are left with what actually did happened. Let us agree to disagree. It was nice having this discussion with you!